[gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Tue Feb 5 11:04:15 CST 2008

I solved my AVG problem, but I'm still working on the favorites thing. I 
discovered that it wasn't looking at hidden files and when I changed that 
option, my favorites did show up, so I'll take it from there. Thanks for 
your detailed and thorough explanation.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Hi Sherry,

I just reread my message here, and just in case it's necessary to do so, I'm
going to say don't confuse my mentions of Windows Explorer with Internet
Explorer. Sorry if that sounds dumb, but as you'll see later, I can't for
the life of me actually figure out what environment you're talking about
being in when you describe your recent frustrations, so I just want to make
sure you don't just hear the word Explorer and conflate your browser, IE,
with Windows Explorer.

first of all, this whole time I have not been talking about doing anything
from within one program or another. I've been talking about using Windows
Explorer as it's meant to be used, for file management. I don't see how that
wasn't clear. It's so common. And I kept mentioning Windows  Explorer. And
in Windows Explorer, the very place where so far as I know, a person
actually does most such operations, there isn't any such item under the
Files menu. I knew that, and was perplexed to hear such a thing described.

But I looked at the two other Microsoft Windows applications I use, apart
from smaller things like my anti spyware program or my podcast receiver,
because they have quirky, non standard interfaces. I also launched Open Book
to look at it, too.

Of all these, the only one I found to have a Folder item with a submenu
including Move Folder was Outlook Express, and I've always known that. And
OE and its folders don't behave quite like other file folders,but more as a
kind of game of their own within the OE interface, so I never took that to
be anything universal. And I never have even bothered to use it, because in
OE (this is different from being in Windows Explorer. It's sort of its own
little world with its own little message and folder system) you just press
control Shift V to begin to move a message (not a folder, so far as I know),
then navigate to the folder where you want to put it, and press Enter to
paste it in there. Bang, bang, bang. Done.

I don't even understand why there would be a Files/Folder/Move Folder thing
in Word or another program, because why would someone want to perform file
management on their hard drive from within word? That didn't make sense to
me. And again, in Windows Explorer, where you do manipulate files and
folders, it's really done mostly by dragging and dropping for a sighted user
or cutting and pasting and so forth by keyboard by us screen reader users.
Not by using some menu method.files

So far as the commands for cut, copy and paste are up there on the View (not
Files) menu of Windows Explorer, that's an entirely different thing, just a
menu method of doing exactly the same as I described by talking about
control c, control x and control v. And that applies as much to doing stuff
with folders in Windows explorer as it does with files. Same operations.

I give up. I don't know where you're seeing this Folder/Move folder menu
item in some Files menu. As I've said before, I still suspect that someone
is not being clear about the environment in which they're doing this stuff.
Ought I to also check my menus in Internet Explorer to see if its files menu
offers this feature for moving something around in a Favorites list from
within IE? Okay, hold on...

OE. Nope.. In OE itself, the files menu has no Folder item. And if I put up
the Favorites list by  pressing Control I or Alt A, and then inspect the
Files menu, it hasn't changed (Outlook Express menus, some of them, do show
different items depending on the context in which they're opened).

So I'm still entirely at sea about this whole thing of Folder/Move Folder
from a menu. when you first wrote in, I wasn't sure what actually had
happened to you, to be honest. I couldn't tell if you were saying (or
implying) that you'd been in your browser, IE, and pressed a key combination
to open your Favorites list and click on one of them to go to that Web site,
and all of a sudden you had not a single icon in your Favorites list, a big
shock. Or whether for some unexplained reasons, you'd gone into Windows
Explorer , navigated to the folder under which you remembered your Favorites
being kept, just to look at them for some reason or maybe delete one of the
entries (the icons appear as files in this setting) and found the folder
empty? I couldn't figure out what had happened, and I guess I still don't
know what happened to you with all this.

Well, I'm sorry. as before, good luck. I look forward to eventually finding
out what's was going on this whole time that I wasn't understanding.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Hi Joel, This works in most applications in Windows. If you're going to move
a folder, you press alt-F for file and then I believe arrow once to the
right and as you down arrow, it says copy folder and down arrowing once more
will get you to "move folder" then you tab and select where you want the
folder to be moved to and there it is. HTH.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

yes, that is what I'm saying. Didn't I say it clearly enough? If I didn't,,
sorry. anyway, where is this Move Folder menu item. I never have seen
something like that. Thanks. Is it in a menu in Windows Explorer? Or is it
in some completely different place?

Anway, I don't know what sounded odd
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Jole, I reckon your method is quicker.  Why not just access the explorer
environment, open the appropriate directory and cut and paste the folder
where she wants?  I guess maybe that's the gist of your suggestion.  Much
faster than arrowing through the menu structure to find the move folder
option under the edit menu I'd say.  But then again, there's more than one
way to do things in these here windows aint there?

Sincerely yours,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
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God bless our troops!
and God bless America
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Hi Jaybee,

I'm sorry, but you'd better leave me out of this. First of all, if I want to
simply move a folder, I select it in the folder tree view of Windows
Explorer, press control x to cut to clipboard, navigate to the folder
underneath which I want it to go, and press control v to paste it there.
That's all.

And in the Windows explorer View menu, I don't have any such item as Move
Folder. So I just don't understand your directions. So I'll leave it to
someone else to comment, if anyone wishes to. I'll be interested to find out
what it is you're describing, though. Might be a helpful alternative to my
usual way of doing file management.

And just in case it's helpful, the folder of these bookmarks is called the
Favorites folder, plural.

Well, I'm curious to see what this method of folder management is about. Oh.
I know exactly what you mean about discovering that there are two or three
Favorites folders on your hard drive. Same for My Documents.  and a couple
of other things. In Windows Explorer, there's this group of folders that
appears above the local drive c: and the 3 1/2 floppy drive A. When I
migrated from Windows 98 to Windows XP, I wasn't familiar with that stuff.
In Windows 98, Windows Explorer opened right on drive C, and you could arrow
up to the A drive if you wanted to, but there wasn't this whole little
section of extra folders up above that plus a folder for your desktop.. This
group of folder above it in XP, let's see what they are again-- Desktop, my
documents, my pictures, and a couple of other things, I don't even know what
they're doing there, and I don't use them for anything. I stash files and
create folders only on local drive c:, off what we used to call the root
directory. Maybe somebody will explain to me what those folders are about,
or what bibarc means, for the love of Mike. I mean it's always the default
where some file wants to download to, and I have to adjust things to direct
the download to where it belongs, meanwhile thinking "bib arc?" This is
something about a cloth you tie around your neck while you're eating
lobster, with a rainbow on it or something?

Such are the unsolved mysteries of Windows.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jaybee" <jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

Joel, if I'm hearing right, and grant it, I may not be, Sherri is attempting
to move the entire folder Favorites, and if this is the case, she needs to
go to the Favorites folder where ever it is, (I must tell you though, I have
several Favorite foldars, and they're in different places.  One of my
favorite folders have nothing in it.  So be sure you have the favorite
folder you desire).  go to the Edit menu, arrow down to Move to folderk and
hit enter Then, by tabbing through the options she will find a list of
folders.  Find the one you want, and without entering that folder, tab to
Move and hit enter, and the entire Favorite folder will move from where ever
it is to the selected folder.  Hope this helps some. Best.  Jaybee
Things eyes of flesh can't see are in the mind.
To those with perfect sight:  I am not blind!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites

> Sherry,
>
> you don't have to do anything. When I want to edit my Favorites list
> within
> Windows Explorer rather than bother trying to do it while actually on the
> Web, that's exactly where I go. Or almost, anyway, because all my stuff is
> under Documents and Settings/Admin. Not All Users.
>
> But in any case, that's fine. They don't have to go anywhere, so far as I
> know. In fact, I've never even looked for Internet Explorer as a folder.
> Let
> me see where that is...
>
> Well, I can't figure out where there are actual folders with Internet
> Explorer files on my hard drive. I never thought about it. The only place
> I
> ever was told to look for the Favorites folders and files was just where I
> said they are, under documents and settings. And you can work with them
> just
> fine there.
>
> Now if you're saying you actually no longer have Favorites when you're on
> the Web and you press Insert I (in IE 7) or Insert A, I think it is, in IE
> 6, that's a mystery I would have no ideas about.
>
> I guess I'm not sure what it is that's bothering you, I confess. Sorry.
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <accesscomp at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:41 PM
> Subject: [gui-talk] straightening out my favorites
>
>
> I am desperately in need of someone who is computer knowledgeable to help
> me
> with my latest computer dilemma. Today, my daughter unwittingly made a
> change to my folders and now my "favorites" have disappeared. I found them
> all residing in a folder under documents and settings/all users, but I
> don't
> know how to get that folder back into my IE7 under favorites. I can access
> each website, but I must first go to documents and settings to do so. Any
> suggestions on how to move this folder back where it belongs. I already
> tried system restore and it didn't change anything. Any help would be
> monumentally appreciated. I have spent all day at this, much to the
> detriment of my work, which is medical transcription.
> Sherri
>
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