[gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Tue Feb 5 18:49:35 CST 2008

Jaybee,

All your points are well taken, believe me. And I'm not any kind of computer 
power user, not by a long shot. Which is why I in turn appreciate the wealth 
of skills and knowledge I've picked up by participating in this list. All of 
us gets befuddled by one thing or another and turns to the rest for help, 
and there's quite a lot of expertise here to share. So it's all good, as 
they say. Thanks for putting me at ease. I really hoped not to offend by 
being a little didactic in regard to something about which I do happen to 
have a bit of skill to share.

If you've ever seen the kinds of insulting behavior and mini flame wars that 
can erupt on other lists, you'd see why I'm trying to make sure I haven't 
stepped on a toe or underestimated someone I don't know well yet. It's not 
that no one ever teases or gets teased here, but it's all good hearted and 
nothing like the rudeness I've seen elsewhere.

So, glad we've got it all harmonious and everything is, what's that great 
old expression, copacetic. Yeah. That's it. With a long o in that first 
syllable. Never mind Jaws on that one. :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jaybee" <jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Joel, I assure you that I do not easily take offense, and I use information
such as you have given to aid my skills in computer.  I do what I can to
assist anyone with my limited abilities, and I try to improve my knowledge
by taking tips from those who have more experience in certain areas.  I feel
very sorry for anyone who feels that they have all the knowledge they need,
and therefore fail to profit from the wisdom of others.  Isn't the reason
for such list as this to share helpful information?  I may personally not
agree with everything said or done by other, but I could never, in truth, be
accused of ill will because others disagree with me.  I do appreciate your
frank point, though, at the end of the day, I attempt to give any
information to help, but if anyone has better info, please do not hesitate
to give it, because in so doing, your information helps me to provide more
accurate assistance to someone else.  Again thanks.  I take no offense.
Jaybee
Things eyes of flesh can't see are in the mind.
To those with perfect sight:  I am not blind!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

> hi Jaybee,
>
> Please remember that earlier in this thread, it kept being said that this
> Move Folder item was in the Files menu. So of course I reexamined that
> menu
> to make sure I hadn't missed it all these years. And found nothing, of
> course. but now that you stress that I should have been looking carefully
> in
> the Edit menu in Windows explorer, I do see everything you're mentioning.
> Now, let me explain why I wasn't aware of those items. Please take no
> offense. But one of the really common steps in how you learn to use Jaws
> in
> Windows is the learning of certain keyboard commands that no one ever
> argues
> about as they can with some others. For some operations, the Jaws user who
> never bothers to explore his programs' menus loses a chance to understand
> better how the programs are organized, and to really understand what he or
> she is doing.
> but the series of keyboard commands used for file management has never
> been
> argued about as long as I've been a Jaws guy, which is for years now.
> Because these aren't even Jaws commands, just Windows commands that are
> there whether mouse users know it or not. Nearly everyone uses control c,
> control x, and control v for both files and folders. It's so common I
> couldn't even get my mind around what you might be talking about. In fact
> I
> never open the edit menu in Windows Explorer for any purpose at all,
> because
> all the functions are things I can do in a flash by keyboard commands. The
> same applies to most of the Edit menu functions in Word, as well. So
> whatever you feel about all this now, I hope you'll consider taking a tip
> and getting more friendly with these few Windows keyboard commands, along
> with those for other functions in that Edit menu that are no problem to
> just
> do from the keyboard, too, without bothering to open that menu. You may
> find
> it facilitates your computer work really nicely.
>
> Original Message ----- 
> From: "jaybee" <jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>
>
> Joel, you make a very valid point.  What I described: you highlight the
> folder that you're moving; then to to the Edit menu.  If you arrow down
> while on this menu, you should eventually get to Copy to Folder, and just
> below this, you should get to: Move to Folder.  Thanks for th info abouthe
> moving folder which is definitely a very viable option. If this option I
> mentioned is not there, I do not understand why.  Jaybee.
> Things eyes of flesh can't see are in the mind.
> To those with perfect sight:  I am not blind!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>
>
>> Jaybee,
>>
>> First of all, you have to ask yourself why you don't just use the same
>> method as I described for moving a folder. That's all this other method
>> is
>> doing for you, you know. It's cutting the folder to the clipboard and
>> pasting it in where you say to. Maybe you aren't aware that moving a
>> folder
>> doesn't involve doing anything with the files inside the folder. You just
>> select that folder, same as if you were navigating to it in the tree
>> view,
>> and just do whatever you want. The files within it will all move along
>> with
>> the folder name. See? It's not any more trouble at all.
>>
>> And again, I have to ask you: Just where is this view menu you're
>> describing
>> that has a Move Folder item on it? As I said, I just went into Windows
>> Explorer to see if I'd forgotten something that was in the View menu, but
>> no, there isn't anything there about moving folders. What are you talking
>> about? Thanks.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "jaybee" <jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>>
>>
>> Hi Joel.  What you described, I usually do when I'm only moving one or a
>> few
>> files, but usually when I move an entire folder I basically do it the way
>> I
>> described.  I will be the first to admit that I may not have understood
>> what
>> was being asked for.  By the way, I did finally find the associate file
>> that
>> you suggested: Normal.dot, and it does work.  Again thanks for the
>> suggestion.  Jaybee
>> Things eyes of flesh can't see are in the mind.
>> To those with perfect sight:  I am not blind!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jaybee,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but you'd better leave me out of this. First of all, if I
>>> want
>>> to
>>> simply move a folder, I select it in the folder tree view of Windows
>>> Explorer, press control x to cut to clipboard, navigate to the folder
>>> underneath which I want it to go, and press control v to paste it there.
>>> That's all.
>>>
>>> And in the Windows explorer View menu, I don't have any such item as
>>> Move
>>> Folder. So I just don't understand your directions. So I'll leave it to
>>> someone else to comment, if anyone wishes to. I'll be interested to find
>>> out
>>> what it is you're describing, though. Might be a helpful alternative to
>>> my
>>> usual way of doing file management.
>>>
>>> And just in case it's helpful, the folder of these bookmarks is called
>>> the
>>> Favorites folder, plural.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm curious to see what this method of folder management is about.
>>> Oh.
>>> I know exactly what you mean about discovering that there are two or
>>> three
>>> Favorites folders on your hard drive. Same for My Documents.  and a
>>> couple
>>> of other things. In Windows Explorer, there's this group of folders that
>>> appears above the local drive c: and the 3 1/2 floppy drive A. When I
>>> migrated from Windows 98 to Windows XP, I wasn't familiar with that
>>> stuff.
>>> In Windows 98, Windows Explorer opened right on drive C, and you could
>>> arrow
>>> up to the A drive if you wanted to, but there wasn't this whole little
>>> section of extra folders up above that plus a folder for your desktop..
>>> This
>>> group of folder above it in XP, let's see what they are again-- Desktop,
>>> my
>>> documents, my pictures, and a couple of other things, I don't even know
>>> what
>>> they're doing there, and I don't use them for anything. I stash files
>>> and
>>> create folders only on local drive c:, off what we used to call the root
>>> directory. Maybe somebody will explain to me what those folders are
>>> about,
>>> or what bibarc means, for the love of Mike. I mean it's always the
>>> default
>>> where some file wants to download to, and I have to adjust things to
>>> direct
>>> the download to where it belongs, meanwhile thinking "bib arc?" This is
>>> something about a cloth you tie around your neck while you're eating
>>> lobster, with a rainbow on it or something?
>>>
>>> Such are the unsolved mysteries of Windows.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "jaybee" <jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel, if I'm hearing right, and grant it, I may not be, Sherri is
>>> attempting
>>> to move the entire folder Favorites, and if this is the case, she needs
>>> to
>>> go to the Favorites folder where ever it is, (I must tell you though, I
>>> have
>>> several Favorite foldars, and they're in different places.  One of my
>>> favorite folders have nothing in it.  So be sure you have the favorite
>>> folder you desire).  go to the Edit menu, arrow down to Move to folderk
>>> and
>>> hit enter Then, by tabbing through the options she will find a list of
>>> folders.  Find the one you want, and without entering that folder, tab
>>> to
>>> Move and hit enter, and the entire Favorite folder will move from where
>>> ever
>>> it is to the selected folder.  Hope this helps some. Best.  Jaybee
>>> Things eyes of flesh can't see are in the mind.
>>> To those with perfect sight:  I am not blind!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sherry,
>>>>
>>>> you don't have to do anything. When I want to edit my Favorites list
>>>> within
>>>> Windows Explorer rather than bother trying to do it while actually on
>>>> the
>>>> Web, that's exactly where I go. Or almost, anyway, because all my stuff
>>>> is
>>>> under Documents and Settings/Admin. Not All Users.
>>>>
>>>> But in any case, that's fine. They don't have to go anywhere, so far as
>>>> I
>>>> know. In fact, I've never even looked for Internet Explorer as a
>>>> folder.
>>>> Let
>>>> me see where that is...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I can't figure out where there are actual folders with Internet
>>>> Explorer files on my hard drive. I never thought about it. The only
>>>> place
>>>> I
>>>> ever was told to look for the Favorites folders and files was just
>>>> where
>>>> I
>>>> said they are, under documents and settings. And you can work with them
>>>> just
>>>> fine there.
>>>>
>>>> Now if you're saying you actually no longer have Favorites when you're
>>>> on
>>>> the Web and you press Insert I (in IE 7) or Insert A, I think it is, in
>>>> IE
>>>> 6, that's a mystery I would have no ideas about.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'm not sure what it is that's bothering you, I confess. Sorry.
>>>> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <accesscomp at yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:41 PM
>>>> Subject: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am desperately in need of someone who is computer knowledgeable to
>>>> help
>>>> me
>>>> with my latest computer dilemma. Today, my daughter unwittingly made a
>>>> change to my folders and now my "favorites" have disappeared. I found
>>>> them
>>>> all residing in a folder under documents and settings/all users, but I
>>>> don't
>>>> know how to get that folder back into my IE7 under favorites. I can
>>>> access
>>>> each website, but I must first go to documents and settings to do so.
>>>> Any
>>>> suggestions on how to move this folder back where it belongs. I already
>>>> tried system restore and it didn't change anything. Any help would be
>>>> monumentally appreciated. I have spent all day at this, much to the
>>>> detriment of my work, which is medical transcription.
>>>> Sherri
>>>>
>>>> sbrun at cfl.rr.com
>>>>
>>>> TO DONATE YOUR USED CELL PHONE AND CHANGE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BLIND IN
>>>> CENTRAL FLORIDA go to:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whether we succeed or fail in what we do is not the essential thing.
>>>>
>>>> What is important is the heart with which we live our lives.
>>>>
>>>>
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