[gui-talk] Looking for instructions forunderstandingFacebooknonvisually

Wed Jul 22 11:13:34 UTC 2009

To join use Firefox and Webvisum or try Solona which is browser independent. 
This means you'll be able to solve the captcha yourself when joining. Then 
once you have an account go to http://m.facebook.com as this is more 
accessible than the regular site. Hope this helps.

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Chris Hallsworth
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From: "Lydia Grier" <lydiagrier at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:58 AM
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forunderstandingFacebooknonvisually

> I am using Jaws so can someone please tell me how to navigate facebook 
> with Jaws? Thanks in advance. Is it possible to set up your own facebook 
> account by yourself? Please let me know. I know people that are on 
> facebook and I would like to join.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lloyd Rasmussen" <lras at sprynet.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Looking for instructions for 
> understandingFacebooknonvisually
>
>
>>I am using Facebook with Window-Eyes 7.1 and Firefox 3.0.11.  I have never
>> tried the mobile version which was cited in another reply to your 
>> message.
>> IE seems to display more options, especially those that are inactive at 
>> the
>> moment, compared to Firefox, resulting in a more cluttered virtual cursor
>> buffer.
>>
>> I have been on Facebook for just over a month and have 61 friends so far.
>> Many are from my church; some are my cousins, nephews and nieces, and one
>> brother, who all live a long way from here.  I learn a lot of things, 
>> some
>> of which I am glad to know.
>>
>> Headings are your friend on Facebook.  If you activate "Notifications", 
>> for
>> example, the new page will have a heading near the beginning marking the
>> notifications you have received in recent days.  Pressing "Status" brings 
>> up
>> the default for your page, with each person's status message starting 
>> with a
>> level 3 heading.  I don't know whether there is a limit to the length of
>> status messages; it's certainly longer than the Twitter limit, and it 
>> does
>> serve a similar function for many people.
>>
>> I find it useful to hit the "Friends" link, which brings up lists of your
>> friends' friends.  This is a quick way to see who's on and start making
>> relevant friend requests.  If you want to write your own Status message, 
>> you
>> activate the "What's on your mind?" link.  I have only done this a couple 
>> of
>> times; I'm a lurker, too.
>>
>> When someone posts a status message, the "like" button will, when 
>> activated,
>> indicate to all and sundry that you liked what was posted.  This will 
>> also
>> cause it to be reloaded with the "like" changed to "don't like" in case 
>> you
>> want to remove your Yes vote.
>>
>> Facebook is a good example of AJAX or Web 2.0 pages where JavaScript is
>> heavily used to modify the page without necessarily reloading it.  JAWS 
>> may
>> or may not keep up with the changes.  Most changes are caused by you
>> activating something; I have only had a couple of instances where a page
>> changed without my intervention.  Some things I do cause the page to go 
>> into
>> Forms Mode and I have to resume virtual cursor mode to read what changed.
>> You will also often need to use your Find feature to get back to the 
>> place
>> on the page where the change occurred.  In other cases, you activate a 
>> link,
>> such as to see more comments or more posts, and you will not see the 
>> changes
>> until you reload the virtual cursor buffer (Insert-Escape).  I'm using 
>> JAWS
>> terminology, and expect that some of this will work differently in JAWS 
>> than
>> it does in WE.  This is a place where having an up-to-date screen reader,
>> which you have, should help a little.
>>
>> I think that unless you change some of your options, your friends can 
>> view
>> what you and others have posted on your wall.
>>
>> I haven't figured out many things yet, such as Chat and the thousands of
>> applications you can add to your wall.  (Many of these are visual, but I
>> wouldn't be surprised if some of the quizzes might be accessible.
>>
>> I hope this helps a little.  Enjoy Facebook!  Don't let it take over your
>> life, or get too stressed because you don't understand what it's doing. 
>> The
>> Help system has a lot of info in textual form, but I didn't find some of 
>> the
>> more basic stuff that people should just visually understand, I suppose.
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
>> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
>> www.facebook.com/lloyd.rasmussen
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:24 PM
>>> To: GUI-Talk
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] Looking for instructions for understanding
>>> Facebooknonvisually
>>>
>>> I use Jaws 10 and IE 7. I've finally caught up with the times and gave 
>>> up
>>> enough of my habitual introversion to register on Facebook, but although
>>> I've managed somehow to invite and be invited by a few friends, in 
>>> general
>>> I
>>> can't really understand how the site's functions work or what's going on
>>> when one or the other site pages load in response to my activating this 
>>> or
>>> that link.
>>>
>>> The closest I can come by way of comparison is the main Amazon site, 
>>> which
>>> took me ages to become a pretty good navigator of, to the point where
>>> choosing to use their simplified and less graphical mobile site is now a
>>> choice, not a dependency, because I know so many screen elements to 
>>> search
>>> for and skip to and/or single letter Jaws commands to use.
>>>
>>> But I can't, at least  right now, imagine getting anywhere near such 
>>> skill
>>> with Facebook, not just because I can't simply see the layout of the
>>> pages,
>>> which sighted friends assure me is a frightful mess even if you're not
>>> dealing with a screen reader. it's because I don't understand most of 
>>> the
>>> terminology of the site and what the things Jaws speaks to me actually
>>> mean.
>>>
>>> Just for instance: I guess that commenting is an important way you
>>> maintain
>>> a dynamic presence on the site. And with a couple words of helpful
>>> suggestion from a sighted friend who's a little more up on things than I
>>> am,
>>> I guess I learned that the word "status" and the updating of one's 
>>> status
>>> has nothing to do with your health, being coupled or single, and so 
>>> forth.
>>> it's more like what's up with you at the moment, or as the note on the
>>> screen says, what's on your mind. So you're supposed to do what I read
>>> that
>>> they do on twitter? Say I'm eating breakfast now and I just love this
>>> banana! and that's your "status" pronouncement of the moment? Or 
>>> something
>>> a
>>> little more complex and wordy if you prefer, I guess. But that seems to 
>>> be
>>> the idea. The word "status" doesn't really mean anything, here, not in 
>>> the
>>> English I speak. But I think I get it, and that's what's important.
>>>
>>> Okay. So if I wanted to sort of blog on my part of the site, I'd type 
>>> and
>>> press Upload Status occasionally.
>>>
>>> Then people could comment, like say I hate bananas or sometimes a banana
>>> is
>>> just a banana, Ingrid and the next person could just type LOL.
>>>
>>> but beneath each comment from someone on my Friends list, I see two 
>>> links.
>>> The first one says dash comment, which I guess is an invitation to type 
>>> a
>>> comment to someone else's posting. Okay. I'll try that sometime. But
>>> beneath
>>> that, jaws says "dash Like." Now here's another example of ordinary 
>>> words
>>> whose meaning I obviously don't get on Facebook. if you click on Like,
>>> what
>>> happens? have you voted for the comment you just read, for instance? I
>>> don't
>>> see a "dislike" link. What else could it mean besides "I like that
>>> comment?"
>>> I know this is a dumb, dumb question. but I don't get any of this, and I
>>> have a feeling this is a really essential part of participation.
>>>
>>> I wanted to go on to ask what a Wall is, and what writing on it means, 
>>> but
>>> I'll save that. first I'd like to see if anyone knows anything to begin
>>> with. And sure, if in the Help section of that site, somewhere, there's
>>> actual instruction about what all this means and how to use the site so
>>> that
>>> I could stop trying to intuit it navigating with Jaws and hearing all 
>>> this
>>> repetitious gibberish and ads, someone tell me where to look for
>>> education.
>>>
>>> Thanks, everybody.
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>
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