[gui-talk] JAWS scripts for Skype 4.1 posted
Doug Lee
dgl at dlee.org
Thu May 28 16:58:58 UTC 2009
We may have ourselves an accidental mixing of apples and oranges here. :-)
The Space-to-select, then Del-to-delete suggestion I gave is only for
the Contact and Conversations lists, not the History list. The
behavior of Del is the same in either Compact or Default views; you
still have to select first. I consider this a bug in Skype 4, but one
I keep forgetting to raise with sufficient volume since I scripted
around it by taking over the Del key myself.
When you said you were trying to avoid a long history of calls, you
may have just meant a long Conversation list. If so, the above
applies; but if not, the below does.
History does not allow deletion in Skype 4 as it did in Skype 3 as far
as I know. I think you can choose how long to keep it, and maybe
setting that to "never" will clear it out; but I don't know a way to
pick off specific items. That would be why Select All + Delete didn't
do anything for you in that list. The History list is the one you get
from Ctrl+8 with scripts running, or Alt+3 without.
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:45:08AM -0400, Chipmunks wrote:
> Thanks for this.
>
> Actually, no matter how "netcentric" I might be, I do just what you
> suggest and download once and then use a usb stick and sneakernet to get
> the installer to our other computers and install on there. i've never
> downloaded the "stub installer" but always the complete package. this is
> also in case i need to go back to an installer later after it no longer
> is the current version - but in a land where internet flat rates are
> still not as commonplace as elsewhere, it just is a waste of bandwidth
> and internet traffic to download a file more than once.
>
> I did listen to the FS cast featuring you on skype 4.0 and i actually
> did archive that part of the podcast in my skype archive. I hope someone
> out there will do a full tutoiral on skype 4.1 at some point. For now I
> am in no hurry to upgrade.
>
> Thanks on the tip with using the space bar on the conversation items to
> select them. I set skype 4.1 to compact view and classic menus but the
> arrow keys didn't seem to select anything either. However, I would have
> expected that selecting the "select all" entry from the context menu
> would and i had done that before attempting to delete my test call
> history but it still did not delete anything. I just do not want to
> accumulate a whole big history of unwanted and unneeded entries.
>
> I'll go and play and explore some more at some point. I'm thankful for
> the portable versions that allow us to do that without corrupting an
> existing install.
>
> Thanks again and God Bless,
>
> Doris
>
>
>
> At 07:10 AM 5/28/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>> I didn't notice the download was the new stub version, but I'm not
>> sure why that's a problem unless you're trying to download once and
>> then install on non-Internet computers. For Skype, being rather
>> Internet-centric, I doubt that's what you were up to. :-)
>>
>> I know of no full tutorial on Skype, at least if Skype's own help
>> facilities don't do it; and I have not looked at those. I did discuss
>> Skype 4.0 in an FSCast about a month ago.
>>
>> The Delete key works with scripts to delete 4.1 conversations, but at
>> this point, not without unless you first select the conversation.
>> Press Space, then Del, to get rid of one. The reason for this anomaly
>> is that Skype does not "select" a conversation, or a Contact list
>> entry for that matter, as you arrow to it. This is because the
>> "selected" entry is the one shown in the conversation part of the
>> screen in Default view, and selecting on arrows would significantly
>> slow navigation through the lists.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:48:20PM -0400, Chipmunks wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A few remarks on this.
>> >
>> > The download page you give for the skype 4.1 beta only has the active
>> > setup file that is about 2 megs in size and not the full 22-meg setup
>> > package. i needed to find this by googling for it.
>> >
>> > I found myself a portable version of skype 4.1 beta rather than
>> > installing it over my current 3.8 install.
>> >
>> > I had a quick look and runthru of the settings and the program ad found
>> > it usable. I did not install the latest scripts for the program as I want
>> > to continue using skype 3.8 as my main version for now and also wantted
>> > to see how skype 4.1 fares without scripts and with such offerings as
>> > nvda.
>> >
>> > I find skype 4.1 different enough from 3.8 - even with all the changes
>> > like switching to compact mode that make it similar to 3.8 - that i would
>> > like to have a tutoiral for it.
>> > Is there any such tutoiral or podcast out or in the works on skype 4.1?
>> > Finally, i have a direct question on the use of 4.1: How do I delete
>> > entries under conversations for a given contact? I tried my delete key
>> > but this did not work. i called the echo service several times during my
>> > setup of 4.1 and wanted to get rid off those entries but found I could
>> > not.
>> >
>> > Thanks much and God Bless,
>> >
>> > Doris
>> >
>> > At 03:23 PM 5/27/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>> >> Exciting news here, news I have been waiting to share for months! I
>> >> have a fair amount to say, so here's a summary: There is a new and
>> >> more accessible Skype 4.1 public beta out, and there are scripts to go
>> >> with it. I will first describe the Skype beta, then the scripts for
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> Details:
>> >>
>> >> We have a public beta of Skype 4.1, and there are accessibility
>> >> features in it! Accessibility is still an ongoing project, but as you
>> >> will see, some of the problems are fixed, and others are promised
>> >> before the next full Skype release.
>> >>
>> >> Notes on Skype 4.1 itself:
>> >>
>> >> Skype 4.1 beta contains accessibility improvements, including
>> >>
>> >> - More items in tab order.
>> >>
>> >> - More items with meaningful names.
>> >>
>> >> - The Accessibility submenu of Tools again, with Extended
>> >> Keyboard Navigation under it.
>> >>
>> >> As an example, you can now set mood text just by tabbing to the proper
>> >> control in the main Skype window, pressing Space, editing your text,
>> >> and pressing Enter.
>> >>
>> >> In addition, I spot the following commitment in the Skype release
>> >> notes, which is a publicly accessible document: Under "Known Issues":
>> >>
>> >> Voicemail and File transfer not accessible: this will be
>> >> fixed for 4.1 Gold.
>> >>
>> >> So although that is not fixed now, we finally have a promise from
>> >> Skype that it will be fixed when Skype 4.1, not beta, comes out.
>> >>
>> >> You can get the beta either by going to http://www.skype.com, then
>> >> Download, then "Beta versions of Skype," or by going directly to the
>> >> following link:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windows/beta/
>> >>
>> >> >>From that page, no matter how you got there, use the "Download Now"
>> >> link to get the program.
>> >>
>> >> The technical info for this version, from that page:
>> >>
>> >> Version 4.1.0.130 File size 22 MB. Beta release. Release date:
>> >> May 27, 2009. File name: SkypeSetup-Beta.exe
>> >>
>> >> One warning: After clicking "I agree Install button" in the
>> >> installer, another page will appear, probably silently, with a
>> >> checkbox asking permission to install Google Chrome. This is much
>> >> like the "Install the Google Toolbar" option we've seen in older
>> >> Skypes. It may default to checked, so I recommend tabbing around and
>> >> unchecking that box if you don't want Google Chrome, which is a
>> >> browser whose accessibility is unknown to me. The Skype installer
>> >> will remember your setting for that checkbox in future, but it's
>> >> always a good idea to watch for it.
>> >>
>> >> Now, about the scripts:
>> >>
>> >> There is a new script set posted at
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dlee.org/skype/
>> >>
>> >> for Skype 4.1 beta. It will probably also work with Skype 4.0, though
>> >> I have not tried that recently. I am calling this version 4.1a,
>> >> meaning the first Skype script release for Skype 4.1.
>> >>
>> >> NOTE: I recommend restarting JAWS once after installing these
>> >> scripts, because the names of a number of global variables have
>> >> changed, and the old ones can only be cleared out of memory by a JAWS
>> >> restart..
>> >>
>> >> The rest of this message will describe new features of the scripts.
>> >>
>> >> First, user-visible changes:
>> >>
>> >> A double JAWSKey+F1, the standard command for accessing JAWS
>> >> script help documents, will take you to an online page at my web site
>> >> describing how to use Skype 4.1 with the scripts. This feature is
>> >> long overdue, and though I'm sure the online documentation is in need
>> >> of updating, it is at least a central starting point, better than
>> >> having to fish for info among all the release notes for the various
>> >> Skype script releases.
>> >>
>> >> F2, typed from within a conversation, will turn on and off JAWS'
>> >> announcement of timestamps with text messages, if you have enabled the
>> >> display of timestamps in Skype itself. This is similar to how F2
>> >> works in AIM. The virtual display of text messages will also be
>> >> affected.
>> >>
>> >> Alt+Numpad5 will now say the position of the current message in
>> >> addition to its contents.
>> >>
>> >> Users that sometimes heard nothing when backspacing in a text message
>> >> input box should now hear characters as usual. This script update
>> >> fixes a few possible causes of that problem.
>> >>
>> >> JAWS 9 no longer beeps on arrows, SayLine, etc., in the History list.
>> >> The History list is also more appropriately named (perhaps not in
>> >> Braille though).
>> >>
>> >> JAWS auto-announces questions like the one about holding the current call
>> >> to make a new one. Also, Ctrl+Shift+E deals with that window instead
>> >> of the Accounts panel when it applies. Controls in such a box can now
>> >> be reached with the Tab key, as Skype itself made this possible.
>> >>
>> >> Double Ctrl+numbers no longer switch to the JAWS cursor and restrict it.
>> >> A double Ctrl+6 focuses the profile area, and it also works in more
>> >> windows.
>> >>
>> >> If you leave the new Chrome menus in effect in Skype, the scripts will
>> >> try to make them speak. Turning these off is still recommended
>> >> though.
>> >>
>> >> If you open the Help/About box and try to move to another window or
>> >> application without first closing it, the scripts will close it for
>> >> you to keep it from interfering with other windows and applications.
>> >>
>> >> Any Braille display users who sometimes heard "Unknown function call
>> >> to JCPBrailleHelper" should no longer hear that message.
>> >>
>> >> Users of JAWSKey+V may have noticed that the clipboard could get
>> >> overwritten with a funny-looking string of verbosity option info in
>> >> certain situations. This is now fixed.
>> >>
>> >> The script installer includes some attempts to fix a problem wherein
>> >> some users are told they have no valid JAWS language folder.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, internal changes, visible mostly to coders and curious souls
>> >> who look at the code:
>> >>
>> >> This script version officially ends my use of jsl files in public
>> >> projects, which means fewer files in the script set. Any jsl files
>> >> from previous scripts will not be deleted when you install this
>> >> update, however.
>> >>
>> >> The names of most functions and global variables used in the Skype
>> >> scripts have been changed to make them unique enough not to collide
>> >> with other scripts that one might have running alongside the Skype
>> >> scripts. This was not a frequent problem but did happen to some
>> >> people.
>> >>
>> >> A number of functions from Skype 3 scripts no longer used in Skype 4
>> >> have been removed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
>> >> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com
>> >> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
>> >> "Believe, when you are most unhappy, that there is something for you
>> >> to do in the world. So long as you can sweeten another's pain, life is
>> >> not in vain." --Helen Keller
>> >>
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