[gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

Mon Jul 9 14:27:05 CDT 2007

chuck,

that helps quite a lot, and thanks for taking the time to figure it out. I'm 
aware that history, feeds and the favorites center have become a group of 
services you can invoke with a control key combo, but there wasn't any way 
on earth that I could have guessed that adding the shift key would reverse 
their effect.

By the way, that's what I'll want to do from now on, use the shift key. 
Because, going by your description of how these things are called now in 
terms of placement, the History pane used to simply be what you now describe 
as pinned. And that's how I got used to it. Taking up something like a third 
of the screen (I could see this more clearly a few years ago than I can 
now), staying there so you can go to it and navigate there as long as you 
feel like it until you want to clean it off the screen, and meantime causing 
no problem for the loaded Web page or for Jaws, since my guess is that the 
pane with the Web page in it just gets narrowed and lengthened, nothing 
worse in terms of Jaws focus when you want to jump back to it without 
closing the History pane. As for the unpinned thing, where the History 
closes when you click on an item, that sounds as if it must be helpful and 
convenient for the person who just wanted to go back and find one single 
item and click on it, but I sometimes keep the pane up and explore it 
repeatedly for various reasons. So pinned is fine by me.

Here's on more question, which is related to this constellation of control 
key-activated features: Sometimes I open (or display, is it, really?) the 
Feeds feature (is it a pane?), click on one of the items beside which "new" 
has been appended, look at the updated Web page but then want to get back to 
the Feeds likes. Well, I can't see how that can be done. Maybe there's a 
keystroke? If not, I guess you just have to Control-J again to bring it up 
once more. That's what I've been doing, but then the item in the list 
representing the feed I just opened usually *still* says (new) next to it, 
as if I've never clicked on it and gone to the new pageit offers; this feels 
like when a read message in OE sometimes continues to speak as unread. Any 
idea what I'm doing incorrectly?

Thanks.

thanks.
wish I could just get back to that Feeds list without via hoping no
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop at exchange.microsoft.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

Ah, I figured it out.  It depends on whether or not the various panes 
(History, Favorites and Feeds) are "pinned" or not.  Pressing CTRL+H will 
always show the History pane, but it is not a toggle, so pressing it again 
does not make it go away.

If a pane is un-pinned it overlays the text of the web page.  Selecting an 
item in the and pressing Enter will make the pane disappear and focused 
placed back on the web page.

However, if the pane window is pinned, then it appears on the left, but the 
width of the web page is reduced so they do not overlap.  Selecting an item 
from the pane does not make the pane disappear when it is pinned.

So, adding Shift to the keyboard sequence makes it a toggle.  Pressing 
CTRL+SHIFT+H will make the History pane appear as a pinned pane.  Pressing 
CTRL+SHIFT+H a second time hides the pane and returns focus to the web page.

Same is true for Favorites (CTRL+SHIFT+I) and Feeds (CTRL+SHIFT+J).

Hope this helps.

Charles Oppermann | Program Manager | Speech Components | Microsoft 
Corporation
http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM
To: GUI-Talk
Subject: [gui-talk] Hot to toggle off IE7 History pane?

In IE 6, as in IE 7 now,I used to be able to display the browsing history
tree by pressing control H. Then I could navigate it very simply, perhaps
pressing Enter on some link in order to revisit a page if I wished, then
return to the History pane by learning a sequence of Tab and Control Tab
keystrokes that seemed to take me through some parts of the Web page I was
on plus a visit to the Tool Bar, just announce in a general way.thouryug .

But in IE 7, I'm not sure what to do. I find that I'm still able to display
History by pressing Control H, but I can't seem to simply turn it off the
same way. I've tabbed around at that point, and been reminded that what I
encounter before getting back onto the Web page that's loaded at the moment
involves stepping through several unfamiliar stops in what I guess is all
the IE Tool Bar, but with more controls in it than before. For instance, my
tab key brings me to a History button, which I don't remember from the IE 6
tool bar,but I have no idea what to do with it, I mean, without seeing it
and using the keyboard, of course. Just pressing enter on it doesn't seem to
do anything. I have a feeling, from reading some of the Help files related
to the History topic, that there are arrows and other signals that tell the
mouse user how to do stuff like open a list of options or actions, or
whatever. But for me, that button is simply inert and useless, at least
until someone explains its use  to me.

Anyway, if my description sounds befuddled, that's because I am. I need what
I can't seem to find in the Help files, just a description of a typical IE 7
interface screen explaining what's there besides the Web page you're on, how
to navigate among these page elements and how to use them. I remember
there's supposed to be yet another sort of bar, what's it called, an
Information Bar or something? I don't know, it just seems (especially when
opening a page as a Tab) that sometimes I seem to get stuck in some
elaborate jungle at the top of the page (I imagine it as the top, but I
don't really know) that's got all sorts of controls, something to do with an
abbreviated Google function (no, I didn't install the Google Tool Bar) and
God knows what else, and sometimes it takes me many presses of the Tab key
through this maze, hearing misleading stuff along the way that makes me
think I'm finally on the page itself, before I actually am on the page and
ready to go.

I say that just to confess how confused this can sometimes make me, though
other times a page loads and it's plain and simple unless I go into the
address bar and then make the mistake of tabbing around and getting lost
again.

But back to the beginning. How do I simply turn off the history pane, once
I've turned it on?

thanks.

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