[gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on myharddrive

Tue Oct 13 20:43:56 UTC 2009

Tai,

they've given me not just that but simply a full refund after ai said I 
wasn't ready to go through all that again right now. So I'll try again, 
eventually. Just not immediately. Thank.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tai Blas" <Tai.Blas at blind.state.ia.us>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on 
myharddrive

Hi. After my first negative experience with the downloader, I have never had 
another problem. You could ask them to reactivate the album download so that 
you can redownload it rather than getting a refund. When I explained that I 
had never received the purchased album, the tech support folks were happy to 
do this for me.
Thanks.'
Tai

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:43 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on 
myharddrive

Gerald,

I've just spent another long session on the phone with Amazon .mp3 download 
tech support. The result being that I was given a refund and told that the 
"hard core" tech support department would investigate whether or not there 
might be some problem with the album files themselves. he said that the mp3 
downloader sometimes doesn't work, and they have many problems to handle 
with customers. he doesn't think it's only that I changed the download 
destination in preferences.

I appreciate what you're saying but don't have the koyach to try that right 
now. Sorry for the Yiddish. Strength. Spirit. I'm very sick some days. I 
don't have the ability to concentrate as this requires right now. it's a 
fine suggestion, of course, and I know I could have done that as the online 
instructions suggest. but I don't think I did anything particularly wrong 
when I installed the downloader and got that album. I just think something 
went wrong. honest.

Well, I'll wait a couple of days and see if I get any helpful suggestions 
from that hard core group, which isn't, as the guy on the phone explained to 
me, in Delhi. Which is where I realize that his call center is located.
These other guys are probably up there in Seattle at Amazon.

Long, strange trip, this has been. All for a Lester Bowie jazz album that 
I'll bet no one but me on this list knows about. Except for Albert, I'm 
aware. But, hey, I know Beausoleil and Clifton Chenier, so what can I say.
I've just got eclectic musical taste.

Ack. End of rant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on 
myharddrive

Why don't you try downloading one of Amazon's free music samplewrs just to 
go through the steps of downloading an MP3 album or song so you can 
determine exactly where it's being saved.  Then you should have no probelm 
downloading the "missing" album again repeating the same stepps.  At least 
if you "lose" the free sampler, it's no big deal.  You might even find a 
free sampler you actually like.  Just an idea.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_f2_all?tag=slickdeals&ie=UTF8&rs=&sort=price&rh=i%3Adigital-music%2Ci%3Adigital-music-track

Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on 
myharddrive

> Wayne,
>
> of course if I downloaded the downloader afresh and left it on its
> default settings, future purchases would go where they're supposed to
> go. But I'm not looking ahead in that way at the moment. Not saying
> I'll never buy music in this way again, but just not thinking about it
> one way or the other.
> However, I will certainly uninstall the Downloader and install a new
> one in its place before making another such purchase, don't worry.
>
> as for searching, yes I've used my Windows Search function. I said so
> in an earlier post. I used all the approaches you're mentioning except
> for running a search for any and all files with .mp3 extensions. That
> would turn up hundreds of files that would take me so much time to
> arrow through with Jaws that I couldn't stand it in my current state
> of health. If I could see the search results box and just scan the
> items visually, that would just be a bit of work but nothing
> remarkable. But not listening. I just don't feel like putting myself
> through that.
>
> but fear not. I've input song titles properly and everything else I
> could think of, with no results except for versions of those tunes
> that were in folders that were other musicians' albums, just by
> chance. But not the file I was looking for, related to my purchase.
>
> I'll get the tech support call and I'll just get credit and do it all
> over again and hope for the best. Yes, starting with uninstalling and
> reinstalling the Downloader. This has been a lot of time already for
> the sake of an under $10 purchase. It's not hard for me to just think
> of forgetting all about it, know what I mean? I know you're a big fan
> of the Amazon music downloads, so don't take me wrong. That's just
> great that you love the service. No objection.
>
> thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
> myharddrive
>
>
> Joel: if you change the download location, you're right, that would
> not move the files you've already downloaded. However, it would make
> future songs you buy and download easier to find. This sounds obvious,
> but have you tried doing a global search on your computer for the
> missing files, like perhaps searching for all MP3 files, or typing in
> part or all of the name and then putting star dot MP3 to search for
> all related files? You can bring up the global search in Windows with
> the Windows and F keystroke, then just fill in the relevant info and
> tab to the search button.
>
> Good luck,
> Wayne
>
> On 10/12/09, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So did they discontinue the 888 number? Perhaps they were getting too
>> many calls.
>> Oh well, glad you got hold of someone.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>> myharddrive
>>
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> First first of all, if I could simply remember the exact path that
>> was there originally, why couldn't I simply change it back in
>> Preferences? But that's a moot question, because I can't remember
>> exactly how that goes and it doesn't stay around in a combo box or
>> anything like that once you've typed something else in that field. So
>> if for no other reason, your suggestion is the only way I could
>> return that to the default.
>>
>> That said, where's the logic, here? I mean, the files are already
>> somewhere on my hard drive, I suppose, even though I can't find them.
>> Or vanished into thin air in the course of being downloaded, which my
>> account says was done successfully.
>>
>> So I mean, how is changing the destination back to the default going
>> to move those files back to where they're meant to  to reside? Such a
>> thing wouldn't happen if I were to change the download destination in
>> my usual IE download function. Files I'd already downloaded would
>> stay just where I'd put them, originally. They wouldn't be moved
>> somewhere else simply because I changed the target path in the IE
>> function.
>>
>> thanks for thinking this through with me. I'd like to understand the
>> logic of the thinking or how tithing work.
>>
>> BTW, I used the internal messaging system on Amazon mp3 help last
>> night to write and explain my problem and request to be called by
>> phone. that should get me someone to do business with over this
>> issue. Oddly, when you press Send Message there, the page doesn't
>> seem to change (not that I could hear with Jaws, anyway) and you
>> don't get a new page that says Thanks for ending Your Message. Or
>> anything like that, for confirmation. The page stays the same, as if
>> you've never pressed the send button. So I pressed it again.
>>
>> Left me a little troubled, though, as you may imagine.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> (who is not really a Surrender Monkey but does enjoy a good red
>> Bordeaux now and then, and has never renamed french fries as "freedom
>> fries")
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>> myharddrive
>>
>>
>> Joel: have you considered redownloading the Amazon downloader
>> software again, but this time not changing the default download location?
>> perhaps by doing this, you'll be abel to find your music again.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 10/12/09, Joel Deutsch <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> as I said, I was just kidding about freebies. Plus from what I hear,
>>> far from everyone in those email-connected groups is blind. Far from
>>> it. But of course I only heard that somewhere. I would not want you
>>> to think I was some sort of Bolshevik or something like that, God
>>> forbid!
>>>
>>> as for the music folder, it is not where you think it ought to be.
>>> you have not read my messages where I have said more than once that
>>> I changed the default download destination. I do not want to repeat
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much. Again, I was only kidding about those freebies.
>>> Hope
>>> that's clear. I guess it was just a bad joke. I believe in
>>> self-reliance in every way, believe me. From the bottom of my heart.
>>> Anyone who doesn't is no American, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe
>>> French or something. And not Bayou Cajun French, either. Real
>>> French. Red frogs. hate 'em. Don't y'all worry, my brother. LOL.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>> myharddrive
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, can you ever say that again.  I just can't abide the
>>> stupidity of some blind people who think it's okay to break the law
>>> just because we're blind; and, in most cases, on limited income.
>>> Amazon's mp3 store is, so far as I am concerned, one of the best
>>> things I've come across.
>>>
>>> Joel, finding your Amazon mp3 downloads should be a very simple thing.
>>> As
>>> a
>>> rule, there is a folder just off the route of your My Music
>>> directlry called Amazon mp3.  Within this structure, is the artist
>>> folder.  Inside of this, you'll find the album folder.  Nested
>>> inside this folder are the songs themselves.  This holds true even
>>> if you buy only one song.  In my case, I did change the place where
>>> Amazon mp3 downloader puts my material because I don't want any
>>> audio on my primary hard drive.
>>> I've told the Amazon mp3 downloader to place all purchased mp3 files
>>> on my 500GB USB hard drive.  That, though, is a matter of personal
>>> preference.
>>> What's so hard about that?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>> abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away
>>> from your own land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
>>> Phone or Fax::
>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>> Cell:
>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>> e-mail:
>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>> myharddrive
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel: if i were you, I wouldn't worry about online sites getting
>>> into your system. Yes, I suppose it's possible, but I don't genrally
>>> spend my time worrying about what could happen on the web. As long
>>> as you have appropriate security software on your system and buy
>>> your music from a reputable site like Amazon, then you've got
>>> nothing to worry about. Also, this being a public list and all, I
>>> don't know if I'd admit to getting free music from whatever website in 
>>> another country.
>>> Have people done it? Certainly, but now we get our songs from
>>> purchase sites like Amazon. Actually, given all of the ups and downs
>>> in the music world with record companies trying to control their
>>> music, I'm glad that the major labels are now allowing their songs
>>> to go through sites like Amazon. Though this is a great arrangement,
>>> unfortunately it tooks some blood, sweat and tears before it got to
>>> this point. I'm all for supporting what works. Hey, if you don't end
>>> up getting the Amazon songs to work on your system, you can always
>>> go back to the tradditional method of buying the CD and ripping it onto 
>>> your system.
>>>
>>> One other thing: once you buy the song from Amazon, you can do
>>> whatever with it, be it playing on your computer, sending to a
>>> mobile device, or I suppose even giving it to someone else. Though
>>> since the songs are so cheap and can be gotten so easily, I wouldn't
>>> give someone a song I got for a buck. In other words, there's not
>>> any restrictions on how or what you can do with music from Amazon.
>>> For whatever reason, not all paid music sites can say this. Also,
>>> not all paid music sites allow you to keep playing songs that you
>>> bought after you stop using the site. So we've really got a great
>>> deal going with Amazon. It's definitely a model I can get behind and 
>>> promote.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 10/11/09, Joel Deutsch <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>> hi Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> I figured most of this, but you shed new light on it beyond what
>>>> I'd thought of. And as I have tried to say, I didn't mess up
>>>> downloading and installing the Amazon Downloader. I realize what
>>>> you mean by Explorer bar, and I know about alt n although I didn't
>>>> know you had to switch to a fake mouse button in order to bring up
>>>> a menu there. I've never really had to bother with any of this, at
>>>> least not for a long time, for some reason . So I learned about it
>>>> and obviously forgot it. I suppose that was why I heard a peculiar
>>>> Bing!
>>>> sound at some point during all these things I was doing? That's the
>>>> signal that you have to press alt N? Well, somehow I got through
>>>> all of that without a problem. The downloder installation, I mean.
>>>>
>>>> I'll  bet if I'd not changed the preferences and just allowed
>>>> Amazon to put its stuff where it wanted to, I could have done just
>>>> what you did and then find the stuff and copy it to a more
>>>> convenient place to play it.
>>>> Although
>>>> I
>>>> don't get why you couldn't literally "move" those files or delete them.
>>>> Must
>>>> be that they are sort of on your computer but they're actually
>>>> linked to where you got them from, and in fact Amazon could delete
>>>> them if they wanted to, the way they recently deleted some
>>>> purchased books from customers'
>>>> Kindles for reasons not worth going into here. I sort of don't like
>>>> this sort of online thing because I'm almost sure you don't really
>>>> own the files you've bought, and I'll bet they're protected in some
>>>> way from your sending them to someone else, or whatever. it's a
>>>> little too Big Brother for my taste. then I'm thinking, well, I'm a
>>>> customer of audible.com, with many of their spoken books on my
>>>> computer, but I know those files are protected in some way, can't
>>>> be played other than by the Audible reader, called Audible manager,
>>>> I guess, and maybe if they wanted to, they could get into my PC and
>>>> delete some of those books, just as Amazon's done with Kindle people.
>>>> Oh,
>>>> well. Can't mess my mind up thinking about this too much, i guess.
>>>>
>>>> Back to music: I have some music files on my machine, but they're
>>>> mostly either gotten from certain online sources that post stuff to
>>>> SendSpace and that other, more notorious (if you read the news)
>>>> server based in Switzerland, and those are completely mine once
>>>> I've gotten them. The other music files on my PC are ones I've
>>>> ripped from my own CDs, so there's no one involved in this but me.
>>>> And if I really want something and it's in print, so to speak, I'll
>>>> just buy the CD at Amazon and then own the music, for real.
>>>>
>>>> Still, I want to solve this thing. It's only five bucks out of my
>>>> pocket, but this album isn't easily available on CD anymore and it
>>>> just seemed like a cool idea, so I went with the flow. Or tried to,
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the moral support and the advice.
>>>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>>> myharddrive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, the keystroke to get to the information bar in
>>>> IE is alt with N, then a right click of the JAWS mouse button will
>>>> bring up a context menu where you can choose to download/download
>>>> all. I too have not had any major problems when using the Amazon
>>>> MP3 store, except in the beginning when I had to get to the
>>>> information bar or when I had to manually start the download
>>>> process. I've not changed the default download location for the
>>>> Amazon tracks, but rather have gone into the specified folder and
>>>> copied/moved the tracks to my music area on my computer. I haven't
>>>> done anything with the folders of the artists and albums. Initially
>>>> I tried to delete them, but after awhile, didn't worry about this
>>>> part. I hope you can get this resolved Joel since Amazon is perhaps
>>>> one of the few resources that lets you get unprotected and
>>>> unrestricted music from. Personally, I refuse to use iTunes due to
>>>> it's narcissistic nature, of only allowing certain kinds of music
>>>> to be played and only in their own system. Too restrictive for me.
>>>> Besides, you can't beat an accessible web interface. I think the
>>>> hardest thing of the Amazon store for me was getting that initial
>>>> download of the Amazon MP3 Downloader software on my system. Once
>>>> there though, it's been extremely easy, especially when you set and 
>>>> turn on your one click settings on the Amazon site.
>>>> this way, once they're setup and your credit card information is
>>>> entered, you can just activate the buy track link, and everything
>>>> happens in the background.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> On 10/11/09, Tai Blas <taiablas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oops, that was supposed to say link. On the amazon contact pages
>>>>> for customer service problems, you can have amazon call you back
>>>>> at a specified telephone number. Their tech support can allow you
>>>>> to redownload the track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:51 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>>>> myharddrive
>>>>>
>>>>> It seemed to me that the updloader downloaded and isntalled. I cal
>>>>> find it right here under my start/programs menus. As I've said.
>>>>> And the Amazon site under my account reports these files as all
>>>>> downloaded. From their side it looks as if I've been successful.
>>>>> But I can't find the music anywhere on my computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by that dsentence including the word "kinks?" I
>>>>> don't understand what you mean by that sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>>>> my harddrive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When you purchased the album, did you get a download dialog box
>>>>> asking whether you wanted to open or save the download? If not,
>>>>> there was a link that said to click it if your download did not
>>>>> begin. If you did get the dialog asking you to chose to open or
>>>>> save, you need to choose open instead of save. This activates the
>>>>> amazon mp3 downloader and begins your download in the background.
>>>>> If you cannot download the file, find out the kink to contact
>>>>> amazon and you can have amazon call you at the number you specify.
>>>>> Their mp3 downloads department can then allow you to redownload
>>>>> your purchased tracks.
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Tai
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>>>>> To: GUI-Talk
>>>>> Subject: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on my
>>>>> hard drive
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time, I purchased a digital album from Amazon today.
>>>>> I had to download and install the Amazon mp3 Downloader, which I
>>>>> did successfully, and then I bought the album and I guess it
>>>>> downloaded, though I didn't see any sort of dialogue on the screen
>>>>> (I'm partial).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, before I say more, let me say that before I made this
>>>>> purchase, I went into the amazon mp3 downloader Preferences and
>>>>> changed two things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I changed the download destination from their default, which is
>>>>> a sub sub sub directory under Documents and Setting/Admin blah
>>>>> blah blah, to a simple folder that I'd created on my hard drive,
>>>>> called c:/my music. This isn't the "my music" folder that I've
>>>>> noticed up above the C drive under My documents, whatever all
>>>>> that's about. I don't go up there (I use Windows Explorer and
>>>>> that's why I think of it as "up there") and have no idea what that
>>>>> stuff is.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Win XP Home, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I've gone into my account on Amazon and looked up my recent
>>>>> purchase history specifically of digital downloads. And there it
>>>>> is, a record of my having downloeded this album, with all its
>>>>> tracks listed. A fait accomplis, it would seem.
>>>>>
>>>>> but no, I can't find the album, its tracks, or the folder Amazon
>>>>> mp3 anywhere on my hard drive, including under c:/my music. Huh?
>>>>> I've looked and look, using the Search. No luck at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the other item I changed in Preferences was to disable the
>>>>> option of having the downloader put such files into my Windows
>>>>> Media Player playlist or library or hwatever that is. I don't know
>>>>> how to use that sort of thing.
>>>>> I just wanted to find the files themselves in a folder, click on
>>>>> them, and play them in Winamp.
>>>>>
>>>>> To anyone for whom the above is clear, can you advise?as I say,
>>>>> the record at the Amazon site confirms that I've downloaded this
>>>>> material, but I can't find it on my computer, no way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Help me before I lose my mind. I mean the rest of my mind. It's
>>>>> only a few bucks, but I really wanted to listen to the album.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks. Hope I made good enough sense here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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