[gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
Ted Shelly
tshelly at optonline.net
Mon May 26 13:37:15 CDT 2008
Cindy,
There are not two versions of MS on the phone. The conflect is between MS
and the speach functions built into the Nokia phone. Once I get the final
license I may well try a complete re-install.
Ted
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[mailto:gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
slery
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:15 PM
To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
Ted,
I would definitely suggest completely removing MS from the phone and
starting with a fresh install of the demo. It sounds like there is a
conflict with two versions. Also, there are different voices that you can
try.
As for AT&T, I am definitely recommended people buy from Code Factory if
they can afford it. Saving a little money definitely isn't worth the
hassle. However, if you are like me, you may have to go the AT&T route as
the only way to obtain a screenreader for your phone financially.
At least you are just now paying for your license. I paid for mine on the
first call and it took four months to get my license.
Cindy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:47 AM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
>
>
> Here's a new installment on my battle with AT&T and Mobile Speak.
>
> I first called AT&T almost a month ago to get the license for Mobile
> Speak. I still had not received anything from them so I called again
> on Friday
> (hint: if you want to get through to their National Center for
> Customers with Disabilities call in the early morning).
> I had called them at least 3 times previously on this topic, but the
> person could find no record of my request! So I started all over
> again. This time however I was asked for the serial number for Mobile
> Speak on my phone and for a credit card for the $89 charge. They had
> not asked for this previously, so maybe this time my request is for
> real. Since it is a holiday I don't expect to hear back for several
> more days, we'll see how that goes.
>
> In the meantime I had received a 30-day demo license directly from
> Code Factory and I've been trying to learn to use the software. What
> frustration! It will work well enough for short periods of time, but
> then abruptly stops speaking. A restart of the phone usually gets it
> going again. But sometimes It speaks the message "Please register
> Mobil Speak"
> and will say nothing else until restarted. It will take some time for
> me to get used to the voice and to figure out what it is saying in
> different contexts. Sometimes the voice feedback is useful and
> sometimes totally useless. This is in no way as good as even the
> worst PC screen reader software.
> So far it is a serious disappointment. I may change my mind as I
> learn to use it, but so far I am not impressed.
>
> On the other hand, I am finding the built-in speech facilities of the
> Nokia are quite useful. The only problem is that you have to go deep
> into the menus to find the features. I've memorized some of the key
> presses and can get to the "Voice aid" section, where you can find
> talking address book, clock and some other functions. I thought it
> was strange that messaging was not included there, but by accident
> found it in another menu area. It is called "Message reader" and does
> a good job of reading text messages aloud.
>
> I'm also finding that Mobile Speak seems to interfere with the
> built-in speech functions and things like the FM radio and music
> player. I have to do some further experimenting with this.
>
> It is a slow and painful process, but some progress is being made. I
> may need to find someone who really knows this phone and the Mobile
> Speak software to get me through this. I knew it would not be easy
> but never guessed it would be this difficult.
>
> I'll do another installment in a week or two. Maybe this will help
> someone out there who is contemplating trying this same thing. I'd be
> glad to hear from anyone who has been using MS on the Nokia N75 or
> similar.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Shelly [mailto:tshelly at optonline.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:25 PM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
>
>
> Here's the latest on my saga of getting Mobile Speak up and running on
> my AT&T Nokia N75.
>
> It's been two weeks since I first contacted AT&T to get the license
> for Mobile Speak. I called them again on Friday and they told me that
> the administrator was back from vacation but that there was a backlog
> of requests and I would just have to wait.
>
> I thought I had a contingency plan, since Cindy had warned that it
> took her weeks to get AT&T to act. I wrote directly to Code Factory
> (maker of Mobile
> Speak) on Monday to see if they would give me a temporary 30-day demo
> license. I got a nice reply the next day that they would be happy to
> do that, I just needed to supply the serial number from my phone. I
> wrote back immediately and thought "Aha! I'm set!". But now it has
> been 4 more days and I have heard nothing from them, even though I
> wrote again on Thursday.
>
> I'm sure there is a good explanation for all this run-around.
> It actually does my heart good to know that in this modern day of
> instant gratification there is still plenty of good old-fashioned red
> tape. May our bureaucracies live forever!
>
> Meanwhile, when I turn on my phone Mobile Speak starts and runs for 10
> minutes. I always try to learn a couple of phone features in those
> first few minutes. but I must turn off mobile speak before the 10
> minutes runs out. If the time does expire, Mobile Speak announces on
> every key press "
> Please register Mobile Speak". It drives you crazy.
>
> The N75 does have some built-in speech features. It can read messages
> and the address book. But you have to drill down through several
> menus to find the feature. I'm going to work on memorizing the key
> presses.
>
> The voice dial feature works pretty well. I added names to the
> address book through the PC Suite and then on the phone you just press
> and hold soft key 2 and speak the name. It reads it back to you in a
> synth voice and dials the number.
>
> On the PC Suite, it is reasonably accessible, except for the backup
> function. I rarely get completely stymied by an application but this
> one is a total mystery. No menu or button will speak and even though
> I have some sight the color scheme is impossible, no matter how I try
> to change colors or contrast I can't read anything on its screen. I'm
> going to get my wife to help me with that one.
>
> I knew I was taking something on when I decided to do this all myself.
> You can send the phone into AT&T and they will install it and send it
> back. But how long will that take? I don't want to be without a
> phone and I can take and make calls with little trouble even without
> Mobile Speak. But I want to use more of the phone features and I
> really hope I can get this thing up and running soon.
>
> Wish me luck!
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Shelly [mailto:tshelly at optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:37 PM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
>
> Cindy,
>
> Thanks. I think I will try contacting Code Factory directly to see if
> I can get the 30-day license from them. And I'll keep after AT&T.
> Your experience is not very encouraging!
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of slery
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:25 AM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
>
> I read that in the manual also, but when I installed, there were four
> options. One of them was the 30 day trial. The install software
> pulled the serial number/IMEI number from my phone for me.
>
> I did just realize you are using a symbian phone where as, I am using
> a Pantech Duo. However, I suggest trying the 30 day demo. Also, be
> persistent with AT&T. I never did receive an email from them but I
> did get it over the phone after about the fifth call and four months
> after I had actually paid for the license.
>
> Cindy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:52 AM
> > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> >
> >
> > Cindy,
> >
> > Here is what the MS mnaual says about the 30 day license:
> >
> > "In order to obtain a 30-day trial license for Mobile
> Speak, you need
> > to provide your distributor with the product serial number."
> >
> > I guess my distributor is AT&T and that I'll need to give them the
> > serial number. Do you know of another way to get a trial license?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of slery
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:48 PM
> > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> >
> > Ted,
> >
> > You should have been able to install the one month demo
> instead of the
> > 10 minute version.
> >
> > Once you have your license you can simply activate it. You do not
> > need to install anything. (i.e. run the install but instead of
> > selecting install, select register)
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org
> > > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:32 PM
> > > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a progress report on installing Mobile Speak on
> my new Nokia
> > > N75.
> > >
> > > I called the AT&T national Center for Customers with
> Disabilities a
> > > week ago last Saturday and requested the license keys for Mobile
> > > Speak. The representative assured me I would get an e-mail
> > in a few
> > > days. When I had received nothing by Friday, I called
> > again and this
> > > time was informed that the only person who deals with this was on
> > > vacation.
> > > Seems I'll get the keys by some time next week.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I had spent some time reading the Mobile
> > Speak manuals
> > > and the manual for the phone. I worked a bit with the PC
> > Suite to get
> > > familiar with it. One thing I found is that you need to start PC
> > > suite first before plugging the phone into the USB cable
> or things
> > > don't work right. But the PC suite was reasonable to use
> otherwise.
> > >
> > > Then with some sighted assistance from my wife I installed the MS
> > > packages. That was straight-forward, so long as you have
> someone to
> > > read the messages that come up on the phone.
> > > You just select the "Install Applications" item, find where you
> > > downloaded the software, select it and click install. On
> hte phone
> > > you get some prompts asking if you are sure you want to
> install it.
> > > After the install Mobile Speak started right away in
> > 10-minute demo
> > > mode.
> > >
> > > The annoying thing is that when it quits after the 10 minutes, it
> > > repeats "Please register Mobile Speak" every time you do
> > anything on
> > > the phone. I had to get my wife to turn off MS before it drove me
> > > crazy.
> > >
> > > In the brief time I used it, the software seemed to work
> > fine, but the
> > > voice is not as responsive as I would like. It just takes
> > a while for
> > > it to start to speak the screen contents.
> > >
> > > Hopefully AT&T will actually get me the keys this next
> week and I'll
> > > be set.
> > >
> > > One question I have is whether I need to install the
> one-month demo
> > > license or if I can just go ahead and install the permanent
> > license.
> > > Anyone know?
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ted Shelly [mailto:tshelly at optonline.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:14 AM
> > > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > > Subject: RE: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> > >
> > > Cindy,
> > >
> > > Thanks. I will give this a try. I think Fonix is the voice
> > > synthesizer.
> > >
> > > I have installed Nokia PC Suite and gotten it to talk to
> > the phone via
> > > USB. I'll use USB for now since it should be a bit faster and more
> > > reliable, and Bluetooth will take some additional configuraton.
> > >
> > > I'll let you all know how it goes.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org
> > >
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+tshelly=optonline.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of slery
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:22 AM
> > > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> > >
> > > Please clarify if I am wrong. Fonix (spelled with an F)
> "is" Mobile
> > > Speak. It is not something that is separate. I opted to
> install the
> > > Loquendo Susan version of Mobile Speak and did
> > it myself
> > > on the Pantech Duo.
> > >
> > > Since the original asker stated that he would have his wife
> > as sighted
> > > assistance, it really is not that hard to setup.
> > > The only part you actually need help with might be connecting your
> > > phone to the computer.
> > >
> > > Remember to install Nokia's PC Suite first. I have seen
> > comments that
> > > the new version is more accessible. Then connect your phone
> > > (bluetooth or USB, I recommend bluetooth if your computer
> supports
> > > it). Once you have the phone and computer communicating,
> > download the
> > > version of Mobile Speak that you wish to try. Unzip it and
> > open/start
> > > the executable file. It will tell you exactly what to do
> from that
> > > point on.
> > >
> > > One note, you will have to use the 30 day demo until AT&T
> gives you
> > > the license (which is actually your User ID). Once they
> > provide you
> > > that number, run the setup again and this time you choose
> > the option
> > > to register at the end instead of the demo.
> > >
> > > It really is pretty easy.
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org
> > > > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+slerythema=insightbb.com at nfbnet.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:53 AM
> > > > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest you install the phonex version which is
> > the text to
> > > > speech software, then the mobile speak software, and Ted, visit:
> > > >
> > > > www.blindcooltech.com
> > > >
> > > > There is in a most recent podcast, a tutorial how to install the
> > > > mobile speak, but if AT&T will do it let them
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gui-talk-bounces+stephen=independentliving.com at nfbnet.org
> > > > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces+stephen=independentliving.com at nfbnet.
> > > > org] On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:30 PM
> > > > To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> > > > Subject: [gui-talk] Mobile Speak on Nokia N75
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I joined this list to see if anyone out there has had experience
> > > > installing the Mobile Speak software on the Nokia
> > > > N75 or other similar phone. I have just switched to AT&T
> > > so I could
> > > > get the N75 for $99 and get the Mobile Speak software for
> > > free. I was
> > > > told by the AT&T representative that many people send in
> > > there phones
> > > > for them to do the install, but I'm brave so I'm going to try it
> > > > myself with a little sighted help from my wife.
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading the documentation for the software from
> > > Code Factory
> > > > and I must say it is rather confusing. They say that it is
> > > important
> > > > that the 3 program components be installed in the correct
> > order. I
> > > > downloaded the zip package and saw the three files.
> But which is
> > > > which? Only the vaguest clue from the file names. Maybe
> > I'll just
> > > > try it and see if it works.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone out there has done such an install, chime in.
> Otherwise
> > > > I'll go where angels fear to tread and see what happens.
> > > > I'll report my experiences here.
> > > >
> > > > Wish me luck.
> > > >
> > > > Ted
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