[gui-talk] JAWS and WordPad

[Steve Jacobson]

Joe,

You did fine, and it definitely that besides changing things, those scripts also broke some things as well which is what I 
was trying to determine.  Part of the attempt with those scripts was to make a number of applications behave similarly.  It 
is possible that a "find forward" function was created that is not actually in the particular application you were in, but it 
doesn't sound as though you particularly found it useful anyway given that it leaves out options and sometimes provides 
the "unknown script" error.  Thanks for responding.

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:17:07 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>Steve,

>I obtained the Homer files by clicking on a link provided in Dean's weekly 
>Top Tech Tidbits. It was my own fault. I didn't realize until I installed 
>them and then began reading through the documentation that they were not 
>meant for ordinary end users like me just to provide a few functions to make 
>Notepad (in my case) as flexible and manipulable as Word. I just didn't 
>understand that they weren't really something I needed, nor that it would 
>require a lot of memorization and practice (the "learning curve," as they 
>say) to be able to make any use of them.

>That said, I have no understanding of the distinction between the two 
>effects you mention, below. All I can say is descriptive. Whey seem to have 
>caused a lot of odd glitches to happen in Jaws, but the most dramatic 
>effects were in Notepad, and here was the most obvious one. If I was in an 
>open text documents in Notepad, and wanted to use the Find function (control 
>F) to look for something further along in the text, dramatic things would 
>happen. Sometimes the Find function wouldn't appear at all, and Jaws would 
>announce something (you know the proper wording, I'm sure) "unknown script 
>called to" and then proceed to spell out one of the pertinent words later in 
>that message character by character, in the Jaws cursor voice.

>Other times, when I pressed Control F, the dialogue that would appear would 
>be, instead of Find, something called Find Forward, of which I'd never 
>heard, which invited me to type the target word or phrase in the edit box, 
>and then would in fact find it. But I could not call it up a second time, 
>getting only the "unknown script called to" response from Jaws if I tried 
>again. Also, this forward find dialogue, if I explored it by tabbing through 
>it, lacked all the options of the usual Find dialogue. You couldn't choose 
>to search up instead of down, case sensitive or case insensitive, and so 
>forth. I have never before, or since, encountered this Find Forward 
>dialogue.

>Another little glitch that may suggest something to a programmer was that, 
>while the Homer scripts were in force, I could no longer expand (maximize, I 
>mean) a Notepad window after opening the file by simply rolling my fingers 
>quickly without a pause over alt space bar x. You know, of course, that alt 
>spacebar brings down a little menu for adjusting the interface-- move, 
>minimize, maximize, etc.). Usually, I can do this all in one rolling 
>keystroke. But while things were messed up by Homer, I had to pause after 
>alt spacebar and then press x or arrow to Maximize in that little menu and 
>hit Enter. Now that the scripts are out of the way, I can again maximize 
>without hesitating at that point in Notepad just as I can in OE or anywhere 
>else it's useful to do so,, without ever having to be aware of the menu or 
>hearing a Windows error bell scold me if I hit X too quickly.

>Hope this is of some help. Sorry I don't know how to address the issue in 
>the terms you're using. Not a programmer, this guy. :-)

>P.S. And yes, I of course tried a Jaws repair first, which had no effect. 
>Maybe that means that no files in Jaws were corrupted, which is possibly 
>what you'd call "breakage" under the terms below?
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] JAWS and WordPad


>Kris,

>Do you know how you got the "homer" files?  My understanding of these was 
>that they provide a base as well as
>specific scripts for certain editors and program development platforms. 
>Since they are affecting WordPad as Joel has
>found, we need to find out if that is intentional or accidental.  Joel, were 
>you able to determine if they caused something
>to work differently as opposed to actually breaking something?  I would like 
>to raise this issue on another programming
>list if we can determine that these scripts are actually "breaking" 
>something.

>On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:50:37 -0500, Kris Hickerson wrote:

>>Hi Joel,

>>I worked for the State of Illinois Data Center for 15 years and I fully
>>understand how one little change even in an update that's supposed to be
>>better, can end up causing a problem.  However, I'm like you and am not
>>convinced that this is FS's doing.

>>I'm glad you mentioned the Homer files because I have those, too.  That's
>>going to be my first candidate to look at.  I think that I will probably 
>>not
>>even need to contact FS, because I think it's here on my end not theirs.

>>I'll let you know.

>>Kris


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