From eric at pmpmail.com  Tue Dec  1 19:52:48 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:52:48 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Tuesday December 1st
Message-ID: <20091201195302.A941A2AFDC4@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Christine" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Tuesday December 1st
Date: 
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:42:11 -0000

"Do you treat your friends better than you treat yourself?" Being a good
friend to yourself is not selfish. It's essential. Take any situation and
ask, "What would I do for a friend if she were in my shoes?" Would you do
the same for yourself? When you compare how you treat yourself to how you
treat your friends, it's easy to see how to be your own friend. Your
happiness is based on how good a friend you are to yourself. Both your
self-esteem and self-confidence rely on it. Not only are you happier when
you can trust yourself to be your friend, but it becomes easier to be a
good friend to others and recognize when others are good friends to you. 



From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Dec  2 07:32:23 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:32:23 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [thefamilyoffaith] Prayer Strengthens You
Message-ID: <20091202073238.1D3172AF624@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: momsooky <momsooky at gmail.com>
To: Mom sooky <momsooky at gmail.com>
Subject: [thefamilyoffaith] Prayer Strengthens You
Date: 
Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:37:39 -0600

Prayer Strengthens You



ISAIAH 40:31 NKJ


31 But those who wait on the Lord shall renew their strength...

Too many people think of prayer only as asking God for what
they want. But prayer is much more than that. Prayer is
communication and communion with Almighty God. Somehow, in the
act of prayer we receive a transfusion of God's strength.



LUKE 22:46 NKJ
46 ..."pray, lest you enter into temptation."

Being strong enables you to not enter into temptation. Time
spent in prayer strengthens you spiritually. (Temptation
strikes us all. But we decide whether to yield to the
temptation, or not.)



JUDE 1:20 NKJ
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy
faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

According to Jude, praying builds you up, or edifies you.
Prayer is a spiritual exercise; the more you do it the stronger
you get spiritually.



Some may protest that they don't know how to pray. Just begin
to talk to God. And listen for His response, not through a
voice, but through His Word, or thoughts in line with His Word.
God is not so particular about how His children visit with Him.
Just do it!



SAY THIS: I choose to spend time with God each day in prayer
and receive God's strength and help.



"a merry heart doeth good like a medicine" Prov 17:22


From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Dec  2 22:31:18 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:18 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <20091202223133.6F1AA2AFC71@node77.smtp.com>

"I do not appreciate being wished a Merry Christmas.  And I do not
appreciate being told to put a little holiday in my heart."

Has this been said to you?  Why!  Why do you think that is?

Instead of shoving Christmas down these people's throats, please let the
Christmas Spirit work through you.  You may not like to hear comments like
this, but do something humorous.  Give humorously.  Is their something you
find in one's kind demeanor?  The way they make you laugh?  The way they
make you think?  Reward them!

Give people a reason why you love them this Christmas.  If someone is
Jewish, and Hanukkah is celebrated, don't let the Christmas spirit die in
you!  Give.  Pray?  And be merry.

If Christ is the Reason for the Season, shouldn't we remember: the
Holiday we have in our heart will carry us?

Merry Christmas!
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Ring-a-ling!

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Hear them ring!

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Soon it will be,

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Christmas Day!

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Please look at the calendar and put a little holiday in your heart!

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Happy Holidays from Eric in Los Angeles!

From djasister at windstream.net  Thu Dec  3 03:05:55 2009
From: djasister at windstream.net (devona able)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:05:55 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Merry Christmas!
References: <20091202223133.6F1AA2AFC71@node77.smtp.com>
Message-ID: <4C469BA4C27D4FC8AF84C5086E6FB72D@DGQ81V31>

I love you in Christ.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Calhoun 
  To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org ; urctcprayergroup2 at yahoogroups.com ; thefamilyoffaith at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Faith-talk] Merry Christmas!


  "I do not appreciate being wished a Merry Christmas.  And I do not
  appreciate being told to put a little holiday in my heart."

  Has this been said to you?  Why!  Why do you think that is?

  Instead of shoving Christmas down these people's throats, please let the
  Christmas Spirit work through you.  You may not like to hear comments like
  this, but do something humorous.  Give humorously.  Is their something you
  find in one's kind demeanor?  The way they make you laugh?  The way they
  make you think?  Reward them!

  Give people a reason why you love them this Christmas.  If someone is
  Jewish, and Hanukkah is celebrated, don't let the Christmas spirit die in
  you!  Give.  Pray?  And be merry.

  If Christ is the Reason for the Season, shouldn't we remember: the
  Holiday we have in our heart will carry us?

  Merry Christmas!
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  Silver bells.

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  It's Christmas time in your city!

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  Ring-a-ling!

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  Hear them ring!

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  Soon it will be,

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  Christmas Day!

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  Please look at the calendar and put a little holiday in your heart!

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  Happy Holidays from Eric in Los Angeles!



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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Thu Dec  3 04:34:17 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:34:17 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <4C469BA4C27D4FC8AF84C5086E6FB72D@DGQ81V31>
References: <20091202223133.6F1AA2AFC71@node77.smtp.com>
	<4C469BA4C27D4FC8AF84C5086E6FB72D@DGQ81V31>
Message-ID: <20091203043418.43DDD18E306@relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Hi. Most Jewish people are perfectly delighted for others to 
celebrate Christmas.  They know what it is to be persecuted and 
really want to live and let live.
Most don't mind being wished a Merry Christmas.  That's my experience.
Okay, I'll go back to lurk mode.
I'm thankful for this list.
At 09:05 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
>I love you in Christ.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Eric Calhoun
>   To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org ; urctcprayergroup2 at yahoogroups.com ; 
> thefamilyoffaith at yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:31 PM
>   Subject: [Faith-talk] Merry Christmas!
>
>
>   "I do not appreciate being wished a Merry Christmas.  And I do not
>   appreciate being told to put a little holiday in my heart."
>
>   Has this been said to you?  Why!  Why do you think that is?
>
>   Instead of shoving Christmas down these people's throats, please let the
>   Christmas Spirit work through you.  You may not like to hear comments like
>   this, but do something humorous.  Give humorously.  Is their something you
>   find in one's kind demeanor?  The way they make you laugh?  The way they
>   make you think?  Reward them!
>
>   Give people a reason why you love them this Christmas.  If someone is
>   Jewish, and Hanukkah is celebrated, don't let the Christmas spirit die in
>   you!  Give.  Pray?  And be merry.
>
>   If Christ is the Reason for the Season, shouldn't we remember: the
>   Holiday we have in our heart will carry us?
>
>   Merry Christmas!
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>   ...
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>   It's Christmas time in your city!
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>   ..
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>   Ring-a-ling!
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>   Hear them ring!
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>   Soon it will be,
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>   ...
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>   Please look at the calendar and put a little holiday in your heart!
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>   ..
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>   Happy Holidays from Eric in Los Angeles!
>
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Dec  5 16:23:34 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:23:34 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Last Chance to Help Braille Literacy with Coin Purchase
Message-ID: <auto-000130174006@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Christmas Header

The holiday season is upon us?a time when we turn 
our focus, more than any other part of the year, 
to giving.  This year, give a gift that really counts?a
future full of opportunity for a blind child!

Today far too many blind children and adults in 
America are being refused Braille instruction by 
both schools and rehabilitation agencies, and many who
are receiving a Braille education are given 
inadequate instruction.  There is a way you can help.

When you purchase the Louis Braille Bicentennial 
Silver Dollar, not only will you receive the 
first U.S. coin to feature readable, tactile Braille, but
$10 from the sale of each coin will also go to 
the National Federation of the Blind?s efforts to 
end this Braille literacy crisis.  That?s a gift anyone
would be proud to give.

But time is running out! You have just a few days 
left to purchase this exceptional coin and leave 
your mark on this crisis.  Visit the
U.S. Mint?s Web site
  or
www.braille.org,
or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468) by December 11, 
2009, to give the gift of Braille literacy 
today.  The United States Mint guarantees delivery by December
25, 2009, on any in-stock item, anywhere in the 
United States on orders placed by December 7, 
2009, for standard delivery, and December 11, 2009, for express
delivery.  Orders over $300 will receive free expedited shipping.

If you've already purchased the Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar, consider making a
matching gift
  to the ?Braille Readers are Leaders? 
campaign.  It is a great way to multiply the 
impact of your purchase.  We at the National Federation of the Blind
thank you for your devotion to America?s blind 
and wish you the happiest of holiday seasons!

Braille Coin (Black &amp; White)

To learn more about the 2009 Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar, the Braille literacy 
crisis, and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit

www.braille.org.

National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
(410) 659-9314    Fax (410) 659-5129  




From eric at pmpmail.com  Sat Dec  5 16:45:11 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:45:11 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [thefamilyoffaith] FIVE WAYS TO HAVE A MORE JOYFUL
	CHRISTMAS
Message-ID: <20091205164526.3F75B2AF8CD@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Mary Ann" <BeautyforAshes7 at shaw.ca>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: [thefamilyoffaith] FIVE WAYS TO HAVE A MORE JOYFUL CHRISTMAS
Date: 
Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:20:55 -0700








FIVE WAYS TO HAVE A MORE JOYFUL CHRISTMAS

1.  STOP, LOOK, AND LISTEN:

If you discover yourself becoming dulled to the joys of  the season,
STOP!  Slow the pace down and become still, taking time to LOOK and LISTEN.
 Take a winter walk, curl up in a favorite chair or before the fireplace.
Helen Keller once observed, "The seeing see little."  So feel the comfort
of the glow of a candle, or the red of the poinsettias.  Listen with new
ears to laughter and bells, and to the expression of love of found in the
story of the first Christmas.

2.  BE WILLING TO BE SURPRISED:
      
Remember that God can come in the least likely ways - a Holy Child born
in a village stable, a brightly shining star, an angel song in the night
sky. Watch for Him to come in equally surprising ways to you, too.  When we
live as if God is going to "surprise" us at any moment, in any way, in any
place, then He usually does!

3.  FIND WAYS TO ANTICIPATE CHRISTMAS:
      
How about keeping an advent calendar?  Commit yourself to perform at
least one special act of kindness for each day of advent.  Write a note,
letter, card or e-mail to someone to express your gratitude, to tell
someone you love them, to forgive an old hurt, or just to count your
blessings.

4.  FREE YOUR CHILDLIKE SPIRIT:
      
Jesus held up childlikeness as a quality to be cultivated (Mark 10:15). 
Children are experts at dreaming up simple things as delights that adults
don't, or have forgotten how to do.  Can't you picture a little boy singing
"Jingle Bells" to a plastic Jesus in a store?  Christmas often comes in
precious moments like this, when we spontaneously show our adoration for
the Baby in the manger.

5.  SHARE THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS WITH SOMEONE ELSE:

Nothing multiplies the sense of wonder in your life like giving it away. 
The more you share (not just things, but yourself) the brighter Christmas
grows.

I hope that these simple steps will help you, or someone you can share
these with, keep the wonder and excitement of Christmas alive during this
busy season.  

Just remember that "Jesus is the reason for the season."
Shared by Nadine
(singing - Willie Nelson)







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From bethkats at samobile.net  Mon Dec  7 05:27:29 2009
From: bethkats at samobile.net (Beth Kats)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] I'm back!
Message-ID: <20091207052729.7806.91180@web1.serotek.com>

My name is Beth for those who don't know me.  For those who remember 
me, I am glad to be back on this list!  I have a prayer request.  I 
would like you to please pray for my Dad.  He has back pain.  I think 
it is Syatica.  I am concerned, but I pray that he will be healed.
Thanks!
Beth

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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Mon Dec  7 06:37:22 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:37:22 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] I'm back!
In-Reply-To: <20091207052729.7806.91180@web1.serotek.com>
References: <20091207052729.7806.91180@web1.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20091207063716.420BC10FA17@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Of course, I remember you.  I'll pray for your Dad.
Blessings, Penny.
At 11:27 PM 12/6/2009, you wrote:
>My name is Beth for those who don't know me.  For those who remember 
>me, I am glad to be back on this list!  I have a prayer request.  I 
>would like you to please pray for my Dad.  He has back pain.  I 
>think it is Syatica.  I am concerned, but I pray that he will be healed.
>Thanks!
>Beth
>
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Mon Dec  7 23:42:43 2009
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:42:43 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] I'm back!
In-Reply-To: <20091207052729.7806.91180@web1.serotek.com>
References: <20091207052729.7806.91180@web1.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20091207234244.0E70410FA28@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Hi Beth,

Welcome back.  I'm just seeing this now, and will pray for your 
dad.  Please keep us posted.

Blessings,

Linda

At 11:27 PM 12/6/2009, you wrote:
>My name is Beth for those who don't know me.  For those who remember 
>me, I am glad to be back on this list!  I have a prayer request.  I 
>would like you to please pray for my Dad.  He has back pain.  I 
>think it is Syatica.  I am concerned, but I pray that he will be healed.
>Thanks!
>Beth
>
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From eric at pmpmail.com  Tue Dec  8 16:45:13 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:45:13 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [nfbsc] Braille Coins
Message-ID: <20091208164528.711962B03C4@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: Liz Lewis <liz4jesus at gmail.com>
To: "NFBsc Yahoo-Group" <nfbsc at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [nfbsc] Braille Coins
Date: 
Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:26:24 -0500

Colleagues,


Early today there were reports that the US Mint's Web site was showing
the
Braille coins as "sold out."  Though we wish it were true, this was the
result of a technical glitch in the Mint's e-commerce system.  Please
encourage those who encountered this problem to return to the Mint's Web
site this afternoon.  The glitch is in the process of being fixed as I
write
to you.



Spread the word,



Mark





Mark A. Riccobono, MSEd

Executive Director, Jernigan Institute

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place

Baltimore, Maryland   21230

Phone: (410) 659-9314 ext. 2357

Fax: (410) 659-5129

Email: mriccobono at nfb.org

Web: www.nfb.org




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From socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 04:54:12 2009
From: socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
Message-ID: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.

I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.

The link to the survey is at:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR

Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
to all of you.

Best,
Phil



From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Fri Dec 11 10:39:15 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:39:15 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with 
my screen reader.
Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>
>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>
>The link to the survey is at:
>
>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>
>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
>to all of you.
>
>Best,
>Phil
>
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From albert at myblindspot.org  Fri Dec 11 12:34:27 2009
From: albert at myblindspot.org (Albert J Rizzi)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:34:27 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <AF35AF899BF14703BEBFD76348D27379@JkTC4D1>

Penny was correct, it was a difficult haul getting through the process.  I
was able to manage, though I would build in a margin of error as this survey
site is not accessible as it should be.  I would also invite you to consider
other religions catholic is a variation  on the judeo Christian theme.  So
do more research on the types of religion out there to include on your
survey, shintoism, Methodist, Greek orthodox, Pentecostal just to name a
few. 

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
CEO/Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
www.myblindspot.org
PH: 917-553-0347
Fax: 212-858-5759
"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it."



-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research

I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with 
my screen reader.
Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>
>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>
>The link to the survey is at:
>
>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>
>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
>to all of you.
>
>Best,
>Phil
>
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From socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 16:22:05 2009
From: socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <AF35AF899BF14703BEBFD76348D27379@JkTC4D1>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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Message-ID: <bb1de9a00912110822y65abb3f8vdbc3864ed1a40ccb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Penny and Albert,

Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in my survey.
Thank you also for your feedback regarding accessibility issues and
suggestions for answer choices.

I will email the survey to the group.

Penny, can you please tell me which screen reader you use so that I
can make improvement next time?

Thank you very much.

Best,
Phil


On 12/11/09, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
> Penny was correct, it was a difficult haul getting through the process.  I
> was able to manage, though I would build in a margin of error as this survey
> site is not accessible as it should be.  I would also invite you to consider
> other religions catholic is a variation  on the judeo Christian theme.  So
> do more research on the types of religion out there to include on your
> survey, shintoism, Methodist, Greek orthodox, Pentecostal just to name a
> few.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research
>
> I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with
> my screen reader.
> Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
> At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
>>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>>
>>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
>>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>>
>>The link to the survey is at:
>>
>>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>>
>>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
>>to all of you.
>>
>>Best,
>>Phil
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Faith-talk mailing list
>>Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>for Faith-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/goldpen%40front
> iernet.net
>
>
>
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From albert at myblindspot.org  Fri Dec 11 16:35:34 2009
From: albert at myblindspot.org (Albert J Rizzi)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <bb1de9a00912110822y65abb3f8vdbc3864ed1a40ccb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com><20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><AF35AF899BF14703BEBFD76348D27379@JkTC4D1>
	<bb1de9a00912110822y65abb3f8vdbc3864ed1a40ccb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4254036DCA0741BE996995478B670203@JkTC4D1>

I am thinking the problem lies with monkey survey dot com.  Not sure if
there is anything you can do without the assistance of an assistive
technologies team guiding  the web master at monkey survey.  Get me their
corporate office info and I could help in that regard..

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
CEO/Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
www.myblindspot.org
PH: 917-553-0347
Fax: 212-858-5759
"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it."


-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:22 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research

Hi Penny and Albert,

Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in my survey.
Thank you also for your feedback regarding accessibility issues and
suggestions for answer choices.

I will email the survey to the group.

Penny, can you please tell me which screen reader you use so that I
can make improvement next time?

Thank you very much.

Best,
Phil


On 12/11/09, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
> Penny was correct, it was a difficult haul getting through the process.  I
> was able to manage, though I would build in a margin of error as this
survey
> site is not accessible as it should be.  I would also invite you to
consider
> other religions catholic is a variation  on the judeo Christian theme.  So
> do more research on the types of religion out there to include on your
> survey, shintoism, Methodist, Greek orthodox, Pentecostal just to name a
> few.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research
>
> I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with
> my screen reader.
> Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
> At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
>>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>>
>>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
>>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>>
>>The link to the survey is at:
>>
>>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>>
>>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
>>to all of you.
>>
>>Best,
>>Phil
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Faith-talk mailing list
>>Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>for Faith-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/goldpen%40fron
t
> iernet.net
>
>
>
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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Fri Dec 11 18:20:59 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:20:59 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <bb1de9a00912110822y65abb3f8vdbc3864ed1a40ccb@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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Hi. I am using window-eyes.  My problem was this:
I went to the first blank, and all the boxes said: checked.  What do 
you do then?  uncheck them all except the one you wanted?
I was totally confused; when I get confused by a voluntary assignment 
I get frustrated. And so it goes.
Best, Penny.
   At 10:22 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Penny and Albert,
>
>Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in my survey.
>Thank you also for your feedback regarding accessibility issues and
>suggestions for answer choices.
>
>I will email the survey to the group.
>
>Penny, can you please tell me which screen reader you use so that I
>can make improvement next time?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>Best,
>Phil
>
>
>On 12/11/09, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
> > Penny was correct, it was a difficult haul getting through the process.  I
> > was able to manage, though I would build in a margin of error as 
> this survey
> > site is not accessible as it should be.  I would also invite you 
> to consider
> > other religions catholic is a variation  on the judeo Christian theme.  So
> > do more research on the types of religion out there to include on your
> > survey, shintoism, Methodist, Greek orthodox, Pentecostal just to name a
> > few.
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > CEO/Founder
> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> > New York, New York  10004
> > www.myblindspot.org
> > PH: 917-553-0347
> > Fax: 212-858-5759
> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> > doing it."
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Penny Golden
> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 AM
> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research
> >
> > I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with
> > my screen reader.
> > Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
> > At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
> >>Hi everyone,
> >>
> >>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
> >>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
> >>
> >>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
> >>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
> >>
> >>The link to the survey is at:
> >>
> >>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
> >>
> >>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
> >>to all of you.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Phil
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Faith-talk mailing list
> >>Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >>for Faith-talk:
> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/goldpen%40front
> > iernet.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Faith-talk:
> > 
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> > spot.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Faith-talk mailing list
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> >
>
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From rpoire at comcast.net  Sat Dec 12 02:30:21 2009
From: rpoire at comcast.net (Ron Poire)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:30:21 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026d01ca7ad3$0df0e660$a4b4484b@cla.umn.edu>

Hi all,
I use Windows XP, and JAWS 10, and breezed through the survey.
JAWS tended to be a little verbose.  It wanted to repeat the question when 
encountering the first checkbox.
The question is spoken, then its spoken again when you get to the first 
checkbox.
It didn't take that long.
It was a lot better than some other surveys I've taken.

Ron Poire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil" <socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com>
To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research


> Hi everyone,
>
> My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
> doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>
> I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
> taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>
> The link to the survey is at:
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>
> Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
> to all of you.
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Faith-talk mailing list
> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From trising at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 12 02:50:13 2009
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:50:13 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] survey
Message-ID: <1327CA1548AD4AA8AFAE68A0D17707F7@user6389c7a3c9>

I also took the survey using Jaws 11 and Windows XP and it was easy.
Terri



From albert at myblindspot.org  Sat Dec 12 15:09:58 2009
From: albert at myblindspot.org (Albert J Rizzi)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
In-Reply-To: <026d01ca7ad3$0df0e660$a4b4484b@cla.umn.edu>
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com>
	<026d01ca7ad3$0df0e660$a4b4484b@cla.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <03703E7506874B2CBDF92E8CF68DDC35@JkTC4D1>

My experiences  mirror yours as well.

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
CEO/Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
www.myblindspot.org
PH: 917-553-0347
Fax: 212-858-5759
"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it."



-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Ron Poire
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:30 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research

Hi all,
I use Windows XP, and JAWS 10, and breezed through the survey.
JAWS tended to be a little verbose.  It wanted to repeat the question when 
encountering the first checkbox.
The question is spoken, then its spoken again when you get to the first 
checkbox.
It didn't take that long.
It was a lot better than some other surveys I've taken.

Ron Poire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil" <socialworkguy1003 at gmail.com>
To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research


> Hi everyone,
>
> My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
> doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>
> I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
> taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>
> The link to the survey is at:
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>
> Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
> to all of you.
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Faith-talk mailing list
> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>
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From 63characters at comcast.net  Mon Dec 14 02:14:24 2009
From: 63characters at comcast.net (d)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:14:24 -0800
Subject: [Faith-talk] Survey research
References: <bb1de9a00912102054v2402cf87s5637e036d79b732a@mail.gmail.com><20091211103914.AC6835FD8D@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><AF35AF899BF14703BEBFD76348D27379@JkTC4D1><bb1de9a00912110822y65abb3f8vdbc3864ed1a40ccb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091211182057.9429D10F9E6@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <3694EC3622EE489384623BE140FB0F74@d31ecb057fea415>

It appears that you checked an edit box every time you moved.  Every time I 
found the right box and checked it, I tabbed to the next question.  I found 
the thing just stopped working in the middle.  If that was a time-out 
feature, it didn't give me very much time.  Something was technically wrong, 
in that the questions shouldn't be part of the edit boxes, but it was usable 
as long as it worked.

Debbie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research


> Hi. I am using window-eyes.  My problem was this:
> I went to the first blank, and all the boxes said: checked.  What do you 
> do then?  uncheck them all except the one you wanted?
> I was totally confused; when I get confused by a voluntary assignment I 
> get frustrated. And so it goes.
> Best, Penny.
>   At 10:22 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote:
>>Hi Penny and Albert,
>>
>>Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in my survey.
>>Thank you also for your feedback regarding accessibility issues and
>>suggestions for answer choices.
>>
>>I will email the survey to the group.
>>
>>Penny, can you please tell me which screen reader you use so that I
>>can make improvement next time?
>>
>>Thank you very much.
>>
>>Best,
>>Phil
>>
>>
>>On 12/11/09, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>> > Penny was correct, it was a difficult haul getting through the process. 
>> > I
>> > was able to manage, though I would build in a margin of error as
>> this survey
>> > site is not accessible as it should be.  I would also invite you
>> to consider
>> > other religions catholic is a variation  on the judeo Christian theme. 
>> > So
>> > do more research on the types of religion out there to include on your
>> > survey, shintoism, Methodist, Greek orthodox, Pentecostal just to name 
>> > a
>> > few.
>> >
>> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> > CEO/Founder
>> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> > New York, New York  10004
>> > www.myblindspot.org
>> > PH: 917-553-0347
>> > Fax: 212-858-5759
>> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> > is
>> > doing it."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> > [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Penny Golden
>> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 AM
>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Survey research
>> >
>> > I tried to fill out the survey.  It was a miserable experience with
>> > my screen reader.
>> > Couldn't it be done as an email instead?
>> > At 10:54 PM 12/10/2009, you wrote:
>> >>Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >>My name is Phil.  I am a blind social work research student and am
>> >>doing a survey research on religion and blindness/visual impairment.
>> >>
>> >>I would deeply appreciate it if you could please help my research by
>> >>taking 5 minutes to answer a few questions.
>> >>
>> >>The link to the survey is at:
>> >>
>> >>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BFSMPLR
>> >>
>> >>Thank you very much for your help.  I appreciate it.  Happy holidays
>> >>to all of you.
>> >>
>> >>Best,
>> >>Phil
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Faith-talk mailing list
>> >>Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> >>for Faith-talk:
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From braille at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 15 10:29:41 2009
From: braille at sbcglobal.net (Mary Donahue)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:29:41 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
Message-ID: <AD27EDC9097D4DE18CB70E07392DA113@valued3a11ee5d>

Good morning everyone,

    It is with sadness that I report the death of my dad, Richard (Dick) 
Jeatran on Sunday night, at my parents' summer home in Hayward, Wisconsin. 
He will be missed by many people. He had fought cancer for more than a year, 
but this time, the cancer won. He was 83 at the time of his death.

    There will be a funeral on Saturday, December 19, at St. Joseph's 
Catholic Church in Hayward, at 11:00 A.M. with a visitation at 10:00. 
Afterwards, everyone in attendence will be going to a steakhouse in Hayward 
to celebrate his life. That is what he would have wanted.

    Dad's last weekend on earth was a tough one because he didn't want to do 
anything, not even talk. The best thing I could do on Sunday afternoon was 
to leave a message through Mother to tell him I loved him.

    At any rate, I will be flying to Minneapolis-St. Paul on Thursday at 
6:30 in the morning, and then be driven to Hayward where I will be staying 
through Christmas week, and flying back to San Antonio on the twenty-eighth. 
If you wish to send condolences, you can still send emails, and I can read 
them when I get back. Those of you who know me well enough can reach me 
after Thursday at (715) 634-5835.

    Thanks for all your prayers in advance, and now, please pray for the 
rest of my family as we adjust to Dad's passing.

Mary Donahue


"Be Well, Do good Work, and keep in touch."
Garrison Keillor 




From jordanj229 at verizon.net  Wed Dec 16 01:49:47 2009
From: jordanj229 at verizon.net (joanne)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
In-Reply-To: <AD27EDC9097D4DE18CB70E07392DA113@valued3a11ee5d>
Message-ID: <0KUQ00FGT2EZE3Y3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

Hello Mary
This is Joanne Jordan here.  I'm so sorry about your dad, but he is not
suffering anymore.  I hope he was saved.
Feel free to call me if you want to talk. Will Pete be with you?  This is a
tough year for a lot of people.
Joanne Jordan




From braille at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 16 02:37:34 2009
From: braille at sbcglobal.net (Mary Donahue)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:37:34 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
References: <0KUQ00FGT2EZE3Y3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <91F7E5D8396542F5985CD0607B3608E9@valued3a11ee5d>

Hello Joanne and listers,

No, Pete won't be with me, but we'll probably be talking to each other quite 
a bit. He and my parents never got along very well. However, he talked to 
Dad before he died, telling him that he felt privileged being married to me. 
I'm sure he'll say the same thing to Mother once the funeral is over and 
everything is settling down.

Mary Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joanne" <jordanj229 at verizon.net>
To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad


> Hello Mary
> This is Joanne Jordan here.  I'm so sorry about your dad, but he is not
> suffering anymore.  I hope he was saved.
> Feel free to call me if you want to talk. Will Pete be with you?  This is 
> a
> tough year for a lot of people.
> Joanne Jordan
>
>
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From sanchez.maryellen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 11:18:32 2009
From: sanchez.maryellen at gmail.com (Mary Ellen Sanchez)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:18:32 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
References: <0KUQ00FGT2EZE3Y3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<91F7E5D8396542F5985CD0607B3608E9@valued3a11ee5d>
Message-ID: <3CB00CF1E5FF4CA6BD82F1F5EC3E7FD7@ownerf32575c2a>

Hello Mary.  this is Mary and i met you at the nfb convention.  please know 
you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers during this time.  i am 
very sorry for your loss and my heart goes out to you.  I hope that your dad 
was saved and is a christian.  He is not suffering anymore. Heaven is a 
beautiful place where we all want to be one day.  Please know i am praying 
for you during this time.
your friend,
Mary.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Donahue" <braille at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad


> Hello Joanne and listers,
>
> No, Pete won't be with me, but we'll probably be talking to each other 
> quite a bit. He and my parents never got along very well. However, he 
> talked to Dad before he died, telling him that he felt privileged being 
> married to me. I'm sure he'll say the same thing to Mother once the 
> funeral is over and everything is settling down.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joanne" <jordanj229 at verizon.net>
> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
>
>
>> Hello Mary
>> This is Joanne Jordan here.  I'm so sorry about your dad, but he is not
>> suffering anymore.  I hope he was saved.
>> Feel free to call me if you want to talk. Will Pete be with you?  This is 
>> a
>> tough year for a lot of people.
>> Joanne Jordan
>>
>>
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From 63characters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 16 11:47:30 2009
From: 63characters at comcast.net (d)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:47:30 -0800
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
References: <0KUQ00FGT2EZE3Y3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1AC0943A3D73429BA7D59E2167603BAF@d31ecb057fea415>

Sorry to hear about your dad, Mary.  You guys have had a rough year, and 
it's hard around the holidays like this.  I will keep you in my prayers.

Debbie Brown
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From bethkats at samobile.net  Wed Dec 16 16:43:22 2009
From: bethkats at samobile.net (Beth Kats)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:43:22 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] An Angel Took My Dad
Message-ID: <20091216164322.11346.83385@web2.serotek.com>

Dear Mary,
You have my sympathy.  I will pray for you and your family.
Beth

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From eric at pmpmail.com  Sun Dec 20 06:46:46 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [nfbsc] FW: [Nfb-announce] White House Fellows
	program
Message-ID: <20091220064702.6FB832AFB00@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Steve & Shannon Cook" <cookcafe at sc.rr.com>
To: <SCABS at yahoogroups.com>, <nfbsc at yahoogroups.com>,
<palmettovision at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [nfbsc] FW: [Nfb-announce] White House Fellows program
Date: 
Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:52:42 -0500

 


Steve & Shannon
Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas when you stop opening
presents and listen.  
-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:36 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfb-announce] White House Fellows program


>
>President Obama and Mrs. Obama would like your help to encourage 
>talented leaders with disabilities to apply to the White House 
>Fellows program.
>
>  Obviously, we are committed to inclusion of people with 
> disabilities but we need you all to spread the word and help 
> identify qualified candidates.
>
>  Please very carefully review the type of candidate that should 
> apply to this type of program.
>
>
>
>The White House Fellowship is one of the nation's most prestigious 
>programs for leadership and public service.  Each year, 11-19 
>exceptional young men and women are selected to spend a year in 
>Washington, D.C. to gain first-hand experience in the process of 
>governing the nation at the highest levels of the Federal government.
>
>
>
>Candidates need to be promising young leaders who are excelling 
>early in their careers and are committed to leadership and public 
>service.  Thus, this is not for students but rather for individuals 
>already into their careers.
>
>
>
>Attached is a letter from President and Mrs. Obama.  Please share 
>this message with qualified applicants and/or organizations in your 
>network that can help identify such candidates.
>
>
>
>Learn more about the White House Fellowship 
><http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows>http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows
>
>
>
>Download the application 
><http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows/apply1>http://www.whitehouse.gov/a

bout/fellows/apply1 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The information about the program is on the website.  Applicants 
>should follow the procedures using the on-line links above.  The 
>deadline is February 1.
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec 20 20:01:32 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:01:32 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] NFBNet.org Users Can Submit Recipes for Braille Monitor
Message-ID: <auto-000132145823@mailfront2.g2host.com>

As you know the Braille Monitor publishes a few recipes each 
month.  The practice, for some time is to go through the states 
alphabetically, one at a time, then to give Divisions a chance if 
they wish.  We are about through the states in this cycle, and are 
about to go to Divisions.  I have asked, and Dan Frye has agreed that 
NFBNET.ORG Users will get a chance to submit recipes for one of these 
months, June of 2010.

So, I am putting out a call for recipes.  I will establish a couple 
ground rules.  First, of course, good recipes only, none of the a can 
of this, a can of that, and a can of mushroom soup, and bake for an 
hour.  The recipes should be original, and not published in the 
Monitor previously.  You can submit multiple recipes, but unless we 
don't get enough submissions, we will only publish one recipe per 
submitter to give the most people a chance.  The Monitor uses six 
recipes per month.

Finally, since I run NFBNet.org, and have for 18 years, I am the 
final judge.  I may seek assistance, but ultimately it is my decision.

Please submit your recipes to me at
david.andrews at nfbnet.org

Dave

	




From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Dec 21 02:12:08 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:12:08 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Fwd: Information you may wish to share
Message-ID: <auto-000132159430@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FYI:


>From: "Marilyn Womble" <womble-m at cfl.rr.com>
>To: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Information you may wish to share
>Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:31:31 -0500
>
>David, after purchasingthe solar powered Bible  Ifor $100, I have 
>learned that Braille Bibles Internation offers the same unit for a 
>donation of $25.  In addition, you may purchase two CD's of the 
>Bible in MP3 format.  It is read by Scorby.  If someone wishes to 
>use their cassette player, they have the cassettes available for 
>them.  One may call Braille Bibles Internation or go to their web 
>page, download an application, and go from there.
>The self-contained digital unit is easy to use, well read, and about 
>the size of a cell phone.
>Marilyn Womble


From kk3f at msn.com  Mon Dec 21 19:44:52 2009
From: kk3f at msn.com (pat gormley)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Fwd: Information you may wish to share
References: <auto-000132159430@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP683C708FF31D461C0335E290820@phx.gbl>

Marilyn what is the name of the website?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] Fwd: Information you may wish to share


> FYI:
>
>
>>From: "Marilyn Womble" <womble-m at cfl.rr.com>
>>To: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>Subject: Information you may wish to share
>>Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:31:31 -0500
>>
>>David, after purchasingthe solar powered Bible  Ifor $100, I have learned 
>>that Braille Bibles Internation offers the same unit for a donation of 
>>$25.  In addition, you may purchase two CD's of the Bible in MP3 format. 
>>It is read by Scorby.  If someone wishes to use their cassette player, 
>>they have the cassettes available for them.  One may call Braille Bibles 
>>Internation or go to their web page, download an application, and go from 
>>there.
>>The self-contained digital unit is easy to use, well read, and about the 
>>size of a cell phone.
>>Marilyn Womble
> _______________________________________________
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From eric at pmpmail.com  Tue Dec 22 08:17:38 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:17:38 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Monday December 21st
Message-ID: <20091222081754.18BD22AFDB9@node77.smtp.com>

Perfect for Capital-C-h-r-i-s-t-m-a-s!


Original Message: 
From: "Christine" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Monday December 21st
Date: 
Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:16:27 -0000

Stay ever connected to your dreams, your values, your experience and your
wisdom. Give yourself a moment to consider the best of who you are before
you decide how to speak or to act. Every moment is a choice that you have
the opportunity to make. Choose those possibilities that will move you
steadily and decisively.



From eric at pmpmail.com  Tue Dec 22 20:50:04 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:50:04 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [thefamilyoffaith] Larry Ollison - What is Holding
	Your Relationship Together?
Message-ID: <20091222205019.EAC022AFA99@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "TONY_at_FloridaHealth" <FloridaHealth21 at verizon.net>
To: <thefamilyoffaith at yahoogroups.com>, <CcHhEeSsTtEeRr at yahoogroups.com>,
<INTERCESSORS-ALLNATIONS at yahoogroups.com>, "Donna Mae"
<btlg1370 at gmail.com>, <walkwithchrist at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [thefamilyoffaith] Larry Ollison -  What is Holding Your
Relationship Together?
Date: 
Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:09:06 -0500


     
        



      What is Holding Your Relationship Together? 
      by Dr. Larry Ollison
             "Two are better than one, because they have a good reward
for their labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion. But woe
to him who is alone when he falls, for he has no one to help him up. Again,
if two lie down together, they will keep warm; but how can one be warm
alone? Though one may be overpowered by another, two can withstand him. And
a threefold cord is not quickly broken."  Ecclesiastes 4:9-12

      Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 is a scripture that is used many times in
weddings. The threefold cord in the marriage is the husband, the wife, and
the Holy Spirit. 
      Every relationship you have has one invisible partner and that's
the cord that ties the relationship together. Whether it's a marriage
relationship, a church relationship, a friendship or a business
partnership, there is an invisible force that is the third cord that binds
them together. If the partners are in agreement with the principles of God
and have allowed the relationship to be based on God's Word, then that
third cord in the relationship will be the Holy Spirit. This opens the door
for blessings from God.

      Sadly, not all relationships are bound together by God. It's
amazing what ties some people together. Recently a lady was telling me
about a long time friendship that she had with a neighbor. Her neighbor was
moving to another state and she was concerned that this would terminate the
relationship. 

      I asked her what it was that she and her friend had in common, only
to hear the surprising response. She said, "Once a week we get together and
have tea and we discuss what's happened recently in the life of 'John Doe.'
We've been doing this for years. It's our own personal soap opera." When I
asked her why they always talked about "John Doe," she replied, "That's
easy. We both have a mutual hatred for him. He has hurt us both and we
enjoy discussing his failures."
      It's sad, but the third cord that held these two ladies together in
their friendship was a spirit of hatred. Some are tied together by
unforgiveness or rebellion. This should not be.

      Every relationship worth having should be bound by the Spirit of
God. And then instead of the relationship being a weight that will lead to
destruction, it will allow the two to withstand evil and a threefold cord
is not quickly broken. 
      A relationship based on godly principles and sealed by the binding
of the Holy Spirit will be refreshing, peaceful and never burdensome.  


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From lison1273 at live.com  Tue Dec 22 22:15:27 2009
From: lison1273 at live.com (Lisa)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:15:27 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Happy holidays
Message-ID: <SNT107-DS2190BB396D364C1DA0F5A1D3810@phx.gbl>

I just want to wish everyone a very happy hliday season and a wonderful new year.   

From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Dec 23 08:28:11 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:28:11 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Holiday Message from My House To Yours
Message-ID: <20091223082827.81B3A2AF7E6@node77.smtp.com>

Hi, this is Brother Eric Calhoun.  First of all, a word of thanks:

Thank all of you for your encouraging words of wisdom.

Thank you for all your prayer requests.

Thank you for keeping me on my toes!  (You moderators know who you are! 
You make it happen!)

And, finally,

Thank you for allowing God's love to shine through all of us, and thank
you for putting a little holiday in your heart.

2009 will be remembered as the year faith was in action.  We celebrated
victories, and put down defeats.  Some of our loved ones went to be with
our Lord.

But we'll make it into two thousand ten!  So, in 2 thousand ten, do it
again!  Let us praise our Lord with a new commitment to praying for lost
souls, winning new souls, and celebrating those ever-so-needed victories!

May the Holiday Season bring humor, wisdom, and laughter, and, of course,
happy tears, to your hearts.

May the New Year be a celebration of not just, "Happy New Year," but
"Happy New Life" as we begin a "Happy New You," and, "Happy New Me."

And,

May the Blessings of Almighty God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, descend
upon you, and remain forever.

>From my house to yours, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!

Eric
..
..


This Holiday Season, give what is on your heart; don't give obligatorily.
 Please remember the sick, the down-trodden, the lost, and the shut-in.

..


..

And always!

..

..

Try to be good to each other.

May you and yours have a joyous Holiday Season; may it be festive and
jolly!

And may the rest of your life, 

Be a joyous occasion.

>From myhouse to yours:

Happy Holidays, and Best Wishes for the coming New Year!

Eric from Los Angeles!

From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Dec 23 15:09:23 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:09:23 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] Daily Bible Verse for 12/23
Message-ID: <20091223150939.015DD2AF6E8@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "chosenbygod316" <chosenbygod316 at yahoo.com>
To: URCTCPrayerGroup2 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] Daily Bible Verse for 12/23
Date: 
Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:48:25 -0000

Note: As Christmas is coming up lickity split, make sure you stop
(STOP!) and raise holy hands to the Lord who we celebrate at this time
and throughout the year. Hallelujah!

Wednesday, 23 December 2009

Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with
the teaching about righteousness.Hebrews 5:13

As mentioned in an earlier verse, the author intentionally kept his
thoughts in the previous chapters on a level his readers could
understand because they needed "milk, not solid food." Today he tells us
that the teachings about righteousness are included in the "solid food."
In other words, we have the simple gospel which saves ?

we sinned and are condemned;
Jesus didn't and in Him is life;
He traded His life for ours;
by faith in His work we also can be saved.

This is the gospel which Paul preaches and which anyone can understand,
from a young child to an old person; from a businessman to a farmer;
from a Tibetan herdsman to a Polynesian fisherman ? all can
understand this news and be saved. But salvation is merely the first
step (or should be) in Christian maturity. From this point we should
move forward into righteousness, which leads to sanctification.
Sanctification is an on-going process whereby we are conformed to the
likeness of Christ. Eventually we will be glorified and become like Him
in a way we now can't comprehend.

Paul, in Romans, states this process in the past tense. In other words,
it's a done deal for all believers, but from our perspective it is
future -

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also
justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:30

We can come to salvation and yet stubbornly refuse to mature. This will
lead to a loss of rewards in our eternal home, but it will never affect
our salvation which comes through being justified. Nor will it hinder
our ultimate glorification. But what a loss in this life to remain on
milk when there is the glorious solid food which we can pursue through
His word! Let's pray about this ?

Lord God ? let us not squander the time You have given us from the
moment we first believed. Instead, prompt our hearts on to increasing in
the knowledge of who You are and how You have worked in human history to
restore us to You through our Lord Jesus Christ. May You be the one who
is glorified as we eagerly pursue You! Amen.


From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Dec 23 15:24:56 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:24:56 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] I'm ok! by Joyce Meyer
Message-ID: <20091223152512.3711C2AFF08@node77.smtp.com>

Hi, people.  This will conclude my forwards for right now, but know I am
praying for every need represented in Faith Talk.  And Mary, your dad's
not
suffering anymore.  The Lord is blessing you now.


Original Message: 
From: Donna Kiser <kiserdonna5 at gmail.com>
To: URCTCPrayerGroup2 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] I'm ok! by Joyce Meyer
Date: 
Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:48:56 -0500

 I'm OK and I'm On My Way!
by Joyce Meyer
The expression "nobody's perfect" is used or heard almost every day, but
it's true-I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, nobody's perfect.
Hopefully,
though, we're all getting better and are on our way to perfection. The
important thing to remember is that even though we're not yet perfect,
we're
still OK. Just because we haven't arrived yet doesn't mean that we're not
on
our way.

It's true that we all still have a long way to go. I used to get
discouraged
about how far I had to go, and it seemed like I was reminded of it every
day, sometimes every hour. I carried a constant sense of failure-a feeling
that I just wasn't who I needed to be, I wasn't doing good enough, and I
needed to try harder. Yet when I did try harder, I only failed again.

I've now adopted a new attitude: "I'm not where I need to be, but thank
God
I'm not where I used to be. I'm OK, and I'm on my way!" I now know with
all
my heart that God isn't angry with me just because I haven't arrived yet.
He's pleased that I'm pressing on and staying on the path. If you and I
will
just "keep on keeping on," God will be pleased with our progress.

Keep walking the walk one step at a time. This is an important thing to
remember. It's true that we have to keep pressing on, but thank God we
don't
have to hate or reject ourselves while we're trying to get to our
destination.

If I invited you to take a walk, you'd think I was crazy if I became
angry
after the first few steps because we hadn't yet arrived at our
destination.
We can understand ordinary things like this, yet we have a difficult time
understanding that God expects it to take some time for us to grow
spiritually.

We don't think there's something wrong with one-year-old children because
they can't walk perfectly. They fall down frequently, but we pick them up,
love them, bandage them if necessary, and keep working with them. Surely
our
heavenly Father can do even more for us than we do for our children.

The process is always difficult. Growing and learning is never easy, but
the
changes make us better people. We begin to think differently, then to
talk
differently, and finally, to act differently. This process develops in
stages, and we must always remember that while it's taking place, we can
have the attitude, "I'm OK, and I'm on my way!"

Enjoy yourself while you're changing. Enjoy where you are on the way to
where you're going. Enjoy the journey! Don't waste all of your "now time"
trying to rush into the future. Remember, tomorrow will have troubles of
its
own (Matthew 6:34).

Today you may be wrestling with a bad temper, thinking if you could just
get
freedom in this area, everything would be all right. But the thing is,
God
will then reveal something else that needs to be dealt with, and you'll
be
back in that same frame of mind again, thinking, "If only I didn't have
this
problem, I could be happy." We must learn to look at these things in a
new
way.

We can be free to believe that we are, indeed, OK and on our way-not
perfected yet, but pressing on. We can be free to enjoy life, enjoy God
and
enjoy ourselves.

Hugs,
Donna--
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and He will lift you up. James
4:10


From eric at pmpmail.com  Thu Dec 24 07:57:57 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:57:57 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [ChristianChit-Chat] Everyone's Christmas Is Not
	Merry
Message-ID: <20091224075813.4A2A22AFB28@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: buffalogirl <aperron01 at yahoo.com>
To: ChristianChit-Chat at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ChristianChit-Chat] Everyone's Christmas Is Not Merry
Date: 
Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:22:35 -0800 (PST)




















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      Everyone's Christmas Is Not 
      Merry 
      
      

Not everyone's Christmas is merry, 
      
not everyone's heart's filled with cheer; 
perhaps it's because 
      they are missing 
a loved one not with them this year. 
      



It might be a soldier in service, 

or death might 
      have darkened their door; 
there's reasons why some folks are lonely 
      
and something we should not ignore. 
      



It must be real hard to be lonely, 

while others 
      are happy and gay; 
while we see the blue skies and sunshine, 
their 
      skies are cloudy and gray. 




And it's easy with our lives so busy 
to not take 
      the time to be there 
to help lift a burden for others 
and let them 
      know somebody cares. 




If you want to do something this Christmas 
to 
      help those who might be alone, 
take time from your parties and 
      shopping 
and give them a call on the phone. 
      



Better yet, pay 'em a visit 

to let 'em know 
      somebody cares; 
for none of us know of tomorrow 
when we may have 
      crosses to bear. 




So this year when you go out shopping 
be sure 
      that you add to your list 
a name of someone that's lonely 
and give 
      them the best kind of gift. 




You won't have to spend any money, 
for we know 
      that the best gifts are free. 
Take time for the lonely this Christmas, 
      
it's just how God meant it to be. 
      
       
      
      By? 
      Mrs.? P's.

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-- 
Anita




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From eric at pmpmail.com  Thu Dec 24 21:06:43 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:06:43 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] Blessings for Christmas
Message-ID: <20091224210659.410132AF9CB@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Tina Simon" <tmsimon2 at verizon.net>
To: <URCTCPrayerGroup2 at yahoogroups.com>, <prayercanhelp at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [URCTCPrayerGroup2] Blessings for Christmas
Date: 
Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:58:44 -0500

Beloved Father God,

 

Today's the day we remember the birth of your son on earth.  What a risk!
Yes, we know we live in a sinful world, and that there is much pain and
sorrow, but you know this even better than we do...yet, you sent your son
as
a helpless baby to be raised by sinners.  Yes, you chose wonderful godly
parents, and yet...we are not perfect.

 

What were those silent years like, dear brother Jesus?  Were you picked
on
even then?  What dear ones did you lose?  When Joseph died, did your
brothers whisper in your ear: do a miracle, Jesus?

 

We need ask mercy at the throne of the king of the universe, and yet, we
gave you none.  If this is what they did during the green years, what will
they do to your followers in the dry years.

 

And yet, because of the hope you give to us, we rejoice.  We have a
kingdom
that can never be taken away.  We have a Father and a brother we can
never
lose.  We have the Holy Spirit to unite us no matter where we are.

 

"No pit is so deep that you are not deeper still."-Corie ten Boom

 

May God bless all during this season.  Because of Jesus, we have a light
in
us that can never be put out.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uh4U0VPASE

 

May we have better love next time.

 

Tina



From eric at pmpmail.com  Fri Dec 25 15:49:15 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:49:15 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [ChristianChit-Chat] Today's Scripture *Christmas
	Day* December 25, 2009
Message-ID: <20091225154931.AFAB32AF62A@node77.smtp.com>

I would like to take this time to wish all of you a very blessed Merry
Christmas, and a Happy New Year!


Original Message: 
From: "sue395" <sue.rosseau1 at gmail.com>
To: <CozyCoffeeClutch at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ChristianChit-Chat] Today's Scripture *Christmas Day* December
25, 2009
Date: 
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:56:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

 

 

 

 

Today's Scripture *Christmas Day* December 25, 2009

 

Luke 1:34

Mary asked the angel, "But how can this happen? I am a virgin."

 

The birth of Jesus to a virgin is a miracle that many people find hard to
believe. These four facts can aid our faith :

(1) Luke was a medical doctor; and he knew perfectly well how babies are
made. It would have been just as hard for him to believe in a virgin birth
as it is for us, yet he reports it as a fact.

(2) Luke was a painstaking researcher who based his Gospel on eye witness
accounts. Tradition holds that he talked with Mary about the events he
recorded in the first two chapters of Luke. This is Mary's story, not a
fictional invention. And Mary is someone Luke would have known and spoken
to
on several occasions.

(3) Christians and Jews, who worship God as Creator of the universe,
should
have no doubts that God has the power to create a child in a virgin's
womb.
After all -- God created the World with His own hands!

(4) Luke records the account of prophesy being fulfilled. Isaiah said
that
the Messiah would be born from a virgin's womb--and that is exactly what
happened when Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit and gave birth to
the
Savior of the world; Jesus Christ; Immanuel, God is with us!

Matthew 1: 23 "Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give
birth
to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means 'God is with us.'"

Isaiah 7: 14 All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign.
Look!
The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will
call
him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us'). 

 

O Lord! We are so thankful for the mighty works of Your hands!

You brought Your Son, Jesus Christ, into this world through the virgin's
womb just as You promised long ago.

You are always good for Your Word! May we remember that as we go about
our
daily lives!

You say what You mean and You do what You say! 

Thank You for this season when we can celebrate worldwide the birth of
our
Savior, Christ Jesus, Immanuel!

God is with us! Praise You Lord! May we remember all year round the
precious
gift You have blessed us with!

In Jesus' Name, Amen..

 

Merry CHIRSTmas!!

God bless you richly with His precious peace!

 

April

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From eric at pmpmail.com  Fri Dec 25 16:29:43 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:29:43 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Friday December 25th
Message-ID: <20091225162959.5CAEA2AF638@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Christine" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Friday December 25th
Date: 
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:09:33 -0000

The joy of this day is a joy offered to all in the spirit of love. To
rich and poor, to the leaders and the outcasts, to the lucky and the
lonely, love is the gift that can transcend every barrier and touch every
heart. More brilliant than the glitter of the moment, unshaken by the
frenzy and confusion, love shines through. Love, freely given, brings hope
where hope was impossible, and changes things forever. Look around on this
day and you'll know it. 



From eric at pmpmail.com  Fri Dec 25 21:49:14 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:49:14 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [thefamilyoffaith] Larry Ollison - The Reason for
	Christmas
Message-ID: <20091225214929.CF04D2AF983@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "TONY_at_FloridaHealth" <FloridaHealth21 at verizon.net>
To: <thefamilyoffaith at yahoogroups.com>, <CcHhEeSsTtEeRr at yahoogroups.com>,
<INTERCESSORS-ALLNATIONS at yahoogroups.com>, "Donna Mae"
<btlg1370 at gmail.com>, <walkwithchrist at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [thefamilyoffaith] Larry Ollison - The Reason for Christmas
Date: 
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:40:21 -0500



     
              www.cfaith.com   
     
            
              The Reason for Christmas 
            By Larry Ollison, Ph.D. 
             
            Regardless of what the modern news media may tell you,
Christmas is about Jesus. Of course, it is the season of love and joy. Of
course, it is the season of giving. But all of the love, all of the joy,
and all of the giving is because of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Without Jesus
there would be no Christmas season. Let me explain. 

            It may come as a shock to some people, but before Jesus was
born there was no Christmas. Although it is a known fact that Jesus was not
born on December 25, 0000, the Julian and Gregorian calendars use this date
as the anchor for all dates. For example, this year is 2008 AD (Anno
Domini) or "2008 In the Year of Our Lord." The birth of Jesus is the basis
for the (AD) system of dating. 

            However, the value and purpose of Christmas is much deeper
that just a dating system of time. The birth of Jesus marks the beginning
of a new phase of God's plan for mankind. It has been said that when Jesus
came to earth, it was the greatest chapter in the Story of the Glory. Here
is what that means. 

            In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. On
the sixth day He created man in His own image and likeness. God did not do
this in secret. The entire universe watched as He stepped to center stage
and made a proclamation that reverberated throughout the regions of heaven
and hell. God said, "Let Us make man in our image, according to Our
likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds
of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping
thing that creeps on the earth." (Gen. 1:26). 

            In Psalm 8 the Bible records how one angel, who apparently
didn't understand, asked the Creator about what was happening. He asked
God, "What is a man, and why is he so important to you? Who is the son of
man that you visit him?" Up until this time angels had never heard of a
man, but God had created him and made him like Himself and placed him in a
beautiful garden and spent intimate time with him. 

            The Bible tells us in that same passage that God made man a
little lower than Elohim. Elohim is the Hebrew plural word for God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. But now, just a little below
God, and above the angels, man was given this new position. Then the Bible
says that God crowned him. He didn't ask Gabriel or Michael to do it. God,
Himself, crowned man with the glory and established man's place in God's
heart for eternity. 

            Man was crowned with glory and honor for every creature in
the universe to see. Although this concept may be difficult to grasp, this
crown was made of the most valuable substance in the universe. The glory of
God is God Himself and He covered man in His glory. Man was then prepared
for eternal fellowship with His Creator. 

            Then God placed man in a garden east of Eden. The
relationship between God and man was very intimate. God gave man authority
over the garden. Like today, there were things he was to do and there were
some things he was not supposed to do. 

            When man was disobedient, the glory that had been his
covering was gone. He lost the ability to fellowship with his Creator. He
fell from that glorious position where God had placed him. He realized he
was naked and he was afraid. It looked like he was doomed to an eternal
existence alone without the closeness of the presence of God (the glory). 

            But God had a plan. Oh, what a plan! God loved His creation
so much that after 4,000 years He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus, to the
earth in the form of a man. He was a part of the wonderful plan to break
down the wall that separated man from God. Jesus lived a perfect life as a
man. He was the Son of God, but He set all of that aside and lived for 33
years as a sinless man. He laid down His life on the cross and became the
perfect sacrifice. 

            After three days, God resurrected Jesus and He came back to
life. He taught His disciples for forty days and then was taken into heaven
to be with His Father, God. And today, He is waiting to return to the earth
to collect His church. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God,
that God raised Him from the dead, and does not deny Jesus, is a part of
the church and has eternal life. Life is always better than death. 

            Christmas is the celebration of the birth of a little boy in
Bethlehem. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of a Savior who laid
down His life so we could have life. Christmas is the celebration of the
Light entering the world so that we do not have to live in darkness. 

            Celebrating Christmas is the celebration of Jesus and without
Jesus there is no reason to celebrate. We show our love for Him by loving,
forgiving, and giving to others. Jesus said, they (non-Christians) will
know we are Christians by the way we love each other. 

            This is the Story of the Glory-God created man in the Glory.
Man fell from the Glory. God made a way for man to come back to Him and the
Glory. This is the reason we celebrate Christmas. 


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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 01:18:24 2009
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] anglicans
Message-ID: <002301ca875b$a7367c60$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn>

What do anglicans believe concerning Salvation, and the Lords supper? RJ

From trising at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 28 02:18:37 2009
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:18:37 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] anglicans
References: <002301ca875b$a7367c60$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <7830D78AE7624BBBB8CE061619331378@user6389c7a3c9>

I was attending a conservative Anglican church until it closed because of 
lack of membership last August. Now, I attend a Missouri Synod Lutheran 
Church. Both churches believe in the Nicene Creed as basic doctrin. 
Salvation is through Christ's death on the cross. He became sin for us so 
that God could see us as Righteous, that is, if we accept his salvation. We 
get it by asking Him into our lives and believing that He alone saves us, we 
can do nothing of ourselves for Salvation. One scriptural basis for this 
belief is Ephesians 2, verses eight and nine. Both churches believe in the 
God breathed, or inspired, inherent, infallible word of God. There is a 
verse in Revelation 20 or 21 that says cursed be anyone who adds to or takes 
away words from my book. That is serious stuff. One area where they differ 
is in Apostolic succession, the idea that priests are consecrated or 
ordained, and that their gift is directly descended through the apostles to 
Popes, and to both Catholic and Anglican priests. The church I now attend 
does not take this view. As to Communion, the Anglican church believes that 
it is both bread and wine, but also the body and blood of Christ. As to how 
it could be both, that is an unexplainable mystery. Read John 6 in order to 
hear Jesus Himself instruct his disciples to eat His flesh and drink His 
blood. 




From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 14:46:30 2009
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:46:30 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] anglicans
References: <002301ca875b$a7367c60$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn>
	<7830D78AE7624BBBB8CE061619331378@user6389c7a3c9>
Message-ID: <002501ca895e$e06e8130$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn>

anks for explaining Anglicanism. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "trising" <trising at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] anglicans


>I was attending a conservative Anglican church until it closed because of 
>lack of membership last August. Now, I attend a Missouri Synod Lutheran 
>Church. Both churches believe in the Nicene Creed as basic doctrin. 
>Salvation is through Christ's death on the cross. He became sin for us so 
>that God could see us as Righteous, that is, if we accept his salvation. We 
>get it by asking Him into our lives and believing that He alone saves us, 
>we can do nothing of ourselves for Salvation. One scriptural basis for this 
>belief is Ephesians 2, verses eight and nine. Both churches believe in the 
>God breathed, or inspired, inherent, infallible word of God. There is a 
>verse in Revelation 20 or 21 that says cursed be anyone who adds to or 
>takes away words from my book. That is serious stuff. One area where they 
>differ is in Apostolic succession, the idea that priests are consecrated or 
>ordained, and that their gift is directly descended through the apostles to 
>Popes, and to both Catholic and Anglican priests. The church I now attend 
>does not take this view. As to Communion, the Anglican church believes that 
>it is both bread and wine, but also the body and blood of Christ. As to how 
>it could be both, that is an unexplainable mystery. Read John 6 in order to 
>hear Jesus Himself instruct his disciples to eat His flesh and drink His 
>blood.
>
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