[gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Tue May 29 22:58:54 CDT 2007
I understand that "Windows Live Mail" is different from "Windows Mail".
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Foret Jr.
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
What I do not understand is this. IF you read my list of complaints
about
Windows Live Mail beta, (and I'm quite sure you have) I'd sure like to
know
how the final release of Windows Mail is going to be different from
what I
tested. It seemed to me Windows Live Mail beta was tied very heavily
to
Windows Live Messenger. See my list of complaints for the other
details.
Someone else here says that this is going to be hitting us perhaps
next week
or so. If any of you know where I can get more details about the
final
release of Windows Mail, I'd sure love to know. Thanks.
Sincerely yours,
and very skeptical about the new Windows Mail client,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
Home phone and fax:
(985)853-0139
E-mail:
rforetjr at bellsouth.net
Skype Name:
barefootedray
Blog:
www.raysworld.blogs.com
Podcast .rss Feed:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
God bless President George W. Bush!
God bless our troops!
and God bless America
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
Windows live mail is different than windows mail.
Windows mail is going to be replacing Outlook Express. Live mail
simply is
replacing the hotmail reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
What's happening is that Windows Live Mail is going to be able to
access Hot
Mail through the program like you can from the desk top with O.E.
currently, that can't be done. Presently, you can download I.E. 7
without
loosing O.E. However, it's thought that, soon, you will loose O.E. in
favor
of Windows Live Mail when you update to I.E. 7. Currently Vista users
have
no choice but to use Windows Live Mail because it's installed by
default
along with I.E. 7. Therefore it's recommended to download I.E. 7 now
before
you have to take Windows Mail unless you don't care which E-mail
client you
use. And so it goes."
-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Dave W
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:29 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
Hello,
Am I missing something here? I try to keep up on things as much as
possible
but have not heard anything about this. Is OE going away? Can
someone
send a link so I can read more about this please. Thanks,
David Wermuth
A and N Independent Living
www.anindependentliving.com
For your Adaptive Aids
Office# 253-882-9341
Toll Free# 1-888-474-0904
Fax# 253-473-1782
M-F 8:00 to 6:00 PST
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
> >From what I understand, it's supposed to happen in a few weeks. I
> >noticed a
> few points of aggravation with the beta of Windows live mail.
>
> 1. When you go to compose a new message and you start to type in an
> e-mail
> address, Windows Live mail may or may not automatically populate the
to
> field with a complete e-mail address for you; but, whether it does
or not,
> you can't tell whether or not this has happened because JAWS won't
give
> you
> feedback on this unless you tab to the subject line and back again.
>
> 2. When entering the "unread mail" folder, and after you read a
message
> there, you don't get feedback on whether or not any other messages
there
> are
> read or unread; so, you just have to remember which messages you
read and
> which you didn't.
>
> 3. Still pertaining to the "Unread mail" folder, even after you
read a
> message and delete it, it will still show up in the folder until you
tab
> away from and back to it again.
>
> 4. Messages don't get sent to any of your subfolders until after
you've
> read them in the "unread mail" folder.
>
> 5. As you navigate up and down subfolders, you cannot use first
letter
> navigation to jump quickly to a desired folder. Let's say for
example
> that
> you have a folder called "PersonalMessages" and another called
> "BankMessages". Well, at least with the beta of Windows Live Mail
> desktop,
> you cannot jus press P to go to the personal messages folder nor B
to jump
> directly to the Bank messages folder. You must use up and down
arrows all
> the time to go from one to another. Furthermore, as you move up or
down,
> folder names get read twice sometimes. For example, as you pass
over the
> Bank Messages folder, JAWS will say "BankMessages selected". But
then, as
> you down arrow once again, The name of the same folder will often
repeat
> but
> you won't hear "selected" this time.
>
> 6. The address book does not exist in the beta version of Windows
Live
> Mail. Instead, Windows Live Mail Beta Desktop replies on your
Windows Lie
> Messenger contact list. That's why it makes you sign in to Windows
Live
> using your Windows Live ID and password. Any groups you created in
> Outlook
> Express are now gone and you have no access to them at all.
>
> 7. When scrolling up and down through your contacts list, all you
see are
> the e-mail addresses of your contacts. This applies even if you've
> imported
> your address book. No names are shown at all.
>
> 8. You cannot use first letter navigation to quickly jump to a
contact's
> email address or name; if there is a name. Instead, you must use up
or
> down
> arrows to navigate. this applies when you press control+shift+c to
get in
> to your contacts list area or press control+n to send a new message.
>
> 9. The search edit box is no help when trying to quickly select a
contact
> to whom to send a message; and, neither is right clicking on a
contact
> helpful.
>
> With such a laundry list, I sure hope they've cleaned this up by
the
> final release. IF not, I believe I can anticipate quite a few
complaints.
> I
> also anticipate Freedom Scientific will need to issue a patch or two
to
> get
> this fixed up.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> Blog:
> www.raysworld.blogs.com
> Podcast .rss Feed:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> When is this change happening? Also, I thought IE 7 wasn't very
acessible
> with Jaws?
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
>> I'm using Windows Live Mail Beta right now. There are a few things
to
>> get
>> used to; but, so far, no accessibility issues that I can see.
>>
>> The only thing is I can't seem to find my address book even though
it was
>> imported. Guess I'll just have to keep playing with this one for
now.
>> Oh,
>> one more thing. When ever you type text in to the body of a
message, you
>> have to go in to forms mode if using JAWS. Hot keys, such as
control+r
>> to
>> reply, control+n for new message, control+shift+r for reply to all
and
>> such
>> all appear to be the same. In short, I don't anticipate you'll
have any
>> major issues with Windows Mail.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss FGod bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>>
>> Since Windows Mail is supposed to be replacing Outlook Express for
XP
>> users
>> soon, is there any information about the accessibility of the
product
>> with
>> screen readers? Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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I understand that "Windows Live Mail" is different from "Windows Mail".
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net Ray Foret Jr.
To:
mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Monday, May 28, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject:
Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
What I do not understand is this. IF you read my list of complaints about
Windows Live Mail beta, (and I'm quite sure you have) I'd sure like to know
how the final release of Windows Mail is going to be different from what I
tested. It seemed to me Windows Live Mail beta was tied very heavily to
Windows Live Messenger. See my list of complaints for the other details.
Someone else here says that this is going to be hitting us perhaps next week
or so. If any of you know where I can get more details about the final
release of Windows Mail, I'd sure love to know. Thanks.
Sincerely yours,
and very skeptical about the new Windows Mail client,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
Home phone and fax:
(985)853-0139
E-mail:
mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
Skype Name:
barefootedray
Blog:
http://www.raysworld.blogs.com www.raysworld.blogs.com
Podcast .rss Feed:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
God bless President George W. Bush!
God bless our troops!
and God bless America
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Moore" < mailto:don.moore48 at comcast.net don.moore48 at comcast.net
>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
Windows live mail is different than windows mail.
Windows mail is going to be replacing Outlook Express. Live mail simply is
replacing the hotmail reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: "albert griffith" < mailto:albertpgriffith at hotmail.com albertpgriffith at hotmail.com
>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
What's happening is that Windows Live Mail is going to be able to access Hot
Mail through the program like you can from the desk top with O.E.
currently, that can't be done. Presently, you can download I.E. 7 without
loosing O.E. However, it's thought that, soon, you will loose O.E. in favor
of Windows Live Mail when you update to I.E. 7. Currently Vista users have
no choice but to use Windows Live Mail because it's installed by default
along with I.E. 7. Therefore it's recommended to download I.E. 7 now before
you have to take Windows Mail unless you don't care which E-mail client you
use. And so it goes."
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Dave W
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:29 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
Hello,
Am I missing something here? I try to keep up on things as much as possible
but have not heard anything about this. Is OE going away? Can someone
send a link so I can read more about this please. Thanks,
David Wermuth
A and N Independent Living
http://www.anindependentliving.com www.anindependentliving.com
For your Adaptive Aids
Office# 253-882-9341
Toll Free# 1-888-474-0904
Fax# 253-473-1782
M-F 8:00 to 6:00 PST
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." < mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
> >From what I understand, it's supposed to happen in a few weeks. I
> >noticed a
> few points of aggravation with the beta of Windows live mail.
>
> 1. When you go to compose a new message and you start to type in an
> e-mail
> address, Windows Live mail may or may not automatically populate the to
> field with a complete e-mail address for you; but, whether it does or not,
> you can't tell whether or not this has happened because JAWS won't give
> you
> feedback on this unless you tab to the subject line and back again.
>
> 2. When entering the "unread mail" folder, and after you read a message
> there, you don't get feedback on whether or not any other messages there
> are
> read or unread; so, you just have to remember which messages you read and
> which you didn't.
>
> 3. Still pertaining to the "Unread mail" folder, even after you read a
> message and delete it, it will still show up in the folder until you tab
> away from and back to it again.
>
> 4. Messages don't get sent to any of your subfolders until after you've
> read them in the "unread mail" folder.
>
> 5. As you navigate up and down subfolders, you cannot use first letter
> navigation to jump quickly to a desired folder. Let's say for example
> that
> you have a folder called "PersonalMessages" and another called
> "BankMessages". Well, at least with the beta of Windows Live Mail
> desktop,
> you cannot jus press P to go to the personal messages folder nor B to jump
> directly to the Bank messages folder. You must use up and down arrows all
> the time to go from one to another. Furthermore, as you move up or down,
> folder names get read twice sometimes. For example, as you pass over the
> Bank Messages folder, JAWS will say "BankMessages selected". But then, as
> you down arrow once again, The name of the same folder will often repeat
> but
> you won't hear "selected" this time.
>
> 6. The address book does not exist in the beta version of Windows Live
> Mail. Instead, Windows Live Mail Beta Desktop replies on your Windows Lie
> Messenger contact list. That's why it makes you sign in to Windows Live
> using your Windows Live ID and password. Any groups you created in
> Outlook
> Express are now gone and you have no access to them at all.
>
> 7. When scrolling up and down through your contacts list, all you see are
> the e-mail addresses of your contacts. This applies even if you've
> imported
> your address book. No names are shown at all.
>
> 8. You cannot use first letter navigation to quickly jump to a contact's
> email address or name; if there is a name. Instead, you must use up or
> down
> arrows to navigate. this applies when you press control+shift+c to get in
> to your contacts list area or press control+n to send a new message.
>
> 9. The search edit box is no help when trying to quickly select a contact
> to whom to send a message; and, neither is right clicking on a contact
> helpful.
>
> With such a laundry list, I sure hope they've cleaned this up by the
> final release. IF not, I believe I can anticipate quite a few complaints.
> I
> also anticipate Freedom Scientific will need to issue a patch or two to
> get
> this fixed up.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> Blog:
> http://www.raysworld.blogs.com www.raysworld.blogs.com
> Podcast .rss Feed:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" < mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com freespirit328 at gmail.com
>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> When is this change happening? Also, I thought IE 7 wasn't very acessible
> with Jaws?
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." < mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
>> I'm using Windows Live Mail Beta right now. There are a few things to
>> get
>> used to; but, so far, no accessibility issues that I can see.
>>
>> The only thing is I can't seem to find my address book even though it was
>> imported. Guess I'll just have to keep playing with this one for now.
>> Oh,
>> one more thing. When ever you type text in to the body of a message, you
>> have to go in to forms mode if using JAWS. Hot keys, such as control+r
>> to
>> reply, control+n for new message, control+shift+r for reply to all and
>> such
>> all appear to be the same. In short, I don't anticipate you'll have any
>> major issues with Windows Mail.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> http://www.raysworld.blogs.com www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss FGod bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Moore" < mailto:don.moore48 at comcast.net don.moore48 at comcast.net
>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
>> < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>>
>> Since Windows Mail is supposed to be replacing Outlook Express for XP
>> users
>> soon, is there any information about the accessibility of the product
>> with
>> screen readers? Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk
>>
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