[gui-talk] A glitch in the righteous posture? (was ReadingRightsCoalition Denounces Random House)

Fri May 22 17:05:20 UTC 2009

Personally, I am not interested in the introduction of another high tech
toy that will be priced out of the reach of most blind persons.  I
commend the folks who are fighting this battle, but none of us have the
time and energy to fight all of the battles that must be fought, and
this is one that i choose not to fight.  I would rather devote my time
and energy to efforts designed to increase employment among blind
persons so that they can have the means to purchase high tech toys if
they so desire.

Andy

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On Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A glitch in the righteous posture? (was
ReadingRightsCoalition Denounces Random House)

Books are downloaded directly to the device.

Dave

At 03:50 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
>HR-6320 did not pass last year, so I do not think it is covered by 
>current FCC regs.  Also, is it really internet ready?  Can you download

>books directly to it, or do you have to download them to a PC first?
>The device as it currently exists is not accessible to blind persons 
>because the speech only starts once a book has been opened.  The font 
>size can be increased, but again, only after the book has been opened.
>The font size for the menus and prompts is only 6 point, so it would 
>not be readable for a low vision user unless he put it under a 
>magnifier or CCTV.
>
>Andy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Don Moore
>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:30 PM
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>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A glitch in the righteous posture? (was 
>ReadingRightsCoalition Denounces Random House)
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>Not sure of all the legal ramifications, but as an internet ready 
>device you'd think it would fall under the FCC regs for accessibility, 
>and should have to meet such.  Since Amazon is trying to get it into 
>the education market there are regulations for accessibility there too.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:00 PM
>Subject: [gui-talk] A glitch in the righteous posture? (was Reading 
>RightsCoalition Denounces Random House)
>
>
>I have seen a lot of discussion on this issue about the Amazon Kindle 
>and the juggling of copyright law in regard to speech output. I don't 
>wish to address the legal issues, either from the copyright side or the

>ADA side.
>But what I do wonder, repeatedly, is what all this can matter, 
>practically speaking, for someone like me lacking central (macular) 
>vision or totally blind, as the controls that allow use of this device 
>are said to be inaccessible, I believe because they're touch-screen 
>controls and not mechanical buttons whose use can be memorized by an 
>enterprising person with a little help from a sighted tutor, meaning a 
>friend who will patiently teach the skill.
>
>For whose benefit is protest being made at this point? The partially 
>sighted who can read visually given enough text size and contrast, but 
>who for some reason can't locate and identify the control buttons? if 
>so, I can say fine, no problem. But If the stated objection is without 
>regard to the possible ironies and contradictions and, as such, is 
>actually just a first step in an anticipated battle to inspire yet a 
>further upgrade to the Kindle that will, this time, include 
>blind-operable controls, that too I could understand.
>Hassle them about the copyright thing first, then, while they're busy 
>fighting the NFB over that, hit them with the control inaccessibility 
>thing.
>Never having been entirely serious about the copyright issue while it 
>was still moot for practical reasons to do with nonoperability.
>
>Personally, if I were to purchase a Kindle, I'd have to do all my 
>reading on it aided by a sighted person who could change the page 
>display for me, like the page turner who stands beside the bench of a 
>concert pianist as the pianist plays from his or her score. This isn't 
>practical for me, as I have neither a slave or a paid assistant. So I 
>continue to buy my commercial recorded books from audible. com and play

>the files either on my computer with the Jaws-friendly Audible Manager 
>software or on my .mp3 player, which required two people, one blind via

>email and a second sighted and here with me, to teach me how to use 
>well enough despite the unit's reliance on a menu window.
>
>I hope I've posed this seeming contradiction clearly enough.
>
>thanks.
>
>
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