[gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Mon May 11 17:18:00 UTC 2009

Why would you want to save sent items anyway?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of albert griffith
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:00 PM
To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

This shouldn't happen with your sent items folder.  It's possible your
e-mail program is doing some clean-up work and they're temporarily not
available.  See if it's that way tomorrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:18 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

P.S.

For some reason, fir time it ever happened, my Sent Items in Outlook
Express, quite a lot of items, disappeared a couple of minutes ago
except for a random couple of emails I sent out months ago. I'm totally
mystified, as I don't understand anything about these special files and
file extensions

that are the reality of OE messages. I'm not too distraught, because I
just keep the sent items kind of reflexively, as if I'll ever refer to
most of them again. But still it's spooky.
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

No No.  You defined the context of my answer with your question.  You
asked about the microsoft site specifically.  I answered you within the
context of your question see below, I'll cut your question out and paste
it right here.
Now, here it is.  Look at what you asked?  My answer was quite logical
given what you asked.
" So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows
leads me?
Tjat sounds easy enough."

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

oh. I did not know you were assuming that. I really didn't. You don't
say say anything referring to it in your comments. That may not matter
to you, but for me it disconnected your remarks from anything directly
to do with the MS site. You could, for instance, have said I'd see
advertising all over

the MS site. But you didn't waste a few keystrokes to fill out what you
mean, and depending on some sort of telepathy. Now I know what you
thought I

ought to have inferred. It's about writing. About what you say and what
you don't say. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Jole, your question supposed you'd be looking on the microsoft site.  My
answer taking that in to account was there'd be advertising all over
meaning
the site.  You must have forgotten your question.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Please, let me ask this one more time. I'm not asking where to get it.
I'm
notasking where to find tutorials on how to use it. Not in this
question. In

this question, I'm only asking, again, where do you suppose I will
shortly
be seeing mucho advertising for this product? You hav3e not said. Will
it be

mentioned on every New York Times article page, is that what you mean?
Or
when I go to the Amazon home page, it will be there right with all the
department links and the Hi Joel greetting? Or what? I'm trying to
figure
out where you mean. The advertising.
Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Yes.  You'll probably see lots of advertising for it since it's new.
You
might also get the same availability through your windows update
feature.  A
link should come up saying review other updates or something like that.
If
you go the route of the Ms. Web site once you press the download link
you'll
see all kinds of informational material before tha actual download link.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:47 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows
leads
me?
Tjat sounds easy enough.
.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Often you'll find what's new facts in one of the first files in the
program's help files.  In the case of I.E. they offer them on the way to
the
download and  again when the new version first opens.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:51 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

albert,

Please explain where one finds these explanations about the new version,
the

notes and the articles. I'm not familiar with where to look for those
things. Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

I didn't say at work I said for work which means the origin of that work
isn't relevant.  If you upgrade as the new versions are released the
learning curve is less than it would be if you waited two or three
versions.
To make an informed decision I'd think reading the release notes would
be a
plus.  Then I'd look at articles relating to the reliability of the
upgrade.
If there are features you need upgrade.  An informed consumer is the
wisest.
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:50 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Well, some of us consider what we do at home the equivalent of work,
like
me. I don't know enough about those accelerators you mentioned or
anything
besides supposedly more security (I thought they were always addressing
that, with updates) and if I have to take hours of time learning to use
this

thing just so I can keep living, I'm not eager to do that until I
absolutely

have to.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Keep in mind 8 has the ability to operate as 7 under conditions you can
define.  This allows you to take advantage of new technologies and
revert to
older means when necessary.  If no one uses it we won't get the newer
web
2.0 and other tech innovations developed because people won't be using
them.
It's a difficult decision but someone has to do it.  I wouldn't upgrade
if I
needed the browser for work.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:34 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

All versions of IE 8 will not work with JAWS 8. IE 8 only works
partially
with JAWS 9.  Even with JAWS 10 you have problems.  If you are blind do
not
upgrade to IE 8 until they work out the kinks in the program.  IE 8 is
new,
you should not be the guinee pig for new technology.

Not that many webmasters know how to utilize the new accessibility
features
in IE 8 and given the general lack of accessibility in websites to begin
with, why should you expect better?

But if you do want to keep IE 8 you could try using WebAnywhere which is
an
ARIA based screen reader.  Other than that you are out of luck.

James

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, albert griffith <
albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When you say uninstall IE 8 do you mean Yahoo's version or any
version?
> thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> IE 8 uses the new system called ARIA which is a method of describing
form
> fields under a new standard for accessibility. It makes it possible
for
> people to claim they are making their content accessible using AJAX
but
> they
> don't have to think about the practical aspects of accessible design.
The
> problem is nobody really knows how to design for this yet and so even
> though
> JAWS 10 is designed to work in this new format, they have not worked
out
> all
> the bugs.  IE 8 does not work with JAWS 8 and has serious limitations
with
> JAWS 9.
>
> The unfortunate thing is that Yahoo has completely disregarded the
blind
> and
> forced IE 8 upon all of its customers.  You have to uninstall IE 8 to
get
> your screen readers to work properly, that is the only solution.
>
> The big problem here is that designers cannot design webpages for
> accessibility under the old standards, they are hardly going to be
able to
> do it for the new standards.
>
> James Pepper
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