[gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc

Sat Oct 27 00:11:37 CDT 2007

Okay. I'll try using the go to feature next time I have the energy to try 
again. But no, Jaws doesn't redefine the control page down and up keys. I 
use them all the time. There is a strange problem with that in Word, where 
if you try to use those page to page navigation Windows commands after doing 
a Word search within a document, they'll activate some part of that search 
function until you open the search function again and fool Jaws by doing a 
couple of things people have to pass on to each other in a Jaws list after 
someone figures it out. But that isn't the issue here.

I've copied and pasted the single page of text I was able to see in this 
newsletter, and emailed it to the person and asked them if this was all they 
put into the newsletter or if I'm missing something. So that will be a 
start. I would like to figure this out.

Thanks again.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc

Another thing that occurs to me is that possibly JFW redefines the CONTROL 
PGUP and CONTROL PGDN key.  Both
Lloyd and I are Window-Eyes users.  Another thing you can try is to go to 
the "view" menu and then the "go to" item
and select the next page option.  If that does not bring you to a new page 
that you have not seen, then it is almost
certainly something with that particular document.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:19:19 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>Hi Steve,

>Thanks, but this won't help. First of all, this is not some enormous
>document, just a friendly little newsletter someone sent out to her 
>friends,
>replete with what must be a few photographs here and there because Jaws
>identifies them as graphics and reads some number, and I don't mean ANSII
>numbers identifying graphics. Anyway, I'm sure it's not much more text than
>would have filled a couple of Word document pages, if that. And Control 
>page
>down and control page up don't get me anywhere but to what appears to be 
>the
>premature cutoff of a narrative about bundling up and distributing clothing
>and food to impoverished villagers in Lebanon.

>I'm just going to copy what text I've got, and email it to her within an
>email message area, and ask her if this is all there is and she stopped
>writing because some terrorist incident happened. Just kidding.

>I will, though, take a look at my preferences, just to review, but I doubt
>it's got anything to do with this. For all I know, the problem really might
>not be at my need, after all. I'll just have to find out.

>Joel
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Need help moving through an Adobe .pdf doc

>Joel,

>If a PDF document is relatively small, Adobe Acrobat will put the entire
>document into the JFW virtual buffer where the
>virtual cursor can read it.  In Window-Eyes, this is the Browse Mode or 
>MSAA
>buffer.  That is apparently what usually
>happens to you.  If the document is larger than some number of pages, it is
>presented a page at a time.  Use CONGROL
>PAGE DOWN or CONTROL PAGE UP to move to the next or previous pages.  the
>PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP will still
>move screen by screen within a page, but usually there are only a screen or
>two.

>The number of pages that determines what Adobe Acrobat Reader will do is in
>the preferences menu.  However, if one
>loads a large document all at once into the virtual buffer, it can take a
>considerable length of time to load.

>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:17 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>>Usually when I open a .pdf document with Adobe Reader 7 (I've tried
>>downloading and installing Version 8 but it's some new, confusing 
>>procedure
>>that even a sighted friend who's an I T professional can't figure out how
>>to
>>manage).

>>Anyway, someone sent me a .pdf document I'd like to read all of, but I'm
>>being stopped at the bottom of what I presume is just the first page of
>>many. As I was going to say first off, though I'm not a big .pdf kind of
>>guy, when I do open one now and then, I never have this trouble. I can
>>always read the entire thing, whether I do it with down arrowing, or a 
>>Jaws
>>Say All, or using the page down command or whatever it is (I forget again)
>>you're supposed to use in an Adobe document. But this one won't let me go
>>farther then the bottom of one page. Or maybe it's just one screen, even.

>>I went into the View menu, but I didn't understand the menu items and
>>submenus. Can anyone with more expertise straighten me out? Thanks a lot.

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