[gui-talk] Fw: New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'd

Wed Dec 17 04:53:25 UTC 2008

thank God! Sorry, Dave.

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From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fw: New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'd

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At 02:31 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
>Oh, this guy periodically posts his stuff on the RP List, which was my very
>first mailing list just  after I'd found I was legally blind and losing 
>more
>vision because of RP and discovered that list during my first period of
>reaching out for information and sources of support. His intentions appear
>to be good, and he's always been respectful when I've privately asked him
>something about his often confused writing in these didactic scenarios, but
>I generally have found these things so annoying and either amateurish or
>incomprehensible or both that I just quit reading them altogether. As far 
>as
>political agenda, I never got from these things an idea that he had one.
>Maybe this has to do with blind community issues I'm just not aware of. But
>I'm just speaking as a reader and writer, and this stuff drives me nuts 
>just
>in that sense.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fw: New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'd
>
>
>This guy's been asking questions like this for years.  They're often
>reflections on his points of view and push various political points he's
>interested in.  I quit reading or responding to them quite ahile ago for
>some of these reasons but more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of tribble
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:48 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
>Subject: [gui-talk] Fw: New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'd
>
>New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'dHi all --
>I know that many of you have seen this on the nfb-talk list, but I am
>posting it here for those who aren't subscribed to nfb-talk or the thought
>provoker list as I think some might be interested in posting a response.
>The thought provoker is a kind of blog where people respond to a monthly
>post like the one below and the responses are posted on the thoughtprovoker
>site.
>Enjoy.
>--le
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Newman
>To: Robert Newman
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:22 AM
>Subject: New THOUGHT PROVOKER #140- McGoo'd
>
>
>THOUGHT PROVOKER 140
>
>McGoo'd
>
>December 14, 2008
>
>Thought Is The First Step To Beyond
>
>"Whoa, that's a big honking screen for a laptop!"
>
>"Yeah, I like to be able to sit back and be comfortable." Dempsey was
>showing off his computer to a new friend. He was attending a summer program
>for blind teens of high school age. Rapidly he reduced the enlargement of
>the text he'd been studying. "I was checking out the details of the pics 
>and
>diagrams we need to use for our group project," he lied; he didn't think it
>would be cool in this group to be the one using the biggest enlargement.
>Squinting now, he forged ahead, getting only a part of what scrolled by.
>Next to him, a tiny earphone voice running at triple speed told him his
>neighbor was back to reading via her screen enlargement software's voice.
>
>"Everyone finished? They want us back in the main hall in five minutes,"
>said Kelly, the group's elected leader and the only one of them who was
>totally blind.
>
>Dempsey's ego hurt a little for not being chosen for lead. But deep down he
>knew he probably would not be able to outdo some of these guys, no matter 
>if
>he could see better than them or not.
>
>"Yo!  Done and got my notes Brailled up," answered Mark, putting his slate
>back in his laptop case.
>
>That Braille thing was something Dempsey just didn't get. He had visited
>with Mark and knew the two of them had about the same vision. Dempsey and
>his parents had always opted for print, wanting him to fit into the
>mainstream.
>
>"Hey, let's settle on who is going to present which part of the report,"
>Kelsey said. "I've got to write out the specifics of what I say."
>
>"I'll handle the second section," Dempsey volunteered. He hadn't gotten 
>much
>further than that in his study of the material; he was a good student, but
>these guys had gotten through the four sections of readings faster. And
>while the rest was being organized, he quickly wrote out a few notes with a
>heavy marker. He knew he'd better not even try to read from prepared notes;
>he'd gotten teased at the school where he was the only blind student
>("Smelling or reading it, Dempsey?").
>
>Presentations completed, the group was given a one-hour break. Someone
>suggested, "Let's go to Mickey D's!"
>
>"I know the way," Kelly said and took the lead.
>
>"Whoa.we going to go to a light?" asked Dempsey.
>
>"That would be four blocks down," answered Kelly. "We don't have the time."
>
>"We can handle this," Mark said, leaning forward, listening to the traffic
>on the four-lane street.
>
>Out of the four of them, Dempsey was the only one without a cane. He had a
>monocular back in the dorm, but even with that, this type of street made 
>him
>nervous; at home he had a folding cane.somewhere. He never wanted the 
>stigma
>of a cane, didn't need one, because he always chose where and when he would
>go places by himself.
>
>"Go!"
>
>Heart in his throat, Dempsey followed; he wouldn't be left behind. About 
>the
>middle of the street, "Ow, darn!" as he kicked into an unseen cement island
>and fell.
>
>"Better take my arm.hurry." Kelly said.
>
>That evening was philosophy seminar. The topic was the effect of a blind
>media character upon an audience. "I have a rather provoking thought," 
>spoke
>up one teen. "We all agree that when blindness is portrayed in the mass
>media, it has an effect upon how blindness is viewed by society. My 
>question
>is, if that influence guides how we are treated and if you view that as a
>process that has been worked upon you, can you come up with a single term
>that captures the essence of which specific blind cult figure that's been
>applied to you?"
>
>Dempsey got it right away, but wasn't sure he was ready to share it. This
>day had brought it home to him-these guys had blindness skills, confidence,
>knew where in life they were going!  They were competent blind people and 
>he
>was basically an inferior sighted person. "Yeah, I've been McGoo'd."
>
>
>
>Greetings
>
>Read through the above short story and send me your thoughts at:
>newmanrl at cox.net  Recall that I place all responses upon my web site as 
>soon
>as I receive them for all the world to read and learn from and that web 
>site
>url is http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
>     What IT IS AND HOW IT WORKS: Thought Provoker is an independent e-mail
>discussion forum with the purpose to aid in the effort to change what it
>means to be blind. Participants, both readers and writers share their 
>honest
>feelings and we learn from each other.  I Robert Leslie Newman am the 
>author
>and moderator.  At this time a new PROVOKER runs for four weeks.  THOUGHT
>PROVOKER can be sent directly to anyone who contacts me with a request to
>join the THOUGHT PROVOKER mailing list.  Otherwise I post all new THOUGHT
>PROVOKERS upon my web site "ADJUSTMENT TO BLINDNESS  AND VISUAL IMPAIRMENT"
>for all in the WWW to read and learn from.  In Addition, all past PROVOKERS
>are posted there and can be responded to as well.  I do insert commentary
>after some responses.  But more importantly know that I do not edit 
>anyone's
>response other than run them through a spell checker and that's not 
>perfect.
>Responses can be written to the Provoker itself or to the responses of
>others.  Think about it, if you feel that any response is not complete or
>does not fully convey the right philosophy, write in and give your 
>feelings,
>provoke thought.  There again, if you do choose to respond on the comments
>of another, take issue with the content and not the person.
>
>      For now it is optional to have your name and any other personal
>information placed with your response.  You write what you want us to know.
>I do feel giving your occupational status and/or location is important 
>(your
>city, state or region and country).
>
>     In regard to a definition of blindness, I am taking the broad view 
> that
>blindness is any level of vision loss which is affecting the individual
>functionally, emotionally, socially, economically, politically, etc.
>
>      If you feel this forum would be of value to another, pass the address
>on.  Additionally, if you no longer wish to receive Provokers, advise me of
>that fact and I will honor it.
>
>     Finally, I give my permission to use this material to educate others.
>Do give credit back to the forum and the respondent.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>Robert Leslie Newman
>Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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