[gui-talk] an I.e8 inquiry

Sat May 9 02:38:47 UTC 2009

I think most is an exaggeration of the state of web accessibility.  Yes
there are many sites not accessible but I've read the news, purchased an
album, and performed other tasks just today without difficulty.  That's
accessibility to me.  If you have another definition I'll be glad to listen.

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Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] an I.e8 inquiry

I beg to differ with you.  We can debate how many is most, but I 
think you are overstating the negative case when you say "most web 
sites are not accessible to the blind."  Many are not, I partially 
make my living looking at sites-- but to say most are not just isn't 
true.  I have been on at least a dozen sites today, to enter my time 
for work, google, Microsoft, my on-line grocery store, my 
Department's site, and more.  All of them were accessible to me.

Dave

At 07:26 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
>We can talk theory all we want but the reality out there is that most
>websites are not accessible.  Face it, most of the content in webpages is
>not accessible to the blind.  It is an intolerable situation.  There is no
>meeting of the minds between content authors and the blind and that
standard
>should be the goal of all accessibility discussions.
>
>What we need is a practical standard for accessibility where the web
>designer designs for screen readers to use their pages.  This is not
>happening now and it is a disgrace.  This is not difficult to achieve, it
is
>a matter of designing a webpage with accessibility in mind as you design
the
>page.
>
>It is when people start creating new technologies to solve the problems of
>accessibility in the future and set lofty goals but they do not make things
>accessible in the here and now and in the case of Yahoo they just went
ahead
>and updated their software without any regard to whether the blind could
use
>it or not.
>
>
>
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM, albert griffith <
>albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Allen, also, the people who need the accessibility features need to be
in a
> > position to take advantage of them as they're developed.  The only way
to
> > do
> > that is to stay current with upgrades and updates.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> > Behalf Of Hoffman, Allen
> > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:58 PM
> > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [gui-talk] an I.e8 inquiry
> >
> > James Pepper wrote:
> > The big problem here is that designers cannot design webpages for
> > accessibility under the old standards, they are hardly going to be able
> > to do it for the new standards.
> >
> > First of all, developers can code to the old standards quite well, but
> > generally do not include such coding in their standard practices.  This
> > is due to many factors, including lack of priority by those who set
> > their requirements, e.g. the guy with the money, and a general lack of
> > professional and institutional inclusion of these requirements in
> > education.  Blaming developers for something that is larger than
> > individual developer won't help, and places blame inaccurately, and in
> > the end is just too simplistic.
> >
> > The new standards, while more complex, will be more used if, developer
> > tools include them as part of standard operation, and not following such
> > accessibility standards becomes an intentional choice.  For example, if
> > a developer places an image on the page, a bubble should pop up and note
> > an alternate description is required to meet WCAG standards.
> > Additionally, if ARIA interface elements are missing appropriate
> > accessibility attributes, developers should actually have to override
> > the defaults to get them saved for publication.  Finally, most Web
> > development tools do leave traces as to their use in the background
> > commented code of a page.  once a list of tools which, if used per plan,
> > produce accessible outputs is known, one can then in theory locate
> > people who go out of their way to produce inaccessible pages.  Such
> > folks should be targeted for feedback, since not only are they not
> > meeting people with disabilities needs, but they have done so
> > intentionally, not from lack of knowledge or ability, but for some other
> > reason.
> >
> > furthermore, more emphasis must be placed on getting meeting
> > accessibility requirements in to standard IT professionals minimum
> > acceptable certification processes.  It is hard to expect we'll improve
> > overall accessibility of IT products if the people who develop and
> > invent them don't understand the needs, nor the technical solutions to
> > meet those needs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Allen Hoffman
> >
> >
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