[gui-talk] Voiceover
albert griffith
albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jul 26 18:47:04 UTC 2009
I know this might sound real ignorant coming from a person with ten years of
computer experience but what is the command key? I'm guessing I've heard it
by another name. thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:47 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
It's the f5 on the top of the keyboard, you hold the command key while
pressing it.
On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:44 PM, albert griffith wrote:
> When you say, "command f5 is that the same as the F5 function the
> top of the
> keyboard? Also is it just one keystroke or do you somehow have to
> press a
> command key plus the F5? Thanks in advance!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris G
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:57 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>
> Hi,
> The screen reader comes on the Mac as a full product. When you buy a
> Mac you press COMMAND-F5 to start VoiceOver.
>
> You can hear Mikes' podcasts where he demonstrates the screen reader
> in
> action. His latest one shows an multi platform instant messaging
> client
> called Adium that works great with VO.
> You can find the podcasts at www.blindcooltech.com
> Those were the reasons I decided to purchase a Mac and I like it. I
> didn't find it hard to use after listening to Mike. The hardest thing
> for me was cursor movement, but once I was able to rap my head around
> the way the Mac does it, it's not an issue.
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:19:50 -0400
> "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray, I've yet to read the NFB article but I plan to soon. We'll
> benefit
>> from all the access points it should illuminate. Do you know if
>> Apple is
>> offering their screen reader as a demo anywhere?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>>
>> Granted, Voice over is well worth serious consideration; but, Kevin,
> there's
>>
>> no need to get unpleasant about it. The NFB's perspective was
>> written
> from
>> a Windows users point of view because that's what most blind computer
> users
>> are familiar with. Like it or not, this is so. I always hear
>> Voice Over
>> users say "You can't compare the Mac to Windows.". Fair enough.
>> So, in
>> that case, why not truly help us Windows users get to know Voice Over
> better
>>
>> instead of just criticizing us just because we do what it is human
>> nature
> to
>>
>> do; compare one thing to another. I grant you that the Mac is worth
> serious
>>
>> consideration; and, If I wasn't still paying for this lap top, I
>> would
>> indeed very seriously look at Voice Over. Let me give you an
>> example of
> how
>>
>> Voice Over users can be more helpful. In the NFB article, it is
>> stated
> that
>>
>> when you press the space bar to check or uncheck items on a web page,
> Voice
>> Over does not tell you whether an item is checked or unchecked. I
> believe
>> this is true; however, there is another factor. The article then
>> goes on
> to
>>
>> incorrectly state that there is no way without fumbling around, to
> determine
>>
>> whether an item is checked or not. As I understand it, there is a
>> special
>
>> Voice over key command which is used to check or uncheck items on web
> pages.
>>
>> When this key stroke is used, Voice over will tell you at once
>> whether an
>> item is checked or unchecked. Now, it's quite clear to me that the
>> fellow
>
>> reviewing Voice Over for the NFB did not know this fact. but, I
>> ask you,
>> why did not some voice over users help him with the trouble he was
>> having?
>
>> Why did the NFB not seek help from Voice Over users? Well, I think
>> I can
>> answer that one. He wanted to deal with Voice Over from the stand
>> point
> of
>> a strictly out of the box experience. IN other words, his logic
>> was this.
>
>> "Let me see what I can learn about Voice Over strictly from the
>> help and
>> what ever documentation I can access on my own.". Fair enough;
>> but, let's
>
>> think a bit. How many Windows users do you know who rely just on the
> built
>> in help and what documentation they can read on their own? Well, I
>> sure
>> don't know too many myself. Most Windows users go to one another
>> for help
>
>> and we help each other. Why, therefore, did the NFB fellow not
>> seek help
> in
>>
>> the same way from Mac users? A fair question I think. Frankly, I am
>> perfectly willing to take a look at Voice over, not so much from
>> the NFB
>> stand point; nor from a Voice Over defense point of view. My look
>> will be
>
>> based a bit on both and I will be wanting to get very objective
> information.
>>
>> I don't think I can count on either the NFB or Voice Over devotees
>> to be
>> truly objective; and, therefore, the best strategy I can think of
>> is to
> take
>>
>> the best of both and make your own decision.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Fjelsted" <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>>
>>
>> VoiceOver is absolutely awesome. A superb resource for reading
>> details
>> from a community perspective is http://www.lioncourt.com.
>> I thhink that the exciting thing about VoiceOver is that the stars
>> are
>> aligned for us. 1) Apple is making record profits and is applying
>> resources in support of VoiceOver access across there entire product
>> line including mobile devices. The fact that the NFB technology
>> center
>> chooses to publish inaccuracies and propaganda
>> which is so misleading must mean that the existing companies like
>> Freedom Scientific are running scared and trying to rally resources
>> to
>> quash VoiceOver usage. When ever we see established organizations
>> becoming defensive it is time to really dig under the covers and ask
>> the reasons why. In my opinion every blind person who relies on
>> accessibility technology for computers and mobile devices needs to
>> look at VoiceOver as well as the other technologies and proactively
>> push the envelope so that we can create momentum for transparency. My
>> question is, why aren't all of the vendors emulating the approach
>> of
>> VoiceOver, which is to have built in accessibility to the device out
>> of the box without charging extra? WHen I can pay $190 for a cell
>> phone that has built in accessibility I find that amazing compared to
>> spending money for a cell phone and then having to turn around and
>> buy
>> a 3rd party access solution that in many cases only works half baked.
>> Not only do I get a cell phone for $190 but I get all the built in
>> apps talking clock, calculator, maps, weather forecasting, text
>> messaging, address book management, calendaring including syncing
>> with
>> other calendars. For years blind people have taken the position that
>> touch screens are the enemy and that we can't use them. Yet the
>> IPhone
>> with VoiceOver is totally dependent on the touch screen. I do
>> everything with the touch screen look at email, update my calendar,
>> make phone calls,.... -Kevin Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM,
>> tunecollector<tunecollector at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> This subject was discussed when Voiceover first came out but has
>>> anyone
>>> used
>>> it more intensively since then? Is it ready for prime time? What
>>> are its
>>> drawbacks.
>>>
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