[gui-talk] Voiceover

[Mike Arrigo]

Hi, I would say it is definitely safe to get a mac now. Remember that  
you can also run windows on them for those times when you need to, so  
you have the best of both worlds.
On Jul 26, 2009, at 8:22 PM, albert griffith wrote:

> Mike,
> That was a great explanation and it answered a few more of my  
> questions.
> See, I'm not trying to determine which screen reader is the best I'm  
> trying
> to decide if I'm going to purchase a Mac and allow my SMA for JAWS  
> to elapse
> or purchase a computer with windows seven and wait a cycle which for  
> me is
> around three years and get a Mac then.  I feel quite certain if it's  
> not now
> voiceover will be totally up to speed by then.  However, I'm  
> experiencing a
> growing feeling which says, "you can go with the Mac now!"  I am  
> concerned
> about general accessibility of other programs.  The Adobe Flash you
> mentioned is but one of many we commonly use.  BTW.  I don't mind  
> unlabeled
> buttons as much as I'm bothered by buttons I can't activate no  
> matter the
> curser movements I use.  If they aren't labeled but work I can usually
> discern a pattern to use them.  Often after determining which  
> button, one or
> two produces sound every second button activates sound. I've  
> encountered
> files where the sound didn't begin until the third button but the same
> pattern then has applied.. Over a span of 25 incidents I'm batting  
> around
> 850
>
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> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:07 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>
> Hi. Though voice over does not load the page in to a buffer per say,
> you are able to navigate the page in the correct order. Voice over has
> 2 ways of presenting a web page, which one you use is a matter of
> preference, neither one is right or wrong. The first mode is dom mode,
> dom stands for document object model. This works in much the same way
> as the windows screen readers do, you navigate item by item, an item
> might be a paragraph, a link, a control etc. This is the way I prefer
> to use it. The other mode is called group mode. Group mode groups
> items together such as all of the links at the top of a page, or all
> of the links in an image map. If you want to review and possibly
> select one of the links, you interact with that element which shows
> all of the links separately. Hopefully my description is
> understandable, I get the idea that it sounds more confusing than it
> actually is. Suffice it to say that you can navigate pages and be
> productive on the mac using the web. The one exception to this is
> flash. Currently, flash is not accessible at all, and Adobe says they
> have no interest in making it accessible on the mac. However, there
> are 2 sides to that. Unfortunately in many cases, flash is not labeled
> correctly, so windows screen readers will simply say button, button,
> button, etc. And if that's the case, I would rather it not say
> anything since that really doesn't offer much.
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 2:07 PM, albert griffith wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike, you said in an earlier post that the Mac gives you more
>> flexibility
>> to hear what you want.  When browsing, is everything in screen
>> layout or
>> does Voiceover align material to the left margin like jaws and W.E.
>> To
>> present material in a more friendly manner was the reasoning behind
>> pages
>> being first loaded in to a buffer.  If Overvoice doesn't use a
>> buffer do you
>> know how it prioritizes how you see data?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:33 AM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>>
>> Hi, I love surfing the web on the mac. The speed of loading pages
>> blows any windows browser or screen reader away. For one thing,
>> there's no waiting around while a page is loaded in to a buffer. One
>> site that is good for testing your screen reader's speed is
>> empowermentzone.com. On the mac, this page loads in under 2  
>> seconds. I
>> have done many different things while browsing on the mac such as
>> buying things on ebay, paying bills, etc, works great. Yes, safari is
>> the browser of choice at this time.
>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:01 PM, albert griffith wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, you stated the Mac's browser had no tables mode.  That flaw  
>>> not
>>> withstanding how would you describe your surfing experiences
>>> generally?
>>> Thanks, Do those using Voiceover navigate the internet with Safari?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:28 PM
>>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>>>
>>> Hi, it's definitely ready for prime time, and is used by many blind
>>> users, I'm using it as I type this message. As far as advantages and
>>> disadvantages, the main advantage is that it is built in to the
>>> ooperating system, as a blind person, you pay no more than anyone
>>> else
>>> for accessibility. There are of course differences with the mac
>>> compared to windows, so there is a bit of a learning curve at first,
>>> the only other possible disadvantage I could see for some people is
>>> that on web pages, there is no table navigation mode. I don't see
>>> this
>>> as a big thing, since I never use this even in windows. The  
>>> macintosh
>>> has become my primary computer, and I use it far more than  
>>> windows. I
>>> would put the functionality of voice over against the windows screen
>>> readers any day, you can do just as much I think.
>>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:26 AM, tunecollector wrote:
>>>
>>>> This subject was discussed when Voiceover first came out but has
>>>> anyone used
>>>> it more intensively since then?  Is it ready for prime time?     
>>>> What
>>>> are its
>>>> drawbacks.
>>>>
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