[gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Fri Dec 23 00:30:46 UTC 2011
I wonder if Google looks different under IE 7 than it does under IE 8 or 9?
We're still using IE 7 at work and I see checkboxes and radio buttons on the
preferences page but the dreaded nonaccessible sliders under IE 8 and 9 on
this machine at home.
Wonder if there's a way to spoof Google into thinking I'm running IE 7?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:10 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible
You are correct that people should be careful before asserting that
something is not, or is accessible. However, unless I misunderstand, your
message seems to imply they are wrong in this instance, which isn't
necessarily so. The problems aren't necessarily directly because of the new
layout -- although, they are probably one of the changes this new layout
brought about.
Apparently Google is moving to make all its sites, Google itself, gmail,
Google plus etc., look the same. The problem some of us had was with
controls that were brought up when you went to adjust options. They were
inaccessible sliders used to adjust percentages.
Everybody should remember that complex sites like Google are distributed,
that is they are sent out from different locations, so everybody may not see
the same thing, at the same time. Sometimes updates are phased in over
time. Secondly, Google depending on whether or not you previously visited,
what you have searched for, what things you might be registered for, and
probably other things I don't know you about may show you different versions
of the same screens. This in part accounts why people see different things
and/or have different experiences. So don't assume somebody else is
necessarily wrong, or write when they say so and so.
Dave
At 03:57 PM 12/20/2011, you wrote:
>Hey,
>
>Besides you all lost me I have not noticed a huge change in google's
>website besides the edit boxs when you use the website for surching.
>
>I do not mind that people say or claim that things are not accessible
>but, please please make sure you ask people before you say things on
>this NFB mailing list. There is however a new layout to google that
>they are or have already rolled out. graphicly its much bigger and
>white on red buttens Some screen reader users will see the change with
>screen readers. Another heads up is that youtube is getting a new GUI .
>So my advice is to start playing around with google. It has a lot of
>good things need to get use to the new GUI as with new things comes new
>user interfaces. Quick fact windows 8 is out for eaither develper or
>beta release. Have some new technology and some things that people at
>FS are going to have to overcome. Maybe they have already I do not
>know, but I do know that JAWS 13 is out at this time. I know for sure
>it is going to be a least a little change from windows 7. I tested the
>windows 8 but, was not impressed with it. That is just my thought on it
>make sure you ask around thoughts do vary on it quite a bit. Wish you
>luck on your widows learning along with Google.
>On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Rose Combs <rosecombs at q.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wheat ever was accessible labs, the page I have used for several years.
> >
> >
> > Rose Combs
> > rosecombs at Q.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of GREGORY ROSENBERG
> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:29 PM
> > To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
> > List
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] [gua-talk] Google Search Settings Page No
> > Longer Accessible
> >
> > Rose,
> >
> > Are you speaking of a different page other than
> > http://www.google.com/accessibility/
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Rose Combs wrote:
> >
> > > My question is why should we have to keep changing modes, using
> > > different cursors to accomplish something that a sighted person
> > > can do with a mouse in a nanosecond.
> > >
> > > I had used the Accessible Google page at work for years, and now
> > > suddenly it is gone and now when I do a search I have so much
> > > garbage to get through before I find my results that it is hardly
> > > worth it. I just want my simple search and simple results pages,
> > > especially at work where I am generally searching for medical
> > > equipment or medications, cancer trials etc. I don't want ads, I
> > > don't want to have to wade through over half a page of junk to
> > > find 10 results that because I don't know how to spell what I am
> > > looking for, why else would I be looking, discover that what I got
> > > were people's you-tube pages or blogs when what I want is a
> > > manufacturer site or a drug store
> > site.
> > >
> > > For that alone I am upset with Google for doing away with the
> > > accessible page. At home I don't care usually but at work I need
> > > to be fast and true, I don't have time to look through junk, not
> > > with the production standers they push out, I cannot spend 15
> > > minutes or more looking for something and with Accessible Google,
> > > I never did, less than
> > two or three usually.
> > >
> > > I still use it, but if I found something with as much going for it
> > > that was a simple interface I'd be using it for work at least.
> > >
> > > Why the heck did they take it away is what I want to know.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rose Combs
> > > rosecombs at Q.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:30 PM
> > > To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
> > > List
> > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer
> > > Accessible
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the reminder about hos these work. With Window-Eyes
> > > and Internet Explorer 8, I turned browse mode off and then on
> > > after pressing ENTER on Options, and they then appeared. I also
> > > found the "slider" that changes the number of results shown. I
> > > routed the Window-Eyes mouse pointer to the slider and then
> > > pressed right arrow until I got to the number I wanted and then
> > > clicked on it to make the change. The predictive search can also be
turned off on this page.
> > >
> > > This is the kind of thing that makes our lives complicated. This
> > > is certainly less convenient, and I find myself really wondering
> > > what has been gained. Besides screen readers, I don't think these
> > > sliders can be manipulated from the keyboard, although I need to
> > > investigate that
> > more.
> > > Yet, because of how they work, it probably would not be that hard
> > > to develop Window-Eyes apps or JFW scripts to make this easier to
handle.
> > > If these are new controls that are pretty common, expecting our
> > > screen readers to handle them is not unreasonable. If they are
> > > controls specific only to certain Google pages, then it seems less
> > > reasonable in that screen readers can't keep up with every control
> > > anyone can think of even if scripting is possible. This is
> > > definitely a gray area in some ways, and I would also like to hear
> > > more what Google has to say about these before making the kinds of
> > > claims some are making here. Whether we like it or not, some of
> > > the problem is that the web has changed faster than screen readers
> > > can keep up but there have been efforts to make new constructs
> > > accessible. We just don't know for certain at this point what is
> > > involved here. Those having trouble with the search page should
> > > go to this page, find the predictive search slider, route the
> > > mouse or "JAWS cursor" to it and click on OFF. I found that I had
> > > to clidk on the Save button with the mouse rather than the SPACE BAR
as well, but possibly ENTER would have worked.
> > I don't know for sure.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Jacobson
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:47:10 -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> > >
> > >> I did some experimentation this morning and, as I suspected,
> > >> things aren't
> > > quite as simple and cut-and-
> > > dried as most on this list are painting them. In particular, those
> > > who are fulminating against Google should pay close attention to
> > > the below as it illustrates perfectly why caution is in order and
> > > why venting one's spleen because something is supposedly not
> > > accessible may, in fact, be either operator error or the inability
> > > of one's screen-reading technology to handle a perfectly
> > > legitimate web construct.
> > >
> > >> Using JAWS 12 and IE7 from my work computer, I saw what seemed to
> > >> me a
> > > "normal" Google search page.
> > > Below the "Search" and "I'm Feeling Lucky" buttons was an "Options"
link.
> > > JAWS 12 showed it as a link.
> > > As Steve says below, clicking on the link seems to accomplish nothing.
> > > However, this is not the case. If
> > > one arrows down after hitting the "Options" link, one finds that
> > > the page has expanded to include a bunch of new links including
> > > one to go to SPreferences and thence to earch Settings where there
> > > are constructs to set all the parameters we're used to.
> > >
> > >> I haven't checked this at home with JAWS 13 and IE8 yet but I
> > >> know that
> > > this "Options" construct below
> > > the search says "Has pop-up" which presumably means that clicking
> > > on it (hitting ENTER) expands the page as described above. I'll
> > > test this later today when I'm home.
> > >
> > >> So before blaming everyone and everything, it's always a good
> > >> idea to ask
> > > lots of questions and
> > > experiment a bit and always be ready to be adaptable and
> > > acknowledge that something new (but not necessarily inaccessible) is
going on.
> > >
> > >> Incidentally, anyone who has searched Microsoft's security pages
> > >> for
> > > product bulletins will have
> > > encountered this "pop-up" construct as it's been around all 2011.
> > >
> > >> Mike Freeman
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:09, "Steve Jacobson"
> > >> <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> I'm a bit confused here. I see that there are differences on
> > >>> the search
> > > page of Google and that
> > > there
> > >>> is no "screen reader" link, but I am not noticing any real
> > >>> differences in
> > > the search. Am I missing
> > >>> something?
> > >>>
> > >>> I am not able to find a link to get to the search options, though.
> > >>> There
> > > is an "options" link that
> > > for
> > >>> me does not seem to do anything. From what I have read, I
> > >>> understand
> > > that there are changes there
> > > that
> > >>> are not good but am wondering how people are getting there.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve Jacobson
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:02:28 -0800, hawkeye wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have had sighted assistance on this. This is no line to
> > >>>> check for screenreaders. There once was but there isn't now.
> > >>>> Been to the start
> > > up
> > >>>> page, been to the homesite, there is no line for screenreaders.
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > >>>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > On
> > >>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:29 PM
> > >>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk
> > >>>> Mailing List
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer
> > >>>> Accessible
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> This is all well and good if all you want to do is turn off
> > >>>> Google
> > > Instant.
> > >>>> But what if you want to change the number of search results per
> > >>>> page
> > > from
> > >>>> the default of 10 to 20 or 50? Or specify that each search
> > >>>> result opens
> > > in
> > >>>> a new browser window? Apparently, there is no longer any way
> > >>>> to
> > > accomplish
> > >>>> this.
> > >>>
> > >>>> Gerald
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> > >>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk
> Mailing List"
> >
> > >>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:10 PM
> > >
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