[gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
jaybee
jayjohnson62 at bellsouth.net
Thu May 31 00:10:54 CDT 2007
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>I haven't been keeping up with GUI-Talk, my apologies. Here's the quick
>summary:
>
> Outlook Express: Shipped with Windows 98 through Windows XP,
> originally known as Internet Mail and News. Often confused with Microsoft
> Outlook.
>
> Windows Mail: New version of Outlook Express, only available with
> Windows Vista. Looks and works just like Outlook Express.
>
> Windows Live Mail: Is a beta product that looks and acts like Windows
> Mail and Outlook Express, but supports web-based e-mail like Windows Live
> Hotmail. Available here:
> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>
> Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft
> Corporation
> http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:36 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
> Can you please elaborate?
>
> What exactly will the differences be?
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> I-mail:
> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
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>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> Presently, you're correct but this will all change and the difference will
> have to do with whether you access it on the web or on your desk top.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:59 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
> I understand that "Windows Live Mail" is different from "Windows Mail".
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr.
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> What I do not understand is this. IF you read my list of complaints
> about
> Windows Live Mail beta, (and I'm quite sure you have) I'd sure like to
> know
> how the final release of Windows Mail is going to be different from
> what I
> tested. It seemed to me Windows Live Mail beta was tied very heavily
> to
> Windows Live Messenger. See my list of complaints for the other
> details.
> Someone else here says that this is going to be hitting us perhaps
> next week
> or so. If any of you know where I can get more details about the
> final
> release of Windows Mail, I'd sure love to know. Thanks.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> and very skeptical about the new Windows Mail client,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> Blog:
> www.raysworld.blogs.com
> Podcast .rss Feed:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> Windows live mail is different than windows mail.
>
> Windows mail is going to be replacing Outlook Express. Live mail
> simply is
> replacing the hotmail reader.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> What's happening is that Windows Live Mail is going to be able to
> access Hot
> Mail through the program like you can from the desk top with O.E.
> currently, that can't be done. Presently, you can download I.E. 7
> without
> loosing O.E. However, it's thought that, soon, you will loose O.E. in
> favor
> of Windows Live Mail when you update to I.E. 7. Currently Vista users
> have
> no choice but to use Windows Live Mail because it's installed by
> default
> along with I.E. 7. Therefore it's recommended to download I.E. 7 now
> before
> you have to take Windows Mail unless you don't care which E-mail
> client you
> use. And so it goes."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Dave W
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
> Hello,
> Am I missing something here? I try to keep up on things as much as
> possible
> but have not heard anything about this. Is OE going away? Can
> someone
> send a link so I can read more about this please. Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Wermuth
> A and N Independent Living
> www.anindependentliving.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> > >From what I understand, it's supposed to happen in a few weeks. I
> > >noticed a
> > few points of aggravation with the beta of Windows live mail.
> >
> > 1. When you go to compose a new message and you start to type in an
> > e-mail
> > address, Windows Live mail may or may not automatically populate the
> to
> > field with a complete e-mail address for you; but, whether it does
> or not,
> > you can't tell whether or not this has happened because JAWS won't
> give
> > you
> > feedback on this unless you tab to the subject line and back again.
> >
> > 2. When entering the "unread mail" folder, and after you read a
> message
> > there, you don't get feedback on whether or not any other messages
> there
> > are
> > read or unread; so, you just have to remember which messages you
> read and
> > which you didn't.
> >
> > 3. Still pertaining to the "Unread mail" folder, even after you
> read a
> > message and delete it, it will still show up in the folder until you
> tab
> > away from and back to it again.
> >
> > 4. Messages don't get sent to any of your subfolders until after
> you've
> > read them in the "unread mail" folder.
> >
> > 5. As you navigate up and down subfolders, you cannot use first
> letter
> > navigation to jump quickly to a desired folder. Let's say for
> example
> > that
> > you have a folder called "PersonalMessages" and another called
> > "BankMessages". Well, at least with the beta of Windows Live Mail
> > desktop,
> > you cannot jus press P to go to the personal messages folder nor B
> to jump
> > directly to the Bank messages folder. You must use up and down
> arrows all
> > the time to go from one to another. Furthermore, as you move up or
> down,
> > folder names get read twice sometimes. For example, as you pass
> over the
> > Bank Messages folder, JAWS will say "BankMessages selected". But
> then, as
> > you down arrow once again, The name of the same folder will often
> repeat
> > but
> > you won't hear "selected" this time.
> >
> > 6. The address book does not exist in the beta version of Windows
> Live
> > Mail. Instead, Windows Live Mail Beta Desktop replies on your
> Windows Lie
> > Messenger contact list. That's why it makes you sign in to Windows
> Live
> > using your Windows Live ID and password. Any groups you created in
> > Outlook
> > Express are now gone and you have no access to them at all.
> >
> > 7. When scrolling up and down through your contacts list, all you
> see are
> > the e-mail addresses of your contacts. This applies even if you've
> > imported
> > your address book. No names are shown at all.
> >
> > 8. You cannot use first letter navigation to quickly jump to a
> contact's
> > email address or name; if there is a name. Instead, you must use up
> or
> > down
> > arrows to navigate. this applies when you press control+shift+c to
> get in
> > to your contacts list area or press control+n to send a new message.
> >
> > 9. The search edit box is no help when trying to quickly select a
> contact
> > to whom to send a message; and, neither is right clicking on a
> contact
> > helpful.
> >
> > With such a laundry list, I sure hope they've cleaned this up by
> the
> > final release. IF not, I believe I can anticipate quite a few
> complaints.
> > I
> > also anticipate Freedom Scientific will need to issue a patch or two
> to
> > get
> > this fixed up.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> > The Constantly Barefooted,
> > Ray
> > Home phone and fax:
> > (985)853-0139
> > E-mail:
> > rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> > Skype Name:
> > barefootedray
> > Blog:
> > www.raysworld.blogs.com
> > Podcast .rss Feed:
> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
> >
> > God bless President George W. Bush!
> > God bless our troops!
> > and God bless America
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
> >
> >
> > When is this change happening? Also, I thought IE 7 wasn't very
> acessible
> > with Jaws?
> >
> > Jen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
> >
> >
> >> I'm using Windows Live Mail Beta right now. There are a few things
> to
> >> get
> >> used to; but, so far, no accessibility issues that I can see.
> >>
> >> The only thing is I can't seem to find my address book even though
> it was
> >> imported. Guess I'll just have to keep playing with this one for
> now.
> >> Oh,
> >> one more thing. When ever you type text in to the body of a
> message, you
> >> have to go in to forms mode if using JAWS. Hot keys, such as
> control+r
> >> to
> >> reply, control+n for new message, control+shift+r for reply to all
> and
> >> such
> >> all appear to be the same. In short, I don't anticipate you'll
> have any
> >> major issues with Windows Mail.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >> Sincerely yours,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted,
> >> Ray
> >> Home phone and fax:
> >> (985)853-0139
> >> E-mail:
> >> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> >> Skype Name:
> >> barefootedray
> >> Blog:
> >> www.raysworld.blogs.com
> >> Podcast .rss FGod bless President George W. Bush!
> >> God bless our troops!
> >> and God bless America
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
> >> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
> >> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:15 PM
> >> Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
> >>
> >> Since Windows Mail is supposed to be replacing Outlook Express for
> XP
> >> users
> >> soon, is there any information about the accessibility of the
> product
> >> with
> >> screen readers? Thanks.
> >>
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