[gui-talk] WWW2

Sat Jan 6 19:20:35 CST 2007

Ed,

I have no further questions, and this is also my understanding after I thought about my hastily written initial note.  

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:21:24 -0330, Ed Barnes wrote:

>Hi Steve, I am not sure if you are off target or not because at this
>point I'm just very confused as to what else you are trying to ask me
>from your note below.
>However, if you are wondering about differentiations in web addresses
>and how this translates to dns, I can offer you the following.
>Say for example I register the domain edbarnes.com
>Within that domain registration I can do any number of different things.
>For example http://edbarnes.com and http://www.edbarnes.com can be setup
>to display the same site content and point to the same ip address via a
>wild card.
>Or, if I don't enable a wildcard and I've just registered edbarnes.com
>the following will happen.
>If an user goes to www.edbarnes.com they will receive page can't be
>displayed.
>If the same user types edbarnes.com in his web browser
>http://edbarnes.com in his web browser or https://edbarnes.com in his
>web browser he'd get a web page.
>http connects on port 80 and sends the page in clear text from the web
>server
>https connects on port 443 and sends the page from the web server via
>secure connection
>And, if a site has the wild card enabled in dns and you go to for
>example www.edbarnes.com you are connecting to the web site's server via
>http on port 80
> Does this help?
>Ed

>  

>>>> steve.jacobson at visi.com 01/06/07 7:34 PM >>>

>Ed,

>I think I see what you mean.  I thought I remembered a case where I was
>directed to a completely different site when I 
>omitted the "WWW", but that example no longer works.  Therefore, my
>point is wrong as I think about it as it is my 
>understanding that only the name that surrounds the final period is
>actually registered.  Therefore, I incorrectly stated 
>that Microsoft would have had to register both Microsoft.com and
>www.microsoft.com.

>However, what I was also trying to address was that the "WWW" was not
>optional or insignificant, as my adobe 
>example attempted to show, where www.access.adobe.com does not work.  I
>thought it was worth mentioning because 
>of the number of times over the years that we have answered here that
>www.access.adobe.com was not down.  
><smile>  

>I had another case where www.ncr.com got me to the site I wanted while
>simply ncr.com was blocked by my employer's 
>site blocker for being sexually explicit.  However, when I look at that
>site now, both appear to connect to the corporate 
>pages of NCR which is what one would expect.  My experience of NCR.COM
>being blocked must have been some 
>other problem or a mis-application of blocking.

>If you think I'm still off target, please let me know, and thanks for
>the correction.

>On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:18:08 -0330, Ed Barnes wrote:

>>Hi Steve, in your example below and in any other case where site.com
>>works and www.site.com does not work it is usually related to dns
>>registration on the part of the registrant, person or organization
>>registering a particular internet domain name, it may be a case where
>>they did not register both even though registering both is not
>required,
>>it may be a case where web server is not configured to except requests
>>addressed to www.site.com but it does answer requests address to
>>site.com
>>It also may be a case where the registrant did not enable wildcards
>when
>>registering the domain. 
>>After all, www.site.com is only a canonical name for site.com anyway.
>>Steve, I am not sure if this answers your question or not, whether it
>>answer your question or not ultimately depends upon your level of
>>understanding of DNS protocols from a networking point of view.
>>Steve, if I've muddied the waters further so to speak I appologize.
>>Cheers, Ed.

>>Ed Barnes
>>Computer Support Specialist
>>Office Of Chief Information Officer - Government of Nl
>>c/o Dept of Education, Confederation Bldg, 3rd fl, west block.
>>PO Box 8700 St. John's, NL A1B 4J6
>>Ph 709-729-6999 / Fx 709-729-5896
>>edbarnes at gov.nl.ca
>>>>> steve.jacobson at visi.com 01/06/07 4:30 PM >>>

>>Chuck,

>>To clarify a little, I have seen cases where omitting the "WWW"
>resulted
>>in getting 
>>to a completely different site.  I have also seen sites where adding
>the
>>"WWW" caused the site not to be found.  The 
>>example that always comes to mind is that access.adobe.com works while
>>www.access.adobe.com does not.  I think 
>>your explanation is consistent with this in that you are saying the
>>"WWW" is simply a part of the name, but I wanted to 
>>make certain that readers understood that you were not saying the "WWW"
>>didn't matter, only that it isn't magic.  From 
>>my experiences, I would guess that Microsoft must have registered both
>>www.microsoft. com and microsoft.com.

>>By all means let me know if I have misunderstood something here.

>>On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 23:38:29 -0800, Charles Oppermann wrote:

>>>The prefix "www" before a web address is just a convention, there is
>no
>>requirement that there is a "www" or anything 
>>before the domain name.  You can access the same content by specifying
>>"http://microsoft.com" or 
>>"http://www.microsoft.com".

>>>The idea is the first part of an internet address is name of the
>>server, so many sites can distribute load between many 
>>servers.  Normally the address that appears doesn't change, but on some
>>sites it might.

>>>--Chuck

>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt
>>>Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:22 PM
>>>To: GUI Talk
>>>Subject: [gui-talk] WWW2

>>>Greetings. I just noticed on the Blogger dashboard an address with
>>www2., in the address bar. What does the 2 
>>represent, and are there any other differences for the average user
>>verses the old www.address.com style?

>>>Many thanks,
>>>Wayne
>>>www.wayneism.com
>>>My blog:
>>>http://wayneism.blogspot.com
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