[gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Sat Oct 27 12:27:47 CDT 2007
Seems to me it works with just Control+PGDN; no need for Control+P
Control+PGDN. For Control+K for reading preferences, one must use the
JAWS Passthru Key (JAWS Key+Numbersign) before as Control+K is used for
something else in JAWS.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
Please let us know what you find out about the document, if you were
seeing all that was there. It would also be helpful
if other JFW users would let us know if CONTROL PGDN works.,
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:11:37 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>Okay. I'll try using the go to feature next time I have the energy to
try
>again. But no, Jaws doesn't redefine the control page down and up
keys. I
>use them all the time. There is a strange problem with that in Word,
where
>if you try to use those page to page navigation Windows commands
after doing
>a Word search within a document, they'll activate some part of that
search
>function until you open the search function again and fool Jaws by
doing a
>couple of things people have to pass on to each other in a Jaws list
after
>someone figures it out. But that isn't the issue here.
>I've copied and pasted the single page of text I was able to see in
this
>newsletter, and emailed it to the person and asked them if this was
all they
>put into the newsletter or if I'm missing something. So that will be
a
>start. I would like to figure this out.
>Thanks again.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
>Another thing that occurs to me is that possibly JFW redefines the
CONTROL
>PGUP and CONTROL PGDN key. Both
>Lloyd and I are Window-Eyes users. Another thing you can try is to
go to
>the "view" menu and then the "go to" item
>and select the next page option. If that does not bring you to a new
page
>that you have not seen, then it is almost
>certainly something with that particular document.
>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:19:19 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>>Hi Steve,
>>Thanks, but this won't help. First of all, this is not some enormous
>>document, just a friendly little newsletter someone sent out to her
>>friends,
>>replete with what must be a few photographs here and there because
Jaws
>>identifies them as graphics and reads some number, and I don't mean
ANSII
>>numbers identifying graphics. Anyway, I'm sure it's not much more
text than
>>would have filled a couple of Word document pages, if that. And
Control
>>page
>>down and control page up don't get me anywhere but to what appears
to be
>>the
>>premature cutoff of a narrative about bundling up and distributing
clothing
>>and food to impoverished villagers in Lebanon.
>>I'm just going to copy what text I've got, and email it to her
within an
>>email message area, and ask her if this is all there is and she
stopped
>>writing because some terrorist incident happened. Just kidding.
>>I will, though, take a look at my preferences, just to review, but I
doubt
>>it's got anything to do with this. For all I know, the problem
really might
>>not be at my need, after all. I'll just have to find out.
>>Joel
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
>>Joel,
>>If a PDF document is relatively small, Adobe Acrobat will put the
entire
>>document into the JFW virtual buffer where the
>>virtual cursor can read it. In Window-Eyes, this is the Browse Mode
or
>>MSAA
>>buffer. That is apparently what usually
>>happens to you. If the document is larger than some number of
pages, it is
>>presented a page at a time. Use CONGROL
>>PAGE DOWN or CONTROL PAGE UP to move to the next or previous pages.
the
>>PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP will still
>>move screen by screen within a page, but usually there are only a
screen or
>>two.
>>The number of pages that determines what Adobe Acrobat Reader will
do is in
>>the preferences menu. However, if one
>>loads a large document all at once into the virtual buffer, it can
take a
>>considerable length of time to load.
>>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:17 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>>>Usually when I open a .pdf document with Adobe Reader 7 (I've tried
>>>downloading and installing Version 8 but it's some new, confusing
>>>procedure
>>>that even a sighted friend who's an I T professional can't figure
out how
>>>to
>>>manage).
>>>Anyway, someone sent me a .pdf document I'd like to read all of,
but I'm
>>>being stopped at the bottom of what I presume is just the first
page of
>>>many. As I was going to say first off, though I'm not a big .pdf
kind of
>>>guy, when I do open one now and then, I never have this trouble. I
can
>>>always read the entire thing, whether I do it with down arrowing,
or a
>>>Jaws
>>>Say All, or using the page down command or whatever it is (I forget
again)
>>>you're supposed to use in an Adobe document. But this one won't let
me go
>>>farther then the bottom of one page. Or maybe it's just one screen,
even.
>>>I went into the View menu, but I didn't understand the menu items
and
>>>submenus. Can anyone with more expertise straighten me out? Thanks
a lot.
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>gui-talk mailing list
>>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
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Seems to me it works with just Control+PGDN; no need for Control+P Control+PGDN. For Control+K for reading preferences, one must use the JAWS Passthru Key (JAWS Key+Numbersign) before as Control+K is used for something else in JAWS.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com Steve Jacobson
To:
mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM
Subject:
Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
Please let us know what you find out about the document, if you were seeing all that was there. It would also be helpful
if other JFW users would let us know if CONTROL PGDN works.,
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:11:37 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>Okay. I'll try using the go to feature next time I have the energy to try
>again. But no, Jaws doesn't redefine the control page down and up keys. I
>use them all the time. There is a strange problem with that in Word, where
>if you try to use those page to page navigation Windows commands after doing
>a Word search within a document, they'll activate some part of that search
>function until you open the search function again and fool Jaws by doing a
>couple of things people have to pass on to each other in a Jaws list after
>someone figures it out. But that isn't the issue here.
>I've copied and pasted the single page of text I was able to see in this
>newsletter, and emailed it to the person and asked them if this was all they
>put into the newsletter or if I'm missing something. So that will be a
>start. I would like to figure this out.
>Thanks again.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Jacobson" < mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com steve.jacobson at visi.com
>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
>Another thing that occurs to me is that possibly JFW redefines the CONTROL
>PGUP and CONTROL PGDN key. Both
>Lloyd and I are Window-Eyes users. Another thing you can try is to go to
>the "view" menu and then the "go to" item
>and select the next page option. If that does not bring you to a new page
>that you have not seen, then it is almost
>certainly something with that particular document.
>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:19:19 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>>Hi Steve,
>>Thanks, but this won't help. First of all, this is not some enormous
>>document, just a friendly little newsletter someone sent out to her
>>friends,
>>replete with what must be a few photographs here and there because Jaws
>>identifies them as graphics and reads some number, and I don't mean ANSII
>>numbers identifying graphics. Anyway, I'm sure it's not much more text than
>>would have filled a couple of Word document pages, if that. And Control
>>page
>>down and control page up don't get me anywhere but to what appears to be
>>the
>>premature cutoff of a narrative about bundling up and distributing clothing
>>and food to impoverished villagers in Lebanon.
>>I'm just going to copy what text I've got, and email it to her within an
>>email message area, and ask her if this is all there is and she stopped
>>writing because some terrorist incident happened. Just kidding.
>>I will, though, take a look at my preferences, just to review, but I doubt
>>it's got anything to do with this. For all I know, the problem really might
>>not be at my need, after all. I'll just have to find out.
>>Joel
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" < mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com steve.jacobson at visi.com
>
>>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc
>>Joel,
>>If a PDF document is relatively small, Adobe Acrobat will put the entire
>>document into the JFW virtual buffer where the
>>virtual cursor can read it. In Window-Eyes, this is the Browse Mode or
>>MSAA
>>buffer. That is apparently what usually
>>happens to you. If the document is larger than some number of pages, it is
>>presented a page at a time. Use CONGROL
>>PAGE DOWN or CONTROL PAGE UP to move to the next or previous pages. the
>>PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP will still
>>move screen by screen within a page, but usually there are only a screen or
>>two.
>>The number of pages that determines what Adobe Acrobat Reader will do is in
>>the preferences menu. However, if one
>>loads a large document all at once into the virtual buffer, it can take a
>>considerable length of time to load.
>>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:17 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>>>Usually when I open a .pdf document with Adobe Reader 7 (I've tried
>>>downloading and installing Version 8 but it's some new, confusing
>>>procedure
>>>that even a sighted friend who's an I T professional can't figure out how
>>>to
>>>manage).
>>>Anyway, someone sent me a .pdf document I'd like to read all of, but I'm
>>>being stopped at the bottom of what I presume is just the first page of
>>>many. As I was going to say first off, though I'm not a big .pdf kind of
>>>guy, when I do open one now and then, I never have this trouble. I can
>>>always read the entire thing, whether I do it with down arrowing, or a
>>>Jaws
>>>Say All, or using the page down command or whatever it is (I forget again)
>>>you're supposed to use in an Adobe document. But this one won't let me go
>>>farther then the bottom of one page. Or maybe it's just one screen, even.
>>>I went into the View menu, but I didn't understand the menu items and
>>>submenus. Can anyone with more expertise straighten me out? Thanks a lot.
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>gui-talk mailing list
>>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>_______________________________________________
>gui-talk mailing list
>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>_______________________________________________
>gui-talk mailing list
>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
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