[gui-talk] did anyone see this coming?

Thu Aug 18 04:32:07 UTC 2011

Oh, I have to explain that to sighted people all the time, and it gets me 
crazy!  "You said "watch" I thought you couldn't see!"  And they put on this 
"I've been cheated" whiny tone of voice.  So when you explain to them that 
you are just saying what everybody else says, because there is a picture, 
even though you can't see it, some of them get really picky and technical 
about it and say that we have to not say we are watching TV. if we can't 
physically see it.  Great big disgusted sigh!  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:12 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] did anyone see this coming?

Mark, you are, I think, missing the point which Mike and I are making here. 
I have seen quite a few instances where blind people have stated on lists 
that they do this sort of thing and can get away with it because they're 
blind.  I don't care whether you steal from a physical store or the 
internet.  It's the same sin.  It's still  wrong.  And that applies whether 
you are blind or sighted.  As for the idea of a blind person not being able 
to watch a movie or film, man, come on now.  Just who do you suppose you're 
kidding?  Blind people watch TV all the time.  It just gets me going the way 
some blind people say "I listened to TV".  Why change your language just 
because you're blind?  That's just plain sophistry big time.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On Aug 17, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

> Ray,
>
> Many people, including plenty of sighted people, pirate copyrighted 
> materials everyday, and they do it for a variety of reasons.  Unless there 
> is some evidence that blind people do this, on average, more than the 
> general population, something I very much doubt, then such comments about 
> blind people amount to nothing more than the same prejudice and 
> stereotyping that organizations like the NFB are trying to eliminate.
>
> Besides, both you and Mike seem to have missed the point.  Both the blog 
> post and the article linked to suggests that this person didn't actually 
> pirate the movie.  Why? Well, of course it's because blind people can't 
> watch movies, especially not pornographic ones.
>
> The original article is about how over-zealous content producers are going 
> after pirates with such abandon that even innocent people, such as a blind 
> man who, according to the article, is physically incapable of watching any 
> film, are being swept up in these efforts.
>
> The man himself says his movie watching ability is non-existent.  So the 
> point is *not* that the poor blind person should get a free pass because 
> he is blind, but that blind people can't watch movies, so they couldn't 
> possibly be guilty of pirating.
>
> Marc
> On 2011-08-17, at 1:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> My own thoughts exactly.  This is quite a big bone I have to pick with 
>> some blind people who; to speak frankly, feel that their being blind 
>> excuses them from law breaking.  it does not.  Just because one is blind 
>> does not mean that one can or should be able to illegally obtain copy 
>> righted material.  Some blind people whom I have run across in my time on 
>> various lists posit that they have the right to break the law and get 
>> copy righted material all they want.  Yes, this includes keys to JAWS and 
>> Window-eyes also.  Some blind people are so brazen, they actually come 
>> right out and ask for license keys to screen reading software which under 
>> normal circumstances would cost them at least $1000.00.  I suspect that 
>> with these blind people, they feel like they have gotten such a raw deal 
>> from the rest of the world that the world owes them everything for free 
>> just because they are blind.  when ever I have raised this point with 
>> them they go ape and you would not believe the things they
say.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> The dude should feel honored for not being excused because of his 
>>> blindness!
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 9:42, "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman at dhs.gov> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anti-Piracy Lawyers Accuse Blind Man of Downloading Films
>>>> <http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/16/2346248/Anti-Piracy-Lawyers-Accu
>>>> se-Blind-Man-of-Downloading-Films>  237
>>>>
>>>> Posted by Soulskill <mailto:soulskillatslashdotdotorg>  on Tuesday
>>>> August 16, @10:23PM
>>>> from the you-wouldn't-download-a-seeing-eye-dog dept.
>>>> souravzzz <http://souravchakraborty.co.nr/>  writes "As the
>>>> mass-lawsuits against BitTorrent users in the United States drag on,
>>>> detail on the collateral damage this extortion-like scheme is costing
>>>> becomes clear. It is likely that thousands of people have been
>>>> wrongfully accused of sharing copyrighted material, yet they see no
>>>> other option than to pay up. One of the cases that stands out is that 
>>>> of
>>>> a California man who's incapable of watching the adult film he is
>>>> accused of sharing
>>>> <http://www.seattleweekly.com/2011-08-10/news/porn-piracy-bittorrent/>
>>>> because he is legally blind."
>>>>
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