[gui-talk] National Federation oftheBlindCommentsonFederalCourtRuling on U.S. Currency

Tue Dec 5 22:19:28 CST 2006

Cindy:

The issue was, indeed, brought to the membership -- Resolution 2002-25. It 
was overwhelmingly approved. And no, President Maurer did not propose it nor 
did he make his views known on the issue at the time of the vote. Who *did* 
right that resolution? I did. So I think I can speak to whether or not NFB 
leadership put a Clothes-pin on my nose and dictated to me what I should 
write and how I should vote.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation 
oftheBlindCommentsonFederalCourtRuling on U.S. Currency

This comment may be a little controvesial. If as a membership, we vote on 
something to stand behind and promote, then it is the responsibility of its 
members to support it or stay quiet. We will not all have the same views but 
if we pass something as a resolution then we are bound to support it or stay 
quiet on the issue.

Unfortunately, the currency issue has not been brought to the membership and 
I think this is where a great source of contention is coming from. Most of 
us seem to want some kind of vote on this issue and I am sure at next year's 
convention it will be discussed. However, we did elect our president to 
represent in times between conventions.

These listservs provide us a means for discussing all of these issues and 
finding out what individual members think. But ultimately it will come down 
to are we a member of this organization or not?

Cindy
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:12
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation 
oftheBlindCommentsonFederalCourtRuling on U.S. Currency
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>

> Lol. I once took President Maurer to task on an issue
> right in the
> middle of a leadership seminar in Baltimore. I'm not
> really known for
> confrontation, and I guess I decided at the time that if I was
> considering being a leader, I'd best test out my wings and engine
> before trying to take off. In any case, I'm still here in the
> organization, and I certainly don't remember being told to leave.
>
> To the issue of being told to stay quiet though, I say
> this: When we
> are united, they say we are a dictatorship. When we are
> divided, they
> say we are ineffective. When one group of thousands agrees
> totally on
> a single issue, I believe by then the world will have passed and we
> will all be elsewhere. <grin> It is not realistic to
> expect everyone
> to agree fully on everything, largely because people's perspectives
> are shaped by what they know and people will know and recognize
> different parts of an issue. But if you want an effective
> organization of people, it is important to smooth over some
> differences and present to the rest of the world a view that is at
> least possible to understand. Those who have argued on
> this list that
> the NFB and ACB should unite in order to make better progress, take
> this to heart; it is the same issue. The difference in
> outcome is
> caused by the fact that there are too many things between the two
> organizations to be smoothed over. When that happens, yes,
> it becomes
> nonsense to try to unite and better instead to go in different
> directions. The ACB split out of the NFB to begin with,
> for precisely
> that reason.
>
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:05:12AM -0500, Anthony Vece wrote:
> Hi Andy;
> ?
> You have just confirmed my thinking that the NFB is a dictatorship.
> ?
> and, it uses a totalitarian form of government.
> ?
> Kind of like what we just got rid of in Iraq.
> ?
> Anthony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> mailto:Andrew.Baracco at va.gov Baracco, Andrew W
> To:
> mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Sent:
> Monday, December 04, 2006 1:29 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [gui-talk] National Federation
> oftheBlindCommentsonFederalCourtRuling on U.S. Currency
> When i belonged to the NFB, I asked what you do if you disagree
> with a
> position taken by the organization.? I was basically told that
> you keep
> quiet.? When I asked what you should do if you disagree with
> most of the
> positions taken by the organization, I was told that you should join
> another organization, so I did.
> Andy
> ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Seville Allen
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:46 PM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation
> oftheBlindCommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> What happens is the policy is changed through our resolution process
> which is how our NFB policy is made.?
> One can look at resolutions through the years as they are posted
> on the
> NFB website.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of
> theBlindCommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> As an outsider to the NFB, I have to ask a basic thing:? When a
> lot of
> members disagree with enough policy positions of the NFB
> leadership, are
> there periodic nationwide elections where? two or more
> candidates run
> for the top posts, and new leadership can be voted in?? Or are
> the top
> positions more like job appointments of indefinite duration?
> Thanks.? I know it's a really basic question about organizational
> structure, but I've heard about national conventions and so
> forth, but
> never about elections of any sort.
> Thanks.
> nd ndefniite to wish for a idifferent olicty p9o
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George and Pamela Dominguez
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the
> BlindCommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> As long as we support the NFB, I don't think they can demand
> that we
> agree with every single thing.? After all, we are individuals
> who belong
> to an organization of people who are blind.? I don't agree with
> everything all the way, but when I don't, I don't make a fuss.?
> I just
> keep it to myself if I can't get somebody to convince me why I should
> change my mind.? I still believe in the principles of the NFB,
> and I'm
> glad we have it.? Pam.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" < mailto:dgl at dlee.org dgl at dlee.org
> >
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-
> talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the
> BlindCommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> > I must giggle at this, then hesitantly and hopefully briefly reply:
> >
> > I think we all agree that inaccessible computers deny us jobs.
> > Computers and money do have in common the trait of being hard
> to live
> > without these days.? However, whereas I'm sure a list of jobs
> > impossible without computer access would fall together in a
> hurry on
> > the slightest public prompting, I doubt a list of jobs impossible
> > without tactily identifiable money would so easily form.?
> Witness the
> > existence of this very mailing list to address the need to make
> > computers accessible, and as far as I know, the profound
> absence of
> > such a list for the problems we have handling money.? Money-
> Talk, or
> > would that be Money-Talks?? Hmm. <grin>
> >
> > My personal view, in case anyone wants it:? I would like
> identifiable> money, but I believe it will be extremely
> expensive to make that
> > happen unless someone manages a way to do it that requires no
> > modification to the myriad money readers out there--laundry
> machines,> change machines, soda machines, etc.? I believe the
> money modification
> > should have been made when other changes were being made to reduce
> > counterfitting, and I even think the NFB defended this
> position at the
> > time.? I think the strongest argument against changing money
> for blind
> > people is not what it will make people think of blindness, but
> as Mike
> > said, what danger we place current laws in by trying to use
> them to
> > accomplish such a mountainous task.? Were it me, I would not
> spend my
> > money fighting this, but I would neither go to the barricades and
> > assert it as necessary.? Finally, I hope the outcome of this is,
> > ultimately, a change in US money, even if it occurs as part of
> > something else, and even if not immediately.
> >
> > Disclaimer, if that's what it is:? I am an NFB member and have been
> > since about 1984.? If I disagree with an NFB policy, I know
> where to
> > go to speak my mind.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:21:21AM -0600, jaybee wrote:
> > There's just as little need to change the currency to make it
> accessible
> as
> > there is to change the computer to make it accessible.?
> Regards, Jesse
> > "To err is human; to forgive divine? (Alexander Pope, 1688.")
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "denise avant" < mailto:dravant at ameritech.net
> dravant at ameritech.net>
> > To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:gui-
> talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the
> > BlindCommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> >
> >
> > Well glad you know how the court things before there is ever
> any oral
> > argument. It's strange that we ask that printed materials be
> put in
> > accessible format such as braille electronic files or tape. Or
> we ask
> that
> > the bus system be made more accessible so we can know when our stops
> are
> > coming or that elevators have braille and large print on them
> so we
> can
> know
> > what floor we're getting off of. When there is an nfb
> convention, the
> rooms
> > are marked in braille. Why because we are blind and cannot see
> to read
> > print. But when it comes to one of the most important things
> in the
> world,
> > knowing what money you have the instant its given to you, oh that's
> not a
> > good thing because of blindness.
> > The reason why people are not cheated on a wide scale basis is
> becausewe
> > take all of these extra steps that sighted people never have
> to do to
> avoid
> > being cheated. And I've heard more than a few instances of where
> people
> have
> > accidentally given a wrong bill and lost a lot of money. I can
> say I'm
> not
> > one of them. But I'm still glad the judge realizes that this is
> important.
> > Quite frankly if the u.s. supreme court could fool the criminal
> defense
> bar
> > with the crawford decision two years ago, don't be so sure
> that the
> judge's
> > decision will be reversed on appeal.
> >
> > s
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:21 PM
> > To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the Blind
> > CommentsonFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> >
> > If the case is appealed as it most assuredly will be, the
> appeal will
> win.
> > And what will have been gained? Nothing. And much could be
> lost if the
> > decision rejecting the lawsuit on appeal is broader and
> abolishes some
> of
> > the protections we now have under Section 504, the underlying
> statue.>
> > Moreover, under most circumstances in which someone would be
> cheated,> cashiers' drawers must balance at the end of the day.
> I deny the
> implication
> > that numerous blind persons have been ripped off.
> >
> > I wouldn't object if currency were modified for other reasons. But
> blindness
> > certainly is not a sufficient reason IMO to do so.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "denise avant" < mailto:dravant at ameritech.net
> dravant at ameritech.net>
> > To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:gui-
> talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the Blind Comments
> > onFederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > Dr. Mauer and others are correct in saying that there are many more
> > important issues like jobs and access to printed material that touch
> the
> > blind community. But this doesn't mean that having paper money
> is not
> > important. I've been working for years now. Before I had a
> job, I
> still
> had
> > to know how to tell what little money I did have. Once I
> retire the
> same
> > will be true. There is no question, money is very important
> all over
> the
> > world let alone the u.s. and it would be helpful to be able to know
> right
> > away what bill you are getting.
> > So often, I've been assisted by people who are from other countries.
> The
> > British for example are shocked that all of our paper money is the
> same
> > size. And they want to know how do I know someone is not
> cheating me.
> Even
> > my friends and assistants want to know how I know what paper
> money I
> have.
> > And it would be great if I didn't have to go through various
> steps and
> > stages to fold money in different ways so I would know this is a
> twenty or
> > ten etc.
> > Quite frankly, I'm glad that the judge recognized that being
> able to
> know
> > what a bill is by feel if not by sight is an important thing.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:50 PM
> > To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the Blind
> Comments on
> > FederalCourt Ruling on U.S. Currency
> >
> > It's times like this that I'm reminded why I have nothing to
> do with
> the
> > federation. I'm certainly not saying everyone in the
> federation is
> this
> way,
> > but you have to wonder where some of this logic comes from.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Will Smith" < mailto:wilsmith at iglou.com wilsmith at iglou.com
> >
> > To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" < mailto:gui-
> talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] National Federation of the Blind
> Comments on
> Federal
> > Court Ruling on U.S. Currency
> >
> >
> >
> > I continue to marvel at the positions NFB top brass take on things
> like
> > distinct money markings or shapes.
> >
> > I guess if you have enough power and position then money just doesnt
> matter
> > much.
> >
> > Will
> > mailto:wilsmith at iglou.com wilsmith at iglou.com
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Reinhard Stebner
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I really do not understand the NFB's stand on this.? I think
> having> > money that I can tell at a glance what it is makes me more
> independent
> > > from machines, fraud and enables me to be more independent.?
> How do
> > > other blind people think about this?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org gui-talk-
> bounces at nfbnet.org[mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > On Behalf Of David Andrews
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:53 PM
> > > To: mailto:dtb-talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
> ;
> mailto:diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> ;
> > > mailto:promotion-technology at nfbnet.org promotion-
> technology at nfbnet.org; mailto:" nabs-l"@nfbnet.org " nabs-
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> > nfbcs"@nfbnet.org;
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> ; mailto:nfb-announce at nfbnet.org nfb-announce at nfbnet.org
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> river-city at nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > nfb-sf"@nfbnet.org; mailto:nfbc-info at nfbnet.org nfbc-
> info at nfbnet.org; mailto:nfbofncp at nfbnet.org nfbofncp at nfbnet.org
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> ; "
> rocketon"@nfbnet.org;
> > > mailto:nopbc-board at nfbnet.org nopbc-board at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:nfb-newsline-sponsors at nfbnet.org nfb-newsline-
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> > > mailto:nfb-imagination-fund at nfbnet.org nfb-imagination-
> fund at nfbnet.org; mailto:" new-horizons"@nfbnet.org " new-
> horizons"@nfbnet.org; "
> > > ncbys"@nfbnet.org;
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> ;
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> ; mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:" cabs"@nfbnet.org " cabs"@nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:colorado-talk at nfbnet.org colorado-talk at nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > nfbaz-talk"@nfbnet.org; mailto:mabs at nfbnet.org mabs at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:oabs at nfbnet.org oabs at nfbnet.org
> ;
> > > mailto:greater-baltimore at nfbnet.org greater-baltimore at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:" nfbf-l"@nfbnet.org " nfbf-l"@nfbnet.org
> ;
> > > mailto:4alabama at nfbnet.org 4alabama at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:" vabs"@nfbnet.org " vabs"@nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:" mn-abs"@nfbnet.org " mn-abs"@nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:" mi-abs"@nfbnet.org " mi-abs"@nfbnet.org
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> ;
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> ; mailto:" nebraska-students"@nfbnet.org " nebraska-
> students"@nfbnet.org; "
> > > tn-talk"@nfbnet.org;
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> ;
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> ; mailto:" nyagdu"@nfbnet.org " nyagdu"@nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:" nfb-kzoo"@nfbnet.org " nfb-kzoo"@nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > reader-users"@nfbnet.org; mailto:nabentre at nfbnet.org
> nabentre at nfbnet.org; mailto:" nfbj"@nfbnet.org " nfbj"@nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > nfb-db"@nfbnet.org; mailto:nfb-fundraising at nfbnet.org nfb-
> fundraising at nfbnet.org; "
> > faith-talk"@nfbnet.org;
> > > mailto:" lions-ed"@nfbnet.org " lions-ed"@nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:nfb-lions at nfbnet.org nfb-lions at nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > ncme-mentoring"@nfbnet.org;
> > > mailto:" nfbwv-talk"@nfbnet.org " nfbwv-talk"@nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> ;
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> ;
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> ; mailto:nfbpnotk at nfbnet.org nfbpnotk at nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:stylist at nfbnet.org stylist at nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > sportsandrec"@nfbnet.org; mailto:" nobe-l"@nfbnet.org " nobe-
> l"@nfbnet.org;
> > > mailto:travelandtourism at nfbnet.org travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> ; mailto:" teachvib"@nfbnet.org " teachvib"@nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:" la-students"@nfbnet.org " la-students"@nfbnet.org
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> ; mailto:" nfbkabs"@nfbnet.org " nfbkabs"@nfbnet.org
> ; "
> > > nfbkpbc"@nfbnet.org; mailto:nfbofncp at nfbnet.org
> nfbofncp at nfbnet.org; mailto:" tabs"@nfbnet.org " tabs"@nfbnet.org
> ;
> > > mailto:dtb-talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: [gui-talk] National Federation of the Blind
> Comments on
> > > Federal Court Ruling on U.S. Currency
> > >
> > >???????? National Federation of the Blind Comments
> > >
> > >
> > > on Federal Court Ruling on U.S. Currency
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Views Effort as Dangerously Misguided
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Baltimore, Maryland (November 29, 2006): The National
> Federation of
> > > the Blind, the largest organization of blind persons in
> America and
> > > known as the voice of the nation's blind, criticized as
> dangerously> > misguided a federal court ruling saying that the
> design of U.S.
> > > currency discriminates against the blind.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the
> Blind,> > said: "The blind need jobs and real opportunities to
> earn money, not
> > > feel-good gimmicks that misinform the public about our
> capabilities.> > Blind people transact business with paper money
> every day.? This
> > > ruling puts a roadblock in the way of solving the real problem,
> which
> > > is the seventy percent unemployment rate among working-age blind
> > > Americans that severely limits our access to cash.? The
> ruling will
> do
> > > nothing to alleviate that situation; in fact, it seriously
> endangers> > the ability of the blind to get jobs and
> participate fully in
> society.
> > > It argues that the blind cannot handle currency or documents
> in the
> > > workplace and that virtually everything must be modified for
> the use
> > > of the blind.? An employer who believes that every piece of
> printed> > material in the workplace must be specially designed
> so that the
> blind
> > > can read it will have a strong incentive not to hire a blind
> person."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maurer went on to enumerate the real needs for access to
> information> > by the blind and made a distinction between those
> needs and the
> issue
> > > of identifying currency.? "Access to information of all
> kinds, such
> as
> > > that contained on Internet Web sites and in the press, is
> certainly> > critical to the ability of the blind to become
> productive members of
> > > society.? Blind students need educational materials in
> Braille and
> > > other alternative formats so that they can prepare for employment
> and
> > > ultimately earn an income for themselves and their
> families.? Given
> > > the urgent need for access to the kind of information that is
> required
> > > for success in America's information economy, the matter of
> > > identifying the denominations of paper bills is of
> relatively little
> > > concern."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blind people traditionally identify paper currency by
> folding bills
> of
> > > different denominations in different ways.? "In reality, blind
> people
> > > do not routinely find that we have been short-changed," Maurer
> > > commented.? Machines are readily available to identify paper money
> for
> > > blind people who run businesses or handle large amounts of cash.
> > > "Essentially, the United States Treasury has been ordered by the
> > > courts to come up with a solution for a nonexistent
> problem," Maurer
> > > said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The National Federation of the Blind believes that with
> training and
> > > opportunity, blind people can compete in the world with only minor
> > > modifications.? The American Council of the Blind, which
> brought the
> > > lawsuit against the United States Treasury, promotes the
> view that
> the
> > > blind are unable to compete unless the world is modified
> dramatically
> > > and specifically for blind people, and that the blind must
> be made
> > > objects of care and pity rather than equal participants in
> society.> >
> > >
> > >
> > > John G. Par? Jr.
> > > Director of Public Relations
> > > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
> > > 1800 Johnson Street
> > > Baltimore, Maryland? 21230
> > > Telephone:? (410) 659-9314, ext. 2371
> > > Cell phone:? (410) 913-3912
> > > Fax:? (410) 685-5653
> > > Email:? mailto:jpare at nfb.org jpare at nfb.org
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