[gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

Wed Jul 11 21:23:52 CDT 2007

Chuck,

Well, I'm not sure what you're wishing me luck with, as I discovered that I 
could convert this thing with little trouble via Open Book, after all that 
confusion. But thanks nonetheless. A little good luck, I can always use!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

Good luck Joel!

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:47 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

chuck,
ah, it was in the Tools menu! I assumed it would be in the Files Menu, in
the submenu of choices with the usual Send as Email and Send as Fax! I
needed to have been told it wasn't there. Not too intuitive an arrangement,
I don't think. But I get it, now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

When you have the TIFF or MDI file loaded into the Microsoft Office Document
Imaging application, it's just an image, or series of images.  You can
annotate it with colored highlighters and other things, but it's like a
image editor.

However, you can use it's built in OCR features to recognize text.  When you
have an image file loaded, go to the Tools menu and choose "Send text to
Word..." which will prompt you to first recognize the text using OCR.

Once OCR has been performed on the file, the file retains that information
(the OCR'ed text) if you save it.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:42 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

chuck,

Just for the experience, I tried doing what you suggested, which has nothing
to do with this .pdf file, but still I became curious when I opened these
Office programs and looked at the menus. So I put something printed into my
scanner, made sure that it was recognized by the canning program, and am now
looking at the resulting .tif file in the document imaging program. I also
saved it in the other format you're offered during a save.

But now I've got the result displayed onscreen, and I can see there's text
there, but lacking central retinal vision (and more, besides, though central
vision's the key to why I can't decipher print) I can see there's a screen
full of text, but Jaws can't read it. Did not expect Jaws would be able to
read it, of curse.

So I went to the Files menu to the Send option to see if I could send it to
Word or however you described that, but there's nothing but the usual Word
Send alternatives to send as email or as a fax. So having gotten to this
stage using a printed document, I still can't do the final step you
suggested.

I wouldn't mind learning to do this as I've done in this case, scanning an
actual document, but I see I'll need help making this something readable,
also. I mean, just in case Open Book goes on the fritz at a bad time and I
really need to scan something. although I'll need to know how to make it
readable with Word and Jaws.
somehing.
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

By the way, if you have Microsoft Office, there is an excellent OCR program
included with it.  Print the document to the "Microsoft Image Writer
Printer" and then open the resulting file using the Microsoft Office
Document Imaging program in the Office Tools section of the Start Menu.

There is an option that reads something like "send text to Microsoft Word",
which will OCR the image and create a Word file with the text.  Note that
the image document retains the OCR information afterwards.

No extra software needed.

Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft
Corporation
http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:01 AM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

Yep, that's the way I figured it too.  IF you've got Omnipage Pro version 15
with pdf creator, you can do this.

1.  find the file by browsing to it in the normal way.

2.  Now, press the applications key which should open the context menu.

3.  Within this menu, you will notice a submenu called "omnipage submenu".

4.  click on this submenu.

5.  Within this menu, you will notice a number of options for converting
your file in to various formats.  Just click on the one you want.

6.  After a short time, you will notice that a new file has been dropped in
to the same folder as the original document.  This file will be a converted
form of the file you were trying to read.

    IF I understand correctly, I believe Open Book and Kirtzwile also have
pdf convertion.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "W. Nick Dotson" <nickdotson at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

It could be a "pdf" made of page images, which need to be OCR'ed.

Nick

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:24:58 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:

 Hi,

 Usually, when I encounter a .pdf file, I can click on it and have it open
 and become readable with Adobe Reader. I have the latest version, if I
 remember correctly, and it set itself up to interact with Jaws when I
 installed it.

 But with this file, when I try to open it, I get the Adobe interface screen
 (I can see this happening) but, within a few seconds after I hear the usual
 message that Adobe's preparing the document for reading, a message comes on
 saying Warning! Empty document.

 Warning? This is like a terrorist problem or something? Anyway, I'm sure
 it's not an empty (does that mean blank?) document to the person who sent
it
 to me. Why is Adobe saying it's empty, now?

 I'm I composed this message as a forward in order to retain the .pdf file
 attachment, but I just realized it'll be stripped out of the email as the
 message is distributed. Oh, well. So if anyone more experienced than me
 would like to try their hand at opening the file so they can help me figure
 out how to handle an impasse like this, just write me at
 jdeutsch at dslextreme.com, and I'll gladly send the file as I meant to do
here
 to begin with.

 thankss a lot.

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