[gui-talk] Kindle books

[albert griffith]

I use braille for poetry, personal notes and a few other things but I have
to make myself read a book annually to be sure I'm keeping up with signs and
stuff.  Now I can use the media player to increase the speed of audio books
without the Donald Duck effect I read audio even more.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Lydia Grier
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:10 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books

Hey Albert I am a braille user as well. But I hardly ever use it due to 
technology. I see braille as a not taking, or lablling system forme. To keep

up up with the sighted would you have to stay up with the technology.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books


> I've been a braille reader forever and the rate at which one reads is
> heavily dependent on technique, touch, and so many other factors.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of tribble
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:43 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
> I can't imagine reading braille that fast -- I have a hard time reading
> little spot notes when teaching a class -- just outlines with keywords.
> Also, braille is prone to change radically if a dot is missing or added
> where it isn't supposed to be, or if there is a speck of dirt on the 
> page --
>
> it mixes me up when that happens.
> I know I need practice, but it is a real challenge for me to stick with 
> it.
> It's just so slow.
> tips welcome.
> happy reading.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>
> Well, reading print may be fast for some sighted people.  But, I've known
> blind people who have been able to read Braille so quickly that they
> couldn't talk fast enough to keep up with their Braille reading.  So, it 
> all
> depends on the time you devote to it and the technique you use to read,
> either print or Braille.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>
> The nice thing about reading visually is to be able to see spellings and
> page layout and pictures, if any. Also, you can mark passages or write 
> notes
> in the margins.
> But is it faster? I think it is actually -- I don't speak for myself as I
> never had good reading speed due to my declining vision, but I know people
> who polish off books in a couple of days that take me a lot longer reading
> either online or listening to a recording or DAISY book.
> I think DAISY is the best thing that has come along in a while. now if the
> volunteers at bookshare would use the features a bit more effectively, it
> would make navigating the book easier. I mean, sometimes an entire book 
> has
> only one navigation element marking the start of the book. So all you 
> really
> have is your current reading position, which lasts from session to 
> session,
> and the start of the book to jump to, and that's all.  Very terse markup.
> oh well -- One of these days I'm going to scan and markup a book and 
> submit
> it to bookshare and then I will be able to complain legitimately.
> Happy reading.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>
> Many sighted people who I know enjoy reading visually, and do not like
> to be read to.  They may listen to an audio book while driving, cooking,
> etc., but generally prefer the experience of reading visually.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:48 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
> Cindy,
>
> This portable device, the Kindle, wasn't developed in the spirit of what
> you and I think of as portable devices to play writing to us. It's a
> different concept, meant to hold many books that can be called up by the
> sighted reader and looked at. The effect is like having one book-sized
> plastic device that sort of looks like a real book, which a person can
> hold and read the text on the screen. Those who have really reported
> enjoying the Kindle, for instance, have reported taking them on long
> airplane journeys and having the ability to read from any of the many
> books that they may have purchased online and loaded onto the device.
> They would not have preferred to be listening to somebody reading one or
> another of those books. They like to read print, and listening to audio
> literature may be for them at best an occasional convenience for times
> when they have their hands full and are otherwise occupied, say while
> driving a car or exercising at the gym.
> itotherwsie literatture wo7uld They are simply reading the print, just
> as if it were a real book. It has not been recorded for them by a
> reader. If they wanted audio literature, themselves, and they sometimes
> do, they'd get the recorded stuff from audible  and other vendors, just
> as we do, although without the issues of blind accessibility to the
> controls of the playback units.
>
> Anyway, as the list of book titles Amazon produces in Kindle form along
> with the print books of the same titles, this list may overlap with some
> of the recorded titles we are accustomed to seeing offered, but there
> will be a lot more books that haven't wound up produced in commercial
> audio or by the NLS.
> If I could read visually, I'd at least consider this device, although
> I'd think of it as a bit of a luxury. But its list of titles is likely
> to be a lot more inclusive, and a good bit less dependent on nothing but
> sales ranking, than the titles that are chosen for audio production, and
> which we can already get for ourselves. It's a unique new book marketing
> model, not that easily evaluated or understood in blind book terms.
>
> Hope that helps.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>
> I guess I just don't understand, with all the other sources for books
> out
> there, which are available to us, why try to make this particular device
> accessible.  If it was the only portable means of reading books, I could
> understand why we'd want to have access.  But, there's so much out
> there,
> already.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>
> Like the Everly Brothers sang: "Dream; dream dream dream!"
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Shelly <tshelly at optonline.net>
> To: 'Ationfbnet GUI Talk Mailing List' <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 2008/12/05 15:33:27
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>
>>
>>
>> What Amazon needs to do is to make their Kindle book format an open
>> standard
>> that other device manufactures can build into their products.  If for
>> instance the iphone could use the books they would sell a lot more
> books.
>> Then devices for the blind like the Victor Stream could build that
> into
>> their products as well.  This would open up a huge new source of
> reading
>> material for us.  I imagine this will happen eventually, but it may
> take a
>> while.  Amazon is not an easy company to contact, but someone
> mentioned
>> they
>> had a line to the Kindle developer.  Maybe we could start a
>> letter/every-mail
>> writing campaign.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:54 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>> What would be the advantage of adding text to speech to the Kindle
> Reader;
>> especially since we already have the Victor Stream?  The reader,
> itself,
>> is
>> already more expensive than the Stream.  Adding speech would increase
> the
>> cost.
>>
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Loy" <loyrg2845 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>>
>> I corresponded with the developer of this product and asked if it
> would be
>> possible to add text to speech to this product and he replied that he
>> would
>> look into it.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>>
>> It is the sighted guy's equivalant of the Victor Stream.  The display
>> looks just like a printed book, to give a familiar frame of reference.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:21 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>> Well, I think the idea is that you can purchase and download books
> from
>> Amazon; put them on this reader and take several books along with
>> y...j as we do with the Very Rather Stream.  I'm sure it is the
> software,
>> in the reader, which makes it work.  But, you have to have the little
>> screen and controls to read the books.
>>
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>>
>> so apparently you need to have this hardware reader in order to read a
>> kindle book, which is in some proprietary format? I would think there
>> would
>> be software that could do the job just as well...
>> Thanks.
>> -comle
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Kindle is a hardware reader.  It looks like a book, but has a screen
>> instead
>> of pages.  There are controls to allow the reader to turn pages and to
>> move
>> from one book to another.  That's really about all I know about it.
>> But, it
>> has no speech and is not accessible.  It's also more expensive than
> the
>> Victor Stream.
>>
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
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>> <gui-talk at NFBnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:49 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Kindle books
>>
>>
>> Hi all -- Has anyone had experience good or bad reading books on
> Kindle
>> sold
>> by amazon?
>> Is Kindle a software reader, or a hardware device like an ipod?
>> Is it accessible? I'd like to get an armload of books but since I
> would
>> be
>> scanning them anyway, I would prefer getting them in some electronic
>> format.
>> What is Kindle anyway?
>> I guess I'll go back to amazon and read up on it, but I wanted to ask
>> the
>> list first.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Oh, and the books aren't on bookshare -- I checked.
>> -comle
>>
>>
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