[gui-talk] Vanished Sent items (was An I.E. 8 inquiry:)

Sat May 9 20:04:38 UTC 2009

It could be the file got corrupted or their could be a size limitation on
the number of messages you can store in one file.  This was discussed a
while back but I don't remember what was decided.  That's allot of messages
in one folder.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:58 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: [gui-talk] Vanished Sent items (was An I.E. 8 inquiry:)

Laura,

Unfortunately, I didn't change anything in the Send tab in OE options, and I

don't think I accidentally deleted anything either. I have gone and checked.

The remaining messages in the folder are from all sorts of different times, 
and not in any particular chronological order=, as are my messages in every 
other folder of OE> Let me go back and check  how many are there out of the 
33,000 that Jaws allays said were there when I tabbed into the files  list 
view. In fact, it was so fat that it hung my computer for many seconds while

the messages reconsidtiatuee themselves from files and became familiar OE 
messages again.

Well, it sttilll announces the same glut of over 33,000 messages, but 
they're completely srambled in terms of order. No, before anyone asks, I did

nothing with the View menu regarding presentation. They aren't grouped by 
subject ("conversation") or anything. Nothing has changed in any of my menus

that I've inspected so far.

This is definitely over my head, to put it simply.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tribble" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Hmm. That's kind of scary. I do like having my sent items available as they
come in handy locating email addresses, retrieving dates when I forget how
long ago I sent a message, etc.
Did you perchance change something in the options that might have turned off
saving sent messages?
Did you do a search and then happen to hit the delete key?
I'm baffled. Hope you can retrieve them...
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

P.S.

For some reason, fir time it ever happened, my Sent Items in Outlook
Express, quite a lot of items, disappeared a couple of minutes ago except
for a random couple of emails I sent out months ago. I'm totally mystified,
as I don't understand anything about these special files and file extensions
that are the reality of OE messages. I'm not too distraught, because I just
keep the sent items kind of reflexively, as if I'll ever refer to most of
them again. But still it's spooky.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

No No.  You defined the context of my answer with your question.  You asked
about the microsoft site specifically.  I answered you within the context of
your question see below, I'll cut your question out and paste it right here.
Now, here it is.  Look at what you asked?  My answer was quite logical given
what you asked.
" So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
me?
Tjat sounds easy enough."

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

oh. I did not know you were assuming that. I really didn't. You don't say
say anything referring to it in your comments. That may not matter to you,
but for me it disconnected your remarks from anything directly to do with
the MS site. You could, for instance, have said I'd see advertising all over

the MS site. But you didn't waste a few keystrokes to fill out what you
mean, and depending on some sort of telepathy. Now I know what you thought I

ought to have inferred. It's about writing. About what you say and what you
don't say. Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Jole, your question supposed you'd be looking on the microsoft site.  My
answer taking that in to account was there'd be advertising all over meaning
the site.  You must have forgotten your question.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Please, let me ask this one more time. I'm not asking where to get it. I'm
notasking where to find tutorials on how to use it. Not in this question. In

this question, I'm only asking, again, where do you suppose I will shortly
be seeing mucho advertising for this product? You hav3e not said. Will it be

mentioned on every New York Times article page, is that what you mean? Or
when I go to the Amazon home page, it will be there right with all the
department links and the Hi Joel greetting? Or what? I'm trying to figure
out where you mean. The advertising.
Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Yes.  You'll probably see lots of advertising for it since it's new.  You
might also get the same availability through your windows update feature.  A
link should come up saying review other updates or something like that.  If
you go the route of the Ms. Web site once you press the download link you'll
see all kinds of informational material before tha actual download link.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:47 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
me?
Tjat sounds easy enough.
.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Often you'll find what's new facts in one of the first files in the
program's help files.  In the case of I.E. they offer them on the way to the
download and  again when the new version first opens.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:51 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

albert,

Please explain where one finds these explanations about the new version, the

notes and the articles. I'm not familiar with where to look for those
things. Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

I didn't say at work I said for work which means the origin of that work
isn't relevant.  If you upgrade as the new versions are released the
learning curve is less than it would be if you waited two or three versions.
To make an informed decision I'd think reading the release notes would be a
plus.  Then I'd look at articles relating to the reliability of the upgrade.
If there are features you need upgrade.  An informed consumer is the wisest.
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:50 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Well, some of us consider what we do at home the equivalent of work, like
me. I don't know enough about those accelerators you mentioned or anything
besides supposedly more security (I thought they were always addressing
that, with updates) and if I have to take hours of time learning to use this

thing just so I can keep living, I'm not eager to do that until I absolutely

have to.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Keep in mind 8 has the ability to operate as 7 under conditions you can
define.  This allows you to take advantage of new technologies and revert to
older means when necessary.  If no one uses it we won't get the newer web
2.0 and other tech innovations developed because people won't be using them.
It's a difficult decision but someone has to do it.  I wouldn't upgrade if I
needed the browser for work.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:34 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

All versions of IE 8 will not work with JAWS 8. IE 8 only works partially
with JAWS 9.  Even with JAWS 10 you have problems.  If you are blind do not
upgrade to IE 8 until they work out the kinks in the program.  IE 8 is new,
you should not be the guinee pig for new technology.

Not that many webmasters know how to utilize the new accessibility features
in IE 8 and given the general lack of accessibility in websites to begin
with, why should you expect better?

But if you do want to keep IE 8 you could try using WebAnywhere which is an
ARIA based screen reader.  Other than that you are out of luck.

James

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, albert griffith <
albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When you say uninstall IE 8 do you mean Yahoo's version or any version?
> thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> IE 8 uses the new system called ARIA which is a method of describing form
> fields under a new standard for accessibility. It makes it possible for
> people to claim they are making their content accessible using AJAX but
> they
> don't have to think about the practical aspects of accessible design.
The
> problem is nobody really knows how to design for this yet and so even
> though
> JAWS 10 is designed to work in this new format, they have not worked out
> all
> the bugs.  IE 8 does not work with JAWS 8 and has serious limitations with
> JAWS 9.
>
> The unfortunate thing is that Yahoo has completely disregarded the blind
> and
> forced IE 8 upon all of its customers.  You have to uninstall IE 8 to get
> your screen readers to work properly, that is the only solution.
>
> The big problem here is that designers cannot design webpages for
> accessibility under the old standards, they are hardly going to be able to
> do it for the new standards.
>
> James Pepper
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