[gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

Wed Jul 11 16:21:37 CDT 2007

Your statement, "even though I know that the thing becomes a text document on the
MS Image Document screen" is incorrect.

It stays as an image and thus JAWS or any screen reader could not read it.  Even after going through the OCR process, what is on the screen is just an image, not text.

When you "send text to Word", then the text recognized from the image is packaged up and sent over to Microsoft Word, where you can read it using a screen reader and edit it.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:03 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

chuck,

Now that you explain it, I se that the first step would be to attempt once
more to open the file with Adobe Reader, but as soon as it stops and
presents its dire warning, use the Adobe Reader File menu to send it to this
virtual printer thing and turn it into a .tif file. I managed that with a
printed document that I had the Office program scan, so I know how that ends
up, appearing in MS document Imaging..

But then, even though I know that the thing becomes a text document on the
MS Image Document screen, it's unreadable to Jaws, in case you didn't know
that. So I would then have to find some way to convert it to something Jaws
could read, like Word. And the Files menu in document Imaging doesn't
actually offer a way to send it to Word, as you described. So I'm stuck at
that point, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

The first part is to create a TIFF or MDI file from what you have, which is
a PDF file.  The easy way to do that is to instruct Adobe Acrobat to "print"
the file to a special printer called the Microsoft Image Writer.  When you
select that printer in the print dialog and print to it, it will create a
file (using TIFF or MDI, whatever you prefer).

Then you can use the Microsoft Office Document Imaging program to view the
file and use the OCR features to recognize text in the image.

The important thing here is that we're just using the Image Writer printer
to convert from the PDF format into a format that Office can understand.
It's still just an image; no OCR is being done by printing.  That's done in
the Document Imaging program.

I'll reply to your message about that.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

chuck,

I just explored for the first time the items under Office Tools, and I'm
prepared to do that part. But how do you do the first step? Remember, it's a
.pdf file. I've got it saved to a folder on my hard drive now. So what steps
do I take, using which application, to print it to something as you
instruct, after which I can load that result into the Microsoft Document
Imaging program?

P.S. Ray, I again thank you for the readable document. I'm probably going to
gigve up trying to do this and just read it. But I feel I should try to
learn this procedure.

thanks.
appoication hoiw ----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

By the way, if you have Microsoft Office, there is an excellent OCR program
included with it.  Print the document to the "Microsoft Image Writer
Printer" and then open the resulting file using the Microsoft Office
Document Imaging program in the Office Tools section of the Start Menu.

There is an option that reads something like "send text to Microsoft Word",
which will OCR the image and create a Word file with the text.  Note that
the image document retains the OCR information afterwards.

No extra software needed.

Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft
Corporation
http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

Yep, that's the way I figured it too.  IF you've got Omnipage Pro version 15
with pdf creator, you can do this.

1.  find the file by browsing to it in the normal way.

2.  Now, press the applications key which should open the context menu.

3.  Within this menu, you will notice a submenu called "omnipage submenu".

4.  click on this submenu.

5.  Within this menu, you will notice a number of options for converting
your file in to various formats.  Just click on the one you want.

6.  After a short time, you will notice that a new file has been dropped in
to the same folder as the original document.  This file will be a converted
form of the file you were trying to read.

    IF I understand correctly, I believe Open Book and Kirtzwile also have
pdf convertion.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "W. Nick Dotson" <nickdotson at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] need help to open a difficult .pdf file

It could be a "pdf" made of page images, which need to be OCR'ed.

Nick

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:24:58 -0700, Joel Deutsch wrote:

 Hi,

 Usually, when I encounter a .pdf file, I can click on it and have it open
 and become readable with Adobe Reader. I have the latest version, if I
 remember correctly, and it set itself up to interact with Jaws when I
 installed it.

 But with this file, when I try to open it, I get the Adobe interface screen
 (I can see this happening) but, within a few seconds after I hear the usual
 message that Adobe's preparing the document for reading, a message comes on
 saying Warning! Empty document.

 Warning? This is like a terrorist problem or something? Anyway, I'm sure
 it's not an empty (does that mean blank?) document to the person who sent
it
 to me. Why is Adobe saying it's empty, now?

 I'm I composed this message as a forward in order to retain the .pdf file
 attachment, but I just realized it'll be stripped out of the email as the
 message is distributed. Oh, well. So if anyone more experienced than me
 would like to try their hand at opening the file so they can help me figure
 out how to handle an impasse like this, just write me at
 jdeutsch at dslextreme.com, and I'll gladly send the file as I meant to do
here
 to begin with.

 thankss a lot.

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