[gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com

[Baracco, Andrew W]

And now there are self checkout stands where you scan and bag your own
groceries, and do not even have to see a checkout clerk.

Andy
 

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:34 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com

Hi Raul,

First of all, let me say that I don't have a dog in this fight, as the
expression goes. If someone feels comfortable using a sighted reader in
an instance like this, fine with me. If they don't begrudge this
approach to someone else, but feel strongly that it's not only more
efficient but more dignified to be able to overcome the CAPTCHA obstacle
all by themselves, either by pressuring for audio links or finding a way
to break the system, also fine by me.

But I think the folks who are objecting to the "sighted reader" approach
(I think of this role more as " that of a sighted accomplice, for some
reason) must feel that the goal of independence means not having to ask
another person for assistance if at all possible. that's why it matters
so much to them, seems like a capitulation and, possibly, even a
humiliation.

as someone who's in the process of going blind by degrees (I'm using
"blind" 
in the most conventional meaning, here), one of the biggest challenges
I've faced over the past few years since my vision crossed the line from
being too poor to drive or make sense of movies to rendering me unable
to perform many more tasks was that of having to learn to ask others for
help. And I have found that although I'm happy to have something like
Jaws at my disposal so I don't require a sighted reader for the vast
majority of my usual reading needs,in other situations, such as shopping
for groceries at my local food markets, I've not only given in to asking
to have someone assigned to me to go around and pluck items off the
shelves and put them into the shopping basket, I more often than not
feel enriched by the interaction,. It took some time to accept feeling
like this instead of the shame and irrational resentment I felt at
first-- I mean resentment against those who were helping me-- and get
over the undeniable loss of anonymity (which is really prized by most
people when they have to run their errands; you drive alone to some
store, wrestle a shopping cart out of the parked stack, wheel it around
the store raving things and tossing them into the cart, and check out at
the cashier line, and maybe that cashier is the only person you
acknowledge with at least a "how ya doing today" and a smile before
taking your bags and tossing them into your car. You haven't been forced
to interact with anyone else unless you really wanted to discuss the
French wines with the man who was standing beside you at that display or
flirt with the woman whose eyes met yours over the watermelons). Some
sighted people these days manage to even get past the cashier without a
real affirmation that it's a fellow human being they're dealing with,
but rather talk on their cell phones while they watch the total come up
on the cash register and whip out money to pay with, exchanging nothing
but a glance with the cashier that says "here's the dough, now let's
have my change." 
This is the kind of privacy and anonymity in a public situation that
most people in the U.S., at least, prize as a social birthright. And
disability robs you of that, as well as rendering something like grocery
shopping massively inefficient and time-consuming compared to before, if
you're experiencing what I've been experiencing over recent years. for
me, that's still a bummer. but not the part about learning to reach out
and ask for assistance and then interrelate a little with the person who
helps me. 
That's all been an enrichment, despite my regrets. It took me a long
time to get to feeling this, though, I admit. Just saying this stuff in
case anyone else might be heartened to hear it.

And the same with voting. Let's be realistic. I don't go to vote in a
precinct where my vote is likely to arouse hostility on a helper's part,
whether or not someone else might even care about that. I live in an
area that's basically politically friendly for someone of my political
bent. 
whether or not everyone agrees on this state proposition or that
candidate for office. If I lived in a more threatening locale, I might
wish more fervently to have private voting access, but that's not my
situation.

And I'll also confess that the way I deal with the occasional CAPTCHA
that flummoxes me is to email a close friend, give him the user ID and
pass I'm using on that site, and have him log in for me so I can do
whatever it was I was trying to do. I don't feel diminished by that. But
I'm also happy that people campaign to get Web masters to reform on this
issue by adding audio. 
Both, not just this or that, black and white.

Just a personal observation. I know that others may feel differently,
and I'm not trying to argue or rally anyone to my side. I just felt
inspired to share my own experience of something like this in all its
meaning beyond some political correctness issue.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul at asmodean.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com


I think it's rather amusing how the informative nature of the original
post has to degrade as to whether using sighted readers is good, bad,
honorable, silly, or something else not mentioned as yet. Come on folks.
Whether you use the killer site or not, or whether you always use
readers or not, what it comes down to is if you get the job done in any
way you can, that is what makes you independent. So, let's not split
hairs.

ryan perdue said the following on 3/10/2008 3:03 AM:
> Mike, why would it be an honorable thing?
> Sometimes, it's easy to feel like you're getting in someone's way,
that
> would make it worse.
> Accessibility is a right and we need to be able to live independently
as
> much as possible.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com
>
>
>> Hello Mike,
>>
>> I see you trotting out this "sighted reader" argument quite often. 
>> That's
>> all fine and good, but...
>>
>> Why should there be screen readers and other assistive technologies
for
>> the
>> blind?  Couldn't one just avail themselves of a sighted reader?
>>
>> Why should there be accessible voting?  Why should the election
officials
>> have to help us vote?  Shouldn't we all be required to bring our
trusty
>> sighted reader with us?
>>
>> Why should anyone purchase a K-NFB reader when they can plunk even
more
>> money down over their lifetime to hire the services of a more
reliable
>> sighted reader?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com
>>
>>
>> Now waaaait a minute here.
>>
>> I agree that the site is progress. But using sighted readers is an
>> honorable thing!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Sherri
>>  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>  Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:06 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com
>>
>>
>>  Hey, anything's better than having to wait for a sighted person!
>> Thanks.
>>  I'll give it a try.
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Steve Pattison" <srp at internode.on.net>
>>  To: "GUI Talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Access-L"
>> <access-l at access-l.com>
>>  Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:44 PM
>>  Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Captchakiller.com
>>
>>
>>  Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 9:33 AM
>>
>>  Today, I heard about this site on another list, and I love it.  If
you
>>  ever
>>  need to use a site that requires captchas,
>>  you will to.  The url is
>>
>>  www.captchakiller.com
>>
>>  The first thing you will have to do is sign up for an account.  On
the
>>  home
>>  page, they have a lot of forum posts and
>>  comments, but if you look for the crate an account link, you should
>> have
>>  no
>>  problems at all.
>>
>>  Once you have an account, you can upload those bothersome captchas,
>> and
>>  the
>>  site will process them for you.
>>
>>  I had a little trouble at first, but once you realize what they
want,
>>  it's
>>  fairly straight forward.
>>
>>  I'll give you the step by step instructions.
>>  1.  go to the site that has the captcha.
>>  2. find the exact page that has the captcha, and copy the url that's
>> in
>>  the
>>  address bar.
>>  3.  find the captcha on the page, and right click on it.
>>  4.  choose the save picture as option and save it to your hard
drive.
>>  5.  on the captchakiller site, choose the upload captcha link.
>>  6.  paste the page url into the url field.
>>  7. hit the browse button on the page, and browse to the file you
saved
>>  on
>>  your computer.
>>  8.  after hitting open on the file, hit the submit button on the
page.
>>  9.  then choose the view captchas link on the page, and find the
most
>>  recently uploaded one.  It should be the one at
>>  the top.
>>  10 when you go through the table you'll result, and beside that is
>> what
>>  you
>>  have to type in for the captcha.
>>
>>  This may sound a little complex, but it isn't so bad once you get
used
>>  to
>>  doing it.  I'm not saying it's a solution to
>>  all our captcha problems, but it sure beats getting sighted help
every
>>  time
>>  you need a captcha interpreted.
>>
>>  Another helpful hint I can give you, is to keep the captchakiller
>> site,
>>  and
>>  the site you want the captcha for, opened at
>>  the same time.  That way, you can get the captcha processed quickly
>> and
>>  enter it on the site before it expires.
>>
>>  Hopefully, some people will find this site useful.
>>  --------
>>  Earle
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>>
>>  Regards Steve
>>  Email:  srp at internode.on.net
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>>  Skype:  steve1963
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