[gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on myharddrive

Mon Oct 12 20:22:30 UTC 2009

Whatever works man, you know, grin.

Wayne

On 10/12/09, Joel Deutsch <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> of course if I downloaded the downloader afresh and left it on its default
> settings, future purchases would go where they're supposed to go. But I'm
> not looking ahead in that way at the moment. Not saying I'll never buy music
> in this way again, but just not thinking about it one way or the other.
> However, I will certainly uninstall the Downloader and install a new one in
> its place before making another such purchase, don't worry.
>
> as for searching, yes I've used my Windows Search function. I said so in an
> earlier post. I used all the approaches you're mentioning except for running
> a search for any and all files with .mp3 extensions. That would turn up
> hundreds of files that would take me so much time to arrow through with Jaws
> that I couldn't stand it in my current state of health. If I could see the
> search results box and just scan the items visually, that would just be a
> bit of work but nothing remarkable. But not listening. I just don't feel
> like putting myself through that.
>
> but fear not. I've input song titles properly and everything else I could
> think of, with no results except for versions of those tunes that were in
> folders that were other musicians' albums, just by chance. But not the file
> I was looking for, related to my purchase.
>
> I'll get the tech support call and I'll just get credit and do it all over
> again and hope for the best. Yes, starting with uninstalling and
> reinstalling the Downloader. This has been a lot of time already for the
> sake of an under $10 purchase. It's not hard for me to just think of
> forgetting all about it, know what I mean? I know you're a big fan of the
> Amazon music downloads, so don't take me wrong. That's just great that you
> love the service. No objection.
>
> thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
> myharddrive
>
>
> Joel: if you change the download location, you're right, that would
> not move the files you've already downloaded. However, it would make
> future songs you buy and download easier to find. This sounds obvious,
> but have you tried doing a global search on your computer for the
> missing files, like perhaps searching for all MP3 files, or typing in
> part or all of the name and then putting star dot MP3 to search for
> all related files? You can bring up the global search in Windows with
> the Windows and F keystroke, then just fill in the relevant info and
> tab to the search button.
>
> Good luck,
> Wayne
>
> On 10/12/09, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So did they discontinue the 888 number? Perhaps they were getting too many
>> calls.
>> Oh well, glad you got hold of someone.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>> myharddrive
>>
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> First first of all, if I could simply remember the exact path that was
>> there
>> originally, why couldn't I simply change it back in Preferences? But
>> that's
>> a moot question, because I can't remember exactly how that goes and it
>> doesn't stay around in a combo box or anything like that once you've typed
>> something else in that field. So if for no other reason, your suggestion
>> is
>> the only way I could return that to the default.
>>
>> That said, where's the logic, here? I mean, the files are already
>> somewhere
>> on my hard drive, I suppose, even though I can't find them. Or vanished
>> into
>> thin air in the course of being downloaded, which my account says was done
>> successfully.
>>
>> So I mean, how is changing the destination back to the default going to
>> move
>> those files back to where they're meant to  to reside? Such a thing
>> wouldn't
>> happen if I were to change the download destination in my usual IE
>> download
>> function. Files I'd already downloaded would stay just where I'd put them,
>> originally. They wouldn't be moved somewhere else simply because I changed
>> the target path in the IE function.
>>
>> thanks for thinking this through with me. I'd like to understand the logic
>> of the thinking or how tithing work.
>>
>> BTW, I used the internal messaging system on Amazon mp3 help last night to
>> write and explain my problem and request to be called by phone. that
>> should
>> get me someone to do business with over this issue. Oddly, when you press
>> Send Message there, the page doesn't seem to change (not that I could hear
>> with Jaws, anyway) and you don't get a new page that says Thanks for
>> ending
>> Your Message. Or anything like that, for confirmation. The page stays the
>> same, as if you've never pressed the send button. So I pressed it again.
>>
>> Left me a little troubled, though, as you may imagine.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> (who is not really a Surrender Monkey but does enjoy a good red Bordeaux
>> now
>> and then, and has never renamed french fries as "freedom fries")
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>> myharddrive
>>
>>
>> Joel: have you considered redownloading the Amazon downloader software
>> again, but this time not changing the default download location?
>> perhaps by doing this, you'll be abel to find your music again.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 10/12/09, Joel Deutsch <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> as I said, I was just kidding about freebies. Plus from what I hear, far
>>> from everyone in those email-connected groups is blind. Far from it. But
>>> of
>>> course I only heard that somewhere. I would not want you to think I was
>>> some
>>> sort of Bolshevik or something like that, God forbid!
>>>
>>> as for the music folder, it is not where you think it ought to be. you
>>> have
>>> not read my messages where I have said more than once that I changed the
>>> default download destination. I do not want to repeat myself.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much. Again, I was only kidding about those freebies. Hope
>>> that's clear. I guess it was just a bad joke. I believe in self-reliance
>>> in
>>> every way, believe me. From the bottom of my heart. Anyone who doesn't is
>>> no
>>> American, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe French or something. And not
>>> Bayou
>>> Cajun French, either. Real French. Red frogs. hate 'em. Don't y'all
>>> worry,
>>> my brother. LOL.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>> myharddrive
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne, can you ever say that again.  I just can't abide the stupidity of
>>> some blind people who think it's okay to break the law just because we're
>>> blind; and, in most cases, on limited income.  Amazon's mp3 store is, so
>>> far
>>> as I am concerned, one of the best things I've come across.
>>>
>>> Joel, finding your Amazon mp3 downloads should be a very simple thing.
>>> As
>>> a
>>> rule, there is a folder just off the route of your My Music directlry
>>> called
>>> Amazon mp3.  Within this structure, is the artist folder.  Inside of
>>> this,
>>> you'll find the album folder.  Nested inside
>>> this folder are the songs themselves.  This holds true even if you buy
>>> only
>>> one song.  In my case, I did change the place where Amazon mp3 downloader
>>> puts my material because I don't want any audio on my primary hard drive.
>>> I've told the Amazon mp3 downloader to place all purchased mp3 files on
>>> my
>>> 500GB USB hard drive.  That, though, is a matter of personal preference.
>>> What's so hard about that?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you
>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>> land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>> myharddrive
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel: if i were you, I wouldn't worry about online sites getting into
>>> your system. Yes, I suppose it's possible, but I don't genrally spend
>>> my time worrying about what could happen on the web. As long as you
>>> have appropriate security software on your system and buy your music
>>> from a reputable site like Amazon, then you've got nothing to worry
>>> about. Also, this being a public list and all, I don't know if I'd
>>> admit to getting free music from whatever website in another country.
>>> Have people done it? Certainly, but now we get our songs from purchase
>>> sites like Amazon. Actually, given all of the ups and downs in the
>>> music world with record companies trying to control their music, I'm
>>> glad that the major labels are now allowing their songs to go through
>>> sites like Amazon. Though this is a great arrangement, unfortunately
>>> it tooks some blood, sweat and tears before it got to this point. I'm
>>> all for supporting what works. Hey, if you don't end up getting the
>>> Amazon songs to work on your system, you can always go back to the
>>> tradditional method of buying the CD and ripping it onto your system.
>>>
>>> One other thing: once you buy the song from Amazon, you can do
>>> whatever with it, be it playing on your computer, sending to a mobile
>>> device, or I suppose even giving it to someone else. Though since the
>>> songs are so cheap and can be gotten so easily, I wouldn't give
>>> someone a song I got for a buck. In other words, there's not any
>>> restrictions on how or what you can do with music from Amazon. For
>>> whatever reason, not all paid music sites can say this. Also, not all
>>> paid music sites allow you to keep playing songs that you bought after
>>> you stop using the site. So we've really got a great deal going with
>>> Amazon. It's definitely a model I can get behind and promote.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 10/11/09, Joel Deutsch <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>> hi Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> I figured most of this, but you shed new light on it beyond what I'd
>>>> thought
>>>> of. And as I have tried to say, I didn't mess up downloading and
>>>> installing
>>>> the Amazon Downloader. I realize what you mean by Explorer bar, and I
>>>> know
>>>> about alt n although I didn't know you had to switch to a fake mouse
>>>> button
>>>> in order to bring up a menu there. I've never really had to bother with
>>>> any
>>>> of this, at least not for a long time, for some reason . So I learned
>>>> about
>>>> it and obviously forgot it. I suppose that was why I heard a peculiar
>>>> Bing!
>>>> sound at some point during all these things I was doing? That's the
>>>> signal
>>>> that you have to press alt N? Well, somehow I got through all of that
>>>> without a problem. The downloder installation, I mean.
>>>>
>>>> I'll  bet if I'd not changed the preferences and just allowed Amazon to
>>>> put
>>>> its stuff where it wanted to, I could have done just what you did and
>>>> then
>>>> find the stuff and copy it to a more convenient place to play it.
>>>> Although
>>>> I
>>>> don't get why you couldn't literally "move" those files or delete them.
>>>> Must
>>>> be that they are sort of on your computer but they're actually linked to
>>>> where you got them from, and in fact Amazon could delete them if they
>>>> wanted
>>>> to, the way they recently deleted some purchased books from customers'
>>>> Kindles for reasons not worth going into here. I sort of don't like this
>>>> sort of online thing because I'm almost sure you don't really own the
>>>> files
>>>> you've bought, and I'll bet they're protected in some way from your
>>>> sending
>>>> them to someone else, or whatever. it's a little too Big Brother for my
>>>> taste. then I'm thinking, well, I'm a customer of audible.com, with many
>>>> of
>>>> their spoken books on my computer, but I know those files are protected
>>>> in
>>>> some way, can't be played other than by the Audible reader, called
>>>> Audible
>>>> manager, I guess, and maybe if they wanted to, they could get into my PC
>>>> and
>>>> delete some of those books, just as Amazon's done with Kindle people.
>>>> Oh,
>>>> well. Can't mess my mind up thinking about this too much, i guess.
>>>>
>>>> Back to music: I have some music files on my machine, but they're mostly
>>>> either gotten from certain online sources that post stuff to SendSpace
>>>> and
>>>> that other, more notorious (if you read the news) server based in
>>>> Switzerland, and those are completely mine once I've gotten them. The
>>>> other
>>>> music files on my PC are ones I've ripped from my own CDs, so there's no
>>>> one
>>>> involved in this but me. And if I really want something and it's in
>>>> print,
>>>> so to speak, I'll just buy the CD at Amazon and then own the music, for
>>>> real.
>>>>
>>>> Still, I want to solve this thing. It's only five bucks out of my
>>>> pocket,
>>>> but this album isn't easily available on CD anymore and it just seemed
>>>> like
>>>> a cool idea, so I went with the flow. Or tried to, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the moral support and the advice.
>>>> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>>> myharddrive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, the keystroke to get to the information bar in IE
>>>> is alt with N, then a right click of the JAWS mouse button will bring
>>>> up a context menu where you can choose to download/download all. I too
>>>> have not had any major problems when using the Amazon MP3 store,
>>>> except in the beginning when I had to get to the information bar or
>>>> when I had to manually start the download process. I've not changed
>>>> the default download location for the Amazon tracks, but rather have
>>>> gone into the specified folder and copied/moved the tracks to my music
>>>> area on my computer. I haven't done anything with the folders of the
>>>> artists and albums. Initially I tried to delete them, but after
>>>> awhile, didn't worry about this part. I hope you can get this resolved
>>>> Joel since Amazon is perhaps one of the few resources that lets you
>>>> get unprotected and unrestricted music from. Personally, I refuse to
>>>> use iTunes due to it's narcissistic nature, of only allowing certain
>>>> kinds of music to be played and only in their own system. Too
>>>> restrictive for me. Besides, you can't beat an accessible web
>>>> interface. I think the hardest thing of the Amazon store for me was
>>>> getting that initial download of the Amazon MP3 Downloader software on
>>>> my system. Once there though, it's been extremely easy, especially
>>>> when you set and turn on your one click settings on the Amazon site.
>>>> this way, once they're setup and your credit card information is
>>>> entered, you can just activate the buy track link, and everything
>>>> happens in the background.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> On 10/11/09, Tai Blas <taiablas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oops, that was supposed to say link. On the amazon contact pages for
>>>>> customer service problems, you can have amazon call you back at a
>>>>> specified
>>>>> telephone number. Their tech support can allow you to redownload the
>>>>> track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:51 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on
>>>>> myharddrive
>>>>>
>>>>> It seemed to me that the updloader downloaded and isntalled. I cal find
>>>>> it
>>>>> right here under my start/programs menus. As I've said. And the Amazon
>>>>> site
>>>>> under my account reports these files as all downloaded. From their side
>>>>> it
>>>>> looks as if I've been successful. But I can't find the music anywhere
>>>>> on
>>>>> my
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by that dsentence including the word "kinks?" I don't
>>>>> understand what you mean by that sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on my
>>>>> harddrive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When you purchased the album, did you get a download dialog box asking
>>>>> whether you wanted to open or save the download? If not, there was a
>>>>> link
>>>>> that said to click it if your download did not begin. If you did get
>>>>> the
>>>>> dialog asking you to chose to open or save, you need to choose open
>>>>> instead
>>>>> of save. This activates the amazon mp3 downloader and begins your
>>>>> download
>>>>> in the background. If you cannot download the file, find out the kink
>>>>> to
>>>>> contact amazon and you can have amazon call you at the number you
>>>>> specify.
>>>>> Their mp3 downloads department can then allow you to redownload your
>>>>> purchased tracks.
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Tai
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>>>>> To: GUI-Talk
>>>>> Subject: [gui-talk] Can't find Amazon mp3 downloaded album on my hard
>>>>> drive
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first time, I purchased a digital album from Amazon today. I
>>>>> had
>>>>> to
>>>>> download and install the Amazon mp3 Downloader, which I did
>>>>> successfully,
>>>>> and then I bought the album and I guess it downloaded, though I didn't
>>>>> see
>>>>> any sort of dialogue on the screen (I'm partial).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, before I say more, let me say that before I made this purchase, I
>>>>> went
>>>>> into the amazon mp3 downloader Preferences and changed two things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I changed the download destination from their default, which is a
>>>>> sub
>>>>> sub
>>>>> sub directory under Documents and Setting/Admin blah blah blah, to a
>>>>> simple
>>>>> folder that I'd created on my hard drive, called c:/my music. This
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> the
>>>>> "my music" folder that I've noticed up above the C drive under My
>>>>> documents,
>>>>> whatever all that's about. I don't go up there (I use Windows Explorer
>>>>> and
>>>>> that's why I think of it as "up there") and have no idea what that
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Win XP Home, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I've gone into my account on Amazon and looked up my recent
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> history specifically of digital downloads. And there it is, a record of
>>>>> my
>>>>> having downloeded this album, with all its tracks listed. A fait
>>>>> accomplis,
>>>>> it would seem.
>>>>>
>>>>> but no, I can't find the album, its tracks, or the folder Amazon mp3
>>>>> anywhere on my hard drive, including under c:/my music. Huh? I've
>>>>> looked
>>>>> and
>>>>> look, using the Search. No luck at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the other item I changed in Preferences was to disable the option
>>>>> of
>>>>> having the downloader put such files into my Windows Media Player
>>>>> playlist
>>>>> or library or hwatever that is. I don't know how to use that sort of
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> I just wanted to find the files themselves in a folder, click on them,
>>>>> and
>>>>> play them in Winamp.
>>>>>
>>>>> To anyone for whom the above is clear, can you advise?as I say, the
>>>>> record
>>>>> at the Amazon site confirms that I've downloaded this material, but I
>>>>> can't
>>>>> find it on my computer, no way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Help me before I lose my mind. I mean the rest of my mind. It's only a
>>>>> few
>>>>> bucks, but I really wanted to listen to the album.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks. Hope I made good enough sense here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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