[gui-talk] Important alert,

Kenlawrence124 at aol.com Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
Wed Mar 4 19:02:28 UTC 2009


Hi list members Yeah thanks good work I smelled a rat I think after Kim  
Komando didn't have it in her news of the day.  Think I had heard of this  web 
site before.  I'll make sure my contact knows about that.  If the  warning was 
real, does anyone know if this person was caught or if the Hacker in  question 
is in the poky by now?  
 
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of the blind to  achieve equality, opportunity, and security for the blind; to 
support the  policies and programs of the federation; and abide by its 
constitution.  

 
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Today's Topics:

1.  important alert. (Kenlawrence124 at aol.com)
2. Re: important  alert. (Joel Deutsch)
3. Re: firefox problem (James  Pepper)
4. Re: important alert. (Steve  Jacobson)
5. Re: important alert. (Joel  Deutsch)
6. off-topic: amazon.com caves in (Hoffman,  Allen)
7. FileDir Version 3.6 is now Available (Steve  Pattison)
8. EdSharp Version 3.0 is now Available (Steve  Pattison)
9. Re: important alert. (Wayne Merritt)
10. Fwd: EdSharp 3.0 and FileDir 3.6 released (David Andrews)
11.  Fwd:  article:  An Inspiring Dream For the Blind (Steve  Pattison)
12. Fwd: GW Micro CSUN Special Reception and More  New    Products
(Steve Pattison)
13. Re: Fwd: GW Micro CSUN Special Reception and More     NewProducts
(tunecollector)
14. Re:  important alert. (albert griffith)
15. Re: A Tyros Keyboard  question: (albert griffith)
16. Re: A Tyros Keyboard question:  (Steve Pattison)
17. Re: A Tyros Keyboard question: (Joel  Deutsch)
18. Re: important alert. (Joel Deutsch)
19. ms  word 2002 and jfw 9 (denise  avant)


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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:46:12 EST
From:  Kenlawrence124 at aol.com
Subject: [gui-talk] important alert.
To:  gui-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: napub at nfbnet.org
Message-ID:  <d24.426a5294.36ded4f4 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"

Hi list members I can confirm that what I'm posting  below is real and the  
sorce is credible This was forwarded to me by  a music contact please pay  
attention.         >  URGENT
> >
> >
> > THIS IS VERY  SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO EVERYONE ON YOUR
> E-MAIL LIST!!
>  >
> >  Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail  ,
> > AOL and so  on.
> >
> > This information  arrived this morning,
>  > Direct from both Microsoft and  Norton
> >
> > Please send  it to everybody you know  who has
> > Access to the Internet.
>  >
> >  You may receive an apparently harmless e-mail titled
>  'Mail  Server Report'
> >
> > If you open either file, a   message will appear on your
> screen saying: 'It is
> too late  now,  your life is no longer beautiful.'
> >
> >  Subsequently you  will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC,
> > And the  person who sent it to you  will gain access to
> your
> >  Name, e-mail and password.
>  >
> > This is a new virus  which started to circulate on
>  Saturday afternoon.
> >  AOLhas  already confirmed the seve rity,  and the anti
> virus  software's are
> not capable of destroying  it.
>  >
> > The virus has been created by a hacker who   calls
> himself
> > 'life owner'.
> >
>  >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL
> > TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS,  And ask them  to
> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!
>  >
> > THIS HAS BEEN  CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.
>  >
> > _http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_  
(http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp)  



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I pledge to  participate  actively in the efforts of the national federation 
of the blind to   achieve equality, opportunity, and security for the blind; 
to 
support  the  policies and programs of the federation; and abide by its   
constitution.
**************Need a job? Find employment help in your  area.  
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Message:  2
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:35:11 -0800
From: "Joel Deutsch"  <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important  alert.
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <87D0D0CC6F794DC5A984503F50BA73FC at D975T761>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi,

before  freaking out about this supposed current virus threat, it would be  
informative to read the information about it at Snopes.com, which  
investigates, explains and evaluates such warnings. This one originated in  
the fall of 2006, and much about it is interesting to read. here's the URL  
of the Snopes page about this virus warning. if the link takes up two  lines 
in your eamail, as it does in mine, first note where the line break  is, then 
copy and paste the entire URL into your browser's address bar,  but then look 
for the place where the line break was and make sure there's  no space there 
to break up the URL, by deleting a space if you find  one.

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp000000
00&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&
sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0-----  Original Message -----From: 
<Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: <napub at nfbnet.org>Sent: Tuesday, March  03, 
2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list members I can  
confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce is credible This was  
forwarded to me by a music contact please payattention.       >  URGENT> >> >> > 
THIS IS VERY  SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO EVERYONE ON YOUR> E-MAIL LIST!!> >>  >  
Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,> > AOL  and so  on.> >> > 
This information arrived this  morning,>  > Direct from both Microsoft and 
Norton> >>  > Please send  it to everybody you know who has> > Access to the  
Internet.>  >> > You may receive an apparently harmless  e-mail titled>  'Mail 
Server Report'> >> > If you open  either file, a  message will appear on your> 
screen saying: 'It is>  too late now,  your life is no longer beautiful.'> >> >  
Subsequently you  will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC,> > And the  person who 
sent it to you  will gain access to> your> > Name,  e-mail and password.>  >> > 
This is a new virus which started  to circulate on>  Saturday afternoon.> > 
AOLhas  already  confirmed the seve rity,  and the anti> virus software's are> 
not  capable of destroying  it.> >> > The virus has been created  by a hacker 
who  calls> himself> > 'life owner'.> >>  >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> 
> TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, And  ask them  to> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!> >> > THIS 
HAS  BEEN  CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.> >> >  
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block  
quote endI pledge to  participate actively in the efforts of the national  
federationof the blind to  achieve equality, opportunity, and security  for the 
blind;tosupport the  policies and programs of the federation; and  abide by 
itsconstitution.**************Need a job? Find empl
oyment help in  your  
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Message:  3
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:39:43 -0600
From: James Pepper  <b75205 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] firefox problem
To:  NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Firefox has a control that stops flash  video from showing automatically for
those who are photo sensitive.   That might be the problem.  Sorry don't know
how to override it but am  putting out that suggestion so that someone else
may take a shot at  it.  Internet explorer also has this control.  It is
there to  prevent seizures.

James Pepper

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM,  Allen Maynard <Maynard at hadley.edu> wrote:

> Hello,  Listers,
>
> I work at the Hadley School for the Blind in the  Computer Services
> Department.
>
> One of our online  courses, Blindness Basics, uses Flash for some of the
>  audio.
>
> Some students who are using Firefox have reported to me  that when they
> try to submit a Blindness Basics assignment, they  receive the message
> that they cannot submit because they have already  submitted this
> assignment, but it has been only the first time they  have tried to
> submit said assignment.
>
> I downloaded  Firefox version 3.06 and I was able to duplicate this
>  problem.
>
> Does anyone know why Firefox apparently has this  problem?  When I got
> this error message I was using a PC with  Windows XP-Professional.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>  Allen Maynard
> Access Technology Specialist
> Computer Services  Department
> Hadley School for the Blind
> Phone:   toll-free:  800-323-4238
> Email:  allen at hadley.edu
>  Web Site:  www.hadley.edu
>
>
>
>
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Message:  4
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:44:02 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson"  <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important  alert.
To: "NAPUB Mailing List" <napub at nfbnet.org>,     "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing
List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <auto-000013794086 at mailback1.g2host.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

I'd like to add to what Joel advises here.   Usually you don't need to even 
go to Snopes but only check for a couple of  things to figure out if a warning 
is real or not.

If a warning tells  you to "send it to everyone you know," you should be 
suspicious.  Most  reasonable people would trust you to know to whom you should 
send such 
a  warning.

When generic terms like "this morning" without day or date are  used, it 
should strike you that this could have been written three years ago  and would 
still sound just 
as urgent.  There should be a specific  date given.

If it mentions companies without any contact names, again  be suspicious.

In this case, if it says "norton" instead of Symantec,  the company that 
produces it, that should be a pretty good sign that somebody  is misleading you.

Finally, the important thing isn't who forwarded it  to any of us, but 
whether we can tell who wrote the original note.  We  have all forwarded things like 
this when we 
were starting out so the  person who forwarded this to Ken is probably very 
reliable.  If you don't  know the name of the person who wrote the original 
note, though, be  
suspicious.  There is always some point where the forward list stops  so you 
can't tell who wrote the note and they never claim credit in the body  of the 
note.  The 
forwarder may be reliable, but the original author  is into hiding and 
thinking about the millions of copies of his or here  warning are going all over the 
world.  

Definitely check with  Snopes or something before forwarding warnings as Joel 
suggests, but if any of  the above are true, I don't even bother with that 
any longer.

Best  regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:35:11 -0800, Joel  Deutsch wrote:

>Hi,

>before freaking out about this  supposed current virus threat, it would be 
>informative to read the  information about it at Snopes.com, which 
>investigates, explains and  evaluates such warnings. This one originated in 
>the fall of 2006, and  much about it is interesting to read. here's the URL 
>of the Snopes  page about this virus warning. if the link takes up two lines 
>in your  eamail, as it does in mine, first note where the line break is, 
then  
>copy and paste the entire URL into your browser's address bar, but  then 
look 
>for the place where the line break was and make sure there's  no space there 
>to break up the URL, by deleting a space if you find  one.

>  
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1
&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0-----  Original Message -----From: 
<Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: <napub at nfbnet.org>Sent: 
Tuesday,  March 03, 2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list 
members I  can confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce is 
credible This  
was forwarded to me by a music contact please payattention.     >  URGENT> >> 
>> > THIS IS VERY  SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO EVERYONE ON YOUR> 
E-MAIL LIST!!>  >> >  Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,>  
> AOL and so  on.> >> > This information arrived this  morning,>  > Direct 
from both 
Microsoft and Norton> >>  > Please send  it to everybody you know who has> > 
Access to the  Internet.>  >> > You may receive an apparently harmless  e-mail 
titled>  
'Mail Server Report'> >> > If you open  either file, a  message will appear 
on your> screen saying: 'It is>  too late now,  your life is no longer 
beautiful.'> >> >  
Subsequently you  will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC,> > And the  person who 
sent it to you  will gain access to> your> > Name,  e-mail and password.>  >> > 
This is a new virus which  started to circulate on>  Saturday afternoon.> > 
AOLhas   already confirmed the seve rity,  and the anti> virus software's  are> 
not capable 
of destroying  it.> >> > The virus  has been created by a hacker who  calls> 
himself> > 'life  owner'.> >> >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> > TO  ALL 
YOUR FRIENDS, And ask them  to> > PASS IT ON  IMMEDIATELY!> >> > THIS HAS 
BEEN  CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.>  >> >  
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/co
mputer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block  quote endI pledge to  participate actively 
in the efforts of the  national federationof the blind to  achieve equality, 
opportunity, and  security for the blind;tosupport the  policies and programs 
of the  federation; 
and abide by itsconstitution.**************Need a job? Find  employment help 
in your  area.(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?
query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)__________________________
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Message:  5
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:28:16 -0800
From: "Joel Deutsch"  <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important  alert.
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <85E2A389A5FA46F090129042E6E1CE90 at D975T761>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

I agree with everything  Steve says, and I wouldn't have bothered with Snopes 
myself because 1.  he's right about the warning signals that something may 
well be bogus and  2. because a warning almost identical to this one in its 
wording got  forwarded to a young middle school friend of mine who's 
inexperienced in  stuff like this, and she passed it on to me as well as to 
other friends.  So that time, instead of asking her to trust me about why the 
warning was  probably worthless, I checked it out myself at Snopes and then 
sent her  the Snopes URL so she could see for herself not only this specific  
information but a resource to which she could turn when such things came  to 
her in the future. So now she's the virus hoax guru of her 7th grade  class, 
I guess. How cool is that.


----- Original Message -----  
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "NAPUB  Mailing List" <napub at nfbnet.org>; "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  
<gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:44  PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.


I'd like to add to  what Joel advises here.  Usually you don't need to even 
go to Snopes  but only check for a couple of things to figure out if a 
warning is real  or not.

If a warning tells you to "send it to everyone you know," you  should be 
suspicious.  Most reasonable people would trust you to know  to whom you 
should send such
a warning.

When generic terms like  "this morning" without day or date are used, it 
should strike you that  this could have been written three years ago and 
would still sound  just
as urgent.  There should be a specific date given.

If it  mentions companies without any contact names, again be suspicious.

In  this case, if it says "norton" instead of Symantec, the company that  
produces it, that should be a pretty good sign that somebody is misleading  
you.

Finally, the important thing isn't who forwarded it to any of  us, but 
whether we can tell who wrote the original note.  We have all  forwarded 
things like this when we
were starting out so the person who  forwarded this to Ken is probably very 
reliable.  If you don't know  the name of the person who wrote the original 
note, though,  be
suspicious.  There is always some point where the forward list  stops so you 
can't tell who wrote the note and they never claim credit in  the body of the 
note.  The
forwarder may be reliable, but the  original author is into hiding and 
thinking about the millions of copies  of his or here warning are going all 
over the world.

Definitely  check with Snopes or something before forwarding warnings as Joel 
 
suggests, but if any of the above are true, I don't even bother with that  
any longer.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 3  Mar 2009 11:35:11 -0800, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>Hi,

>before  freaking out about this supposed current virus threat, it would  be
>informative to read the information about it at Snopes.com,  which
>investigates, explains and evaluates such warnings. This one  originated in
>the fall of 2006, and much about it is interesting to  read. here's the URL
>of the Snopes page about this virus warning. if  the link takes up two lines
>in your eamail, as it does in mine, first  note where the line break is, 
>then
>copy and paste the entire  URL into your browser's address bar, but then 
>look
>for the  place where the line break was and make sure there's no space there
>to  break up the URL, by deleting a space if you find one.

>  
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1
&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0-----  Original Message -----From: 
<Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: <napub at nfbnet.org>Sent:
Tuesday, March  03, 2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list 
members I can  confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce is 
credible  This
was forwarded to me by a music contact please payattention.   > 
URGENT> >> >> > THIS IS  VERY SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO EVERYONE ON YOUR>
E-MAIL LIST!!>  >> >  Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,>  
> 
AOL and so  on.> >> > This information arrived this  morning,>  > Direct from 
both
Microsoft and Norton>  >> > Please send  it to everybody you know who has> >  
Access to the Internet.>  >> > You may receive an  apparently harmless e-mail 
titled>
'Mail Server Report'> >>  > If you open either file, a  message will appear 
on your>  screen saying: 'It is> too late now,  your life is no longer  
beautiful.'> >> >
Subsequently you  will LOSE  EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC,> > And the person who 
sent it to you   will gain access to> your> > Name, e-mail and password.>   
>> 
>
This is a new virus which started to circulate  on>  Saturday afternoon.> > 
AOLhas  already confirmed  the seve rity,  and the anti> virus software's 
are> not  capable
of destroying  it.> >> > The virus has been  created by a hacker who  calls> 
himself> > 'life owner'.>  >> >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> > TO ALL
YOUR  FRIENDS, And ask them  to> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!> >>  > THIS HAS 
BEEN  CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.> >>  >
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/co
mputer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block  
quote endI pledge to  participate actively
in the efforts of the  national federationof the blind to  achieve equality, 
opportunity,  and security for the blind;tosupport the  policies and programs 
of  the federation;
and abide by itsconstitution.**************Need a job? Find  employment help 
in your  area.(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?
query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)__________________________
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Message: 6
Date:  Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:56:56 -0500
From: "Hoffman, Allen"  <Allen.Hoffman at dhs.gov>
Subject: [gui-talk] off-topic: amazon.com  caves in
To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
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Just to wrap up a  bit.

1.  Someone wrote that you'll never get the last one  approved.
Referring to copyrights being based in part on equal  access.  I'm not so
sure, but it's worth using as a starting  position.

2.  someone wrote that this is an educational and  industry gap, noting
that a book would help resolve it.  This is  partially true, but the
industry didn't know how to provide safe  automobiles either until they
were forced to increase safety, and also gas  mileage.  Unless folks are
told that some things are not negotiable,  they will be.

While accessibility is a culture change, the gain must be  greater than
the pain, and sometimes government has to impose the pain to  achieve the
gain.  Its not lack of education, its lack of  interest.  amazon.com is
just allowing their equipment to be  transparent regarding copyrights so
I really don't have a problem with  that--its the basis in copyrights law
that is the problem.  The whole  concept that the government should
extend force of law in protection of  intellectual property for some who
don't also provide equal access seems  ridiculous on the surface of it to
me.  If people demanded that IT  products produce accessible outputs the
IT industry would sit up and pay  more notice.







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Message:  7
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:56 +1100
From: "Steve Pattison"  <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] FileDir Version 3.6 is now  Available
To: "Access-L" <access-l at access-l.com>, "vip-l"
<vip-l at softspeak.com.au>,    "GW Info"  <gw-info at gwmicro.com>
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Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

FileDir version 3.6 is  now available and a direct link to the file is  
www.empowermentzone.com/dirsetup.exe.  For those not familiar with  FileDir it is a 
very good file manager designed to work with screen  readers.  Here are the 
changes in this version:

Version  3.6
March 3, 2009

The unzip commands are now broader, unarchive  commands that work with almost 
any archive format, including .rar, .tar, .gz,  .bz2, .chm, .cab, and .wepm 
(a Window-Eyes script package that is the same  format as .cab).  FileDir does 
this with the free 7Zip utility behind the  scenes, which is also available 
independently  at
http://7zip.com

Although any archive may be viewed or extracted,  it is still the case that 
only a zip archive may be created or  modified.

The What command, invoked with a question mark, now says the  number of items 
in an archive or subfolder before saying their names.  As  before, the Output 
Text command, Shift+O, converts other file formats to  text.  It now does 
this with an updated conversion tool  (GetText.exe).

Inquire Differences, Alt+Shift+I, is a new command for  comparing files in 
two folders.  The current folder is considered the  source.  You are prompted 
for a target folder.  FileDir generates a  report in structured text format and 
prompts you for where to save it.   The default name is Report.txt in the 
current folder.  The report  contains three sections:  common target files, 
missing target files, and  additional target files.  The first section lists target 
file names that  also exist in the source folder, and indicates whether each 
is newer, older,  or current (a time stamp comparison), as well whether it is 
larger, smaller,  or equal (a size comparison).  The second section lists file 
names that  are missing in the target folder.  The third section lists 
additional  file names found in the target folder.

For maximum functionality of  FileDir under Windows Vista, you may wish to 
configure it to "run as  administrator."  One way of doing this is by modifying 
the FileDir  shortcut on the desktop.  Press Alt+Enter to open its properties, 
choose  the Advanced button, and mark the checkbox to require administrative  
priviledges.  Otherwise, for example, the ability to view or change files  
under the directory tree 
C:\Program Files
will be considerably  restricted.

Regards Steve
Email:   srp at internode.on.net
Windows Live Messenger:   internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype:   steve1963

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Message: 8
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:13:05 +1100
From: "Steve Pattison"  <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] EdSharp Version 3.0 is now  Available
To: "Access-L" <access-l at access-l.com>, "vip-l"
<vip-l at softspeak.com.au>,    "GW Info"  <gw-info at gwmicro.com>
Message-ID:  <ECE62917D85B4360BD67A78E6B74E0E2 at userPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

EdSharp version 3.0 is  now available and a direct link to the file is at  
www.empowermentzone.com/edsetup.exe.  For those people not familiar with  
EdSharp it is a very powerful text editor designed to work with screen  readers.  
Here are the changes in this version:

Version  3.0
March 3, 2009

When saving text to a file, EdSharp now checks  whether any character has a 
Unicode number greater than 255, which means that  more than one byte is needed 
to represent it.  If so, the file is saved  with a UTF-8 encoding, the most 
common form of Unicode for storing files on  disk.  Otherwise, the default 
encoding of the computer is used, e.g.,  Latin 1.

Several enhancements are designed to increase the efficiency  of managing 
indentation with a screen reader.  The need is motivated by  coding in the Python 
language.  Although a friendly language in other  ways, its "significant 
white space requirement" is inherently challenging to  nonvisual users.  
Indentation is a recommended style in most programming  languages, but in Python, it is 
required for the code to run.  Other  languages, moreover, often have 
utilities for automatically reformatting code  according to common conventions.  In 
Python, a change in indentation  denotes the end of a code block rather than a 
keyword like EndIf, or a }  symbol.  Thus, when reading normally by line with 
a screen reader, the  structure of code is not indicated.  Instead, one often 
has to check the  indentation to clarify logical understanding.

The EdSharp commands to  find a matching right brace, left brace, or to check 
brace balance have been  reassigned from key combinations with the B key to 
ones with bracket  keys:  Control+Shift+RightBracket, 
Control+Shift+LeftBracket, and  Alt+Shift+RightBracket, respectively.  To eliminate key conflicts, the  
EdSharp installer includes a checkbox to remove previous settings, which is  
checked by default.

You can now press Control+B to go to the next code  block, or Control+Shift+B 
to go to the previous one.  A block is defined  as lines with the same or 
greater indentation/nesting.  Control+I and  Control+Shift+I have a similar 
purpose, but they move to the next or previous  change in indentation, so they stop 
at nested blocks.  EdSharp skips  blank or commented lines with these 
commands.  

Thus, Control+I  will stop at a nested block, whereas Control+B will not, 
since it continues  past lines with greater indentation.  For example, if the 
cursor is  inside a loop block, then Control+I will go to the line at the closing 
of the  loop where a lower level of indentation resumes.  In Ruby, this would 
be  the line with the word "end".  In Python, it would be the first line of  
code following the loop, since the change in indentation, itself, indicates  
the end of the loop.  

The related query commands, Alt+B and  Alt+I, help you understand code 
groupings without moving the cursor.   They are examples of a new EdSharp feature 
where a key can have an alternate  action if pressed twice in a row without 
moving the cursor.  Alt+B says  the rest of the current block, beginning at the 
current line.  When  toggled with a second press, it says the whole block, 
including lines prior to  the current one, if any.  Alt+I says the indentation 
level of the current  line.  When toggled, it reads the text of the preceding line 
with less  indentation, which is typically the statement that introduced the 
current  block, e.g., an if, for, or while statement.  These commands are best 
 learned by experimenting with familiar code.

Use the Infer Indent  command, Alt+RightBracket, to hear what indent unit the 
current document seems  to be using.  EdSharp looks at the first line that 
starts with a space or  tab character.  If this key is pressed again without 
moving the cursor,  that sequence of space or tab characters is configured as 
EdSharp's IndentUnit  setting.  This makes it easy to use the same indentation 
style as a file  you have opened.

Other keys with alternate actions spell a message when  pressed a second 
time.  These include Say Open Windows (Shift+F4),  Selected Text (Shift+Space), 
Chunk (Shift+Backspace), Path (Alt+P), and  Clipboard (Alt+Apostrophe).

Regards Steve
Email:   srp at internode.on.net
Windows Live Messenger:   internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype:   steve1963

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Message: 9
Date:  Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:44:55 -0600
From: Wayne Merritt  <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.
To:  NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:
<f0b53360903031544v1610c8ffn46e8f1a1c3711ec6 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

In addition, if you read the warning  carefully, you will see certain
words that are run together, such as,  "AOLhas." It seems that if this
were a real warning, then it would have  been written like one, and not
have grammar/spelling errors in it such as  the above.

Wayne

On 3/3/09, Joel Deutsch  <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> I agree with everything Steve  says, and I wouldn't have bothered with 
Snopes
> myself because 1. he's  right about the warning signals that something may
> well be bogus and  2. because a warning almost identical to this one in its
> wording got  forwarded to a young middle school friend of mine who's
> inexperienced  in stuff like this, and she passed it on to me as well as to
> other  friends. So that time, instead of asking her to trust me about why 
the
>  warning was probably worthless, I checked it out myself at Snopes and  then
> sent her the Snopes URL so she could see for herself not only  this specific
> information but a resource to which she could turn when  such things came to
> her in the future. So now she's the virus hoax  guru of her 7th grade class,
> I guess. How cool is  that.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "NAPUB Mailing  List" <napub at nfbnet.org>; "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"
>  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:44  PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.
>
>
>  I'd like to add to what Joel advises here.  Usually you don't need to  even
> go to Snopes but only check for a couple of things to figure out  if a
> warning is real or not.
>
> If a warning tells you to  "send it to everyone you know," you should be
> suspicious.  Most  reasonable people would trust you to know to whom you
> should send  such
> a warning.
>
> When generic terms like "this morning"  without day or date are used, it
> should strike you that this could  have been written three years ago and
> would still sound just
>  as urgent.  There should be a specific date given.
>
> If it  mentions companies without any contact names, again be  suspicious.
>
> In this case, if it says "norton" instead of  Symantec, the company that
> produces it, that should be a pretty good  sign that somebody is misleading
> you.
>
> Finally, the  important thing isn't who forwarded it to any of us, but
> whether we  can tell who wrote the original note.  We have all forwarded
>  things like this when we
> were starting out so the person who forwarded  this to Ken is probably very
> reliable.  If you don't know the  name of the person who wrote the original
> note, though, be
>  suspicious.  There is always some point where the forward list stops so  
you
> can't tell who wrote the note and they never claim credit in the  body of 
the
> note.  The
> forwarder may be reliable, but the  original author is into hiding and
> thinking about the millions of  copies of his or here warning are going all
> over the  world.
>
> Definitely check with Snopes or something before  forwarding warnings as 
Joel
> suggests, but if any of the above are  true, I don't even bother with that
> any longer.
>
> Best  regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009  11:35:11 -0800, Joel Deutsch  wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>before freaking out about  this supposed current virus threat, it would be
>>informative to read  the information about it at Snopes.com, which
>>investigates,  explains and evaluates such warnings. This one originated in
>>the  fall of 2006, and much about it is interesting to read. here's the  URL
>>of the Snopes page about this virus warning. if the link takes  up two lines
>>in your eamail, as it does in mine, first note where  the line break is,
>>then
>>copy and paste the entire URL  into your browser's address bar, but then
>>look
>>for the  place where the line break was and make sure there's no space  
there
>>to break up the URL, by deleting a space if you find  one.
>
>>  
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1
>  &sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0----- Original Message  -----From:
> <Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: 
<napub at nfbnet.org>Sent:
> Tuesday,  March 03, 2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list
>  members I can confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce  is
> credible This
> was forwarded to me by a music contact please  payattention.          >
> URGENT>  >> >> > THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO EVERYONE ON  YOUR>
> E-MAIL LIST!!> >> >  Anyone-using Internet  mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,> 
>
> AOL and so  on.>  >> > This information arrived this morning,>  > Direct  
from
> both
> Microsoft and Norton> >> > Please  send  it to everybody you know who has> >
> Access to the  Internet.>  >> > You may receive an apparently harmless  
e-mail
> titled>
> 'Mail Server Report'> >> > If  you open either file, a  message will appear
> on your> screen  saying: 'It is> too late now,  your life is no longer
>  beautiful.'> >> >
> Subsequently you  will LOSE  EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC,> > And the person who
> sent it to  you  will gain access to> your> > Name, e-mail and  password.>  
>>
>  >
> This is a new virus  which started to circulate on>  Saturday afternoon.> >
>  AOLhas  already confirmed the seve rity,  and the anti> virus  software's
> are> not capable
> of destroying  it.>  >> > The virus has been created by a hacker who   
calls>
> himself> > 'life owner'.> >> >   PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> > TO ALL
> YOUR FRIENDS, And  ask them  to> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!> >> > THIS  HAS
> BEEN  CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.> >> >
>  
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block
>  quote endI pledge to  participate actively
> in the efforts of the  national federationof the blind to  achieve equality,
>  opportunity, and security for the blind;tosupport the  policies and  
programs
> of the federation;
> and abide by  itsconstitution.**************Need a job? Find employment help
> in your  area.(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?
>  
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Message:  10
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:03:15 -0600
From: David Andrews  <dandrews at visi.com>
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: EdSharp 3.0 and FileDir  3.6 released
To:
promotion-technology at nfbnet.org,gui-talk at nfbnet.org,nfbcs at nfbnet.org,
Message-ID:  <auto-000091359440 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
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>
>EdSharp, an editor,  and FileDir, a file manager, are free, open source
>applications that  are feature-competitive with most commercial
>equivalents.  Unlike  such alternatives, they incorporate screen reader
>usability as an  integral part of their designs.  Below are the  latest
>improvements, tested under Windows XP and  Vista.
>
>Jamal
>
>  EdSharp  3.0
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
>
>When saving  text to a file, EdSharp now checks whether any character has a
>Unicode  number greater than 255, which means that more than one byte is
>needed  to represent it.  If so, the file is saved with a UTF-8  encoding,
>the most common form of Unicode for storing files on  disk.  Otherwise, the
>default encoding of the computer is used,  e.g., Latin 1.
>
>Several enhancements are designed to increase  the efficiency of managing
>indentation with a screen reader.  The  need is motivated by coding in the
>Python language.  Although a  friendly language in other ways, its
>"significant white space  requirement" is inherently challenging to
>nonvisual users.   Indentation is a recommended style in most programming
>languages, but  in Python, it is required for the code to run.  Other
>languages,  moreover, often have utilities for automatically reformatting
>code  according to common conventions.  In Python, a change in  indentation
>denotes the end of a code block rather than a keyword like  EndIf, or a }
>symbol.  Thus, when reading normally by line with a  screen reader, the
>structure of code is not indicated.  Instead,  one often has to check the
>indentation to clarify logical  understanding.
>
>The EdSharp commands to find a matching right  brace, left brace, or to
>check brace balance have been reassigned from  key combinations with the B
>key to ones with bracket keys:   Control+Shift+RightBracket,
>Control+Shift+LeftBracket, and  Alt+Shift+RightBracket, respectively.  To
>eliminate key conflicts,  the EdSharp installer includes a checkbox to
>remove previous settings,  which is checked by default.
>
>You can now press Control+B to go  to the next code block, or
>Control+Shift+B to go to the previous  one.  A block is defined as lines
>with the same or greater  indentation/nesting.  Control+I and
>Control+Shift+I have a similar  purpose, but they move to the next or
>previous change in indentation,  so they stop at nested blocks.  EdSharp
>skips blank or commented  lines with these commands.
>
>Thus, Control+I will stop at a  nested block, whereas Control+B will not,
>since it continues past lines  with greater indentation.  For example, if
>the cursor is inside a  loop block, then Control+I will go to the line at
>the closing of the  loop where a lower level of indentation resumes.  In
>Ruby, this  would be the line with the word "end".  In Python, it would be
>the  first line of code following the loop, since the change in
>indentation,  itself, indicates the end of the loop.
>
>The related query  commands, Alt+B and Alt+I, help you understand code
>groupings without  moving the cursor.  They are examples of a new EdSharp
>feature  where a key can have an alternate action if pressed twice in a  row
>without moving the cursor.  Alt+B says the rest of the current  block,
>beginning at the current line.  When toggled with a second  press, it says
>the whole block, including lines prior to the current  one, if any.  Alt+I
>says the indentation level of the current  line.  When toggled, it reads
>the text of the preceding line with  less indentation, which is typically
>the statement that introduced the  current block, e.g., an if, for, or
>while statement.  These  commands are best learned by experimenting with
>familiar  code.
>
>Use the Infer Indent command, Alt+RightBracket, to hear  what indent unit
>the current document seems to be using.  EdSharp  looks at the first line
>that starts with a space or tab  character.  If this key is pressed again
>without moving the  cursor, that sequence of space or tab characters is
>configured as  EdSharp's IndentUnit setting.  This makes it easy to use the
>same  indentation style as a file you have opened.
>
>Other keys with  alternate actions spell a message when pressed a second
>time.   These include Say Open Windows (Shift+F4), Selected Text
>(Shift+Space),  Chunk (Shift+Backspace), Path (Alt+P), and  Clipboard
>(Alt+Apostrophe).
>----------
>
>FileDir  3.6
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/dirsetup.exe
>
>The  unzip-related commands have been transformed into broader,  unarchive
>commands that work with almost any archive format, including  .rar, .tar,
>.gz, .bz2, .chm, .cab, and .wepm (a Window-Eyes script  package that is the
>same format as .cab).  FileDir does this with  the free 7Zip utility behind
>the scenes, which is also available  independently at
>http://7zip.com
>
>Although any archive  may be viewed or extracted, it is still the case that
>only a zip  archive may be created or modified.
>
>The What command, invoked  with a question mark, now says the number of
>items in an archive or  subfolder before saying their names.  As before,
>the Output Text  command, Shift+O, converts other file formats to text.  It
>now  does this with an updated conversion tool  (GetText.exe).
>
>Inquire Differences, Alt+Shift+I, is a new  command for comparing files in
>two folders.  The current folder is  considered the source.  You are
>prompted for a target  folder.  FileDir generates a report in structured
>text format and  prompts you for where to save it.  The default name is
>Report.txt  in the current folder.  The report contains three sections:
>common  target files, missing target files, and additional target files.
>The  first section lists target file names that also exist in the  source
>folder, and indicates whether each is newer, older, or current  (a time
>stamp comparison), as well whether it is larger, smaller, or  equal (a size
>comparison).  The second section lists file names  that are missing in the
>target folder.  The third section lists  additional file names found in the
>target folder.
>
>For  maximum functionality of FileDir under Windows Vista, you may wish  to
>configure it to "run as administrator."  One way of doing this  is by
>modifying the FileDir shortcut on the desktop.  Press  Alt+Enter to open
>its properties, choose the Advanced button, and mark  the checkbox to
>require administrative priviledges.  Otherwise,  for example, the ability
>to view or change files under the directory  tree
>C:\Program Files
>will be considerably  restricted.
>
>----------
>End of  Document




------------------------------

Message:  11
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:00:49 +1100
From: "Steve Pattison"  <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd:  article:   An Inspiring Dream For the Blind
To: "Access-L"  <access-l at access-l.com>
Message-ID:  <5B7022763BA340AE9F61AC5926E01AFD at userPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

An Inspiring Dream For  the Blind
Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:29 AM by Sarika Dani From  Josh 
Weiner,
TODAY producer

Imagine losing your vision - and  finding a way to ski, sail, bike and
continue all your passions. It sounds  impossible, right? Not if you're 
Ed
Gallagher. I met Ed recently for  our TODAY story. Inspiring is the word 
sums
up this his outlook on  life.

Ed grew up near a Michigan lake, and he jokes that he "sailed"  out of 
his
mother's womb. A building contractor by profession, Ed  always embraced 
the
outdoors his entire life. Sailing became an  integral part of his 
routine.
But in his late 40s, Ed was diagnosed  with a degenerative eye disease. 
His
vision began to fade slowly over  several years, and he feared his 
sailing
days were over. But Ed, 57,  who now lives in San Francisco, came across 
a
group called BAADS - The  Bay Area Association of Disabled Sailors. The 
club
is a comprised of  folks who have all types of disabilities, but with the
help of one another  and many able-bodied volunteers, organized regular
sailing ventures in the  beautiful bay water.

Then Ed came up with an amazing idea he calls  "Genoa Connections." Named
after his beloved guide dog, it's a seemingly  simple, yet brilliantly 
clever
remote guidance system. Ed mounts a  web-camera to a strap around his
forehead, and the camera wirelessly  transmits the live video over the
Internet using free software called  Skype. Ed's friends take turns 
acting as
his guide. Both wear  microphones and earpieces, and talk back and forth 
as
the guide tells  Ed what he's "seeing." He's testing the barriers, and
regularly uses it to  sail, but also tries shopping, cross country skiing 
and
even biking in  Golden Gate park.

Ed has started an organization where he hopes to  refine and mass-produce 
his
system, so other blind people all around  the world can use it too. 
Certainly
it's not going to replace the  time-tested travel tools like a white cane 
or
guide dog (which already  enable the blind to get around independently). 
But
Ed believes it can  greatly augment the lives of the blind and vision
impaired through  advancing technology.

His dream doesn't end there. Ideally, Ed says,  homebound individuals,
through a government agency, like the Department of  Rehabilitation, 
would
serve as the guides. That way it's a win-win. And  according to Ed, the
experience is just as rewarding for the guide as for  the blind person. 
When
our correspondent, Jenna Wolfe, told Ed he seems  like someone who always 
see
the glass-half-full, he paused. Then,  grinning,  he responded, "that's 
what
my mother always said!"  Watch video  here.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/27047025

Regards  Steve
Email:  srp at internode.on.net
Windows Live Messenger:   internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype:  steve1963  




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Message: 12
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:27:34 +1100
From: "Steve Pattison"  <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: GW Micro CSUN Special  Reception and More New
Products
To: "Access-L"  <access-l at access-l.com>,    "vip-l"
<vip-l at softspeak.com.au>
Message-ID:  <552FDB3EBC784D8B8A773E2242AE4A88 at userPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

CSUN Special Reception  and More New ProductsFrom: dan at gwmicro.com
To:  gw-info at gwmicro.com



Greetings,

The following event has  been posted to the GW Micro Upcoming Events page:

Name: CSUN Special  Reception and More New Products
When: Wednesday, March 18, 2009
What:  Announcements and Reception
Who: GW Micro and HIMS staff
Comments:  Please come and be our guest at a very special reception at the 
CSUN  Conference, hosted by GW Micro Inc. and HIMS Co. LTD, Wednesday, March 18, 
 2009 in the Executive Suite III on the 18th floor of the LAX Marriott Hotel. 
 The reception begins at 7:00 PM and will last until 9:00 PM.

We have  been very busy with new developments and so just like last year, we 
are making  several special announcements. Make no mistake - you will not want 
to miss  this event.

There is limited space available and we are providing  refreshments so we 
must use the first-come, first-served method. If you would  like to attend please 
send an email to me, dan at gwmicro.com and I will add your  name to our guest 
list, space permitting. I hope to see you there.

For  our friends that cannot attend CSUN, rest assured that we will make our  
announcements public via our email lists.

One more reminder - don't  forget to RSVP if you wish to attend.

Regards Steve
Email:   srp at internode.on.net
Windows Live Messenger:   internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype:   steve1963

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Message: 13
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:53:45 -0800
From: "tunecollector"  <tunecollector at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: GW Micro  CSUN Special Reception and More
NewProducts
To: "'NFBnet  GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <006201c99cbf$dff0da00$bf01a8c0 at computer>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

What are the dates of the  CSUN Adaptive Equipment Show?  I thought it was
the week following the  date mentioned in this post.

-----Original Message-----
From:  gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf  Of Steve Pattison
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:28 PM
To: Access-L;  vip-l
Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: GW Micro CSUN Special Reception and  More
NewProducts

CSUN Special Reception and More New ProductsFrom:  dan at gwmicro.com
To:  gw-info at gwmicro.com



Greetings,

The following event has  been posted to the GW Micro Upcoming Events page:

Name: CSUN Special  Reception and More New Products
When: Wednesday, March 18, 2009
What:  Announcements and Reception
Who: GW Micro and HIMS staff
Comments:  Please come and be our guest at a very special reception at the
CSUN  Conference, hosted by GW Micro Inc. and HIMS Co. LTD, Wednesday, March
18,  2009 in the Executive Suite III on the 18th floor of the LAX  Marriott
Hotel. The reception begins at 7:00 PM and will last until 9:00  PM.

We have been very busy with new developments and so just like last  year, we
are making several special announcements. Make no mistake - you  will not
want to miss this event.

There is limited space available  and we are providing refreshments so we
must use the first-come,  first-served method. If you would like to attend
please send an email to  me, dan at gwmicro.com and I will add your name to our
guest list, space  permitting. I hope to see you there.

For our friends that cannot attend  CSUN, rest assured that we will make our
announcements public via our email  lists.

One more reminder - don't forget to RSVP if you wish to  attend.

Regards Steve
Email:  srp at internode.on.net
Windows  Live Messenger:  internetuser383 at hotmail.com
Skype:   steve1963
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Message:  14
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:17:31 -0500
From: "albert griffith"  <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important  alert.
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <003301c99ccb$9368c1a0$ba3a44e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

To avoid traffic these alerts should be first  sent to the list moderator.
Then, the moderator can only send on  announcement to the list if he/she
wants to.

-----Original  Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org  [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent:  Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:35 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing  List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.

Hi,

before  freaking out about this supposed current virus threat, it would be  
informative to read the information about it at Snopes.com, which  
investigates, explains and evaluates such warnings. This one originated in  
the fall of 2006, and much about it is interesting to read. here's the URL  
of the Snopes page about this virus warning. if the link takes up two  lines 
in your eamail, as it does in mine, first note where the line break  is, then

copy and paste the entire URL into your browser's address bar,  but then look

for the place where the line break was and make sure  there's no space there 
to break up the URL, by deleting a space if you  find  one.


http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp0000
0000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=
any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0-----  Original Message -----From:
<Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: <napub at nfbnet.org>Sent:
Tuesday, March  03, 2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list
members I can  confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce is
credible This  was forwarded to me by a music contact please payattention.
>   URGENT> >> >> > THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO  EVERYONE ON YOUR>
E-MAIL LIST!!> >> >  Anyone-using  Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,> >
AOL and so  on.>  >> > This information arrived this morning,>  > Direct  from
both Microsoft and Norton> >> > Please send  it to  everybody you know who
has> > Access to the Internet.>   >> > You may receive an apparently harmless
e-mail  titled>  'Mail Server Report'> >> > If you open either  file, a
message will appear on your> screen saying: 'It is> too late  now,  your life
is no longer beautiful.'> >> >  Subsequently you  will LOSE EVERYTHING IN
YOUR PC,> > And the  person who sent it to you  will gain access to> your> >
Name,  e-mail and password.>  >> > This is a new virus which started  to
circulate on>  Saturday afternoon.> > AOLhas  already  confirmed the seve
rity,  and the anti> virus software's are>  not capable of destroying  it.>
>> > The virus has been  created by a hacker who  calls> himself> > 'life
owner'.>  >> >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> > TO ALL YOUR  FRIENDS, And
ask them  to> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!>  >> > THIS HAS BEEN  CONFIRMED BY
SNOPES.> >>  >
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/
computer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block  quote endI pledge to  participate
actively in the efforts of the  national federationof the blind to  achieve
equality, opportunity, and  security for the blind;tosupport the  policies
and programs of the  federation; and abide by
itsconstitution.**************Need a job?  F!
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Message:  15
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:23:30 -0500
From: "albert griffith"  <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros  Keyboard question:
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <003501c99ccc$6990d290$3cb277b0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

What is a Tyros  keyboard?

-----Original Message-----
From:  gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf  Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:14 AM
To: NFBnet GUI  Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard  question:

What is what?

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI  Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03,  2009 4:35 AM
Subject: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard question:


What  is this?  I first heard about it in a message about Main Menu but  I've
never heard of it before.   thanks
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Message:  16
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:29:27 +1100
From: "Steve Pattison"  <srp at internode.on.net>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard  question:
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <252A9FD13C224FEEB288A333D562F02B at userPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Albert,

A Tyros  keyboard is an electronic musical instrument.  I've never seen 
one  personally though.

Regards Steve.

From: albert griffith  albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List  gui-talk at nfbnet.org

What is a Tyros keyboard?

Regards  Steve
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Message: 17
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:45:32 -0800
From: "Joel Deutsch"  <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard  question:
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <F0FB984BFDDE4519BECAB8D2F846DE3C at D975T761>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

Well, a tyro means a  beginner, or a newbie in our slang of the day. I never 
heard of some  product called a Tyro Keyboard. So maybe the person means's he 
or she is  new to typing, or new to computing? or maybe, without my knowing 
it, an  unusual keyboard that's supposed to be easier for beginners to learn 
to  use is on the market? Hope someone explains.
Hope has pero
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith"  <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:23  AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard question:


What is a  Tyros keyboard?

-----Original Message-----
From:  gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf  Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:14 AM
To: NFBnet GUI  Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard  question:

What is what?

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI  Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03,  2009 4:35 AM
Subject: [gui-talk] A Tyros Keyboard question:


What  is this?  I first heard about it in a message about Main Menu but  I've
never heard of it before.   thanks
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Message: 18
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:48:08 -0800
From: "Joel Deutsch"  <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important  alert.
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:  <59C011FC402941C7A6CCF3CDC2D9CC17 at D975T761>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

Wel, on most of the other  lists to which I'm subscribed, mass mailings of 
any kind, including virus  warnings, are simply forbidden. There's not even a 
provision for bothering  the mod with such things. They generally don't 
deserve the  dignification.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith"  <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'"  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:17  AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.


To avoid traffic  these alerts should be first sent to the list moderator.
Then, the  moderator can only send on announcement to the list if he/she
wants  to.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org  [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent:  Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:35 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing  List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] important alert.

Hi,

before  freaking out about this supposed current virus threat, it would  be
informative to read the information about it at Snopes.com,  which
investigates, explains and evaluates such warnings. This one  originated in
the fall of 2006, and much about it is interesting to read.  here's the URL
of the Snopes page about this virus warning. if the link  takes up two lines
in your eamail, as it does in mine, first note where the  line break is, then

copy and paste the entire URL into your browser's  address bar, but then look

for the place where the line break was and  make sure there's no space there
to break up the URL, by deleting a space  if you find  one.


http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=mail+server+report&sp-a=00062d45-sp0000
0000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=
any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0-----  Original Message -----From:
<Kenlawrence124 at aol.com>To:  <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>Cc: <napub at nfbnet.org>Sent:
Tuesday, March  03, 2009 10:46 AMSubject: [gui-talk] important alert.Hi list
members I can  confirm that what I'm posting below is real and thesorce is
credible This  was forwarded to me by a music contact please payattention.
>   URGENT> >> >> > THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, PLEASE  SENDTO  EVERYONE ON YOUR>
E-MAIL LIST!!> >> >  Anyone-using  Internet mail such as Yahoo , Hotmail ,> >
AOL and so  on.>  >> > This information arrived this morning,>  > Direct  from
both Microsoft and Norton> >> > Please send  it to  everybody you know who
has> > Access to the Internet.>   >> > You may receive an apparently harmless
e-mail  titled>  'Mail Server Report'> >> > If you open either  file, a
message will appear on your> screen saying: 'It is> too late  now,  your life
is no longer beautiful.'> >> >  Subsequently you  will LOSE EVERYTHING IN
YOUR PC,> > And the  person who sent it to you  will gain access to> your> >
Name,  e-mail and password.>  >> > This is a new virus which started  to
circulate on>  Saturday afternoon.> > AOLhas  already  confirmed the seve
rity,  and the anti> virus software's are>  not capable of destroying  it.>
>> > The virus has been  created by a hacker who  calls> himself> > 'life
owner'.>  >> >  PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL> > TO ALL YOUR  FRIENDS, And
ask them  to> > PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!>  >> > THIS HAS BEEN  CONFIRMED BY
SNOPES.> >>  >
_http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp_(http://www.snopes.com/
computer/virus/mailserver.asp)Block  quote endI pledge to  participate
actively in the efforts of the  national federationof the blind to  achieve
equality, opportunity, and  security for the blind;tosupport the  policies
and programs of the  federation; and abide by
itsconstitution.**************Need a job?  F!
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Message: 19
Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:52:21 -0800 (PST)
From: denise avant  <dravant at ameritech.net>
Subject: [gui-talk] ms word 2002 and jfw  9
To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
Message-ID:  <860373.92331.qm at web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=us-ascii

hello all,
i am using a computer with  jfw 9 and ms word 2002. i've noticed that when 
typing, i letters i type are  occasionally missing. in conjunction with that, 
i've also use the down-arrow  or up arrow key only to have to press it at least 
twice before jfw would move  to the line. is there a setting in word or jfw i 
need to adjust.  thanks.

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