[gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Tue May 29 14:54:16 CDT 2007

Ray, I confess I didn't arrow down all the way to see if this was addressed 
to me, because, well, I don't care to keep hearing that bumper sticker. I 
say that with a wry smile, not a hateful one. Trying to get along, here. But 
if you're talking to me, I had no reason to be asking them that other stuff. 
I don't use that Live Messenger thing, am not involved in Beta anything, and 
haven't upgraded to Vista, either. So what I reported was just to the point 
in terms of the one thing I cared about, which was IE 7 and OE. Sorry. 
That's all I learned.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

So, did they say anything at all to you about using the final release
version of Windows Live Mail with JAWS version 7.1 on XP machines?  IF not,
I'll ask myself.  Come to think of it, I did; but, I think I ask the
question in regard to the beta version...should have known better than that.
Anyhow, we'll see I suppose.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Hi Albert,
I just got off the phone with a well-informed tier 2 tech support person at
FS, and here's what he explained to me about this:

Outlook Express will continue to be bundled with IE 7 when it's installed on
an XP machine. That will not change. So it's not as if, at some time in the
near future, if you download IE7 and install it, suddenly you'll find OE
replaced by the unfamiliar Windows Mail. This just isn't what's going to
happen.

Only when you upgrade to the Vista operating system will the version of
Internet Explorer associated with it present Windows Mail as your new email
client, and there will be a number of different things about how it's used,
just as there are differences with Vista in general. But so long as you stay
with XP, OE 6 will remain the browser associated with IE 7.

Joel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

To me this is a no  brainer!  Download I.E. 7 while it has O.E. with it.
Since you can download Windows Live Mail as a separate component for the
present, do that and check it out.  I mean, why not play the odds?

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:20 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

hello Ray,
What do you mean by saying "support for OE will die?" Do you mean if I ever
felt the need to write or call Microsoft tech support to help me with some
OE problem, I wouldn't get any answer? that's the first thing I think of as
"support." Now, you may mean something else. Like OE will suddenly stop
working, even if you haven't upgraded to IE 7? Thanks very much. Sometimes I
just don't get the expressions people use, and I really want to understand
this, because I'm using OE, even though I don't ever contact anyone for
support with it.

Thanks very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Yes, what you've heard is true.  Wen the final release version of Windows
Mail actually comes out via the regular Microsoft update feature, support
for Outlook Express will die.  I forget now who; but, somebody else on this
list was saying this should happen perhaps this or next week.

Sincerely yours,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave W" <kosi123 at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Hello,
Am I missing something here?  I try to keep up on things as much as possible
but have not heard anything about this.  Is OE going away?  Can  someone
send a link so I can read more about this please.  Thanks,

David Wermuth
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

> >From what I understand, it's supposed to happen in a few weeks.  I
> >noticed a
> few points of aggravation with the beta of Windows live mail.
>
> 1.  When you go to compose a new message and you start to type in an
> e-mail
> address, Windows Live mail may or may not automatically populate the to
> field with a complete e-mail address for you; but, whether it does or not,
> you can't tell whether or not this has happened because JAWS won't give
> you
> feedback on this unless you tab to the subject line and back again.
>
> 2.  When entering the "unread mail" folder, and after you read a message
> there, you don't get feedback on whether or not any other messages there
> are
> read or unread; so, you just have to remember which messages you read and
> which you didn't.
>
> 3.  Still pertaining to the "Unread mail" folder, even after you read a
> message and delete it, it will still show up in the folder until you tab
> away from and back to it again.
>
> 4.  Messages don't get sent to any of your subfolders until after you've
> read them in the "unread mail" folder.
>
> 5.  As you navigate up and down subfolders, you cannot use first letter
> navigation to jump quickly to a desired folder.  Let's say for example
> that
> you have a folder called "PersonalMessages" and another called
> "BankMessages".  Well, at least with the beta of Windows Live Mail
> desktop,
> you cannot jus press P to go to the personal messages folder nor B to jump
> directly to the Bank messages folder.  You must use up and down arrows all
> the time to go from one to another.  Furthermore, as you move up or down,
> folder names get read twice sometimes.  For example, as you pass over the
> Bank Messages folder, JAWS will say "BankMessages selected".  But then, as
> you down arrow once again, The name of the same folder will often repeat
> but
> you won't hear "selected" this time.
>
> 6.  The address book does not exist in the beta version of Windows Live
> Mail.  Instead, Windows Live Mail Beta Desktop replies on your Windows Lie
> Messenger contact list.  That's why it makes you sign in to Windows Live
> using your Windows Live ID and password.  Any groups you created in
> Outlook
> Express are now gone and you have no access to them at all.
>
> 7.  When scrolling up and down through your contacts list, all you see are
> the e-mail addresses of your contacts.  This applies even if you've
> imported
> your address book.  No names are shown at all.
>
> 8.  You cannot use first letter navigation to quickly jump to a contact's
> email address or name; if there is a name.  Instead, you must use up or
> down
> arrows to navigate.  this applies when you press control+shift+c to get in
> to your contacts list area or press control+n to send a new message.
>
> 9.  The search edit box is no help when trying to quickly select a contact
> to whom to send a message; and, neither is right clicking on a contact
> helpful.
>
>    With such a laundry list, I sure hope they've cleaned this up by the
> final release. IF not, I believe I can anticipate quite a few complaints.
> I
> also anticipate Freedom Scientific will need to issue a patch or two to
> get
> this fixed up.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> Blog:
> www.raysworld.blogs.com
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> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> When is this change happening? Also, I thought IE 7 wasn't very acessible
> with Jaws?
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
>> I'm using Windows Live Mail Beta right now.  There are a few things to
>> get
>> used to; but, so far, no accessibility issues that I can see.
>>
>> The only thing is I can't seem to find my address book even though it was
>> imported.  Guess I'll just have to keep playing with this one for now.
>> Oh,
>> one more thing.  When ever you type text in to the body of a message, you
>> have to go in to forms mode if using JAWS.  Hot keys, such as control+r
>> to
>> reply, control+n for new message, control+shift+r for reply to all and
>> such
>> all appear to be the same.  In short, I don't anticipate you'll have any
>> major issues with Windows Mail.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss FGod bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>>
>> Since Windows Mail is supposed to be replacing Outlook Express for XP
>> users
>> soon, is there any information about the accessibility of the product
>> with
>> screen readers?  Thanks.
>>
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