[gui-talk] Voiceover

Chris G chris at mysticplace.org
Sun Jul 26 03:47:27 UTC 2009 

command is located where the alt key is.  it would be the same as
pressing alt-f5 on your PC.



On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:44:06 -0400
"albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When you say, "command f5 is that the same as the F5 function the top of the
> keyboard?  Also is it just one keystroke or do you somehow have to press a
> command key plus the F5?  Thanks in advance!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris G
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:57 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
> 
> Hi,
> The screen reader comes on the Mac as a full product.  When you buy a
> Mac you press COMMAND-F5 to start VoiceOver.
> 
> You can hear Mikes' podcasts where he demonstrates the screen reader in
> action.  His latest one shows an multi platform instant messaging client
> called Adium that works great with VO.
> You can find the podcasts at www.blindcooltech.com
> Those were the reasons I decided to purchase a Mac and I like it.  I
> didn't find it hard to use after listening to Mike.  The hardest thing
> for me was cursor movement, but once I was able to rap my head around
> the way the Mac does it, it's not an issue.
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:19:50 -0400
> "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Ray,  I've yet to read the NFB article but I plan to soon.  We'll
> benefit
> > from all the access points it should illuminate. Do you know if Apple is
> > offering their screen reader as a demo anywhere?      
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:24 PM
> > To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
> > 
> > Granted, Voice over is well worth serious consideration; but, Kevin,
> there's
> > 
> > no need to get unpleasant about it.  The NFB's perspective was written
> from 
> > a Windows users point of view because that's what most blind computer
> users 
> > are familiar with.  Like it or not, this is so.  I always hear Voice Over 
> > users say "You can't compare the Mac to Windows.".  Fair enough.  So, in 
> > that case, why not truly help us Windows users get to know Voice Over
> better
> > 
> > instead of just criticizing us just because we do what it is human nature
> to
> > 
> > do; compare one thing to another.  I grant you that the Mac is worth
> serious
> > 
> > consideration; and, If I wasn't still paying for this lap top, I would 
> > indeed very seriously look at Voice Over.  Let me give you an example of
> how
> > 
> > Voice Over users can be more helpful.  In the NFB article, it is stated
> that
> > 
> > when you press the space bar to check or uncheck items on a web page,
> Voice 
> > Over does not tell you whether an item is checked or unchecked.  I
> believe 
> > this is true; however, there is another factor.  The article then goes on
> to
> > 
> > incorrectly state that there is no way without fumbling around, to
> determine
> > 
> > whether an item is checked or not.  As I understand it, there is a special
> 
> > Voice over key command which is used to check or uncheck items on web
> pages.
> > 
> > When this key stroke is used, Voice over will tell you at once whether an 
> > item is checked or unchecked.  Now, it's quite clear to me that the fellow
> 
> > reviewing Voice Over for the NFB did not know this fact.  but, I ask you, 
> > why did not some voice over users help him with the trouble he was having?
> 
> > Why did the NFB not seek help from Voice Over users?  Well, I think I can 
> > answer that one.  He wanted to deal with Voice Over from the stand point
> of 
> > a strictly out of the box experience.  IN other words, his logic was this.
> 
> > "Let me see what I can learn about Voice Over strictly from the help and 
> > what ever documentation I can access on my own.".  Fair enough; but, let's
> 
> > think a bit.  How many Windows users do you know who rely just on the
> built 
> > in help and what documentation they can read on their own?  Well, I sure 
> > don't know too many myself.  Most Windows users go to one another for help
> 
> > and we help each other.  Why, therefore, did the NFB fellow not seek help
> in
> > 
> > the same way from Mac users?  A fair question I think.  Frankly, I am 
> > perfectly willing to take a look at Voice over, not so much from the NFB 
> > stand point; nor from a Voice Over defense point of view.  My look will be
> 
> > based a bit on both and I will be wanting to get very objective
> information.
> > 
> > I don't think I can count on either the NFB or Voice Over devotees to be 
> > truly objective; and, therefore, the best strategy I can think of is to
> take
> > 
> > the best of both and make your own decision.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
> > 
> > "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you 
> > come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
> land"
> > George Seferis
> > 
> > Phone or Fax::
> > +1 (985) 360-3614
> > Cell:
> > +1 (985) 791-2938
> > e-mail:
> > rforetjratcomcastdotnet
> > Skype Name:
> > barefootedray
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Kevin Fjelsted" <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
> > 
> > 
> > VoiceOver is absolutely awesome. A superb resource for reading details
> > from a community perspective is http://www.lioncourt.com.
> > I thhink that the exciting thing about VoiceOver is that the stars are
> > aligned for us. 1) Apple is making record profits and is applying
> > resources in support of  VoiceOver access across there entire product
> > line including mobile devices. The fact that the NFB technology center
> > chooses to publish inaccuracies and propaganda
> > which is so misleading must mean that the existing companies like
> > Freedom Scientific are running scared and trying to rally resources to
> > quash VoiceOver usage. When ever we see established organizations
> > becoming defensive it is time to really dig under the covers and ask
> > the reasons why. In my opinion every blind person who relies on
> > accessibility technology for computers and mobile devices needs to
> > look at VoiceOver as well as the other technologies and proactively
> > push the envelope so that we can create momentum for transparency. My
> > question is, why aren't  all of the vendors  emulating the approach of
> > VoiceOver, which is to have built in accessibility to the device out
> > of the box without charging extra? WHen I can pay $190 for a cell
> > phone that has built in accessibility I find that amazing compared to
> > spending money for a cell phone and then having to turn around and buy
> > a 3rd party access solution that in many cases only works half baked.
> > Not only do I get a cell phone for $190 but I get all the built in
> > apps talking clock, calculator, maps, weather forecasting, text
> > messaging, address book management, calendaring including syncing with
> > other calendars. For years blind people have taken the position that
> > touch screens are the enemy and that we can't use them. Yet the IPhone
> > with VoiceOver is totally dependent on the touch screen. I do
> > everything with the touch screen look at email, update my calendar,
> > make phone calls,....   -Kevin Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM,
> > tunecollector<tunecollector at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > This subject was discussed when Voiceover first came out but has anyone 
> > > used
> > > it more intensively since then? Is it ready for prime time? What are its
> > > drawbacks.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gui-talk mailing list
> > > gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > > gui-talk:
> > >
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/kfjelsted%40gmail.
> > com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kevin Fjelsted
> > B Harris, Inc.
> > http://www.bharrisinc.com
> > kevin.fjelsted at bharrisinc.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfjelsted
> > Phone:   612.424.7333 EX. 301
> > Direct:  612.424.7332
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gui-talk mailing list
> > gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > gui-talk:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/rforetjr%40comcast
> > .net
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gui-talk mailing list
> > gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > gui-talk:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/albertgriffith%40s
> > bcglobal.net
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gui-talk mailing list
> > gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/chris%40mysticplac
> e.org
> 
> 
> -- 
> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast.
> www.mysticplace.info
> RSS: feeds.feedburner.com/mysticplacebp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/albertgriffith%40s
> bcglobal.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/chris%40mysticplace.org


-- 
The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast.
www.mysticplace.info
RSS: feeds.feedburner.com/mysticplacebp

More information about the GUI-Talk mailing list