[gui-talk] A great alternative to Pandora Radio
Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
Fri Nov 13 18:20:40 UTC 2009
Hi Not sure where you may have read about Last fm not being accessible, but
unless things have changed in the last 24 hours it works great, and I'm
totally blind. Of course the future is always a question, Remember CD baby
was accessible and now it's not. We must always be sure that blind have
access to the web just like our sighted friends.
I pledge to participate actively in the efforts of the national federation
of the blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security for the blind;
to support the policies and programs of the federation; and abide by it's
constitution.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fwd: Article: Schools shun Kindle, saying blind can't
use it (James Pepper)
2. A great alternative to Pandora (Kenlawrence124 at aol.com)
3. Re: Free Microsoft Security thing questions (Chris Hallsworth)
4. Re: Free Microsoft Security thing questions (Joel Deutsch)
5. Bluetooth/infra-red printer you like? (Dale E. Heltzer)
6. Fwd: Coming up on Main Menu for November 14, 2009
(Steve Pattison)
7. Fwd: Reminder about BrailleNote Apex Presentation
(Steve Pattison)
8. Re: Bluetooth/infra-red printer you like? (Rafal Charlampowicz)
9. Re: Fwd: Reminder about BrailleNote Apex Presentation
(Chris Hallsworth)
10. Re: A great alternative to Pandora (Marsha)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:33:25 -0600
From: James Pepper <b75205 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Article: Schools shun Kindle, saying
blind can't use it
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Well it is actually more than the user interface that is inaccessible here
and so that is going to be a problem. It is actually the layout of the
content and that problem is not an overnight solution. All the publishers
face this same problem, do you allow your content to be published in an
accessible format by an outside source or do you do this in-house. Of
course it is very expensive to do this in-house and so the current
solutions
are the Bookshare and other types of formats. So the books available are
the ones the publishers don't mind if they the loose sales revenues and not
the new books.
James Pepper
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Steve Pattison
<srp at internode.on.net>wrote:
> From: Susan Thompson susan at sthompson.net
> To: vip-l at lists.pacific.net.au
>
> Schools shun Kindle, saying blind can't use it
>
> By RACHEL METZ (AP) - 5 hours ago
>
> SAN FRANCISCO - Amazon's Kindle can read books aloud, but if you're blind
> it
> can be difficult to turn that function on without help. Now two
> universities
> say they will shun the device until Amazon changes the setup.
>
> The National Federation of the Blind planned to announce Wednesday that
the
> University of Wisconsin-Madison and Syracuse University won't consider
big
> rollouts of the electronic reading device unless Amazon makes it more
> accessible to visually impaired students.
>
> Both schools have some Kindles that they bought for students to try this
> fall, but now they say they won't look into buying more unless Amazon
makes
> changes to the device.
>
> "These universities are saying, `Our policy is nondiscrimination, so
we're
> not going to adopt a technology we know for sure discriminates against
> blind
> students,'" said Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the National Federation
> of
> the Blind.
>
> Amazon.com <http://amazon.com/> Inc. spokesman Drew Herdener said many
> visually impaired customers have asked Amazon to make the Kindle easier
to
> navigate. The company is working on it, he said.
>
> According to the National Federation of the Blind, there are about 1.3
> million legally blind people in the U.S. Many more people have other
> disabilities such as dyslexia that make it difficult to read.
>
> The Kindle could be promising for the visually impaired because of its
> read-aloud feature, which utters text in a robotic-sounding voice. For
> blind
> students in particular, the Kindle could be an improvement over existing
> studying techniques - such as using audio books or scanning books page by
> page into a computer so character-recognition software can translate it
for
> a text-to-speech program.
>
> But activating the Kindle's audio feature probably requires a sighted
> helper, because the step involves manipulating buttons and navigating
> choices in menus that appear on the Kindle's screen.
>
> The federation says the device should be able to speak the menu choices
as
> well.
>
> Electronic books still make up a small portion of the overall book
market,
> but it's a fast-growing segment. In hopes of getting even more people to
> try
> the Kindle, Amazon released the $489 Kindle DX this year, which has a
large
> screen and is geared toward textbook and newspaper readers. The company
> then
> worked with several colleges to give out Kindles this fall with digital
> versions of their textbooks on them.
>
> The Federation for the Blind sued one of the schools that participated in
> this pilot program - Arizona State University - in June, along with the
> American Council of the Blind and a blind ASU student, arguing it was
> discriminating against blind students. That case is ongoing.
>
> The group also filed complaints with the Department of Justice against
five
> other schools that are participating in the Kindle trial with Amazon.
> Wisconsin and Syracuse are not among those schools.
>
> Ken Frazier, director of Wisconsin-Madison's library system, said the
> library bought 20 Kindle DX devices for use in a history class this fall.
> Though he's not sure how many blind students are at his school, he said
> many
> students have difficulties reading texts for various reasons, such as
> learning disabilities.
>
> "Our experience is that when you make technology accessible, everybody
> benefits," he said.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:05:11 EST
From: Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
Subject: [gui-talk] A great alternative to Pandora
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Hi list members, Ken here. A recent post to the Gui-talk list brought up
Pandora Internet Radio, and a string of posts recently brought up the CD
baby upgrade that has left blind out. Both of these are because of the
dreaded flash applications that screen readers can't see. While we work
on CD
baby, here is an alternative to Pandora. Especially since it appears that
pandora is of the opinion that they must be financially stable before the
access issue can be addressed. It will mean years before we have access
to
it. So to get there attention let's take our Internet listening of a
personalized nature elsewhere. Visit _www.last.fm_ (http://www.last.fm)
and join
it. When you first sign up, go to where it says profile and you will see
a edit field where you type all the artists you want separating each with
a
comma. The functionality is very much like Pandora. I can't listen
cleanly myself because of Dial up but based on the artists I entered I
tested
four or five stations and Boy! I can hardly wait to ditch dial up. So
until
we win the fight with
CD baby and Pandora _www.last.fm_ (http://www.last.fm) and enjoy.
I pledge to participate actively in the efforts of the national
federation
of the blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security for the
blind;
to support the policies and programs of the federation; and abide by it's
constitution.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:14:02 -0000
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Free Microsoft Security thing questions
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Hi, Microsoft Security Essentials, the best free antivirus/antispyware
solution, is what you need and that's all.
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: 06 November 2009 11:03 PM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Free Microsoft Security thing questions
I forgot what it's called, but it's that free security program you
download
from Microsoft.
Someone said it's the best free antivirus program around, now. Does that
mean I should install it on my new laptop, and maybe also on my desktop,
where I would have to uninstall Avast! free edition?
Also, is it also an anti spyware program, or just antivirus? I'm running
super Antispyware Free Edition as well as Windows defender on my desktop,
and I'd like to know what's best to do against spyware on my new laptop
and
also whether I should use the same thing now for my desktop and get rid of
Super Anti Spyware and Windows defender.
That's a lot of questions. I hope someone can follow them.
Thanks very much,
Joel
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:54:37 -0800
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Free Microsoft Security thing questions
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Chris,
Thanks. Others have contributed to this discussion, and I understand that
now. Everything will be fine.
Joel
undeFrom: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Free Microsoft Security thing questions
Hi, Microsoft Security Essentials, the best free antivirus/antispyware
solution, is what you need and that's all.
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: 06 November 2009 11:03 PM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Free Microsoft Security thing questions
I forgot what it's called, but it's that free security program you download
from Microsoft.
Someone said it's the best free antivirus program around, now. Does that
mean I should install it on my new laptop, and maybe also on my desktop,
where I would have to uninstall Avast! free edition?
Also, is it also an anti spyware program, or just antivirus? I'm running
super Antispyware Free Edition as well as Windows defender on my desktop,
and I'd like to know what's best to do against spyware on my new laptop and
also whether I should use the same thing now for my desktop and get rid of
Super Anti Spyware and Windows defender.
That's a lot of questions. I hope someone can follow them.
Thanks very much,
Joel
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:27:54 -0600
From: "Dale E. Heltzer" <deheltzer at msn.com>
Subject: [gui-talk] Bluetooth/infra-red printer you like?
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
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I'm thinking of getting a printer I could use from my desktop, netbook,
or pocket PC. Bluetooth or IRDA would seem to be convenient.
Does anyone have a favorite? One they hate?
TIA
---
Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer at msn.com
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:36:08 +1100
From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Coming up on Main Menu for November 14, 2009
To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, VIP L <vip-l at softspeak.com.au>,
CUG Members <Members at bcacug.org>
Message-ID: <20091113173607.2FC9.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
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From: Jamie Pauls jamiepauls at sbcglobal.net
To: friends at acbradio.org
On this week's edition of Main Menu:
We have a demonstration of NVDA which was previously heard on Blind Cool
Tech.
Main Menu airs on Saturdays at 1:00 UTC; that's Fridays at 8:00 Eastern
time
in the U.S.
Call the Main Menu comment line at (206) 338-7823. Messages may be played
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:19:04 +1100
From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Reminder about BrailleNote Apex Presentation
To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, VIP L <vip-l at softspeak.com.au>,
CUG Members <Members at bcacug.org>
Message-ID: <20091113231903.3177.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
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From: Marlaina Lieberg 1guidedog at gmail.com
To: friends at acbradio.org
What: Get the scoop on the new and improved BrailleNote Apex!
When: Friday, November 13 at 9 PM Eastern, 6 Pacific which is Saturday at
2
UTC.
Where: ACB Radio Mainstream, the world's leading source for information
relevant to people who are blind.
How: Point your browser to:
www.acbradio.org/mainstream
What's the buzz? Join Matthew Janausauskas, HumanWare's Technical Support
Manager and ACB Radio's Marlaina for a special live 2-hour event on
Friday,
November 13. You've heard a bit about the Apex, be among those who will
hear the first public unveiling of the Apex and all its features. You'll
be
able to call in and ask questions, make comments about what you'd like to
see for the future of the Apex and much much more!
Don't just rely on a written press release or a short phone call to
HumanWare for your information; take the opportunity to actually speak
with
a HumanWare manager who has been involved with the project since its
inception.
Let Friday the 13th be your lucky day!
Thank you for your ongoing support of my ACB Radio work.
Warmly,
Marlaina
I use to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure!
Regards Steve
Email: srp at internode.on.net
MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype: steve1963
Twitter: steve9782
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:01:32 +0100
From: "Rafal Charlampowicz" <rafalchar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Bluetooth/infra-red printer you like?
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <3C6BADD095A4464C8CFBA2B140E15FE4 at rafalh>
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reply-type=original
From: "Dale E. Heltzer" <deheltzer at msn.com>
> I'm thinking of getting a printer I could use from my desktop, netbook,
> or pocket PC. Bluetooth or IRDA would seem to be convenient.
>
> Does anyone have a favorite? One they hate?
> TIA
> ---
> Dale E. Heltzer
I've never had a wireless printer, but I think that IRDA is rather a bad
idea - the computer and the printer must see each other optically so it
can
be even more troublesome than using a cable.
By the way, I don't know if printers using IRDA are manufactured.
-
-
Greetings
Rafal
http://www.bariery.ug.gda.pl/english/orientacja.html
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:03:17 -0000
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40 at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Reminder about BrailleNote Apex
Presentation
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
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What time is this in the UK? If I can't attend will it be archived? I guess
it will but thought I'd ask. Thanks, chat soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Pattison
Sent: 13 November 2009 12:19 PM
To: Access L; VIP L; CUG Members
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Reminder about BrailleNote Apex Presentation
From: Marlaina Lieberg 1guidedog at gmail.com
To: friends at acbradio.org
What: Get the scoop on the new and improved BrailleNote Apex!
When: Friday, November 13 at 9 PM Eastern, 6 Pacific which is Saturday at
2
UTC.
Where: ACB Radio Mainstream, the world's leading source for information
relevant to people who are blind.
How: Point your browser to:
www.acbradio.org/mainstream
What's the buzz? Join Matthew Janausauskas, HumanWare's Technical Support
Manager and ACB Radio's Marlaina for a special live 2-hour event on
Friday,
November 13. You've heard a bit about the Apex, be among those who will
hear the first public unveiling of the Apex and all its features. You'll
be
able to call in and ask questions, make comments about what you'd like to
see for the future of the Apex and much much more!
Don't just rely on a written press release or a short phone call to
HumanWare for your information; take the opportunity to actually speak
with
a HumanWare manager who has been involved with the project since its
inception.
Let Friday the 13th be your lucky day!
Thank you for your ongoing support of my ACB Radio work.
Warmly,
Marlaina
I use to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure!
Regards Steve
Email: srp at internode.on.net
MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype: steve1963
Twitter: steve9782
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:01:41 -0600
From: "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A great alternative to Pandora
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
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Hi
I thought I had read that this site is no longer accessible.
Marsha
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