[gui-talk] Word saying "new line" during writing and editing

Sun Jan 6 13:09:17 CST 2008

hello Maria,

thanks very much for your reply. I went into my text processing options for 
Word as you suggested, and I'm afraid I found that trio of options set 
exactly as you describe yours being set, obviously by default.

So I have to presume that what I've been hearing, though I never heard it in 
equivalent situations while using Word 2000 and editing text that I'd pasted 
in from an email (the only time I've noticed this happening, so far) is that 
the end of line characters jaws is set to speak must be embedded within that 
text.

I'm not clear on what this character is, then. Is it equivalent to a hard 
return? In other words, is it a character that I remember appearing at the 
ends of lines in DOS text editors long ago when I could see the screen 
clearly? If so, I guess that's okay, because if I'm pasting that sort of 
text into Word and saving it as a Word document file, then I'm more than 
likely interested in getting rid of those line breaks so that the text can 
now wrap in Word as would any Word document's text. So when I hear this, 
maybe I'm supposed to backspace and believe that I'm deleting the end of 
line character I just heard?

Or am I not understanding this, actually?

thanks. I'm just trying to figure out if there's some useful functionality 
here that I could be taking advantage of, even though I'm annoyed for the 
time being to have to hear this.
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Word saying "new line" during writing and editing

The only thought I have is that certain options might have gotten checked in
the Text Processing dialog of the Configuration Manager in JAWS which
pertain to the reading of new line characters. If you open the Microsoft
Word.jcf file from within word (JAWSKey+6), go to the Text Processing dialog
(Set Options > Text Processing; ALT+S, T), and take a look at the last three
controls (they are check boxes) before the OK and Cancel buttons in this
dialog, they all pertain to the reading of new line characters. They all
begin with, "Indicate NewLines When:", and the three conditions, in tab
order, are "Editor Wraps Text While Typing" (which would explain JAWS
announcing new line characters as you're typing), "User Navigates Left or
Right Across a Line Break" (which would explain JAWS announcing a new line
character as you're passing it) and "User Reads Text Containing NewLine
Characters" (which I have checked, but JAWS does not exhibit the behavior
you describe below in Word 2003 with that one checked). I've set the first
two conditions to be unchecked and the third to be checked, so if all three
of them happen to be checked in your case, you might want to try unchecking
some/all/the first two of them to see if that makes a difference.
HTH,
Maria
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From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:17 PM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Word saying "new line" during writing and editing

I'm using Jaws 9 (arghh, what a turkey it is on my machine!) and have just
begun using my long-unused copy of MS Office Word 2003 because Jaws 9 no
longer fully supports my good old Word 2000, which I've kept using because I

have relied on its easily accessible and, for me, very useful Thesaurus. And

I can't make any sense out of how to use the thesaurus in Word 2003. But I
bit the bullet, as we say, because I was having problems with Jaws 9 and
Word 2000. Not worth going into, I guess.

But Jaws is exhibiting some odd behaviors now with Word 2003. Not crippling
as would have been the case if I'd stuck with 2000, but pretty annoying.
Here's the one I would like to put an end to:

This hasn't happened before today when I've worked on a document in Word
2003, and I don't know why unless it has something to do with codes that
transferred with some text I copied and pasted from an email.

As I come to the end of a line while writing or editing, or arrow down to
the next line, it sometimes (though not always) announces "new line." Well,
wonderful. I don't need to hear that while I'm working. I know which line
I'm on. And I didn't hit Enter to make this happen, either, by the way.

As I say, maybe it's saying something based on end-of-line codes that came
over with the text I copied and pasted from an email, but I don't know. I've

done this sort of thing a lot of times, and this never happened. Maybe I
hadn't yet done this while using Word 2003, but I can't remember. I've only
been using it for a couple of weeks.

The only thing I could think of was to go to the View tab of the Options
dialogues in the Tools menu, and tab through the items to see if something
was checked that would be announcing end of line. As can be toggled on or
off in regard to paragraph marks, spaces, hyphens and so forth. But there's
nothing there about end of line codes. Or at least I didn't find any such
item. Paragraph marks, yes, as I said. But not "end of line."

So I don't know where Jaws is picking this up, and I'd like it to stop.

Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks for any helpful suggestions.

Joel

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