[gui-talk] the facts behind the case of the captain; not a gimick

Dale E. Heltzer deheltzer at msn.com
Sat Apr 11 22:04:00 UTC 2009 

Did the ship or the captain have a graphical user interface?
I didn't think so.
 

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Subject: [gui-talk] the facts behind the case of the captain; not a
gimick

As you stated, it was the NFB money that bought the boat.  I am sure
that the blind community as a whole received a direct benefit of the NFB
ownership.		  No, it doesn't sound like a gimmick.  No, not
at
all.  Truly a wise expenditure.

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a gimick

Doug is absolutely correct.

In the first place, the NFB owned/owns the boat which this guy was going
to use.  The first trial sailing of the boat did show some problems;
but, this was not  to be the main purpose for the voiage.  It was an
active hurricane season; and, the NFB, (again I say, the owners of the
boat) determined that it was to dangerous to sale her where captain
Aaron wanted her to sale; so, what happened to that situation was this.
He tried to sue the NFB over  the

decision to not sale.  What he overlooked was this.  We own/owned that
vessel.  Therefore, it was our decision, not his.  It was our money that
paid for it.  Those are the facts of that case.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
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Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: monetary support


I frankly wonder if Dr. Jernigan himself would have called that a
"gimic," either before or after the NFB involvement began.
Personally, I never thought of it as a "gimic."  To me, it was a
unique endeavor that could inspire both blind and sighted to look at
possibilities.  As I understand things, the "failure" was not really
due to a failure of the concept, but more a breakdown of personal
relationships.  I'm sure there's a lot I don't know, but that's how it
went down in my mind (no pun intended there btw).

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:53:40PM -0500, Don H wrote:
> I took part in a leadership seminar in Baltimore when I was the
president
> of a local chapter.  At that meeting Dr. Jernigan said he did not
believe
> in gimmicks to help the cause.  Shortly there after the NFB became
> involved in the blind guy that was going to sail across the Atlantic
was
> sponsored by the NFB.  Of course it was a failure and a gimmick
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tunecollector"
> <tunecollector at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: monetary support
>
>
>> So you are suggesting that it is more conducive to put money into
some
>> public relations gimmick that basically benefit one individual rather

>> than
>> doing something that would benefit thousands?  And the NGOs get into
a
>> staring match with rehab rather than step forward to do something.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:24 AM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [gui-talk] [Bulk] Re: monetary support
>>
>> One has to think about where one is going with support.  NVDA is
>> interesting, but if one were going to put money into it what would be
the
>> desired result.  For one
>> thing, if we and others are putting money into it, it really isn't
free
>> any
>> longer is it?  When would we stop putting money into it?  The fact is

>> that
>> technology is
>> constantly changing and the perfect screen reader can therefore never
be
>> built.  To keep a screen reader up to date even once it works well is
>> going
>> to take an on-
>> going stream of money, and a good free screen reader supported by the
NFB
>> and others simply leaves the rehabilitation agency and employers off
the
>> hook for
>> providing some of the support for accessibility we need.  If we have
a
>> specific thing we'd like to see happen with NVDA or other open source
>> screen
>> reader, such as
>> seeing if a particular approach to a problem is workable, then
putting
>> some
>> money toward making that happen as a proof of concept for example
would
>> make
>> sense
>> to me.
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:12:55 -0700, tunecollector wrote:
>>
>>> Really?  Didn't NFB pay for a blind guy to climb Mount Everest?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:44 PM
>>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [gui-talk] monetary support
>>
>>> NFB has traditionally not favored any screen-reading software
package
>>> over any other. Also, there's only so much money to go around.
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoffman, Allen"
>>> <Allen.Hoffman at dhs.gov>
>>> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:38 AM
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] monetary support
>>
>>
>>> does anyone know if ACB, AFB, or NFB has provided any monetary
support
>>> to the NVDA project to date?  If not, why not?  If so, how much and
who
>>> can we thank?
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