[gui-talk] avoiding IE 7 for the time being

Ed Barnes edbarnes at gov.nl.ca
Fri Nov 17 11:09:42 CST 2006 

Hi Joel, form what I've seen so far, if you run windows update which I
do a few times a day given the type of job I do, generally IE 7 is one
of the last installs which runs in the list of updates so I would assume
from this that some of the patches are applicable regardless of whether
you are using IE 6 and plan to upgrade to 7 or leave the upgrade to ie
version 7 until a later date.


>>> jdeutsch at dslextreme.com 11/17 1:04 PM >>>
Ed,

Okay, so you're speculating about my last question.  I'm sure Charles
could 
speak to such a question if he's monitoring the list, still.  Here's
another 
such question:  Aren't all those update patches ready to download
intended 
to patch IE6, only?  Or are they written to apply to both 6 and 7?  If
so, 
wouldn't that imply that IE7, despite being intended to be more
protective 
out of the box than IE6, is nonetheless vulnerable?  Or, if not, if you
were 
to insteall IE 7, then would the other downloads not install, because
they 
wouldn't be needed and wouldn't be written for IE7?

deoou
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes at gov.nl.ca>
To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] avoiding IE 7 for the time being


Joel - if you run windows update and say no to the option of
installing
ie 7 or choose install later you will be prompted the next time you
run
windows update to once again ask you if you want to install ie 7.
If you need to remove ie 7 after it's been install you can do so by
using add/remove programs in the control panel.
Also, you said:
brings up a curious point:  if, at a later date-- say, when I've
installed
Jaws 8 with the assurance that it'll work okay with IE7-- how will I
go

about installing the new browser?  Will it have put some sort of
executable
install file somewhere in some folder where I can find it and click on
it?
Anyone know?  Or will I just have to download IE7 all over again in
order to
let it install itself  this time?
My answer.
I am not sure on this one though if the ie 7 update works like a lot
of
the others from ms there may be a copy in your windows update folder
if
there is one on your system.
On some systems I've seen after windows update is ran there's a
windows
update folder under c:windows however this is not all - so your milage
on this one will varry.
Good luck and hth - Ed.



Ed Barnes
Computer Support Specialist (education)
Office Of Chief Information Officer - Government of Nl
c/o Dept of Education, Confederation Building, 3rd floor, west.
PO Box 8700 St. John's, NL A1B 4J6
Ph 709-729-6999 / Fx 709-729-5896
edbarnes at gov.nl.ca 


>>> jdeutsch at dslextreme.com 11/17 12:17 PM >>>
Ed,

1.  I don't have auto downloads set up.  I said earlier that I went to
the
site myself and looked over the patches that are there this month.
That's
manual, not auto.  if I used the word "automatic" at some point, it
was
just
in references to how, once you click on the Download All button or
whatever
it's called, everything proceeds without further intervention on your
part,
which is to say, automatically.  Although, as I'm understanding, this
month
the process will stop to let you decide whether or not to allow IE7 to

actually install.

I
'I'm  assuming that what everyone's implying or saying is that no
matter
what, IE7 will indeed download along with the rest of the items,
although
unlike them, it'll ask me to say whether I want it to install.  Right?

This
brings up a curious point:  if, at a later date-- say, when I've
installed
Jaws 8 with the assurance that it'll work okay with IE7-- how will I
go

about installing the new browser?  Will it have put some sort of
executable
install file somewhere in some folder where I can find it and click on
it?
Anyone know?  Or will I just have to download IE7 all over again in
order to
let it install itself  this time?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes at gov.nl.ca>
To: <gui-talk at NFBnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] avoiding IE 7 for the time being


Joel, as per the previous reply I sent you regarding this matter, if
you
ahve automatic updates turned on for your windows xp computer you will
be prompted as to whether you want to install IE 7 or not.
If your setting is set to download the updates but not install them
automatically the IE setup files will be download to the computer and
you will be prompted as outlined in my first email.
With the hd size in most of today's modern computers disk space used
by
the IE install files is negligable, it likely less than 1%, so I'd say
any disk space concerns are irrelevant.
Thanks and hth - Ed.


Ed Barnes
Computer Support Specialist (education)
Office Of Chief Information Officer - Government of Nl
c/o Dept of Education, Confederation Building, 3rd floor, west.
PO Box 8700 St. John's, NL A1B 4J6
Ph 709-729-6999 / Fx 709-729-5896
edbarnes at gov.nl.ca 


>>> jdeutsch at dslextreme.com 11/17 11:25 AM >>>
Steve,
I don't understand the distinction you seem to be making between
downloading
and installing IE7, and introducing the consideration of how large a
file it
might be.  My concern isn't saving hard drive space; besides, I've
already
been to the page and read the description of the IE 7 download, and
it's x
number of megabytes and there's plenty of room on my computer for it
and so
forth.

back to what I began to say, which is, you know, most of these
patches,
once
you click on the button to "get" them, both download and install
themselves
without your doing anything more.  So may I infer that what you're
implying
here is that, with IE7, it will download along with everything else in
the
batch, but at the point before it actually installs itself, that's
when
the
dialogue comes up allowing you to decline installation?  So that's why
it
occurred to you to reassure me that you didn't think it was
necessarily
a
huge file (which it is, actually, compared to the little patches,
though I
don't care)?  You're saying "You'll be given a chance to stop the
installation, and at that point the browser file has already been
downloaded, but don't worry, I don't think it's too much a waste of
hard
drive space."  Is that what you meant?

thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] avoiding IE 7 for the time being


Joel,

We have been told that, unlike other updates, if you download Internet

Explorer 7, you will get an additional prompt before the installation
runs
that allows you to
cancel.  Also, depending upon which approach you are using to do your
updates, you might be able to deselect the IE 7 download with the
space
bar
or mouse, but
as I understand it, this is not necessary to get the warning.  I have
seen
this information from several places, but Chuck Opperman of Microsoft
has
posted
something to this effect here earlier so I feel confident it is
accurate.
The IE 7 download could be large, but in the past, IE downloads have
sometimes been small
programs which, in turn, grabbed what they needed from the web during
the
installation process.  Therefore, downloading IE when you do not
intend
to
install it may
not be a big deal.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:57:46 -0800, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>Hi all,
>I'm using XP Home w/SP 2, IE 6 and Jaws 7.0.  I understand that I
could
>install IE 7 and use it successfully with Jaws if I were to upgrade
to
Jaws
>7.1 and add to that a patch that's being offered from the Freedom
>Scientific
>site to enable version 7.1 to support it.

>But rather than go to all that trouble, especially because a lot of
>subscribers to the JFW list have reported having issues with Jaws
7.1,I've
>decided simply to wait for the release of Jaws 8.0, which is said to
be IE7
>ready.

>So far, so good, I thought.  But  just now, realizing that the latest
>Windows  critical updates were probably ready a couple of days ago, I
went
>to the critical updates site and looked over the available stuff.
And
>here's the problem:  there are quite a lot of critical updates
available
>this month, including of course IE 7, which has been included as
everyone
>knows because Microsoft has endowed it with some major security
features.

>Well, ordinarily I just use the button that selects and downloads all
the
>critical updates, once I look them over and determine that there
aren't any
>that say they're going to modify video and possibly screw up Jaws, as
>happened once to me when I had automatic updates turned on and had
not
>restricted it to critical updates.  I know there shouldn't be any
>video-related stuff in critical updates, but I always look now,
anyway.
>Better safe than sorry.

>but if I use that group download control this time, it'll include IE
7

>among
>the downloads.  Yet I really don't want to take the time it would
require
>using Jaws instead of eyes and a mouse to go from one update to the
other ,
>downloading them individually except for IE7 (which makes me wonder
why
>they
>don't set this up with check boxes, for God's sake?).

>So, long story short, I remember some talk about there being a tool
of
some
>sort that's going around that can allow you to download critical
updates
>and
>avoid getting IE7 in the process.  I need to learn about this now,
where to
>get it, how to do all this.

>Can anyone help?  Sorry not to have been paying attention before.

>Thanks.

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