[gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Tue May 29 12:11:48 CDT 2007

Albert,

Are you saying that for the moment, IE 7 is still bundled with OE in an 
updated version of the familiar email client? And that at some future point, 
this will change and they'll start bundling the new program with it, 
instead, so that if you didn't upgrade the browser before that, you won't be 
able to hang onto your legacy OE email client?

This is just when I wish that our very own Microsoft insider would step in 
and clarify a few things... :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Since there's a shortage of facts, it would seems prudent to install I.E. 7
while we can because it will have  bundled with it, O.E.  If we wait we may
have to use an inaccessible program.  However, I can say that it works well
with Vista right now.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:14 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

I thought we understood it the same way.  Look, we both know we don't have
very many facts to go on in this whole crazy thing.  Like I said to Frank
last night.  Let's have some hard facts to go on.  IF he, or for that
matter, anybody else has better facts than we seem to have right now, let's
have them.  So far, just about all we've got is the experiences of myself
and a few others who have been playing with the beta for Windows Live mail
and a lot of speculation about this and that.  It would seem that those who
truly know the fats aren't talking or posting anything on the web so far as
I can see.  I can tell you this.  IF the final release of Windows Mail comes
out behaving like the beta for Windows Live Mail, there's going to be a lot
of blind people complaining very loudly.  IF Microsoft won't do anything
about it, I reckon it's up to Freedomscientific and the other screen reader
makers to come out with patches for the things I talked about earlier.  So,
I say again.  IF anybody out there has better facts than we seem to have
just at the moment, come forth with them; and, please, site your sources so
we all can take a look.

Thanks.

Sincerely yours,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

What do you mean by "email support?" I thought that was the topic. That
Outlook Express is threatened to no longer be "supproted," and I was asking
what you meant by "support." Thanks very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Right off, I'd guess that your guess is correct; but, on top of that, this
would apply equally to e-mail support as well.

Sincerely yours,
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Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

hello Ray,
What do you mean by saying "support for OE will die?" Do you mean if I ever
felt the need to write or call Microsoft tech support to help me with some
OE problem, I wouldn't get any answer? that's the first thing I think of as
"support." Now, you may mean something else. Like OE will suddenly stop
working, even if you haven't upgraded to IE 7? Thanks very much. Sometimes I
just don't get the expressions people use, and I really want to understand
this, because I'm using OE, even though I don't ever contact anyone for
support with it.

Thanks very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Yes, what you've heard is true.  Wen the final release version of Windows
Mail actually comes out via the regular Microsoft update feature, support
for Outlook Express will die.  I forget now who; but, somebody else on this
list was saying this should happen perhaps this or next week.

Sincerely yours,
The Constantly Barefooted,
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave W" <kosi123 at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

Hello,
Am I missing something here?  I try to keep up on things as much as possible
but have not heard anything about this.  Is OE going away?  Can  someone
send a link so I can read more about this please.  Thanks,

David Wermuth
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?

> >From what I understand, it's supposed to happen in a few weeks.  I
> >noticed a
> few points of aggravation with the beta of Windows live mail.
>
> 1.  When you go to compose a new message and you start to type in an
> e-mail
> address, Windows Live mail may or may not automatically populate the to
> field with a complete e-mail address for you; but, whether it does or not,
> you can't tell whether or not this has happened because JAWS won't give
> you
> feedback on this unless you tab to the subject line and back again.
>
> 2.  When entering the "unread mail" folder, and after you read a message
> there, you don't get feedback on whether or not any other messages there
> are
> read or unread; so, you just have to remember which messages you read and
> which you didn't.
>
> 3.  Still pertaining to the "Unread mail" folder, even after you read a
> message and delete it, it will still show up in the folder until you tab
> away from and back to it again.
>
> 4.  Messages don't get sent to any of your subfolders until after you've
> read them in the "unread mail" folder.
>
> 5.  As you navigate up and down subfolders, you cannot use first letter
> navigation to jump quickly to a desired folder.  Let's say for example
> that
> you have a folder called "PersonalMessages" and another called
> "BankMessages".  Well, at least with the beta of Windows Live Mail
> desktop,
> you cannot jus press P to go to the personal messages folder nor B to jump
> directly to the Bank messages folder.  You must use up and down arrows all
> the time to go from one to another.  Furthermore, as you move up or down,
> folder names get read twice sometimes.  For example, as you pass over the
> Bank Messages folder, JAWS will say "BankMessages selected".  But then, as
> you down arrow once again, The name of the same folder will often repeat
> but
> you won't hear "selected" this time.
>
> 6.  The address book does not exist in the beta version of Windows Live
> Mail.  Instead, Windows Live Mail Beta Desktop replies on your Windows Lie
> Messenger contact list.  That's why it makes you sign in to Windows Live
> using your Windows Live ID and password.  Any groups you created in
> Outlook
> Express are now gone and you have no access to them at all.
>
> 7.  When scrolling up and down through your contacts list, all you see are
> the e-mail addresses of your contacts.  This applies even if you've
> imported
> your address book.  No names are shown at all.
>
> 8.  You cannot use first letter navigation to quickly jump to a contact's
> email address or name; if there is a name.  Instead, you must use up or
> down
> arrows to navigate.  this applies when you press control+shift+c to get in
> to your contacts list area or press control+n to send a new message.
>
> 9.  The search edit box is no help when trying to quickly select a contact
> to whom to send a message; and, neither is right clicking on a contact
> helpful.
>
>    With such a laundry list, I sure hope they've cleaned this up by the
> final release. IF not, I believe I can anticipate quite a few complaints.
> I
> also anticipate Freedom Scientific will need to issue a patch or two to
> get
> this fixed up.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> Blog:
> www.raysworld.blogs.com
> Podcast .rss Feed:
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
> When is this change happening? Also, I thought IE 7 wasn't very acessible
> with Jaws?
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>
>
>> I'm using Windows Live Mail Beta right now.  There are a few things to
>> get
>> used to; but, so far, no accessibility issues that I can see.
>>
>> The only thing is I can't seem to find my address book even though it was
>> imported.  Guess I'll just have to keep playing with this one for now.
>> Oh,
>> one more thing.  When ever you type text in to the body of a message, you
>> have to go in to forms mode if using JAWS.  Hot keys, such as control+r
>> to
>> reply, control+n for new message, control+shift+r for reply to all and
>> such
>> all appear to be the same.  In short, I don't anticipate you'll have any
>> major issues with Windows Mail.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss FGod bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Moore" <don.moore48 at comcast.net>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List"
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility of Windows Mail?
>>
>> Since Windows Mail is supposed to be replacing Outlook Express for XP
>> users
>> soon, is there any information about the accessibility of the product
>> with
>> screen readers?  Thanks.
>>
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