[gui-talk] gui-talk Digest, Vol 77, Issue 2
William and Bernadette Jacobs
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Thu Sep 2 17:54:44 UTC 2010
Keep telling you guys that YAHOO is nothing but trouble! So, anyone here
doesn't understand something about when someone says T R O U B L E?
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> 1. Computer museum? (chris hallsworth)
> 2. Fwd: GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen Readers
> Discussion Panel Questions (Steve Pattison)
> 3. Mobile Speak and Windows Phone 7 (Code Factory News (no reply))
> 4. Re: Computer museum? (Mike Freeman)
> 5. PDF's; Empty Document (Susan Tabor)
> 6. Re: Computer museum? (Doug Lee)
> 7. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (Mike Freeman)
> 8. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (Dave Marthouse)
> 9. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (qubit)
> 10. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (qubit)
> 11. Re: Computer museum? (Mike Freeman)
> 12. Re: Computer museum? (Mike Freeman)
> 13. Open Book Question (Susan Tabor)
> 14. Re: Computer museum? (Dave Marthouse)
> 15. Good Reads confusingto me (Joel Deutsch)
> 16. Good Reads story gets weirder yet` (Joel Deutsch)
> 17. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (Ray Foret Jr)
> 18. Mctwit (Heewon Chun)
> 19. Re: Mctwit (Ryan Perdue)
> 20. Re: Computer museum? (George and Pamela Dominguez)
> 21. Re: PDF's; Empty Document (Rasmussen, Lloyd)
> 22. Merging MP3 Files (Steve Pattison)
> 23. What's New in JAWS 12 Beta (Steve Pattison)
> 24. Re: Computer museum? (Gerardo Corripio)
> 25. getting critical (qubit)
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> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:04:07 +0100
> From: chris hallsworth <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
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> Hello all!
> what was your favourite operating system in the history of computing?
> Also what about software? My favourite operating system in the history
> of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using JAWS as my screen
> reader. My favourite software was a product by PowerQuest called Second
> Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers having that preinstalled on their
> old machines?) I certainly did and it was brilliant! The program is
> basically System Restore but for data as well as system. What Second
> Chance did was created "checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then
> restore individual files and folders, or even an entire system, to that
> particular checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint
> either after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a
> drive to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
> did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way back
> then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy disk? This
> is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file jfw.cps was backed
> up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it. So of course when you
> restored an entire system to an earlier checkpoint you lost
> authorization in the process. But apart from that it was brilliant! How
> I wish they'd brought it back to make it work for Windows 7!
>
> --
> Sent using Thunderbird
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>
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> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:57:17 +1000
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members
> <Members at bcacug.org>, VIP-L <vip-l at freelists.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen
> Readers Discussion Panel Questions
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> GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen Readers Discussion Panel
> Questions
> From: marc at gwmicro.com
> To: gw-info at gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
> Earlier this summer, the Information Access Committee invited GW Micro,
> Freedom Scientific, Serotek, NVDA and Apple to participate in the Future
> of Screen Readers discussion panel at the 2010 ACB convention in Phoenix
> Arizona. When the time came for the discussion panel, GW Micro was the
> only screen reader manufacturer that showed up to participate. In
> fairness, Serotek and NVDA attempted to participate via Skype but were
> unable to do so because of Internet connectivity issues in the hotel
> conference area. As for the others, Freedom Scientific declined to
> participate and Apple did not even acknoweldge the invitation sent by the
> Information Access Committee. GW Micro would like to take this
> opportunity to publicly respond to the 10 questions asked of each
> participant and you can find the ten discussion panel questions along with
> our responses below:
>
> 1. Each of your companies has a different business model for marketing
> and selling your screen reader. Based on this model, describe how your
> product is expected to impact the overall market for screen readers.
>
> GW Micro?s business model is driven by the needs of our customers and
> screen reader users all over the world. Our goal is to make current
> versions of the Windows operating system and all Windows-based
> applications fully accessible.
>
> This is accomplished by three methods. First, we try to make Window-Eyes
> as flexible as possible so that the operating system and user applications
> will be completely accessible and usable ?out of the box? without having
> to perform any screen reader customization or scripting. Second, we offer
> users the ability to create set files which can be used to customize and
> enhance the speaking environment of an application that might not be fully
> accessible out of the box. The task of creating set files in Window-Eyes
> can be easily accomplished using an intuitive user interface. Lastly, we
> allow you to customize the operating system and applications based on a
> user?s specific needs. This is done by providing the most powerful
> scripting abilities of any screen reader currently available. Unlike the
> competition, Window-Eyes scripting uses the industry standard approach of
> COM Automation which allows state-of-the-art programming languages to
> harness the full power of Window-Eyes and
> create a seamless computing experience for the end-user. More than 200
> Window-Eyes scripts are already available for use and can be downloaded
> for free directly from Script Central (<../../sc>www.gwmicro.com/sc).
>
> With over 90% of computers running a Windows operating system and the
> increasing popularity of Windows 7, we expect that there will continue to
> be strong demand for a stable, secure and flexible Windows-based screen
> reading solution in the marketplace. In addition, we expect that
> Window-Eyes will continue to grow in popularity as more people learn about
> the powerful scripting capabilities as well as the screen reader?s
> unmatched stability. It is also important to mention that GW Micro was
> the first and still the only screen reader manufacturer to offer a payment
> plan. We believe that the Window-Eyes payment plan has had a dramatic
> impact on the screen reader market by making a powerful screen reader like
> Window-Eyes affordable to people on fixed incomes as well as others who
> find themselves in a difficult financial situation.
>
> 2. The role of computing has shifted dramatically in the past few years
> with much computing being done either remotely?through some kind of
> cloud-based virtual operating system?or virtual machines via products such
> as VMware. Going forward, tell us about your strategy to support remote
> and virtual computing with your screen reader.
>
> GW Micro worked diligently to be the first screen reader to support remote
> computing. This was accomplished by working very closely with Citrix and
> Microsoft to make sure their remote access technologies would be
> accessible with Window-Eyes. This allowed screen reader users access to
> remote computers using software like Remote Desktop for the first time in
> screen reader history. GW Micro has also spent considerable time and
> effort to make sure that both fat and thin client computing is fully
> supported. In addition, GW Micro continues to expand Window-Eyes support
> for virtual computing platforms including VMWare, Virtual PC, Virtual Box
> and Parallels. Moving forward, our strategy will be to continue to work
> very closely with leading technology firms that provide remote and virtual
> computing solutions to ensure that these products continue to be fully
> accessible with Window-Eyes.
>
> 3. As you know, braille is absolutely vital to many aspects of the lives
> that we live as people who are blind or visually impaired including
> education, employment, and literacy. How do you imagine support for
> braille can be improved in your product?
>
> GW Micro understands the importance of Braille and Braille literacy in the
> Blind and visually impaired community. In addition, Braille is essential
> for a computer user who is Deaf-Blind and GW Micro is proud to report that
> many of the leading advocates in the Deaf-Blind community prefer
> Window-Eyes as their screen reader of choice. This is in part because of
> our attention to detail found in the Window-Eyes Braille support with
> features like Quick Message and Speech Box mode. Another benefit of our
> Braille support is that Window-Eyes Braille output can be customized and
> presented in three different ways or modes: Structured, Line and Speech
> Box. These three modes give the user the flexibility to control how
> Window-Eyes will present information on the Braille display based on their
> individual Braille reading preferences. For example, in Line mode, all of
> the text and controls of a dialog box will be displayed on the same line
> of Braille instead of displaying each text item and
> control on a separate line. By displaying all of the information found in
> the dialog on one line of Braille, the user can access all of the
> information very quickly without the need to continually scroll down line
> by line.
>
> Moving forward, we are very optimistic about the future of Braille and
> Window-Eyes Braille support. Because of the advanced scripting abilities
> of Window-Eyes, Braille display manufacturers like Handy Tech have created
> powerful scripts allowing users to make better use of their Braille
> displays. In addition, innovative features being introduced in Braille
> displays like Active Tactile Control (ATC) will allow users to interact
> with their applications in more efficient ways without having to move your
> fingers away from the Braille display.
>
> GW Micro is constantly striving to make sure any and all Braille displays
> are supported by Window-Eyes. GW Micro and many other leaders in
> assistive technology have chosen to support the OpenBraille initiative.
> The focus of this initiative is to develop a universal standard which will
> allow for any Braille display to work with any screen reader
> automatically. Regretfully, not all screen reader manufacturers support
> this initiative which is negatively impacting the affordability and
> compatibility of Braille displays and screen readers. For more
> information, please feel free to review the two insightful blog posts made
> by Doug Geoffray, the lead developer of Window-Eyes, on the Braille driver
> signing issue found at
> <../../blog/index.php/all/?title=a-thought-on-braille-driver-signing>http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/?title=a-thought-on-braille-driver-signing
> and
> <../../blog/index.php/all/?title=more-thoughts-on-braille-driver-signing&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1>http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/?title=more-thoughts-on-braille-driver-signing&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1.
> In addition, if you would like to sign the petition to voice your
> opposition to the ?Secure and Compatible Braille Display Initiative? which
> in our opinion will only serve to harm the Braille reading community as a
> whole, please visit: http://www.petitiononline.com/brl4all/.
>
> 4. The future role of the World Wide Web is often described as that of a
> highly interactive, media-rich desktop. As we move into the era where
> this role becomes more and more evident with the gradual implementation of
> such technologies as AJAX and those collectively known as HTML5, what
> challenges do you foresee your screen reader facing? What opportunities
> do you imagine these interfaces to bring?
>
> GW Micro feels that the opportunities presented by emerging web
> technologies such as ARIA and HTML5 will be truly amazing as long as web
> authors are given the necessary strategies and tools needed to make their
> web content accessible in an efficient manner. GW Micro will continue to
> work closely with companies and organizations that create web and
> accessibility standards as we strive to make the web as accessible as
> possible.
>
> The biggest challenge that we currently face is making the transition from
> reading simple static web pages to web pages and web applications that are
> much more complex and dynamic. This challenge cannot be overcome by
> adding a few lines of code or writing a few simple scripts. Instead, GW
> Micro will invest a significant amount of time and resources to completely
> re-write the Window-Eyes Browse Mode giving users the power and
> flexibility needed to access the web content of both today and tomorrow.
> GW Micro plans to include our new web support in the next major release of
> Window-Eyes, version 8.
>
> 5. With rapid changes, often dramatic at times, in operating systems,
> browsers, and other technologies, screen reader users express frustration
> that they are unable to take advantage of the technologies used by their
> sighted peers for months?if not years. In addition, the interaction model
> for each screen reader may differ significantly. What collaborative steps
> can you take to reduce the lag and different interaction modalities for
> increased benefit to users?
>
> In the past, it was not uncommon for screen reader users to have to wait
> several months before a new operating system or application would become
> accessible. GW Micro was not satisfied with this paradigm so we took the
> necessary steps to make sure that major applications and operating systems
> are supported on day one. This is accomplished by working very closely
> with the application developers during design time to ensure that their
> applications are fully accessible with a screen reader.
>
> GW Micro has a strong reputation for working closely with key application
> developers in an effort to provide full access to applications at the time
> they are made available to the public. The list of software companies
> that GW Micro has collaborated with over the years includes Microsoft,
> Apple, IBM, Adobe, Citrix and many others.
>
> Microsoft is at the top of the list because we strive to provide full
> access to every version of Windows before or as soon as it is released to
> the public. In fact, Microsoft contracted with GW Micro to write the
> Display Chain Manager (DCM) which set the precedent for collaboration
> between a screen reader manufacturer and a commercial technology giant
> like Microsoft. Window-Eyes was the first screen reader to support
> Windows Vista because during a two week porting lab at Microsoft, GW Micro
> was the only screen reader manufacturer to send our software engineers for
> the entire two week period. Because of our extra efforts, Microsoft
> decided to use Window-Eyes to demonstrate the accessibility of Windows
> Vista prior to the official release of the operating system. Window-Eyes
> was also the first screen reader to support Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010
> because we worked directly with the Office team to ensure full
> accessibility.
>
> Our collaborative efforts with Adobe and Macromedia led to Window-Eyes
> being the first screen reader to support both PDF files and Flash content.
> In addition, Window-Eyes was the first screen reader to support Citrix and
> Terminal services because GW Micro was the first screen reader
> manufacturer to work with Citrix and Microsoft to make these tools
> accessible.
>
> Moving forward, GW Micro?s strategy will be to continue to work side by
> side with leading software developers so that accessibility incorporated
> into the design and development of future operating systems and
> applications.
>
> 6. Imagine that you are participating on a panel 5 years from now. What
> do you hope you can tell us about the screen reader space and the role of
> your screen reader in it?
>
> While companies like Microsoft and Apple will continue to integrate
> accessibility into their operating systems, we feel that GW Micro and
> other screen reader manufacturers will still have an important role to
> play in the market. This holds true because competition has been proven
> to drive creativity and innovation. Without competition from companies
> like GW Micro, Microsoft and Apple will have no incentive to make their
> screen readers work with competing technologies. For example, what
> incentive would Apple have to make their screen reader work with Microsoft
> Office and what incentive would Microsoft have to make their screen reader
> work with iTunes?
>
> Many people are optimistically waiting for a utopia where all applications
> and technologies are accessible from day one because commercial technology
> vendors will build accessibility into their products. While this might
> sound like an ideal solution to the accessibility issues we face today,
> history has shown us that technology evolves too quickly for this to be
> possible in all cases. Because of this, screen reader pioneers like GW
> Micro will still play a very important role in developing the most
> innovative solutions to solve the accessibility problems inherent in
> commercial technologies.
>
> GW Micro has been a pioneer in the screen reader industry for over 20
> years and its founders, Doug Geoffray and Dan Weirich have been developing
> assistive technology for Blind and visually impaired computer users since
> the early 80?s. We have the experience and knowledge required to develop
> a powerful screen reader and properly support our customers. If Apple and
> Microsoft are the only companies left offering a screen reader in the
> future, you can rest assured that screen readers will only be capable of
> what an Apple or Microsoft want them to instead of what screen reader
> users actually need them to do. In contrast, GW Micro will continue to
> pioneer innovative and customer driven solutions and add to our ?list of
> firsts? as new operating systems and applications are developed.
>
> 7. Training and support are essential for most screen reader users. What
> innovative steps can you take in the future to ensure that your users have
> the best training and support available? What are some challenges are you
> likely to face?
>
> GW Micro has a unique training model that is not matched by any of our
> competitors. GW Micro offers two types of Window-Eyes training:
> individualized one-on-one phone training as well as hands-on group
> training.
>
> Our phone training is the perfect training option for someone who would
> like personalized training that can be setup around their schedule and at
> an affordable cost. You can read more about our phone training by
> visiting:
> <../../Training/Phone_Training/>http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Phone_Training/.
>
> GW Micro also travels around the country conducting hands-on Window-Eyes
> training classes that cover basic and intermediate Window-Eyes skills.
> These classes have been extremely successful and were recently reviewed
> and recognized by the American Foundation for the Blind?s AccessWorld
> online publication. You can read the glowing review written by Deborah
> Kendrick by visiting: http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw110305.
>
> With the introduction of Window-Eyes scripting, GW Micro has launched
> hands-on Window-Eyes scripting training classes as well. These classes
> give individuals an opportunity to learn how to download, configure and
> use Window-Eyes scripts as well as how to start writing your own
> Window-Eyes scripts. GW Micro offers both a Beginner/Intermediate
> scripting class as well as an Advanced scripting class. You can read more
> about our script training by visiting:
> http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Script_Training/.
>
> GW Micro has a reputation for offering superior technical support and this
> is accomplished by having a dedicated group of technical support
> representatives and engineers to help our customers troubleshoot and
> resolve any problems that they may encounter. Unlike other companies, you
> are always going to speak to a real person when you call us for support.
> In addition, GW Micro is the only screen reader manufacturer to host and
> moderate an email discussion list. This list is a great resource that
> allows our customers to discuss technical issues and questions with GW
> Micro?s technical support team as well others in the Window-Eyes
> community.
>
> Moving forward, GW Micro would like to continue to use and deploy new
> solutions that take advantage of remote computing and emerging web
> technologies so we can continue to improve and enhance the support and
> training we provide. For example, GW Micro is actively using social
> media outlets including Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Flickr to increase
> our outreach and exposure to the community. In addition, GW Micro gives
> everyone the ability to review and rate scripts at Script Central
> (<../../sc>www.gwmicro.com/sc), participate in forums dedicated to
> accessibility (<../../forum>www.gwmicro.com/forum) as well as to
> contribute to online documentation (<../../wiki>www.gwmicro.com/wiki).
>
> At GW Micro, we don?t just provide assistive technology solutions; we are
> an active member of the Blind and visually impaired community. GW Micro
> hopes to pass along our knowledge and expertise to a new generation of
> assistive technology trainers, consultants and end-users. We are
> optimistic that our model for training and support will lead to a growing
> and prosperous community of Window-Eyes users all over the world.
>
> 8. What are the top three things you would tell developers who develop
> software, websites, and interactive environments?
>
> First, we would recommend software developers introduce accessibility at
> design time using existing standards instead of creating new standards or
> trying to retro fit accessibility into the application or website after
> the fact. This should reduce development costs and greatly enhance the
> accessibility of the application. Second, we would encourage software
> developers to work directly with accessibility leaders such as GW Micro.
> This can lead to more commercial software being fully accessible ?out of
> the box? with screen readers. Lastly, we would tell developers that they
> should have Blind and visually impaired users test their software for
> accessibility and usability before releasing the product. We believe that
> this strategy would help software companies better understand the unique
> perspective of Blind and visually impaired computer users and encourage
> them to fix accessibility issues found in their software before it is
> released.
>
> 9. By introducing a screen reader as an integral part of the operating
> system available for every user and at no additional cost, Apple has
> changed the dynamics of the screen reader industry. What changes need to
> occur for Microsoft to bring about a similar model for Windows? What
> reasons are there for not taking such a step?
>
> GW Micro believes that having a free screen reader as part of the
> operating system does a disservice to Blind computer users. How many
> people dropped their dedicated screen reader in favor of Microsoft
> Narrator when it first came out in Windows or now that it has been around
> for more than a decade? The relatively small size of the screen reader
> market does not allow Microsoft or Apple to invest the amount of resources
> that accessibility truly deserves. Without a major change in Microsoft or
> Apple?s infrastructure, they would be ill-prepared to develop a strong and
> evolving screen reader as well as provide the type of support that is
> often required by screen reader users. Without competition from screen
> reader manufacturers like GW Micro there will be no incentive for Apple or
> Microsoft to include a feature-rich and powerful screen reader into their
> operating system.
>
> 10. As a developer of a screen reader, what to you is the most
> frustrating aspect of being in this market?
>
> GW Micro?s biggest frustration is not being able to make all of our
> customers? applications and the web pages they browse fully accessible.
> With the growing use of accessibility standards by software developers in
> conjunction with the powerful scripting capabilities and increased
> flexibility of Window-Eyes, we are optimistic that we will eventually be
> able to reach our goal of making all of our customers? applications and
> favorite web pages fully accessible.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:18:26 -0500
> From: "Code Factory News (no reply)" <enews at codefactory.info> (by way
> of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak and Windows Phone 7
> Message-ID: <auto-000169659887 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
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>
> Logo Code Factory
>
>
> Caroline Ragot - Marketing Director
> <mailto:marketing at codefactory.es>marketing at codefactory.es
>
> Windows Phone 7
>
>
> Mobile Speak for Windows Mobile, 5 years of successes and challenges
>
>
>
>
> Code Factory products will not be compatible with
> the initial versions of Windows Phone 7
>
>
>
>
> Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, September, 1st, 2010
>
> Code Factory has always shown a great commitment
> to keep up-to-date with the latest mobile phone
> technology. Back in 2005, Code Factory launched
> Mobile Speak Pocket. ?Many of our users were
> asking us to make Windows Mobile Pocket PCs
> accessible, because at the time they were the
> only professional-oriented mobile devices,?
> explained Eduard S?nchez, Code Factory?s CEO.
> ?One of our top priorities has always been to
> allow our professional blind and visually
> impaired users to be as efficient and productive
> as their sighted peers. Therefore, based on the
> experience of Mobile Speak for Symbian phones
> released two years earlier, we put together all
> our passion, knowledge and effort and developed
> Mobile Speak for Windows Mobile?.
>
> In five years, Code Factory took up many
> challenges with the Windows Mobile platform,
> including support for the first touchscreen
> devices; support for hundreds of devices from
> more than fifteen different manufacturers such as
> HTC, HP, Motorola, and Samsung; support for
> customized firmware from carriers from all over
> the world; and support for five new operating
> system (OS) versions, from Windows Mobile 2003 SE to Windows Mobile 6.5.
>
> Microsoft has announced the upcoming release of
> Windows Phone 7. Windows Phone 7 is not an
> upgraded version of Windows Mobile 6.5. It is a
> brand-new OS, which means that applications built
> for Windows Mobile 6.x or earlier will not run on Windows Phone 7.
>
> As a software developer, Code Factory is facing
> the same issues as mainstream companies such as
> Mozilla, Adobe or Skype. ?Windows Phone 7 doesn't
> support native code development, which means that
> it is technically impossible to develop a screen
> reader application without the direct help of
> Microsoft, the OS maker?, explained Eduard
> S?nchez. ?Therefore Mobile Speak, Mobile Geo, and
> Mobile Magnifier will not run on the initial version of Windows Phone 7?.
>
> However, Mobile Speak, Mobile Magnifier and
> Mobile Geo will of course keep running on
> supported Windows Mobile devices. Also, the
> Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won't disappear from
> the market all at once, and Code Factory?s
> customers should still be able to acquire them
> for a reasonable period of time after the release of Windows Phone 7.
>
> ?We have been talking with Microsoft for the last
> few months to try to remedy the situation and
> come up with an accessible solution for Windows
> Phone 7 as soon as possible. In fact, we waited
> until now to make this announcement because we
> were hoping that together with Microsoft we could
> find a solution before the release of the first
> Windows Phone 7 devices, but unfortunately this
> will not be the case? added Eduard S?nchez.
> ?Microsoft has always been willing to put
> accessibility on its road map, however it hasn't
> been possible for the first release of Windows
> Phone 7. We at Code Factory are at their entire
> disposal to provide our assistance and expertise?.
>
> Greg Sullivan, Senior Product Manager at
> Microsoft Mobile Communications Business Group
> said, "We understand that the initial Windows
> Phone 7 release doesn't live up to some
> expectations in specific scenarios but as we work
> on future versions of the technology we hope to
> learn from the Accessibility Community about what
> scenarios and features will allow Windows Phone to appeal to more users."
>
> Eduard S?nchez concluded, ?Developing Mobile
> Speak for Windows Mobile has taught us a lot and
> we are proud of our development team for those
> five years of hard work. We are very excited with
> the future of mobile phones and all the new
> platforms which are coming out. We hope that soon
> we will be able to add Windows Phone 7 to the
> list of our successful challenges?.
>
> For more information about Microsoft
> Accessibility, visit
> <http://www.microsoft.com/enable/>http://www.microsoft.com/enable/
>
> For more information about Code Factory?s
> accessible solutions, visit
> <http://www.codefactory.es>http://www.codefactory.es
> or submit a ticket through Code Factory?s Help
> Desk at
> <http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/>http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/
>
>
>
> About Code Factory
>
> Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa
> (Barcelona), Spain, Code Factory is the global
> leader committed to the development of products
> designed to eliminate barriers to the
> accessibility of mobile technology for the blind
> and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory is the
> leading provider of screen readers, screen
> magnifiers, and Braille interfaces for the widest
> range of mainstream mobile devices. Among Code
> Factory's customers are well known organizations
> for the blind such as ONCE, and carriers such as
> AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone.
>
> For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.:
>
>
> Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona)
> <http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/>HelpDesk, www.codefactory.es
> Code Factory, S.L. - 2010
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:37:59 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <FAE5F12A08D4474D8A0E83C7BDDD421F at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was Cp/M.
> One could get in there, change the command processor and/or change/modify
> the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One could generate some
> horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up systems by half or more
> and systems with 64K max separated the efficient programmers from the
> less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080 and Z80 laassembly languages
> (several different flavors) and was perfectly happy with such systems -- I
> had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba for years.
>
> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
> written
> by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several different
> flavors
> of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of Kermit for CP/M systems.
>
> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
> that's
> been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
> workstation
> that's done exactly that! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris hallsworth" <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>
>
>> Hello all!
>> what was your favourite operating system in the history of computing?
>> Also
>> what about software? My favourite operating system in the history of
>> computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using JAWS as my screen
>> reader.
>> My favourite software was a product by PowerQuest called Second Chance.
>> (I
>> wonder if anyone remembers having that preinstalled on their old
>> machines?) I certainly did and it was brilliant! The program is basically
>> System Restore but for data as well as system. What Second Chance did was
>> created "checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore
>> individual files and folders, or even an entire system, to that
>> particular
>> checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either after
>> Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive to be
>> monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance did do was
>> corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way back then. You
>> know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy disk? This is because,
>> as I soon found out, a hidden/system file jfw.cps was backed up by Second
>> Chance each time JAWS modified it. So of course when you restored an
>> entire system to an earlier checkpoint you lost authorization in the
>> process. But apart from that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought
>> it back to make it work for Windows 7!
>>
>> --
>> Sent using Thunderbird
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:19:15 -0500
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <001101cb4a4d$a0abec30$e203c490$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good evening, all:
>
>
>
> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>
>
>
> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>
> Susan Tabor
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:20:47 -0400
> From: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <20100902032047.GA22574 at mini.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Mike is seriously in danger of getting me to dust off memories of 6502
> Assembly here... and tricks to let one modify the running Apple II+/E
> OS, doing things like reducing how long it took a floppy drive to
> respond to commands, changing the frequency of the system bell, and of
> course, crashing a II/+ hard enough that the Reset button wouldn't
> work anymore. But I'm not sure what to call my favorite system. I
> was fond of Telix under DOS for a terminal program, and Artic Business
> Vision for a screen reader in that environment; and I used that setup
> through Windows 98, and I used Windows 98 for some things way past its
> time, as several of my coworkers would attest. :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:37:59PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was
> Cp/M. One could get in there, change the command processor and/or
> change/modify the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One
> could generate some horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up
> systems by half or more and systems with 64K max separated the
> efficient programmers from the less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080
> and Z80 laassembly languages (several different flavors) and was
> perfectly happy with such systems -- I had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba
> for years.
>
> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
> written by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several
> different flavors of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of
> Kermit for CP/M systems.
>
> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
> that's been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
> workstation that's done exactly that! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
> <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>
>
>>Hello all!
>>what was your favourite operating system in the history of
>>computing? Also what about software? My favourite operating system
>>in the history of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using
>>JAWS as my screen reader. My favourite software was a product by
>>PowerQuest called Second Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers
>>having that preinstalled on their old machines?) I certainly did and
>>it was brilliant! The program is basically System Restore but for
>>data as well as system. What Second Chance did was created
>>"checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore individual
>>files and folders, or even an entire system, to that particular
>>checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either
>>after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive
>>to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
>>did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way
>>back then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy
>>disk? This is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file
>>jfw.cps was backed up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it.
>>So of course when you restored an entire system to an earlier
>>checkpoint you lost authorization in the process. But apart from
>>that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought it back to make it
>>work for Windows 7!
>>
>>--
>>Sent using Thunderbird
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>for gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
>
>
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> --
> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com
> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
> "I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't
> so."
> - Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:27:55 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <A8DDE2BC0F9240AB85D42A97C2C9D1E8 at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Susan:
>
> To make an existing PDF document that displays as empty readable, you must
> use an OCR tool to convert it to text. The reason the document shows up as
> empty is that, although packaged as a PDF document, it's a scanned image.
> Screen-readers obviously don't know what to do with these. So you must use
> K1000, Open Book, FineReader or similar OCR engine to convert the PDF
> document to text. I've heard there's a way to do this with Microsoft
> products also but I've forgotten the details.
>
> Otherwise, you might want to make clear to those sending you such
> documents
> that they must type the documents in directly rather than just scanning
> the
> documents in and sending you the resulting PDF file.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:19 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
>> Good evening, all:
>>
>>
>>
>> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
>> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
>> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>>
>> Susan Tabor
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:29:19 -0400
> From: "Dave Marthouse" <dmarthouse at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <000701cb4a4f$0affd000$df0ced48 at DavidMarthouse>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Susan,
>
> Your pdf reading software may be attempting to read a document that is
> presented in graphic form rather than text form. Ocr packages such as
> OpenBook and the like can take the files and read them. I haven't done
> this
> so I am speaking about this only on a purely theoretical basis. I'm sure
> some people on this list who have practical experience with such things
> will
> add their suggestions as well. Good luck with the problem.
>
> Dave Marthouse
> dmarthouse at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:35:58 -0500
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <1605ABAE67AB4734AED72CE33DB4E114 at bassclef>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> You need an OCR program like Openbook or Kurzweil to scan the image. The
> creator of the pdf apparently constructed the pdf out of scanned pictures
> with no text -- a jpg instead of a tif -- or whatever they are.
> Good luck. Sorry, can't help further -- unless you send me the pdf and
> I'll
> run it through my k1000.
> --le
>
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:19 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
> Good evening, all:
>
>
>
> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>
>
>
> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>
> Susan Tabor
>
> _______________________________________________
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> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:38:59 -0500
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <589EBD7FCD014C6C89F815767A0EC46E at bassclef>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> You know, if you have Microsoft Office, you can go to tools / Microsoft
> Document Reader.
> This actually can run the scanner and do limited OCR and create a .tif
> file
> that might be readable.
> Try looking in your office suite.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
> Susan:
>
> To make an existing PDF document that displays as empty readable, you must
> use an OCR tool to convert it to text. The reason the document shows up as
> empty is that, although packaged as a PDF document, it's a scanned image.
> Screen-readers obviously don't know what to do with these. So you must use
> K1000, Open Book, FineReader or similar OCR engine to convert the PDF
> document to text. I've heard there's a way to do this with Microsoft
> products also but I've forgotten the details.
>
> Otherwise, you might want to make clear to those sending you such
> documents
> that they must type the documents in directly rather than just scanning
> the
> documents in and sending you the resulting PDF file.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:19 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
>> Good evening, all:
>>
>>
>>
>> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
>> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
>> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>>
>> Susan Tabor
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:47:58 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <09033EF9563447DB8C0D428072CF7412 at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Ah yes ... Telix was a great MSDOS program. I also used Ms-Kermit
> extensively at work. And I still occasionally use the DOS ports of the
> Info-zip project's ZIP and UNZIP as well as the Windows equivalent, Wiz.
> And
> I still have a couple of Cp/M emulators so if I come across something in
> an
> old CP/M .LBR file format, I can handle it.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>
>
>> Mike is seriously in danger of getting me to dust off memories of 6502
>> Assembly here... and tricks to let one modify the running Apple II+/E
>> OS, doing things like reducing how long it took a floppy drive to
>> respond to commands, changing the frequency of the system bell, and of
>> course, crashing a II/+ hard enough that the Reset button wouldn't
>> work anymore. But I'm not sure what to call my favorite system. I
>> was fond of Telix under DOS for a terminal program, and Artic Business
>> Vision for a screen reader in that environment; and I used that setup
>> through Windows 98, and I used Windows 98 for some things way past its
>> time, as several of my coworkers would attest. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:37:59PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was
>> Cp/M. One could get in there, change the command processor and/or
>> change/modify the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One
>> could generate some horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up
>> systems by half or more and systems with 64K max separated the
>> efficient programmers from the less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080
>> and Z80 laassembly languages (several different flavors) and was
>> perfectly happy with such systems -- I had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba
>> for years.
>>
>> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
>> written by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several
>> different flavors of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of
>> Kermit for CP/M systems.
>>
>> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
>> that's been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
>> workstation that's done exactly that! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
>> <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>>
>>
>>>Hello all!
>>>what was your favourite operating system in the history of
>>>computing? Also what about software? My favourite operating system
>>>in the history of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using
>>>JAWS as my screen reader. My favourite software was a product by
>>>PowerQuest called Second Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers
>>>having that preinstalled on their old machines?) I certainly did and
>>>it was brilliant! The program is basically System Restore but for
>>>data as well as system. What Second Chance did was created
>>>"checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore individual
>>>files and folders, or even an entire system, to that particular
>>>checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either
>>>after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive
>>>to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
>>>did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way
>>>back then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy
>>>disk? This is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file
>>>jfw.cps was backed up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it.
>>>So of course when you restored an entire system to an earlier
>>>checkpoint you lost authorization in the process. But apart from
>>>that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought it back to make it
>>>work for Windows 7!
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sent using Thunderbird
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>gui-talk mailing list
>>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>for gui-talk:
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
>> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com
>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
>> "I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't
>> so."
>> - Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:49:08 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <27E5429A06BF46A887D7BB305E78FB10 at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I was a TinyTalk screen-reader fan under DOS although I also used JAWS for
> DOS.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>
>
>> Mike is seriously in danger of getting me to dust off memories of 6502
>> Assembly here... and tricks to let one modify the running Apple II+/E
>> OS, doing things like reducing how long it took a floppy drive to
>> respond to commands, changing the frequency of the system bell, and of
>> course, crashing a II/+ hard enough that the Reset button wouldn't
>> work anymore. But I'm not sure what to call my favorite system. I
>> was fond of Telix under DOS for a terminal program, and Artic Business
>> Vision for a screen reader in that environment; and I used that setup
>> through Windows 98, and I used Windows 98 for some things way past its
>> time, as several of my coworkers would attest. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:37:59PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was
>> Cp/M. One could get in there, change the command processor and/or
>> change/modify the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One
>> could generate some horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up
>> systems by half or more and systems with 64K max separated the
>> efficient programmers from the less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080
>> and Z80 laassembly languages (several different flavors) and was
>> perfectly happy with such systems -- I had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba
>> for years.
>>
>> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
>> written by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several
>> different flavors of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of
>> Kermit for CP/M systems.
>>
>> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
>> that's been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
>> workstation that's done exactly that! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
>> <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>>
>>
>>>Hello all!
>>>what was your favourite operating system in the history of
>>>computing? Also what about software? My favourite operating system
>>>in the history of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using
>>>JAWS as my screen reader. My favourite software was a product by
>>>PowerQuest called Second Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers
>>>having that preinstalled on their old machines?) I certainly did and
>>>it was brilliant! The program is basically System Restore but for
>>>data as well as system. What Second Chance did was created
>>>"checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore individual
>>>files and folders, or even an entire system, to that particular
>>>checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either
>>>after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive
>>>to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
>>>did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way
>>>back then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy
>>>disk? This is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file
>>>jfw.cps was backed up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it.
>>>So of course when you restored an entire system to an earlier
>>>checkpoint you lost authorization in the process. But apart from
>>>that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought it back to make it
>>>work for Windows 7!
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sent using Thunderbird
>>>
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>>
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>> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com
>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
>> "I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't
>> so."
>> - Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:59:14 -0500
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Open Book Question
> Message-ID: <000301cb4a53$3661c830$a3255890$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello again, Everyone!
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for your input with the Empty Document question.
>
>
>
> Here's another one, since you were so good with the first one! I have
> OpenBook 7.2. Lately when I've tried to scan, it tells me that scanning
> has
> failed. I can't figure out what to do to diagnose or fix the problem.
> Ideas?
> Thanks!
>
> Susan Tabor
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:30:22 -0400
> From: "Dave Marthouse" <dmarthouse at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <001101cb4a57$91c04c20$ad0ced48 at DavidMarthouse>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I used Jaws for Dos and Flipper for dos. I actually liked Flipper over
> Jaws
> for dos.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:59:19 -0700
> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
> To: "GUI-Talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Good Reads confusingto me
> Message-ID: <EFC2CDE819E9452583E0EF3726308A0D at jeol4de10e0e1e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I received an invitation from some3onee to join Good Reads and see his
> latest book pics, and I've heard of Good Reads, so I overcame my
> reluctancwe
> and followed the link in the email.
>
> Well, the page I ggot bragged that I could join via Yahoo, where3e I have
> an
> account but seldom go, and I'd heard of this approach before.
>
> So I signed up on the page pr43esented, and that took me about 20 minutes.
> Not because of mistakes I made in this case, but I think because Jaws
> behaved oddly with the form fields and I had to keep redoing it until I
> ggot
> in.
>
> So I'm taken to what must be the home page of Good Reaeds. It's got search
> boxes galore (imagine Jaws 11 beeping at me constantly as I try to
> navigate
> the page), but nowhere could i find this fellows favorite books list, and
> the pages kept mentioning Gmail and Facebook, and it felt as if I were on
> Facebook, i arrowed down, and soon I was arrowing tyhrough searches
> i'd
> made everwyhere freom BARD to Amazon and even a Google search or two. What
> gives? Where the H was I?
>
> AntAnyone here familiar with Good Reads who can tell me how to proceed?
> For
> the time being, I don't want to accumulate "friends" sorta like you do on
> Facebook, and i have no interest in posting book titles, myself. I just
> wanna see othr people's blogs or lists or whatever is on this site.
>
> HHelp. A little education, please. This is maddening. I'd had only casual
> intentions, and now I've wasted an hour messing around because some guy
> whose name I'm not sure I actually remember sent me an invite to join,
> the
> way you get friend invitations in email every time somebody on Facebook
> that
> you may have emailed with oncee uses that friend finder feature.
>
> Ack. Triple Ack. I feel like throwing this dear little computer at the
> wall.
>
> Yes, I did do a Jaws repair, but that didn't clarify anything. j/k
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:18:17 -0700
> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
> To: "GUI-Talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Good Reads story gets weirder yet`
> Message-ID: <08713074F73E4B43B028E0F640BFACFB at jeol4de10e0e1e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I just went into my OE folders and find that I have a few password resets
> emails from Good Reads, with no involvement with Yahoo this way, from way
> back in March. So it's all starting to seem like deja vu, with Yahoo now
> thrown into the mix. Did I never visit there because even then i couldn't
> figure it out or navigate it, and so gave up and forgot it? And now I get
> this email invite and I click on the link but I gotta sign in afresh, as
> if
> I'd never been there and registered? What is going on. I ask myself.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:42:13 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at comcast.net>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID: <83CC7312-71B8-4262-AD64-E24A1CA1815D at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Mike is quite correct. Also, on the Mac side, Abby Fine Reader is the OCR
> tool I use to handle such occurrences. IF you cannot afford an OCR tool
> to do the job, find a friend whom you trust implicitly and who has such
> tools; and, have them do the conversion for you. This solution is less
> desirable however, because, if you're dealing with a documents the
> contents of which are highly confidential, you really would be placing a
> lot of trust in that friend that he/she will not even read the contents
> beyond confirming that the conversion has taken place. That's why it's
> better to execute a solution yourself if you can.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
>
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
> Susan:
>
> To make an existing PDF document that displays as empty readable, you must
> use an OCR tool to convert it to text. The reason the document shows up as
> empty is that, although packaged as a PDF document, it's a scanned image.
> Screen-readers obviously don't know what to do with these. So you must use
> K1000, Open Book, FineReader or similar OCR engine to convert the PDF
> document to text. I've heard there's a way to do this with Microsoft
> products also but I've forgotten the details.
>
> Otherwise, you might want to make clear to those sending you such
> documents that they must type the documents in directly rather than just
> scanning the documents in and sending you the resulting PDF file.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Tabor"
> <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:19 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
>> Good evening, all:
>>
>>
>>
>> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
>> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
>> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>>
>> Susan Tabor
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:43:15 -0400
> From: "Heewon Chun" <hwc2 at cornell.edu>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Mctwit
> Message-ID: <38FB8582F69A4ACCB9ACEACC7D609892 at mymain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
>
> Hi, all!
>
> McTwit donesn't doced objects since August 31. Do you know why?
> --Heewon
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 06:07:34 -0400
> From: Ryan Perdue <ryan at raineemusic.com>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mctwit
> Message-ID: <4C7F7766.5080805 at raineemusic.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Yes, the authorization mctwit uses is no longer supported by twitter
>
> On 9/2/2010 4:43 AM, Heewon Chun wrote:
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> McTwit donesn't doced objects since August 31. Do you know why?
>> --Heewon
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:21:58 -0400
> From: George and Pamela Dominguez <geodom at optonline.net>
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
> Message-ID: <F48DA3CCFB9C44B1A8398FA8D4EFB9A2 at users>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> I had articvision for my screenreader. On the second computer I got from
> the Commission, which I didn't get to keep because I didn't get a job,
> they
> gave me Vocal Eyes, but I only got to use that for about six months, so
> after using Artic for so long, during my first job and all, it was hard to
> get used to Vocal Eyes. I took the first computer home and had it and
> used
> it until 2008. I took it to the place where I volunteered and used it to
> write the log. When I left there, I gave it to somebody who wanted it so
> she could use the wp5.1 that was in it. Pam.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>
>
>> Mike is seriously in danger of getting me to dust off memories of 6502
>> Assembly here... and tricks to let one modify the running Apple II+/E
>> OS, doing things like reducing how long it took a floppy drive to
>> respond to commands, changing the frequency of the system bell, and of
>> course, crashing a II/+ hard enough that the Reset button wouldn't
>> work anymore. But I'm not sure what to call my favorite system. I
>> was fond of Telix under DOS for a terminal program, and Artic Business
>> Vision for a screen reader in that environment; and I used that setup
>> through Windows 98, and I used Windows 98 for some things way past its
>> time, as several of my coworkers would attest. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:37:59PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was
>> Cp/M. One could get in there, change the command processor and/or
>> change/modify the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One
>> could generate some horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up
>> systems by half or more and systems with 64K max separated the
>> efficient programmers from the less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080
>> and Z80 laassembly languages (several different flavors) and was
>> perfectly happy with such systems -- I had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba
>> for years.
>>
>> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
>> written by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several
>> different flavors of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of
>> Kermit for CP/M systems.
>>
>> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
>> that's been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
>> workstation that's done exactly that! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
>> <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>>
>>
>>>Hello all!
>>>what was your favourite operating system in the history of
>>>computing? Also what about software? My favourite operating system
>>>in the history of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using
>>>JAWS as my screen reader. My favourite software was a product by
>>>PowerQuest called Second Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers
>>>having that preinstalled on their old machines?) I certainly did and
>>>it was brilliant! The program is basically System Restore but for
>>>data as well as system. What Second Chance did was created
>>>"checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore individual
>>>files and folders, or even an entire system, to that particular
>>>checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either
>>>after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive
>>>to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
>>>did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way
>>>back then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy
>>>disk? This is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file
>>>jfw.cps was backed up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it.
>>>So of course when you restored an entire system to an earlier
>>>checkpoint you lost authorization in the process. But apart from
>>>that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought it back to make it
>>>work for Windows 7!
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sent using Thunderbird
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> --
>> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
>> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com
>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
>> "I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't
>> so."
>> - Josh Billings, 1818-1885 (in "Solemn Thoughts")
>>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:01:26 -0400
> From: "Rasmussen, Lloyd" <lras at loc.gov>
> To: "'qubit'" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>, "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
> Message-ID:
> <73E50E886286FC46AB65DBE19544439505CA778E17 at LCXCLMB03.LCDS.LOC.GOV>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It's actually called Microsoft Document Imaging. I have used it on a few
> PDF documents. I like Omnipage much better; this is another off-the-shelf
> OCR program that can even take a PDF and make it into a semblance of a
> Word document.
>
> When someone is about to send you a PDF document, they can do an
> accessibility check on it from the Documents menu of Adobe Reader. If
> they have Acrobat, they can do the OCR in the Acrobat program before
> sending you the PDF.
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
> National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
> Library of Congress 202-707-0535
> http://www.loc.gov/nls
> The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> the Library of Congress, NLS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
> You know, if you have Microsoft Office, you can go to tools / Microsoft
> Document Reader.
> This actually can run the scanner and do limited OCR and create a .tif
> file that might be readable.
> Try looking in your office suite.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
> Susan:
>
> To make an existing PDF document that displays as empty readable, you must
> use an OCR tool to convert it to text. The reason the document shows up as
> empty is that, although packaged as a PDF document, it's a scanned image.
> Screen-readers obviously don't know what to do with these. So you must use
> K1000, Open Book, FineReader or similar OCR engine to convert the PDF
> document to text. I've heard there's a way to do this with Microsoft
> products also but I've forgotten the details.
>
> Otherwise, you might want to make clear to those sending you such
> documents
> that they must type the documents in directly rather than just scanning
> the
> documents in and sending you the resulting PDF file.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:19 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] PDF's; Empty Document
>
>
>> Good evening, all:
>>
>>
>>
>> There's got to be some secret to handling this frustrating problem that
>> appears periodically. When I open a PDF and it says Empty Document and I
>> know that it's not empty, what do I do to make the document readable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your assistance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Frustrated but Hopeful,
>>
>> Susan Tabor
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> <mailto:gui-talk-request@
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:40:49 +1000
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: CUG Members <Members at bcacug.org>, Access L
> <access-l at access-l.com>, VIP-L <vip-l at freelists.org>
> Cc: PC Audio <pc-audio at pc-audio.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Merging MP3 Files
> Message-ID: <20100902234048.159D.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi all,
>
> Merge MP3 is a free Windows program that as the name implies is designed
> to merge several MP3 files into one file. It was mentioned on the GW
> Micro list that this program is speech friendly. I haven't tried it yet.
> You can download Merge MP3 from
> www.shchuka.com/software/mergemp3
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:10:02 +1000
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members
> <Members at bcacug.org>, VIP-L <vip-l at freelists.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] What's New in JAWS 12 Beta
> Message-ID: <20100903011001.1640.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> You can read the list of changes in the first public beta of JAWS 12 at
> www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp
>
> At the time of writing this message the link to download the first
> public beta of JAWS 12 isn't available but from what I've read on
> Twitter it may possibly be available to download in the next day or so.
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:18:48 -0500
> From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
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> What percentage of you guys used Humanware's Dos software Keysoft and
> Mastertouch? Also the Keynote Gold Synthesizer is so far the best I've
> heard
> and stil have the dream of getting my hands on a software version of one
> to
> use if it's sapi4 or five but that synthesizer still is my most favorite!
> The experience of reading with it and hearing how it talks is awesome!
> Might
> it be because that's the first one I ever used and always the first ones
> used is the one we most earn for and remember? I'm talking about July or
> August of 1991 when I first started using my first PC and then transferred
> to a Toshiba laptop in which I had installed MSDos four with Keysoft 1.33
> and Mastertouch I believe 1.3 something. then in August or September of 96
> I
> installed Keysoft 2.4j with Mastertouch 2.4 something and then I
> transferred
> to Windows 95 in December of 98 with jaws 3.2, in March of 2001 to Jaws
> 3.7u
> and the rest is history until I switched to Windows XP with Jaws 5.0 on
> December of 2006 and now September 2010 still on Windows XP and Jaws ten.
> Anyway anyone know hof how to get my hands on a software Keynote Gold and
> if
> it's available in english and Spanish and does it work with jaws ten and
> other programs?
> Gerardo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George and Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
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>
> I had articvision for my screenreader. On the second computer I got from
> the Commission, which I didn't get to keep because I didn't get a job,
> they
> gave me Vocal Eyes, but I only got to use that for about six months, so
> after using Artic for so long, during my first job and all, it was hard to
> get used to Vocal Eyes. I took the first computer home and had it and
> used
> it until 2008. I took it to the place where I volunteered and used it to
> write the log. When I left there, I gave it to somebody who wanted it so
> she could use the wp5.1 that was in it. Pam.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:20 PM
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>
>> Mike is seriously in danger of getting me to dust off memories of 6502
>> Assembly here... and tricks to let one modify the running Apple II+/E
>> OS, doing things like reducing how long it took a floppy drive to
>> respond to commands, changing the frequency of the system bell, and of
>> course, crashing a II/+ hard enough that the Reset button wouldn't
>> work anymore. But I'm not sure what to call my favorite system. I
>> was fond of Telix under DOS for a terminal program, and Artic Business
>> Vision for a screen reader in that environment; and I used that setup
>> through Windows 98, and I used Windows 98 for some things way past its
>> time, as several of my coworkers would attest. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:37:59PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> I'm dating myself but my favorite microcomputer operating system was
>> Cp/M. One could get in there, change the command processor and/or
>> change/modify the BIOs and have a rollicking good time doing so. One
>> could generate some horrendous crashs but it was great fun to speed up
>> systems by half or more and systems with 64K max separated the
>> efficient programmers from the less-so. I had a grand old time in 8080
>> and Z80 laassembly languages (several different flavors) and was
>> perfectly happy with such systems -- I had a HP-125 and Telcon Zorba
>> for years.
>>
>> My favorite program of that era was a terminal program called QTERM
>> written by a guy named David Goodenough. I adapted it for several
>> different flavors of CP/M systems. I also did the last update of
>> Kermit for CP/M systems.
>>
>> For larger machines, I *still* like Vax/VMS. Name me a Windows system
>> that's been up continuously for well over a year! I can name a Vax/VMS
>> workstation that's done exactly that! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
>> <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:04 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Computer museum?
>>
>>
>>>Hello all!
>>>what was your favourite operating system in the history of
>>>computing? Also what about software? My favourite operating system
>>>in the history of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using
>>>JAWS as my screen reader. My favourite software was a product by
>>>PowerQuest called Second Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers
>>>having that preinstalled on their old machines?) I certainly did and
>>>it was brilliant! The program is basically System Restore but for
>>>data as well as system. What Second Chance did was created
>>>"checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then restore individual
>>>files and folders, or even an entire system, to that particular
>>>checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint either
>>>after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a drive
>>>to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance
>>>did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way
>>>back then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy
>>>disk? This is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file
>>>jfw.cps was backed up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it.
>>>So of course when you restored an entire system to an earlier
>>>checkpoint you lost authorization in the process. But apart from
>>>that it was brilliant! How I wish they'd brought it back to make it
>>>work for Windows 7!
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sent using Thunderbird
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> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:41:53 -0500
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
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> ... as in serious, not as in criticism...*smile*
>
> Hi all --
> I absolutely have to get off my old system permanently, which includes
> moving a good number of mail folders to a new machine.
> My XP box has been flaky for some months, and now is down to a paltry 9GB
> on
> the hard drive.
> That with loads of stuff like mp3s offloaded onto an external drive.
>
> I have used outlook express forever (since getting onto windows) -- now I
> need to choose between either thunderbird or live mail or whatever else.
>
> So could someone tell me which is more accessible? And which can convert
> OE
> .dbx mailboxes to whatever other internal format it uses? And is there a
> mail client that saves mail in a common format that wouldn't depend on
> just
> one program?
>
> Pushing things off thill the last minute... not a good idea. I have got
> my
> windows7 box ready except for antivirus and mail client. I need
> recommendations.
>
> Meanwhile, I am uninstalling and deleting programs right and left so this
> old box will run. Then if it does, maybe I can procrastinate a little
> longer.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> --le
>
>
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