[gui-talk] The voicing of m dash

[Joel Deutsch]

hi,

Em dashes aren't "funny." they're intended for use with prose text. They're 
not something typically used in other formats, like table or whatever you're 
doing. They should simply not be created in thus contexts. A simple press of 
the dash key ought to suffice, and that should give you the kind of dash you 
want. If you're using Word for this, and word is set to create an em dash if 
you type to sashes one immediately after the other, then turn off the 
"smart" something or other in the options that does that and other things 
like it. That's all. And if you aren't in Word, the program you're using 
probably won't create them anyway. It's not something that just happens 
every time you press the dash key twice. You have to be in a program that is 
set up to create a solid em dash when you do that.

No worries, in other words.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs at qwest.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] The voicing of m dash


It may not be remaining in ignorance, we use software at work to transfer
documents into electronic charts and we cannot use those funny dashes, or
anything that prints above the line like the & sign, subscripts or
superscripts, even apostrophes get stripped out so we are encouraged to
avoid them as much as possible.  Seems this is the trend for medical
transcription, it looks stupid but what can we do, the characters won't
print or won't transfer from our software to the charting software.  Has
something to do with a critter called HL7.

We don't work in Word any longer, so we don't have the same access to the
punctuation that gives this think such a stroke.  I only wish we did work in
Word, what we have is a nightmare for Jaws and me.



Rose Combs
rosecombs at qwest.net
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:04 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] The voicing of m dash

I reiterate. Do you *really* want to remain in ignorance of the printed
characters you are working with? To me, that's like saying that you don't
care whether your characters are uppercase, bolded or italic.

Mike

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Allen Maynard
  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] The voicing of m dash


  Hi, Mr. Oppermann and list,

  Is there a way to set Jaws 8 not to voice this?


  Sincerely,

  Allen Maynard
  Access Technology Specialist
  Computer Services Department
  Hadley School for the Blind
  Phone:  toll-free:  800-323-4238
  Email:  allen at hadley.edu
  Web Site:  www.hadley.edu

  -----Original Message-----
  From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Charles Oppermann
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:55 AM
  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] The voicing of m dash

  That's because it's an "em dash" character, not a regular dash
character. The Unicode character set includes several different
dash-like characters.  Here are some that I put in using the Character
Map tool.

  -       Regular Dash
  ‐       Hyphen
  -       En (“e n”) Dash
  -       Em (“e m”) Dash
  ―       Horizontal Bar

  I’d forgotten the meanings of En versus Em dashes and had to look it
up here:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash

  Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft
Corporation http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/

  -----Original Message-----
  From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Allen Maynard
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:00 AM
  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  Subject: [gui-talk] The voicing of m dash

  Hi, listers,

  How do you set it so Jaws will not say "M dash" when it sees a dash,
I'm assuming?

  I am using Jaws 8, office 2003, and Windows XP-pro.

  It says this "m dash" in Word and sometimes on web pages and it is
annoying.

  Thanks

  Sincerely,

  Allen Maynard
  Access Technology Specialist
  Computer Services Department
  Hadley School for the Blind
  Phone:  toll-free:  800-323-4238
  Email:  allen at hadley.edu
  Web Site:  www.hadley.edu
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