[gui-talk] Audio Verification

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Mon Jan 7 18:48:51 CST 2008 

Actually, that USPS solution isn't all that secure so although it is 
certainly convenient for us and does solve the problem of 
inaccessibility of solutions by the deaf-blind, it doesn't solve the 
larger problem of security for the site seeking to verify that it's 
dealing with a human being and not a bot of some sort.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wayne Merritt
  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification


  Actually, the most accessible solution was one I came across several 
years
  ago on the USPS site, where I was changing my address. They indeed had 
one
  of those Captia's, but instead of an audio solution, they had a form 
that
  you filled in your email address. Then, when an email was sent to you, 
you
  were asked to copy and paste the letter/number verification string 
onto
  another web page. By doing so, you solved the Captia issue and did it 
in a
  text manner. It seems that everyone else is caught up on this audio 
solution
  thing, and I'm all for that. However, not many have implemented a text
  solution like the USPS site has. I haven't had to change my address 
since my
  last move, so I don't know if they still use this method, but it might 
be
  worth looking into. Ideally, it would be good to have both the audio
  solution and a solution like this at a site's disposal. Their address 
is:
  www.usps.com

  Good luck,
  Wayne
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i at speakeasy.net>
  To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification


  > Hello Peter,
  >
  > Well, of course, I'm all for the most accessible verification 
system. If
  > you
  > can point me to evidence that a more text-based scheme is also 
secure,
  > then
  > please, by all means, feel free to send me a note to
  > editor at blindaccessjournal.com so I may further research, and 
possibly
  > promote, such inherently more accessible solutions.
  >
  > Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
  > Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
  > Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition asking 
Yahoo!
  > to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
  > Information should be accessible to us without need of translation 
by
  > another person.
  > Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: 
http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
  > Check out high quality telecommunications services at 
http://ld.net/?nu7i
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
  > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:28 PM
  > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >
  >
  > Hello Darrell and listers,
  >
  > e-mail  messages and blog posts I've read on the subject say the 
exact
  > opposite. I heard of cases where some companies used the traditional
  > visual
  > captcha and still got spammed to death. When they switched to a word
  > verification system the spamming ceased. I guess it's all in who you 
talk
  > to.
  >
  > Peter Donahue
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i at speakeasy.net>
  > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:02 PM
  > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >
  >
  > Hello Peter,
  >
  > The deaf-blind issue with CAPTCHA is a real sticky one at the 
moment, as
  > most text-based challenge/response schemes are deemed too insecure 
to be
  > considered.  Check out http://phonefactor.net and tell me if you 
think
  > that
  > solution might be reasonably workable for a deaf-blind person.
  >
  >
  > Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
  > Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
  > Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition asking 
Yahoo!
  > to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
  > Information should be accessible to us without need of translation 
by
  > another person.
  > Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: 
http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
  > Check out high quality telecommunications services at 
http://ld.net/?nu7i
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
  > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:21 PM
  > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >
  >
  > Good evening everyone,
  >
  >    Unless You're deaf-blind.
  >
  > Peter Donahue
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
  > To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:47 PM
  > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >
  >
  > pimpmynews.net just changed theirs because several blind people had 
a
  > problem signing up.  It is now very accessible.
  >
  > Cindy
  >
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
  >> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow
  >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
  >> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  >> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >>
  >>
  >> Hello Dave,
  >>
  >> Oh, yes, certainly, Google's CAPTCHA is an example of a good
  >> audio CAPTCHA
  >> implementation. Just go to the page for signing up for a
  >> Gmail account.
  >>
  >> As far as implementation, one option is ReCAPTCHA.net.
  >>
  >> Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
  >> Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
  >> Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition
  >> asking Yahoo!
  >> to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
  >> Information should be accessible to us without need of translation 
by
  >> another person.
  >> Blind Access Journal blog and podcast:
  >> http://www.blindaccessjournal.com Check out high quality
  >> telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
  >> To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
  >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:43 AM
  >> Subject: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
  >>
  >>
  >> Someone I know, who has a visual capsia on their site, and
  >> needs to add audio asked me for a couple good examples.  Any
  >> recommendations?
  >>
  >> Dave
  >>
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Actually, that USPS solution isn't all that secure so although it is certainly convenient for us and does solve the problem of inaccessibility of solutions by the deaf-blind, it doesn't solve the larger problem of security for the site seeking to verify that it's dealing with a human being and not a bot of some sort.
 
Mike
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:wcmerritt at austin.rr.com Wayne Merritt
To:
mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject:
Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
Actually, the most accessible solution was one I came across several years
ago on the USPS site, where I was changing my address. They indeed had one
of those Captia's, but instead of an audio solution, they had a form that
you filled in your email address. Then, when an email was sent to you, you
were asked to copy and paste the letter/number verification string onto
another web page. By doing so, you solved the Captia issue and did it in a
text manner. It seems that everyone else is caught up on this audio solution
thing, and I'm all for that. However, not many have implemented a text
solution like the USPS site has. I haven't had to change my address since my
last move, so I don't know if they still use this method, but it might be
worth looking into. Ideally, it would be good to have both the audio
solution and a solution like this at a site's disposal. Their address is:
http://www.usps.com www.usps.com
Good luck,
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" < mailto:nu7i at speakeasy.net nu7i at speakeasy.net
>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
> Hello Peter,
>
> Well, of course, I'm all for the most accessible verification system. If
> you
> can point me to evidence that a more text-based scheme is also secure,
> then
> please, by all means, feel free to send me a note to
> mailto:editor at blindaccessjournal.com editor at blindaccessjournal.com
so I may further research, and possibly
> promote, such inherently more accessible solutions.
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
> Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
> Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com http://BlindWebAccess.com
and sign the petition asking Yahoo!
> to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
> Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by
> another person.
> Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i http://ld.net/?nu7i
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donahue" < mailto:pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>
>
> Hello Darrell and listers,
>
> e-mail  messages and blog posts I've read on the subject say the exact
> opposite. I heard of cases where some companies used the traditional
> visual
> captcha and still got spammed to death. When they switched to a word
> verification system the spamming ceased. I guess it's all in who you talk
> to.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" < mailto:nu7i at speakeasy.net nu7i at speakeasy.net
>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> The deaf-blind issue with CAPTCHA is a real sticky one at the moment, as
> most text-based challenge/response schemes are deemed too insecure to be
> considered.  Check out http://phonefactor.net http://phonefactor.net
and tell me if you think
> that
> solution might be reasonably workable for a deaf-blind person.
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
> Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
> Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com http://BlindWebAccess.com
and sign the petition asking Yahoo!
> to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
> Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by
> another person.
> Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i http://ld.net/?nu7i
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donahue" < mailto:pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>
>
> Good evening everyone,
>
>    Unless You're deaf-blind.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "slery" < mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com slerythema at insightbb.com
>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>
>
> pimpmynews.net just changed theirs because several blind people had a
> problem signing up.  It is now very accessible.
>
> Cindy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow
>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>>
>>
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> Oh, yes, certainly, Google's CAPTCHA is an example of a good
>> audio CAPTCHA
>> implementation. Just go to the page for signing up for a
>> Gmail account.
>>
>> As far as implementation, one option is ReCAPTCHA.net.
>>
>> Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
>> Michele Y. Sinnock (sister): 7/20/1957 - 11/29/2007
>> Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com http://BlindWebAccess.com
and sign the petition
>> asking Yahoo!
>> to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
>> Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by
>> another person.
>> Blind Access Journal blog and podcast:
>> http://www.blindaccessjournal.com http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
Check out high quality
>> telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i http://ld.net/?nu7i
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
>> To: < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-web at nfbnet.org nfb-web at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:43 AM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Audio Verification
>>
>>
>> Someone I know, who has a visual capsia on their site, and
>> needs to add audio asked me for a couple good examples.  Any
>> recommendations?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>
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