[gui-talk] Double Talk problem

Fri Dec 28 14:06:29 CST 2007

I concur with Steve's evaluation below. JAWS won't switch synthesizers 
unless it gets the correct responses. Be sure your DoubleTalk has 
handshake and speed set correctly and give it a go again.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Jacobson
  To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem

  Cindy,

  We're going to need to find someone who really knows what they're 
talking about as I am doind a lot of speculating.
  However, if COM1 is what you used to use and you have not changed 
anything else in your machine, then it is likely still
  the correct choice.  JFW probably is not switching because it is 
sending a command to the DoubleTalk and expecting
  to get a certain result back.  When it doesn't, it suppresses the 
switch to the DoubleTalk.  I would check the
  DoubleTalk's settings and when you feel they agree, try COM1.  Also, 
hand-shaking is also a parameter that must agree.
  Options are usually hardware, software (sometimes called X-on X-off) 
and none.  A mismatch of handshaking could also
  prevent JFW from switching.  Again, the liklihood is that the settings 
in your DoubleTalk changed as a result of the
  battery going dead, so probably changing the settings there are what 
needs to be done.

  On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:42:50 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:

  >Hi Steve,

  >I did select the port through JAWS, originally.  It has always been 
set to
  >com 1, until recently.  After the battery died and I replaced it, I 
turned
  >the Doubletalk on and that's when it starts the stream of characters. 
It
  >says, "Doubletalk ready", and then
  >starts --------u--------a--------o-------, etc.  I can't get all the
  >letters, and sometimes it says something like 0$.  If I try to change
  >synthesizers when it's on com 1, JAWS won't switch at all...Eloquence
  >continues to talk.  If I have it set to com 2, Eloquence stops 
talking, as
  >it should, but the Doubletalk continues with the dashes, etc.

  >Cindy
  >----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
  >To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:04 PM
  >Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem

  >Cindy,

  >Usually, if you have one serial connector, it is assigned to COM1. 
This
  >isn't always the case, though, so if that doesn't
  >work, other options will have to be tried.  If you have an internal 
modem,
  >even though it is not physically connected to a
  >port, it uses a "COM" address.

  >In your original note, you mentioned that the DoubleTalk spoke a 
string of
  >characters that didn't seem to mean anything.
  >Which port was it assigned to then, and what caused the speech to 
start?
  >For example, did reading the current line in
  >JFW result in garbage being spoken, or did it seem to be random?  If 
any
  >activity of JFW seemed to result in characters
  >being spoken, you probably chose the correct port number.

  >However, please explain where you are setting the port number?  You
  >mentioned a DoubleTalk CD.  Do you also select
  >the port through JFW as well?  You might need someone who has more
  >experience with the DoubleTalk in particular
  >than do I, but if the DoubleTalk was already used once on your 
computer, I'm
  >not certain what the role of the
  >DoubleTalk CD is.  If there are no answers here, someone on NFBCS 
might
  >know.

  >On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:35:10 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:

  >>Hi Steve,

  >>It's an external synthesizer.  I'll check the settings and make sure 
the
  >>port and Doubletalk match.  I just don't know how I determine what 
port
  >>number it's actually plugged into.  It seems like it should be one, 
because
  >>that's the only one I have.  There is the printer port, but that's
  >>different.  Internally, I guess the modem is connected to something, 
but I
  >>don't know if that's specified as a port.

  >>Cindy
  >>----- Original Message ----- 
  >>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
  >>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:55 PM
  >>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem

  >>Cindy,

  >>Is your Double-Talk an external device?  if so, it has to match the 
COM
  >>port
  >>assigned to the port into which you have it
  >>plugged in.  The fact that you already have a port assigned to COM1
  >>probably
  >>makes it unavailable on some lists.

  >>I believe the most likely reason for your problem is that when the
  >>Double-Talk battery went dead, you may have lost your
  >>serial port settings.  If your port is configured for 8 bits and no 
parity,
  >>but your Double-Talk is configured for seven bits
  >>with even or odd parity, your computer will not identify some 
characters.
  >>Another computer that is set differently may
  >>recognize the characters without a problem.  Therefore be sure that 
your
  >>Double-Talk is set to the parity that your ports
  >>are set to.  Usually one sets both to 8 bit characters, no parity, 
and one
  >>stop bit.  I do not own a double-talk, though, so
  >>if another setting is suggested follow that setting, but make 
certain that
  >>the parameters agree.  I also do not know how
  >>port settings on the Double-Talk are changed.  It is sometimes 
accomplished
  >>with switches but other times by going
  >>through a setup menu.

  >>On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:06:58 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:

  >>>Mike,

  >>>What can I do to correct it?  In looking around, when installing 
some
  >>>software from the Doubletalk disk, it seems that it says port 1 
isn't
  >>>available.  I don't know why.  Two and three are, but I've tried 
those two
  >>>ports and it's no better.

  >>>Cindy
  >>>----- Original Message ----- 
  >>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
  >>>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >>>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:58 PM
  >>>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem

  >>>Most DoubleTalk sequences start with Control-E. Sounds like your 
port
  >>>isn't allowing that character thru.

  >>>Mike

  >>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >>>  From: Cindy Handel
  >>>  To: gui talk
  >>>  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:18 PM
  >>>  Subject: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem

  >>>  I have a Double Talk connected to my com 1 port.  I've used it 
before,
  >>>but
  >>>  not for awhile.

  >>>  A few weeks ago, I tried to turn it on and found the battery was 
dead,
  >>>so I
  >>>  replaced it.  But, now, every time I turn it on, I get "Double 
Talk
  >>>Ready"
  >>>  and then a string of letters and characters, along with dashes. 
I
  >>>can't
  >>>  make JAWS 7.1 or 9 switch to Double Talk, even though it's 
checked in
  >>>both
  >>>  versions.

  >>>  I took the Double Talk to my neighbor's house (he also uses 
JAWS), and
  >>>  connected and selected it as one of the synthesizer languages. 
It
  >>>works
  >>>  perfectly, there.

  >>>  I don't know what the characters and dashes are all about, but I 
can't
  >>>get
  >>>  it to work on my computer.  As I said, It did before, but 
doesn't,
  >>>now.  The
  >>>  port appears to be configured correctly.  If anyone has 
suggestions,
  >>>I'd
  >>>  appreciate knowing what I might try.

  >>>  Thanks.

  >>>  Cindy

  >>>  "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find 
the
  >>>way."
  >>>  Abraham Lincoln

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I concur with Steve's evaluation below. JAWS won't switch synthesizers unless it gets the correct responses. Be sure your DoubleTalk has handshake and speed set correctly and give it a go again.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com Steve Jacobson
To:
mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Friday, December 28, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject:
Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem
Cindy,
We're going to need to find someone who really knows what they're talking about as I am doind a lot of speculating. 
However, if COM1 is what you used to use and you have not changed anything else in your machine, then it is likely still
the correct choice.  JFW probably is not switching because it is sending a command to the DoubleTalk and expecting
to get a certain result back.  When it doesn't, it suppresses the switch to the DoubleTalk.  I would check the
DoubleTalk's settings and when you feel they agree, try COM1.  Also, hand-shaking is also a parameter that must agree. 
Options are usually hardware, software (sometimes called X-on X-off) and none.  A mismatch of handshaking could also
prevent JFW from switching.  Again, the liklihood is that the settings in your DoubleTalk changed as a result of the
battery going dead, so probably changing the settings there are what needs to be done. 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:42:50 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>I did select the port through JAWS, originally.  It has always been set to
>com 1, until recently.  After the battery died and I replaced it, I turned
>the Doubletalk on and that's when it starts the stream of characters.  It
>says, "Doubletalk ready", and then
>starts --------u--------a--------o-------, etc.  I can't get all the
>letters, and sometimes it says something like 0$.  If I try to change
>synthesizers when it's on com 1, JAWS won't switch at all...Eloquence
>continues to talk.  If I have it set to com 2, Eloquence stops talking, as
>it should, but the Doubletalk continues with the dashes, etc.
>Cindy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Jacobson" < mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com steve.jacobson at visi.com
>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem
>Cindy,
>Usually, if you have one serial connector, it is assigned to COM1.  This
>isn't always the case, though, so if that doesn't
>work, other options will have to be tried.  If you have an internal modem,
>even though it is not physically connected to a
>port, it uses a "COM" address.
>In your original note, you mentioned that the DoubleTalk spoke a string of
>characters that didn't seem to mean anything.
>Which port was it assigned to then, and what caused the speech to start?
>For example, did reading the current line in
>JFW result in garbage being spoken, or did it seem to be random?  If any
>activity of JFW seemed to result in characters
>being spoken, you probably chose the correct port number.
>However, please explain where you are setting the port number?  You
>mentioned a DoubleTalk CD.  Do you also select
>the port through JFW as well?  You might need someone who has more
>experience with the DoubleTalk in particular
>than do I, but if the DoubleTalk was already used once on your computer, I'm
>not certain what the role of the
>DoubleTalk CD is.  If there are no answers here, someone on NFBCS might
>know.
>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:35:10 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:
>>Hi Steve,
>>It's an external synthesizer.  I'll check the settings and make sure the
>>port and Doubletalk match.  I just don't know how I determine what port
>>number it's actually plugged into.  It seems like it should be one, because
>>that's the only one I have.  There is the printer port, but that's
>>different.  Internally, I guess the modem is connected to something, but I
>>don't know if that's specified as a port.
>>Cindy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" < mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com steve.jacobson at visi.com
>
>>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem
>>Cindy,
>>Is your Double-Talk an external device?  if so, it has to match the COM
>>port
>>assigned to the port into which you have it
>>plugged in.  The fact that you already have a port assigned to COM1
>>probably
>>makes it unavailable on some lists.
>>I believe the most likely reason for your problem is that when the
>>Double-Talk battery went dead, you may have lost your
>>serial port settings.  If your port is configured for 8 bits and no parity,
>>but your Double-Talk is configured for seven bits
>>with even or odd parity, your computer will not identify some characters.
>>Another computer that is set differently may
>>recognize the characters without a problem.  Therefore be sure that your
>>Double-Talk is set to the parity that your ports
>>are set to.  Usually one sets both to 8 bit characters, no parity, and one
>>stop bit.  I do not own a double-talk, though, so
>>if another setting is suggested follow that setting, but make certain that
>>the parameters agree.  I also do not know how
>>port settings on the Double-Talk are changed.  It is sometimes accomplished
>>with switches but other times by going
>>through a setup menu.
>>On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:06:58 -0500, Cindy Handel wrote:
>>>Mike,
>>>What can I do to correct it?  In looking around, when installing some
>>>software from the Doubletalk disk, it seems that it says port 1 isn't
>>>available.  I don't know why.  Two and three are, but I've tried those two
>>>ports and it's no better.
>>>Cindy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
>>>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem
>>>Most DoubleTalk sequences start with Control-E. Sounds like your port
>>>isn't allowing that character thru.
>>>Mike
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Cindy Handel
>>>  To: gui talk
>>>  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:18 PM
>>>  Subject: [gui-talk] Double Talk problem
>>>  I have a Double Talk connected to my com 1 port.  I've used it before,
>>>but
>>>  not for awhile.
>>>  A few weeks ago, I tried to turn it on and found the battery was dead,
>>>so I
>>>  replaced it.  But, now, every time I turn it on, I get "Double Talk
>>>Ready"
>>>  and then a string of letters and characters, along with dashes.  I
>>>can't
>>>  make JAWS 7.1 or 9 switch to Double Talk, even though it's checked in
>>>both
>>>  versions.
>>>  I took the Double Talk to my neighbor's house (he also uses JAWS), and
>>>  connected and selected it as one of the synthesizer languages.  It
>>>works
>>>  perfectly, there.
>>>  I don't know what the characters and dashes are all about, but I can't
>>>get
>>>  it to work on my computer.  As I said, It did before, but doesn't,
>>>now.  The
>>>  port appears to be configured correctly.  If anyone has suggestions,
>>>I'd
>>>  appreciate knowing what I might try.
>>>  Thanks.
>>>  Cindy
>>>  "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the
>>>way."
>>>  Abraham Lincoln
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