[gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Sat Nov 10 16:03:52 CST 2007

1. I don't listen to no program streams. I'm not much into that.
2. So you're saying "Man, it don't matter what they think they be sayin' 
with this full install, standard install, and none of that stuff. They just 
be trippin'. You just ignore that stuff and check what you wanna check, man, 
and you be good to go. don't pay no nevermind to that other thing."

So whatever. I chose full install, didn't uncheck anything, opted out of the 
junk in later dialogues that would make them keep trying to sign me up for 
remote or send me messages on my desktop every time I booted, and now I'm 
cool. I just listened to my latest Spanish lesson at Spanishsense.com, a 
nice online instructional service Dean Martineau turned me onto in one of 
his top Tech Tidbits bulletins. So it's all good. We all be on the same 
page. but I'm axing you, my brother, if that installation stuff don't mean 
nothin', how come they put it on you, know what I'm sayin"?

Arghh. You get shot for being logical, now?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Unless you're planning to redevelop the interface, all you need to know are
which features to check and uncheck.  Then, you'll be up and running in time
for this weekend's program streams.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:59 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Okay. I just went through that dialogue, letting the focus rest on one
installation style at a time, then tabbing to the list of features and
arrowing down it to see which ones were there, and which were checked or
unchecked.

First of all, exactly the same six features are always showing in that list.

It doesn't expand or contract at all as you switch among installation types.

Second, so far as I can determine, the only feature that loses its check
mark as you go to lighter versions of the installation is Winamp Library.
That starts out checked in Full,then becomes unchecked in the rest of the
installation types. and that is the ONLY difference that shows up in this
dialogue. So, I've got to infer that there are other differences that
distinguish one installation type from the other, not only this (or else
more of those listed features would become unchecked as you descend from
Full to Standard to Lite).

So, to say I shouldn't hassle it is like saying nothing, in this case. There
must certainly  be a difference between those installation types beyond this
one feature being turned off when you move lower than the Full version. And
that isn't explained anywhere that I'm aware of. Which means, well, you're
just supposed to guess. This is very clear to me. I don't at all think I was
being too demanding to wonder. I spent a period of my professional life
writing just this sort of documentation, although for larger and more
complex systems. And this is called bad instructional system design. Period.

Apparently, nobody knows (unless they're all on the blind Winamp list, which
I don't feel like messing with again), so everyone's supposed to just make a
blind guess and choose one, and some say turn off Winamp agent and others
say that hasn't been important for Jaws users for a few years already and
that Winamp agent performs a useful function, preventing other apps like WMP
from usurping the file type associations you've carefully set in Winamp,
without your being aware until it's too late that you're gonna have to go
back into Winamp preferences, and maybe into WMP options as well, and reset
things.

it's the wild, wild, west or something. Oh, well. I'm gonna go for the full
installation, uncheck visualizations, though I don't see what harm they
could do me if they're just like the same thing in WMP, like screen saver
designs that move with the music.

Ack. I'll bet there's a real Winamp Help feature somewhere with books and
topics, and if you read something in there *before* you install the program
(though how, I can't guess) then you are taught what these different
installation types are about. Talk about system design. I did find an online
Winamp help function of some sort, but it's this page links didn't work and
I couldn't make any sense of it. Oh, well. Onward.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Similar lists of features seem to appear no matter which installation type
you check. I have a feeling the difference may be something more than that.
But I'll go try it again and patiently check each type, in turn, and see
which features are shown. Needless to say, though I'm just the one who's
liable to say it, this is not very informative design for a dialogue like
this. I shouldn't have to be asking the way I am. Of course, back in the
days when you got programs at the store in boxes, they came with printed
manuals, from slender pamphlets for something like this (probably, I'm
guessing) to fat volumes of instruction for something like Word. But in the
first chapter, Installation, or maybe it would have been the second one
after a one-page thing about system requirements, you'd have been told in a
few paragraphs that the program can be installed in several configurations,
and here's the difference, and here's how to choose among them. So when you
got to the actual dialogue, you'd know exactly what was being presented to
you. God forbid they should waste their time with anything as human friendly
as that, anymore, which could be done online at a company Web site, too.
English. Sentences and paragraphs. Not bulleted lists and tables and search
edit fields. But so it goes, and I find myself asking these questions and
everyone just guessing, around and around  It's not our fault. We're not
being told what we need to know. It's real simple. Shoddy behavior on the
vendor's part.

Okay. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

I believe you'll have more control over witch features you install that way.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:16 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Why?
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

choose, custom

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:08 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

But remember what I said. There are several installation types. Full,
standard, lite and something else. Now I think each of those brings up a
slightly different set of components, but I want to know which instillation
type to choose, and only then will I go to the next area and uncheck any
components that are still there but which you say I'm to get rid of.

First I want to know which type to choose, regardless of the second step.
Thanks.

whichweveral
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

While visualizations won't hurt they can't help.  You don't want to install
the Agent, Remote, and you want the classic skin.  The first check box will
have a check in it you can't remove because it's the player itself.  so, go
down the list from there and uncheck the items previously mentioned.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 PM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Which Winamp 5.5 installation type to use?

Hi,

I'm about to install  Winamp 5.5, an I don't know how, as a Jaws user, I'm
supposed to choose among the several different installation types. It seems
that each type associated with a certain range of features, which seem to
change as you change installation types. but I don't know which to include
as a Jaws user for maximum accessibility and functionality.

I did find my way to some Winamp help page on the Web, and found an
explanation of what "Visualizations" are, and they're just the same as
similar animated displays used in WMP to jazz up the look of the interface
while something's flaying, sort of like a variety of screen savers that jump
around to the music. Not something I care much about, and certainly not if
it distracts the Jaws focus in any way. But about the rest of the
capabilities listed for each installation type, I have no idea what to make
of that or how to just choose an installation type.
thanks to anyone who knows how to deal with this. I'm a Jaws 8x user, if I
didn't mention it.

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