[gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

Mon Jul 9 18:49:35 CDT 2007

Joel, the long drawn out way is an alternative to the much preferred CTRL+SHIFT+J command.  Since you say that another application has taken over that shortcut, I was giving you a different means to accomplish what it is that you want to do.

Obviously, removing the Juice add-in application would probably be easier, since you weren't even aware of it's presence before accidentally invoking it.

I'm not aware of any diagrams about the basic layout, because it's all supposed to be intuitive and obvious (to a sighted user).  Maybe someone has, or will, come up with something.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

chuck,

You mean I'd have to do that every time I wanted to display the Feeds pane
in pinned mode, until I was ready to make it disappear again? Your
instructions are reminding me, belatedly, that since I gave in and installed
IE 7 a while ago, I have so far neglected to take a few minutes and explore
the menus of this new version. Which I'm sure will help me understand more
of its functions. So I will. But then there is what seems to be this
sequence of three or four toolbars or something that I sometimes get stuck
in and can't figure out what their buttons are for and why I can't just make
them disappear so I can not get stuck in them. Is there some place where,
instead of simply learning discrete key commands to do this and that and the
other, I can read a description of the IE7 interface, so I could visualize
it? It's not that I don't care to learn and use a variety of hotkeys and
shortcut keys to accomplish things, but I feel at a loss when I can't
imagine what an interface actually looks like, as you can see by my
confusion as to what those multiple toolbars are and how they're displayed
and how one navigates around them.

I'm sure that somewhere on the Microsoft Site there is a basic orientation
page or two about IE7 that involves diagrams or photos of the interface,
menus, toolbars and status lines included, but is there any verbal
description of the same thing? Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

In that case, where an application has taken over a shortcut key, do this...

ALT+V to bring up the View menu
E to show the Explorer Bar sub-menu
D to select the Feeds menu item
Enter to show or hide a pinned Feeds pane.

ALT+V, E, D, Enter

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

Well, it looks as though I won't be pinning my Feeds list. I tried invoking
it using Control Shift J, and to my surprise, found that I'd launched my
podcatcher, Juice, and was in the list of subscribed podcasts. No way out
but to exit Juice properly, whereupon I was back on the open Web page I'd
been at when I tried the keystroke. I never even knew Juice had installed
itself with a shortcut key. I guess if I opened the properties for its
Desktop icon, I could either modify or simply delete that. One of which I
suppose I'll have to do.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

The Feeds pane will work just like the History and Favorites pane.  If you
invoke it with CTRL+J, the Feeds pane will appear unpinned and will
disappear when an item is activated.

If you invoke the Feeds Pane via CTRL+SHIFT+J, then it will appear pinned
and will stay in place.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

chuck,

that helps quite a lot, and thanks for taking the time to figure it out. I'm
aware that history, feeds and the favorites center have become a group of
services you can invoke with a control key combo, but there wasn't any way
on earth that I could have guessed that adding the shift key would reverse
their effect.

By the way, that's what I'll want to do from now on, use the shift key.
Because, going by your description of how these things are called now in
terms of placement, the History pane used to simply be what you now describe
as pinned. And that's how I got used to it. Taking up something like a third
of the screen (I could see this more clearly a few years ago than I can
now), staying there so you can go to it and navigate there as long as you
feel like it until you want to clean it off the screen, and meantime causing
no problem for the loaded Web page or for Jaws, since my guess is that the
pane with the Web page in it just gets narrowed and lengthened, nothing
worse in terms of Jaws focus when you want to jump back to it without
closing the History pane. As for the unpinned thing, where the History
closes when you click on an item, that sounds as if it must be helpful and
convenient for the person who just wanted to go back and find one single
item and click on it, but I sometimes keep the pane up and explore it
repeatedly for various reasons. So pinned is fine by me.

Here's on more question, which is related to this constellation of control
key-activated features: Sometimes I open (or display, is it, really?) the
Feeds feature (is it a pane?), click on one of the items beside which "new"
has been appended, look at the updated Web page but then want to get back to
the Feeds likes. Well, I can't see how that can be done. Maybe there's a
keystroke? If not, I guess you just have to Control-J again to bring it up
once more. That's what I've been doing, but then the item in the list
representing the feed I just opened usually *still* says (new) next to it,
as if I've never clicked on it and gone to the new pageit offers; this feels
like when a read message in OE sometimes continues to speak as unread. Any
idea what I'm doing incorrectly?

Thanks.

thanks.
wish I could just get back to that Feeds list without via hoping no
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

Ah, I figured it out.  It depends on whether or not the various panes
(History, Favorites and Feeds) are "pinned" or not.  Pressing CTRL+H will
always show the History pane, but it is not a toggle, so pressing it again
does not make it go away.

If a pane is un-pinned it overlays the text of the web page.  Selecting an
item in the and pressing Enter will make the pane disappear and focused
placed back on the web page.

However, if the pane window is pinned, then it appears on the left, but the
width of the web page is reduced so they do not overlap.  Selecting an item
from the pane does not make the pane disappear when it is pinned.

So, adding Shift to the keyboard sequence makes it a toggle.  Pressing
CTRL+SHIFT+H will make the History pane appear as a pinned pane.  Pressing
CTRL+SHIFT+H a second time hides the pane and returns focus to the web page.

Same is true for Favorites (CTRL+SHIFT+I) and Feeds (CTRL+SHIFT+J).

Hope this helps.

Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft
Corporation
http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

In IE 6, as in IE 7 now,I used to be able to display the browsing history
tree by pressing control H. Then I could navigate it very simply, perhaps
pressing Enter on some link in order to revisit a page if I wished, then
return to the History pane by learning a sequence of Tab and Control Tab
keystrokes that seemed to take me through some parts of the Web page I was
on plus a visit to the Tool Bar, just announce in a general way.thouryug .

But in IE 7, I'm not sure what to do. I find that I'm still able to display
History by pressing Control H, but I can't seem to simply turn it off the
same way. I've tabbed around at that point, and been reminded that what I
encounter before getting back onto the Web page that's loaded at the moment
involves stepping through several unfamiliar stops in what I guess is all
the IE Tool Bar, but with more controls in it than before. For instance, my
tab key brings me to a History button, which I don't remember from the IE 6
tool bar,but I have no idea what to do with it, I mean, without seeing it
and using the keyboard, of course. Just pressing enter on it doesn't seem to
do anything. I have a feeling, from reading some of the Help files related
to the History topic, that there are arrows and other signals that tell the
mouse user how to do stuff like open a list of options or actions, or
whatever. But for me, that button is simply inert and useless, at least
until someone explains its use  to me.

Anyway, if my description sounds befuddled, that's because I am. I need what
I can't seem to find in the Help files, just a description of a typical IE 7
interface screen explaining what's there besides the Web page you're on, how
to navigate among these page elements and how to use them. I remember
there's supposed to be yet another sort of bar, what's it called, an
Information Bar or something? I don't know, it just seems (especially when
opening a page as a Tab) that sometimes I seem to get stuck in some
elaborate jungle at the top of the page (I imagine it as the top, but I
don't really know) that's got all sorts of controls, something to do with an
abbreviated Google function (no, I didn't install the Google Tool Bar) and
God knows what else, and sometimes it takes me many presses of the Tab key
through this maze, hearing misleading stuff along the way that makes me
think I'm finally on the page itself, before I actually am on the page and
ready to go.

I say that just to confess how confused this can sometimes make me, though
other times a page loads and it's plain and simple unless I go into the
address bar and then make the mistake of tabbing around and getting lost
again.

But back to the beginning. How do I simply turn off the history pane, once
I've turned it on?

thanks.

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