From kk3f at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 15:44:51 2009
From: kk3f at msn.com (pat gormley)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
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andrew this is a fairly typical situation you are finding yourself in.  What 
kind of church is it because some churches have people who are assigned to 
greet new people.  Although my particular catholic church doesn't have a 
greeter per se, we do make an effort to welcome visitors and new people.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here


> Hi all
>
> It is Andrew.
> I have been appart of this group for a long time now.
>
> I just want to vent about something here.
>
> I been feeling that blind people are getting treated very unfairly and
> it is happening in our churches today.  It is just not christ like.
> I am  tired of having  false judgementsbeing put against me and other
> blind people.
> I been having a hard time fitting in sometimes. It is gods call as a
> christian that everybody to except each other even when they have a
> dis ability.
> If an unbeliever comes into a church and sees people not
> intweracting with somebody who has a dis ability the unbeliever will
> think that the church is no different than the world and just walk out
> the door and chances are they won't come back.
>
>
>
> I just have a hard time with these things churches are blind to what
> blind people can do and how a blind person can  be appart of things.
>
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From xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  2 20:02:10 2009
From: xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com (Fr. John Sheehan)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
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Two thoughts - 

One, you have to remember that some people are shy, they don't easily go up and greet strangers, even in church. And some are even more uncertain about how to greet someone who is blind - or has some other physical difficulty. 

The other thought - it is also easier if the newcomer himself or herself makes the effort to meet people. When the regular member sees the newcomer talking with someone they know, it's easier for them to come and join the conversation. Or for the newcomer to be introduced around. Sometimes as the new person, you have to start the ball rolling. I'm sure you've had it take place, that when someone meets you, they start talking VERY LOUDLY and you have to remind them that you're blind, not deaf. Sometimes people need to be gently taught and led along. 

Be patient and gentle and people will get to know you. If they don't know much about the blind, it becomes your call to show them. Remember, you may be the first blind person some of them will have met or talked with. 

 Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
Chairman


Xavier Society for the Blind
154 East 23rd St
New York, NY 10010
(212) 473-7800
Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.




________________________________
From: pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:44:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here

andrew this is a fairly typical situation you are finding yourself in.  What 
kind of church is it because some churches have people who are assigned to 
greet new people.  Although my particular catholic church doesn't have a 
greeter per se, we do make an effort to welcome visitors and new people.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here


> Hi all
>
> It is Andrew.
> I have been appart of this group for a long time now.
>
> I just want to vent about something here.
>
> I been feeling that blind people are getting treated very unfairly and
> it is happening in our churches today.  It is just not christ like.
> I am  tired of having  false judgementsbeing put against me and other
> blind people.
> I been having a hard time fitting in sometimes. It is gods call as a
> christian that everybody to except each other even when they have a
> dis ability.
> If an unbeliever comes into a church and sees people not
> intweracting with somebody who has a dis ability the unbeliever will
> think that the church is no different than the world and just walk out
> the door and chances are they won't come back.
>
>
>
> I just have a hard time with these things churches are blind to what
> blind people can do and how a blind person can  be appart of things.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug  2 22:26:22 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
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Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local priest 
in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to be 
a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer the 
holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child in 
his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion. 
While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to deal 
with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at: 
rjs59 at hot.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here


> Two thoughts -
>
> One, you have to remember that some people are shy, they don't easily go 
> up and greet strangers, even in church. And some are even more uncertain 
> about how to greet someone who is blind - or has some other physical 
> difficulty.
>
> The other thought - it is also easier if the newcomer himself or herself 
> makes the effort to meet people. When the regular member sees the newcomer 
> talking with someone they know, it's easier for them to come and join the 
> conversation. Or for the newcomer to be introduced around. Sometimes as 
> the new person, you have to start the ball rolling. I'm sure you've had it 
> take place, that when someone meets you, they start talking VERY LOUDLY 
> and you have to remind them that you're blind, not deaf. Sometimes people 
> need to be gently taught and led along.
>
> Be patient and gentle and people will get to know you. If they don't know 
> much about the blind, it becomes your call to show them. Remember, you may 
> be the first blind person some of them will have met or talked with.
>
> Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
> Chairman
>
>
> Xavier Society for the Blind
> 154 East 23rd St
> New York, NY 10010
> (212) 473-7800
> Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching 
> the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - 
> powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:44:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
> andrew this is a fairly typical situation you are finding yourself in. 
> What
> kind of church is it because some churches have people who are assigned to
> greet new people.  Although my particular catholic church doesn't have a
> greeter per se, we do make an effort to welcome visitors and new people.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
> To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:58 AM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> It is Andrew.
>> I have been appart of this group for a long time now.
>>
>> I just want to vent about something here.
>>
>> I been feeling that blind people are getting treated very unfairly and
>> it is happening in our churches today.  It is just not christ like.
>> I am  tired of having  false judgementsbeing put against me and other
>> blind people.
>> I been having a hard time fitting in sometimes. It is gods call as a
>> christian that everybody to except each other even when they have a
>> dis ability.
>> If an unbeliever comes into a church and sees people not
>> intweracting with somebody who has a dis ability the unbeliever will
>> think that the church is no different than the world and just walk out
>> the door and chances are they won't come back.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just have a hard time with these things churches are blind to what
>> blind people can do and how a blind person can  be appart of things.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
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>>
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 23:43:19 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
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I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
in order to get holy Communion.  People are always willing to lend me
a hand in that respect.  I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
can't nail down the contact info for that guy.  Fr. John, I'd like to
ask the same question that RJ asked.  How is it that you are able to
be a blind priest?  I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
 This is an interesting thread.
Beth

On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local priest
> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to be
> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer the
> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child in
> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to deal
> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
> rjs59 at hot.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
>
>> Two thoughts -
>>
>> One, you have to remember that some people are shy, they don't easily go
>> up and greet strangers, even in church. And some are even more uncertain
>> about how to greet someone who is blind - or has some other physical
>> difficulty.
>>
>> The other thought - it is also easier if the newcomer himself or herself
>> makes the effort to meet people. When the regular member sees the newcomer
>>
>> talking with someone they know, it's easier for them to come and join the
>> conversation. Or for the newcomer to be introduced around. Sometimes as
>> the new person, you have to start the ball rolling. I'm sure you've had it
>>
>> take place, that when someone meets you, they start talking VERY LOUDLY
>> and you have to remind them that you're blind, not deaf. Sometimes people
>> need to be gently taught and led along.
>>
>> Be patient and gentle and people will get to know you. If they don't know
>> much about the blind, it becomes your call to show them. Remember, you may
>>
>> be the first blind person some of them will have met or talked with.
>>
>> Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
>> Chairman
>>
>>
>> Xavier Society for the Blind
>> 154 East 23rd St
>> New York, NY 10010
>> (212) 473-7800
>> Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching
>>
>> the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
>> powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:44:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>>
>> andrew this is a fairly typical situation you are finding yourself in.
>> What
>> kind of church is it because some churches have people who are assigned to
>> greet new people.  Although my particular catholic church doesn't have a
>> greeter per se, we do make an effort to welcome visitors and new people.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
>> To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:58 AM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> It is Andrew.
>>> I have been appart of this group for a long time now.
>>>
>>> I just want to vent about something here.
>>>
>>> I been feeling that blind people are getting treated very unfairly and
>>> it is happening in our churches today.  It is just not christ like.
>>> I am  tired of having  false judgementsbeing put against me and other
>>> blind people.
>>> I been having a hard time fitting in sometimes. It is gods call as a
>>> christian that everybody to except each other even when they have a
>>> dis ability.
>>> If an unbeliever comes into a church and sees people not
>>> intweracting with somebody who has a dis ability the unbeliever will
>>> think that the church is no different than the world and just walk out
>>> the door and chances are they won't come back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just have a hard time with these things churches are blind to what
>>> blind people can do and how a blind person can  be appart of things.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>
>>
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From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug  3 00:56:01 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:56:01 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
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Beth, I'm shure if you could hook up with fother John, He probley knows of a 
convent for blind nones. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here


> I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
> in order to get holy Communion.  People are always willing to lend me
> a hand in that respect.  I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
> can't nail down the contact info for that guy.  Fr. John, I'd like to
> ask the same question that RJ asked.  How is it that you are able to
> be a blind priest?  I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
> so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
> This is an interesting thread.
> Beth
>
> On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local 
>> priest
>> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to 
>> be
>> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer 
>> the
>> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child 
>> in
>> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
>> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to 
>> deal
>> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
>> rjs59 at hot.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>>
>>
>>> Two thoughts -
>>>
>>> One, you have to remember that some people are shy, they don't easily go
>>> up and greet strangers, even in church. And some are even more uncertain
>>> about how to greet someone who is blind - or has some other physical
>>> difficulty.
>>>
>>> The other thought - it is also easier if the newcomer himself or herself
>>> makes the effort to meet people. When the regular member sees the 
>>> newcomer
>>>
>>> talking with someone they know, it's easier for them to come and join 
>>> the
>>> conversation. Or for the newcomer to be introduced around. Sometimes as
>>> the new person, you have to start the ball rolling. I'm sure you've had 
>>> it
>>>
>>> take place, that when someone meets you, they start talking VERY LOUDLY
>>> and you have to remind them that you're blind, not deaf. Sometimes 
>>> people
>>> need to be gently taught and led along.
>>>
>>> Be patient and gentle and people will get to know you. If they don't 
>>> know
>>> much about the blind, it becomes your call to show them. Remember, you 
>>> may
>>>
>>> be the first blind person some of them will have met or talked with.
>>>
>>> Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
>>> Chairman
>>>
>>>
>>> Xavier Society for the Blind
>>> 154 East 23rd St
>>> New York, NY 10010
>>> (212) 473-7800
>>> Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by 
>>> searching
>>>
>>> the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
>>> powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:44:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>>>
>>> andrew this is a fairly typical situation you are finding yourself in.
>>> What
>>> kind of church is it because some churches have people who are assigned 
>>> to
>>> greet new people.  Although my particular catholic church doesn't have a
>>> greeter per se, we do make an effort to welcome visitors and new people.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
>>> To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:58 AM
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> It is Andrew.
>>>> I have been appart of this group for a long time now.
>>>>
>>>> I just want to vent about something here.
>>>>
>>>> I been feeling that blind people are getting treated very unfairly and
>>>> it is happening in our churches today.  It is just not christ like.
>>>> I am  tired of having  false judgementsbeing put against me and other
>>>> blind people.
>>>> I been having a hard time fitting in sometimes. It is gods call as a
>>>> christian that everybody to except each other even when they have a
>>>> dis ability.
>>>> If an unbeliever comes into a church and sees people not
>>>> intweracting with somebody who has a dis ability the unbeliever will
>>>> think that the church is no different than the world and just walk out
>>>> the door and chances are they won't come back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just have a hard time with these things churches are blind to what
>>>> blind people can do and how a blind person can  be appart of things.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 02:40:22 2009
From: xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com (Fr. John Sheehan)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0908021643k6aebafet89ed831c9555f03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ddda981c0907020858q4474df4en5775e57792b55c1d@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4383d01d0908021643k6aebafet89ed831c9555f03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <699895.84290.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am not blind myself but I work with the blind and I know many priests who have lost their sight over the years and continue to function perfectly well as priests. Some have learned to read?Braille, some have enough sight to be able to use very large print, and some have simply memorized the Mass prayers. Communion? One offers the host and the one receiving communion takes it in the hand. Most Churches also have Extraordinary Ministers who can help - I know blind lay people who administer the cup with a sighted person cuing them when someone approaches. There is a blind priest who visits us who has written several books since losing his sight, travels the world alone, conducts retreats and workshops. 

As Marc Maurer keeps reminding us, blind people can do?pretty much anything - did you see the newsclip of the car being driven by a blind man? (As he walked up the vehicle he was calling out "Blind man driving! Blind man driving!" The key was not that the car could guide itself but the man - with cues from sensor systems built into the car - was driving it himself, through a fiarly sophisticated obstacle course.

Hope that helps. People often think a blind person can't do it - what they mean is they can't do it the way >>I<< do it, or the way it's always been done. That may be true, but often the blind person does it differently, but just as effectively. (I'm starting to sound like Marc!)?

?Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
Chairman 


Xavier Society for the Blind
154 East 23rd St
New York, NY 10010
(212) 473-7800
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________________________________
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:43:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here

I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
in order to get holy Communion.? People are always willing to lend me
a hand in that respect.? I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
can't nail down the contact info for that guy.? Fr. John, I'd like to
ask the same question that RJ asked.? How is it that you are able to
be a blind priest?? I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
This is an interesting thread.
Beth

On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local priest
> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to be
> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer the
> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child in
> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to deal
> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
> rjs59 at hot.com


      

From mentink at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug  3 02:48:43 2009
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:48:43 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Priests and Pastors
Message-ID: <20090803024833.F178D10F7AA@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Hi Beth,

That man's name is Todd Mlsna.  You might do a Google search and see 
if you can find him.  My friend who knew him is deceased, so I can't ask her.

There are many Federationists, and I'm sure nonFederationists, who 
are serving as heads of their communities of faith.  The rest of us 
just need to be involved as the Lord leads us.  Let your leaders know 
that you don't just want to be a spectator in the pews. and, anyone 
can have a prayer ministry!

Blessings,

Linda




From kk3f at msn.com  Mon Aug  3 02:52:34 2009
From: kk3f at msn.com (pat gormley)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:52:34 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
References: <ddda981c0907020858q4474df4en5775e57792b55c1d@mail.gmail.com><BLU0-SMTP221FFEF90C251C414BF222900E0@phx.gbl><289097.69577.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><C4B3679AD2344F5C8233973DD762FD6D@rjige047kjawst><4383d01d0908021643k6aebafet89ed831c9555f03@mail.gmail.com>
	<699895.84290.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP761F282F26576F52555524900F0@phx.gbl>

Father John I regularly minister the cup at St. Michaels in Frostburg and 
have been doing so for nearly 4 years.  I am trained to minister either 
species and have been a lector in several churches in both the Washington 
and Baltimore diocese for over 40 years.  73- pat kk3f
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here


I am not blind myself but I work with the blind and I know many priests who 
have lost their sight over the years and continue to function perfectly well 
as priests. Some have learned to read Braille, some have enough sight to be 
able to use very large print, and some have simply memorized the Mass 
prayers. Communion? One offers the host and the one receiving communion 
takes it in the hand. Most Churches also have Extraordinary Ministers who 
can help - I know blind lay people who administer the cup with a sighted 
person cuing them when someone approaches. There is a blind priest who 
visits us who has written several books since losing his sight, travels the 
world alone, conducts retreats and workshops.

As Marc Maurer keeps reminding us, blind people can do pretty much 
anything - did you see the newsclip of the car being driven by a blind man? 
(As he walked up the vehicle he was calling out "Blind man driving! Blind 
man driving!" The key was not that the car could guide itself but the man - 
with cues from sensor systems built into the car - was driving it himself, 
through a fiarly sophisticated obstacle course.

Hope that helps. People often think a blind person can't do it - what they 
mean is they can't do it the way >>I<< do it, or the way it's always been 
done. That may be true, but often the blind person does it differently, but 
just as effectively. (I'm starting to sound like Marc!)

Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
Chairman


Xavier Society for the Blind
154 East 23rd St
New York, NY 10010
(212) 473-7800
Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching 
the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - 
powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.




________________________________
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:43:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here

I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
in order to get holy Communion. People are always willing to lend me
a hand in that respect. I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
can't nail down the contact info for that guy. Fr. John, I'd like to
ask the same question that RJ asked. How is it that you are able to
be a blind priest? I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
This is an interesting thread.
Beth

On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local 
> priest
> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to 
> be
> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer 
> the
> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child 
> in
> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to 
> deal
> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
> rjs59 at hot.com



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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 11:46:40 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:46:40 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP761F282F26576F52555524900F0@phx.gbl>
References: <ddda981c0907020858q4474df4en5775e57792b55c1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP221FFEF90C251C414BF222900E0@phx.gbl>
	<289097.69577.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C4B3679AD2344F5C8233973DD762FD6D@rjige047kjawst>
	<4383d01d0908021643k6aebafet89ed831c9555f03@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4383d01d0908030446p3162e377lc93526d87b96d1dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmm.  Thanks for all the info, Fr. John.  It reminds me that yes, I
coulddo things for the church.  But nun life isn't my thing just so
you know.
Beth

On 8/2/09, pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com> wrote:
> Father John I regularly minister the cup at St. Michaels in Frostburg and
> have been doing so for nearly 4 years.  I am trained to minister either
> species and have been a lector in several churches in both the Washington
> and Baltimore diocese for over 40 years.  73- pat kk3f
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
>
> I am not blind myself but I work with the blind and I know many priests who
> have lost their sight over the years and continue to function perfectly well
> as priests. Some have learned to read Braille, some have enough sight to be
> able to use very large print, and some have simply memorized the Mass
> prayers. Communion? One offers the host and the one receiving communion
> takes it in the hand. Most Churches also have Extraordinary Ministers who
> can help - I know blind lay people who administer the cup with a sighted
> person cuing them when someone approaches. There is a blind priest who
> visits us who has written several books since losing his sight, travels the
> world alone, conducts retreats and workshops.
>
> As Marc Maurer keeps reminding us, blind people can do pretty much
> anything - did you see the newsclip of the car being driven by a blind man?
> (As he walked up the vehicle he was calling out "Blind man driving! Blind
> man driving!" The key was not that the car could guide itself but the man -
> with cues from sensor systems built into the car - was driving it himself,
> through a fiarly sophisticated obstacle course.
>
> Hope that helps. People often think a blind person can't do it - what they
> mean is they can't do it the way >>I<< do it, or the way it's always been
> done. That may be true, but often the blind person does it differently, but
> just as effectively. (I'm starting to sound like Marc!)
>
> Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
> Chairman
>
>
> Xavier Society for the Blind
> 154 East 23rd St
> New York, NY 10010
> (212) 473-7800
> Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching
> the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:43:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
> I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
> in order to get holy Communion. People are always willing to lend me
> a hand in that respect. I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
> can't nail down the contact info for that guy. Fr. John, I'd like to
> ask the same question that RJ asked. How is it that you are able to
> be a blind priest? I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
> so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
> This is an interesting thread.
> Beth
>
> On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local
>> priest
>> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to
>> be
>> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer
>> the
>> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child
>> in
>> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
>> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to
>> deal
>> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
>> rjs59 at hot.com
>
>
>
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From xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  4 09:16:13 2009
From: xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com (Fr. John Sheehan)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0908030446p3162e377lc93526d87b96d1dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ddda981c0907020858q4474df4en5775e57792b55c1d@mail.gmail.com>
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	<289097.69577.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C4B3679AD2344F5C8233973DD762FD6D@rjige047kjawst>
	<4383d01d0908021643k6aebafet89ed831c9555f03@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4383d01d0908030446p3162e377lc93526d87b96d1dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493647.84149.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey, I'm not sure the "nun life" would be MY thing.  Some people start with what they feel their church needs and they try to help in that area. Other people start with what special gifts or skills or interests they have themselves, and then they find the needs those special areas can address. And there always is. 

 Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
Chairman


Xavier Society for the Blind
154 East 23rd St
New York, NY 10010
(212) 473-7800
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________________________________
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 7:46:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here

Hmmmm.  Thanks for all the info, Fr. John.  It reminds me that yes, I
coulddo things for the church.  But nun life isn't my thing just so
you know.
Beth

On 8/2/09, pat gormley <kk3f at msn.com> wrote:
> Father John I regularly minister the cup at St. Michaels in Frostburg and
> have been doing so for nearly 4 years.  I am trained to minister either
> species and have been a lector in several churches in both the Washington
> and Baltimore diocese for over 40 years.  73- pat kk3f
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fr. John Sheehan" <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
>
> I am not blind myself but I work with the blind and I know many priests who
> have lost their sight over the years and continue to function perfectly well
> as priests. Some have learned to read Braille, some have enough sight to be
> able to use very large print, and some have simply memorized the Mass
> prayers. Communion? One offers the host and the one receiving communion
> takes it in the hand. Most Churches also have Extraordinary Ministers who
> can help - I know blind lay people who administer the cup with a sighted
> person cuing them when someone approaches. There is a blind priest who
> visits us who has written several books since losing his sight, travels the
> world alone, conducts retreats and workshops.
>
> As Marc Maurer keeps reminding us, blind people can do pretty much
> anything - did you see the newsclip of the car being driven by a blind man?
> (As he walked up the vehicle he was calling out "Blind man driving! Blind
> man driving!" The key was not that the car could guide itself but the man -
> with cues from sensor systems built into the car - was driving it himself,
> through a fiarly sophisticated obstacle course.
>
> Hope that helps. People often think a blind person can't do it - what they
> mean is they can't do it the way >>I<< do it, or the way it's always been
> done. That may be true, but often the blind person does it differently, but
> just as effectively. (I'm starting to sound like Marc!)
>
> Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
> Chairman
>
>
> Xavier Society for the Blind
> 154 East 23rd St
> New York, NY 10010
> (212) 473-7800
> Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching
> the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com -
> powered by Yahoo! Free for you - and money for us! Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:43:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] just venting about something here
>
> I'm blind and Catholic, and I usually rely on the someone else going
> in order to get holy Communion. People are always willing to lend me
> a hand in that respect. I know Linda knew a blind priest, but she
> can't nail down the contact info for that guy. Fr. John, I'd like to
> ask the same question that RJ asked. How is it that you are able to
> be a blind priest? I as a woman can't be concecrated in that manner,
> so nunhood is the only option if I were to be so holy as to be called.
> This is an interesting thread.
> Beth
>
> On 8/2/09, rjs059 at peoplepc.com <rjs059 at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Fother John, How is it your able to be a blind priest? I have a local
>> priest
>> in my comunity, who told me it would be impossible for a blind person to
>> be
>> a roman catholic, because he must be able to see in order to administer
>> the
>> holy comunion. I believe this priest is mis-guided. He had a blind child
>> in
>> his parrish, and he didn't know how he'd get him ready for holy comunion.
>> While I myself am not catholic, I'd like to know how I might be able to
>> deal
>> with this type of situation in the future. Please contact me at:
>> rjs59 at hot.com
>
>
>
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From PMaurer at nfb.org  Thu Aug  6 15:58:58 2009
From: PMaurer at nfb.org (Maurer, Patricia)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] How many children in America are not taught to read?
Message-ID: <auto-000113299196@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----------
From: Marc Maurer [mailto:outreach at nfb.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Maurer, Patricia
Subject: How many children in America are not taught to read?

The answer is 90 percent if the children are blind.  Most Americans 
are shocked to hear this statistic.  And we should be.  The blind 
read and write using Braille, so why is our educational system 
failing to teach Braille to so many children?  Why are these children 
being denied the opportunities that come with a proper 
education?  What if you could not read and write?  Where would you be today?

There are three primary reasons for this educational crisis: (1) 
there are not enough Braille teachers; (2) some teachers of blind 
children have not received enough training; and (3) many educators do 
not think Braille instruction is even necessary.

To bring critically-needed attention to this educational crisis, the 
United States Congress authorized the minting of the 2009 Louis 
Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar with a portion of the sale of each 
coin going toward a revolutionary and comprehensive Braille literacy 
campaign.

Learning to read and write is fundamental to education, which in turn 
is paramount to full and equal participation in American 
society.  This coin, the first U.S. coin to have proper tactile 
Braille, symbolizes independence, opportunity, and the potential of 
blind people to make significant contributions to society when they 
are taught to read and write using Braille.  To learn more, read our 
report 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=yeymcYhMheQ-y7-mcNDRWg..>The 
Braille Literacy Crisis in America, or watch our video 
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Change with a Dollar.

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purchase this unique and beautiful coin now and help solve this 
educational crisis for blind children in America.

The law authorizing this 2009 silver dollar requires that any coins 
not sold by midnight on December 31, 2009, be melted down.  Time is 
of the essence--a 90 percent illiteracy rate is not acceptable and 
the opportunity to purchase this coin will soon be gone.

Be part of the solution.  Give the gift of literacy.  Create new 
opportunities. 
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the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar today.

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From trising at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 22:39:32 2009
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] Lutheran Service Book
Message-ID: <B7B70A54FCF24D0890EFFCE7F44C03E8@user6389c7a3c9>

Does anyone know where I can obtain the Lutheran Service Book in Braille or 
in an electronic version for a Pac Mate. I am joining a Missouri Synod 
Church and I am also joining the choir. I would love to have access to the 
hymnal. 




From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Sun Aug  9 02:24:26 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Lutheran Service Book
In-Reply-To: <B7B70A54FCF24D0890EFFCE7F44C03E8@user6389c7a3c9>
References: <B7B70A54FCF24D0890EFFCE7F44C03E8@user6389c7a3c9>
Message-ID: <20090809022426.7777110FA3D@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

I just saw a thing about their service book. I am not sure it's Missouri Synod.
Let me see if I can find an old link for it.
Best,
Penny.
At 05:39 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can obtain the Lutheran Service Book in 
>Braille or in an electronic version for a Pac Mate. I am joining a 
>Missouri Synod Church and I am also joining the choir. I would love 
>to have access to the hymnal.
>
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From trising at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  9 02:30:30 2009
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] Lutheran Service Book
References: <B7B70A54FCF24D0890EFFCE7F44C03E8@user6389c7a3c9>
	<20090809022426.7777110FA3D@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <3D7F4765BD5A4698AA2967B9D49C5687@user6389c7a3c9>

Thanks!



From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Sun Aug  9 02:31:29 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Service book
Message-ID: <20090809023130.4E5A210FA0C@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

	I don't have it on my system just now; but if no one comes up with 
it, I wrote the lady that sent the info to me.
You request it from the gentleman is all I know.  He'll tell you if 
they permit electronic or if it is hard-copy braille.
Blessings,
Penny




From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Sun Aug  9 23:42:20 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:42:20 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Service Book
Message-ID: <20090809234220.4916A10222@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


>
>Here's the information you wanted.  The Lutheran Service Book was 
>published in 2006 by CONCORDIA PUBLISHING HOUSE
>                      3558 S. Jefferson Ave.
>                      St. Louis, MO 63118-3968
>                      Phone: 1-800-325-3040
>                      www.cph.org
>
>It comes in different editions:  The Pew Edition (which I have) in 
>different covers; Organ Editions for hymn accompaniments and one for 
>liturgy.  I'm not sure about the cost, as I got mine pre-publication 
>for $15.00.
>
>Large print and braille editions are available at no cost from 
>Lutheran Blind Mission, Phone 1-888-215-2455, www.blindmission.org.


There it is from my friend in St. Louis.
Blessings,
Penny







From eric at pmpmail.com  Mon Aug 10 08:58:56 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [TheLadyPeachMinistries] Jesus Understands
Message-ID: <20090810090057.861FA2B2889@node-wls1.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: Saji Abraham Chandy <sajixs at yahoo.com>
To: Biju <biju_c_2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TheLadyPeachMinistries] Jesus Understands
Date: 
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:17:28 -0700 (PDT)



 
 Jesus Understands What You Are Going Through   
  
Hebrews 4:15 
>15For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our
weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.  
Do you sometimes wonder if God really knows what it is like to be poor,
rejected by people or sick with aches and pains. Perhaps you are asking,
"Does God really understand what I am going through?" 
 
My friend, Jesus was no stranger to emotional or physical pains, poverty
or hardships. He was born into a poor family. He had a smelly manger for
His birthplace. (Luke 2:7) From an early age, as a carpenter, He knew all
about working hard with His hands, standing on His feet all day long and
returning home with aches in His body. 
 
The religious leaders of His day made life difficult for Him. They
challenged His authority (Matthew 21:23) and tested His teachings. (Matthew
19:3) They also called Him a glutton, winebibber, friend of tax collectors
and sinners (Matthew 11:19), and blasphemer. (Mark 2:7) 
 
They said that He was demon-possessed and mad (John 10:20), put Him on
the spot when they brought an adulterous woman to Him (John 8:2-11),
attempted to stone Him (John 8:59, 10:31-39) and accused Him of perverting
the nation. (Luke 23:2) 
 
Have you been chased out of your home because of your Christian beliefs?
Jesus understands what you are going through. He was chased out of His own
hometown. (Luke 4:29) Have you been rejected by someone you love? Jesus
also experienced the pain of being denied by a loved one (Luke 22:54-62)
and betrayed by one considered close to Him. (Luke 22:47-48) He also knows
all about the sickness you are suffering because He bore your sicknesses
and pains on the cross. (Isaiah 53:4) 
 
Jesus certainly understands all that we are going through because being
born fully Man, He was "in all points tempted as we are". He endured His
sufferings for our sakes, so that we can have His peace and the anointing
to rise above the troubles we are facing! 
  
 
(c) Copyright Joseph Prince, 2006. All rights reserved.  
All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the
New King James Version (r).
Copyright (c) 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.  


      

From mentink at frontiernet.net  Mon Aug 10 16:42:03 2009
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Web Sites and Hymnals
Message-ID: <20090810164205.3EC1E18E2C7@relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Hi all,

Lisa Hall sent this to me awhile ago.  I haven't checked anything out, though.

Blessings,

Linda


www.hymnary.org.
Look under hymnals and you will find several hymnals listed there. It is in
html format and is web-based. It is available for sale through the CCEL
store located at http://www.ccel.org/store/store.html?show=hymnal.
Also check out http://NetHymnal.org.
Heavenly Midi songbooks
http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis/index.html
The Cyber Hymnal T
http://www.hymntime.com/tch/index.htm
hymnal.net Christian Hymns & Spiritual Songs
http://www.hymnal.net/home.php
HymnSite.com--Christian Online Music
http://www.hymnsite.com/
To inspire you as to how much is available, here is a sampling of the
listings available through the hymnary.org site.
Take care.


Baptist Hymnal 1956 554 Southern Baptist 1956
Baptist Hymnal 1991 625 Southern Baptist 1991
Baptist Hymnal 2008 674 Southern Baptist 2008
Blue Psalter Hymnal 493 Christian Reformed Church 1976
Celebration Hymnal 692 non-denominational 1997
Chorale Book for England, The 206 Anglican 1863
Christian Classics Ethereal Hymnary 1398  2007
Come Away with Me 16 Single author collection 1998
Divine and Moral Songs 46 Congregationalist 1866
Evangelical Lutheran Hymnary 602 Evangelical Lutheran Synod 1996
Faith We Sing, The 289
Gather Comprehensive 897 Roman Catholic 1988
Gather Comprehensive 2 885 Roman Catholic 2004
Hymnal 1982, The 1008 Episcopal 1982
Hymnal of the Church of God 513 Church of God 1971
Hymnal [of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the USA], The 552 Episcopal
1920
Hymnal, The 961 Presbyterian 1921
Hymns and Meditations 32  1873
Hymns from the East 51  2009
Hymns of Prudentius translated by R. Martin Pope, The 24  1905
Hymns of Ter Steegen and Others (Second Series) 25  2009
Hymns of the Early Church 99  1913
Hymns of the Eastern Church 58 Greek Orthodox/Anglican 1866
Hymns of the Greek Church 47  1900
Hymns of the Holy Eastern Church 45  1902
Hymns of the Russian Church 128  1920
If I Could Visit Bethlehem 55 n/a 2000
Lyra Germanica: The Christian Year 105  1861
Passion-Hymns of Iceland, The 32  1913
Pilgrim Hymnal 491 Congregational Christian Church 1958
Presbyterian Hymnal 605 Presbyterian 1990
Psalms and Hymns of Isaac Watts, The 721  1806
Psalter Hymnal 642 Christian Reformed Church 1982
Rejoice in the Lord 624 Reformed Church in America 1985
Renew! 308  1995
Revival Hymns and Choruses 580
Sacred Poems and Hymns 360 Moravian 1854
Scottish Psalter and Paraphrases 263 Presbyterian 1650
Scripture Song Database 3023  2008
Sing Justice! Do Justice! 25 n/a 1998
Sing the Faith 288
Sing With Me 249 Christian Reformed Church 2006
Sing! A New Creation 296 Christian Reformed Church 2002
Singing the New Testament 260 Christian Reformed Church 2008
Song Lingers On, The 21 n/a 2003
Songs and Hymns of the Earliest Greek Christian Poets 25  1876
Songs for Life 252 Christian Reformed Church 1995
Southern Harmony, The 335 Baptist 1835
Taste of Heaven's Joys, A 16 n/a 2005
Time Now to Gather 16 n/a 1999
Timeless Truths 1132
Translations from the French of Madame de la Mothe Guion 37  1800
Trinity Hymnal 742 Presbyterian (PCA/OPC) 1990
United Methodist Hymnal, The 978 United Methodist 1989
With One Voice 207 Lutheran 2000
Worshiping Church, The 852 Non-denominational 1990






From newmanrl at cox.net  Sun Aug 23 23:14:33 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] The NFB Where The Blind Work Needs Faith Talk Job
	Descriptions
Message-ID: <auto-000113411392@mailfront1.g2host.com>


The NFB Where The Blind Work Needs Faith Talk Job Descriptions

We need descriptions of jobs that are found within the field of 
ministering to the faithful (minister, assistant minister/pastor, 
priest, etc.) and how you do them. Your description will be added to 
the NFB's "Where The Blind work," a new and ever growing resource of 
career descriptions and how the blind compete within them. This is a 
great resource to assist youth to plan for future employment and for 
the adult who is looking to change jobs and/or careers.

Your description must follow the below five question format:
When completed please email them to me at 
<mailto:newmanrl at cox.net>newmanrl at cox.net

  (A * indicates a required field):

1. * Name, * Industry in which you work, * Job title, Address 1, 
Address 2, City, State, Zip Code, Phone number, E-mail,

* 2. Please explain to us what any worker would do on this job 
(specialized blindness alternatives will appear below).

* 3. Please tell us the cause of your blindness. Then, let us know 
about the alternative methods and/or techniques you use to perform your job.

* 4. Please let us know of any required special training, education, 
certificates, experience, etc. needed for this job.

* 5. Please tell us about anyone or anything that aided you to be successful.

(A joint project between the Jernigan Institute and the NFB Writers' 
Division; for all people)

Visit  the "Where The Blind Work" at-

<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Blind_Work.asp?SnID=28992349>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Blind_Work.asp?SnID=28992349 



President NFB Writers' Division
Robert Leslie Newman
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
Division Website-
<Http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>Http://www.nfb-writers-division.org


From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Aug 26 15:15:21 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:15:21 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [ChristianChit-Chat] Praying In A Crisis
Message-ID: <20090826151727.891232AF919@node77.smtp.com>

Wow!  This is powerful, saints!


Original Message: 
From: "Tina Krause" <TinasCollections at comcast.net>
To: "Christian Chit Chat" <ChristianChit-Chat at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ChristianChit-Chat] Praying In A Crisis
Date: 
Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:34:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

Numbers 21:6-8 

When was the last time you got on your knees and cried out to God about
something other than personal issues? We?re often so involved in our own
busy lives that we fail to see the crises others are facing. I?m talking
about situations that don?t affect our immediate family at all, rather
than,
say, the deployment of a soldier we know or a terrorist attack on our
land.
But whether circumstances touch total strangers or hit ?close to home,?
doesn?t it often feel as if such matters are just too big for one person?s
prayer to make a difference? 

 

This is a lie straight from Satan. He wants us to assume that cataclysmic
or
tragic problems are too vast for our petition to have any effect.
Scripture
disagrees: James 5:16 assures us that ?the effective prayer of a
righteous
man can accomplish much.? And verse 17 provides a powerful example:
?Elijah
was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would
not
rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months.? 

 

Almighty God is able to heal, bring peace, and change circumstances. And
He
has chosen to let His children participate in the process through prayer.
He
instructs us to talk with Him about everything (Phil. 4:6) and promises
to
hear when sin does not obstruct our communication (Ps. 66:18). 

 

The next time you hear of a tragedy or problem?regardless of whether it
affects people you know or perfect strangers?resist the temptation to
distance yourself from it. You can have an impact on the lives of others
when you intercede on their behalf. So let news of a crisis become a
catalyst for prayer

From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:43:10 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:43:10 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [TheLadyPeachMinistries] Good Morning Everyone
Message-ID: <20090826164516.DBAAA2B0090@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: Miss Peaches <peaches4god at hotmail.com>
To: "brandonbraceyministries at yahoogroups.com"
<brandonbraceyministries at yahoogroups.com>,
<cyberville-angels at yahoogroups.com>, Donna and Judy
<cloudninejottings-prayers-poetry at yahoogroups.com>,
<godsprayerpartners at yahoogroups.com>, <sharingyourburdens at yahoogroups.com>,
<theladypeachministries at yahoogroups.com>,
<urctcprayergroup2 at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [TheLadyPeachMinistries] Good Morning Everyone
Date: 
Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:51:39 -0600




Sometimes we come across a situation
and being the humans we are, we want
to controll  it ourselves. Yes, it difficult,
oh so difficult. However, we must
remember to let it go and give it
to God.
Amen
Miss Peaches 
 
 
 
 
 


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From eric at pmpmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:46:31 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Wednesday August 26th
Message-ID: <20090826164837.7D7612AFD84@node77.smtp.com>

I'm going to send one more.  Take care, listers.


Original Message: 
From: "christine_792005" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Wednesday August 26th
Date: 
Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:19:06 -0000

What would you regret not doing, if you could look back on today from ten
years in the future? Now is your chance to avoid that stinging regret. What
would you consider important about today, looking back? What opportunities
would be evident then, that might be going unappreciated today? A life of
value and meaning is something you build over time, not a jackpot that you
win through luck or cunning. Today is an opportunity to build that life you
want, an opportunity that will not come again. Though it is impossible to
know what the future will bring, one thing is certain.



From marywurtzel at comcast.net  Wed Aug 26 23:53:33 2009
From: marywurtzel at comcast.net (mary wurtzel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Faith-talk] find a concordance
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1593447326.15261.faith-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Dear friends,
This is a change of topic.  I am wanting to find some kind of a 
concordance either in braille or electronically etc.  Can anyone 
help?
Blessings to all.
Mary Wurtzel



From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 04:49:48 2009
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] find a concordance
In-Reply-To: <4a95cf48.0302be0a.2ce1.ffffe67dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4a95cf48.0302be0a.2ce1.ffffe67dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1ff3a0e10908262149i1f5b567bu3419fd723b0f95db@mail.gmail.com>

The search function on the Bible gateway works much like a
concordance. It also gives you topical index results from gospel.com.
The address is:
www.biblegateway.com

Hope this helps.

Greg

On 8/26/09, mary wurtzel <marywurtzel at comcast.net> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> This is a change of topic.  I am wanting to find some kind of a
> concordance either in braille or electronically etc.  Can anyone
> help?
> Blessings to all.
> Mary Wurtzel
>
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From PWeingartner at ag.org  Thu Aug 27 12:54:11 2009
From: PWeingartner at ag.org (Weingartner, Paul)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] find a concordance
In-Reply-To: <200908262240.n7QMeQUT002938@mailsf6.ag.org>
References: <200908262240.n7QMeQUT002938@mailsf6.ag.org>
	<F8F34A223E94C040A22A28E059EB6BDA36A6D5@EVS2.gcag.net>
Message-ID: <EMEW3|bb53c8a4f495e72aec5281c2a136b9adl7Q7sB0cPWeingartner|ag.org|F8F34A223E94C040A22A28E059EB6BDA36A6D5@EVS2.gcag.net>

 
Braille Bibles international carries a Braille concordance and Bible
dictionary.
http://www.braillebibles.org/

Paul Weingartner
National Representative for the Blind
Director of
Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
P 417.831.1964   F 417.862.5120
www.blind.ag.org
www.blindonline.ag.org
 Making the Cross Accessible

-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mary wurtzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:54 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: [Faith-talk] find a concordance

Dear friends,
This is a change of topic.  I am wanting to find some kind of a
concordance either in braille or electronically etc.  Can anyone help?
Blessings to all.
Mary Wurtzel

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From optasiaministry at juno.com  Thu Aug 27 17:41:10 2009
From: optasiaministry at juno.com (Thomas j Vos)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Re. Find a concordance
Message-ID: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>

Optasia Ministry has the NIV Study Bible Concordance.
We have put each letter of the alphabet in a separate file, so you can
open the appropriate letter file and do a word search for the word you
are looking for.
We also have the Index to Subjects from the NIV Study Bible,
and the rest of the NIV Study Bible as well, although we are still
editting some parts of it.
Note also that Optasia Ministry has a large library of Bible study
materials from commentaries to devotional reading, and a unique set of
Bibles.
Visit us at
www.optasiaministry.org
All our material is free.
Blessingns,
Tom
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From poetlori8 at msn.com  Thu Aug 27 19:07:41 2009
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Re. Find a concordance
In-Reply-To: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
References: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS9ACA75AA61746EEA5AE00EBF60@phx.gbl>

So how well would a NIV concordance work with another version?  Frankly, I 
have a hard time understanding NIV.  I'm a RSV, NAS or King James person. 
For years I've been wishing for a concordance.
Barbara

If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of whom 
you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Thomas j Vos" <optasiaministry at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:41 PM
To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Faith-talk] Re. Find a concordance

> Optasia Ministry has the NIV Study Bible Concordance.
> We have put each letter of the alphabet in a separate file, so you can
> open the appropriate letter file and do a word search for the word you
> are looking for.
> We also have the Index to Subjects from the NIV Study Bible,
> and the rest of the NIV Study Bible as well, although we are still
> editting some parts of it.
> Note also that Optasia Ministry has a large library of Bible study
> materials from commentaries to devotional reading, and a unique set of
> Bibles.
> Visit us at
> www.optasiaministry.org
> All our material is free.
> Blessingns,
> Tom
> ____________________________________________________________
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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Thu Aug 27 22:22:04 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
In-Reply-To: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
References: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

I love the optasia books and Bibles.  But one that I would like to 
use, why, I just can't.  it is in one file, if I am not 
mistaken.  It's the one I most want to use: the  Amplified, published 
by the Lockman Foundation.
Tom, if I have your ear for a moment.  Could some of these huge 
Bibles be split somehow.  Perhaps the OT into 3 and the NT left as 
one, so that there is some hope of loading and using them in a 
refreshable note-taker?

I have no complaints with Optasia; this is simply a request.





From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 00:03:49 2009
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (qubit)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Wednesday August
	26th
References: <20090826164837.7D7612AFD84@node77.smtp.com>
Message-ID: <927E6176089547538EA1C4BCC1677847@bassclef>

I like this one. Thanks.
--le

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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Wednesday August 26th


I'm going to send one more.  Take care, listers.


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Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Wednesday August 26th
Date:
Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:19:06 -0000

What would you regret not doing, if you could look back on today from ten
years in the future? Now is your chance to avoid that stinging regret. What
would you consider important about today, looking back? What opportunities
would be evident then, that might be going unappreciated today? A life of
value and meaning is something you build over time, not a jackpot that you
win through luck or cunning. Today is an opportunity to build that life you
want, an opportunity that will not come again. Though it is impossible to
know what the future will bring, one thing is certain.





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From poetlori8 at msn.com  Fri Aug 28 14:13:24 2009
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
In-Reply-To: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
	<20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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Couldn't you put the file on your PC and break it up yourself before you put 
it on the notetaker?  I know I did that with one of the versions I have.
Barbara

If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of whom 
you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:22 PM
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia

> I love the optasia books and Bibles.  But one that I would like to use, 
> why, I just can't.  it is in one file, if I am not mistaken.  It's the one 
> I most want to use: the  Amplified, published by the Lockman Foundation.
> Tom, if I have your ear for a moment.  Could some of these huge Bibles be 
> split somehow.  Perhaps the OT into 3 and the NT left as one, so that 
> there is some hope of loading and using them in a refreshable note-taker?
>
> I have no complaints with Optasia; this is simply a request.
>
>
>
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Fri Aug 28 16:51:38 2009
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:51:38 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] How to Conduct Yourself During Preaching
Message-ID: <20090828165155.328AA10228@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>


Hi all,

I just read this, and think it worth passing on. 
May you be blessed and encouraged.

Blessings,

Linda


[]

Fundamental Baptist Information Service
August 27, 2009
HOW TO CONDUCT YOURSELF DURING PREACHING

Updated August 27, 2009 (first published June 26, 
2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist 
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?But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how 
thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of 
God, which is the church of the living God, the 
pillar and ground of the truth? (1 Timothy 3:15).

1. SIT RESPECTFULLY AND ALERTLY

Examples of what not to do: leaning on your 
elbows with your head down and chewing gum. Such 
things send signals that you are not interested 
in what the preacher is saying. Remember that 
others are watching you. Your attitude and very 
bodily posture affects the preacher, those 
sitting around you, and the entire atmosphere of the service

2. DON?T DISTRACT OTHERS

Examples of things that distract others are 
talking and writing notes back and forth between 
persons, making noise (i.e., cracking your 
fingers), playing with babies, and children 
looking at the people behind them. Parents need 
to be aware of what their children are doing and 
make certain that they are not distracting someone.

Another example is leaving the service to go to 
the restroom. Parents should make sure that their 
children don?t develop this distracting habit. It 
is extremely dishonoring to the Word of God that 
is being preached. There is plenty of time to go 
to the bathroom before and after the services. Of 
course, if an individual has a medical or health 
problem that requires him or her to leave the 
service, that is a different matter altogether. 
Such a person can sit in the back and slip out quietly.

3. LISTEN WELL

LISTEN WITH COMPASSION TOWARD THE PREACHER. God 
uses all kinds of men and not all are powerful, 
fascinating speakers. It appears that Paul wasn?t 
(2 Cor. 10:10). Jonathan Edwards preached one of 
the most famous of sermons, ?Sinners in the Hands 
of an Angry God,? but Edwards was not a great 
speaker. In fact, he simply read the sermon. The 
preacher who was instrumental in the conversion 
of Charles Spurgeon was not a mighty speaker. 
Spurgeon described him as a very simple, 
uninteresting speaker, yet how greatly God used 
him! Remember that God can use weak men. An 
example is Solomon. He had tremendous problems, 
but God used him to write three important books 
of the Bible, including the book of Proverbs, 
which is the book of wisdom. Our eyes must be 
upon God and not upon the preacher. Listen to the 
preacher as you would want people to listen to you. Avoid a critical attitude.

LISTEN PRAYERFULLY. Nothing significant is 
accomplished apart from prayer (Rom. 12:12; Eph. 
6:18; Col. 4:2; 1 Thess. 5:17). Pray for 
yourself. Pray for the preacher. Pray for others who are in attendance.

LISTEN ATTENTIVELY. Listen as if Jesus Christ 
were speaking. 1 Peter 4:11 says the speaker is 
to be the very oracle of God, meaning His 
mouthpiece. If you listen carefully and seek 
something from the Lord, you can be edified even 
from a seemingly boring message. Don?t let your 
mind wander to other things. Don?t do something 
else when you should be listening to the 
preaching. I have seen people read novels in 
church! More often they read the hymnal or pass 
notes or other such things. You won?t get 
anything from the preaching if you don?t listen attentively.

LISTEN WITH AN OPEN, SUBMISSIVE HEART. God?s 
invitation is extended throughout the message and 
not merely at the end. Let God speak to you, 
reprove, rebuke, and exhort you. Don?t think that 
the preaching is for someone else. Don?t make 
excuses for your sins and faults.

LISTEN WITH FAITH (Heb. 4:1-2). The Word of God 
is ineffective unless it is ?mixed with faith.? 
Some listen to preaching as a form of 
entertainment. They enjoy it but they don?t 
believe it enough to change how they live. This 
was how the Jews were listening to the prophet 
Ezekiel: ?And they come unto thee as the people 
cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, 
and they hear thy words, but they will not do 
them: for with their mouth they shew much love, 
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. 
And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song 
of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play 
well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, 
but they do them not? (Ezek. 33:31-32).

LISTEN DISCERNINGLY. The Bible warns that we must 
not put our trust in man (Jer. 17:5). We must 
carefully test all preaching by the Word of God 
(Acts 17:11; 1 Cor. 14:29; 1 Thess. 5:21).

LISTEN STUDIOUSLY (2 Tim. 2:15). Have paper and 
pen ready so that you can capture something from 
the message. Write things in your Bible 
(important things, such as cross references, 
definitions, important thoughts). By the way, you 
should have your own Bible rather than merely 
looking on with someone else. Take notes of the 
important points. Write down things to study 
later, things to check later, and things to share 
with others. This will help you remember what is preached.

4. TREAT THE INVITATION SERIOUSLY

Respond to the invitation as Lord leads, and pray 
for others. Be careful not to distract others 
during the invitation. Be conscious of their needs.


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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Fri Aug 28 17:24:22 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS29C3CFF7293BDED8C3626EBF50@phx.gbl>
References: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
	<20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<BAY113-DS29C3CFF7293BDED8C3626EBF50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090828172423.97AE010F7DD@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

I don't know how to do it.  I could if I knew what I was doing.
Best, Penny.
At 09:13 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>Couldn't you put the file on your PC and break it up yourself before 
>you put it on the notetaker?  I know I did that with one of the 
>versions I have.
>Barbara
>
>If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of 
>whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:22 PM
>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
>
>>I love the optasia books and Bibles.  But one that I would like to 
>>use, why, I just can't.  it is in one file, if I am not 
>>mistaken.  It's the one I most want to use: the  Amplified, 
>>published by the Lockman Foundation.
>>Tom, if I have your ear for a moment.  Could some of these huge 
>>Bibles be split somehow.  Perhaps the OT into 3 and the NT left as 
>>one, so that there is some hope of loading and using them in a 
>>refreshable note-taker?
>>
>>I have no complaints with Optasia; this is simply a request.
>>
>>
>>
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From optasiaministry at juno.com  Fri Aug 28 18:22:05 2009
From: optasiaministry at juno.com (Thomas j Vos)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Optasia and Concordance questions
Message-ID: <20090828.132205.3420.0.optasiaministry@juno.com>

Regarding the concordance and other versions.
The NIV Study Bible Concordance has been designed with some references in
it specifically tuned to the KJV.  I havin't made the comparison, but the
editors tried to make a concordance that would be helpful for KJV users
as well.

Here's an option.  We'll send you the King James Version in the Optasia
Format.  It will run in Internet Explorer and you can use the find
feature of your screen reader to search for words or phrases.
This does not allow for wild card searches.

Penny,
Splitting up the Amplified Bible is a project on my list, but not at the
top.
I could send you the Amplified Bible in html format, which should work
very well on your desk top, and on a Braille note taker as well.  This
will give you the Bible in 66 books.
Or, I will soon have the Amplified Bible in the Optasia format, which
would make it even easier to use on either machine.  This last option may
be a couple weeks off, but it will be available.
We will soon have 13 versions available as a package, or individually, or
as html files.  The last set is designed to work well on the Victor
Stream Reader.
Blessings,
Tom, Director
Optasia Ministry
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From poetlori8 at msn.com  Fri Aug 28 18:36:43 2009
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
In-Reply-To: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com><20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><BAY113-DS29C3CFF7293BDED8C3626EBF50@phx.gbl>
	<20090828172423.97AE010F7DD@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com><20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><BAY113-DS29C3CFF7293BDED8C3626EBF50@phx.gbl>
	<20090828172423.97AE010F7DD@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS708B6249145F5D7E12B98EBF50@phx.gbl>

Well, you have to open the whole Bible in one file, minimize it and open 
another file.  Name that file say Genesis.  Then copy Genesis from the Bible 
file and paste it in the Genesis file.  When you see it's done, you delete 
that part.
Does this make any sense?
Barbara

If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of whom 
you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:24 PM
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] optasia

> I don't know how to do it.  I could if I knew what I was doing.
> Best, Penny.
> At 09:13 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>>Couldn't you put the file on your PC and break it up yourself before you 
>>put it on the notetaker?  I know I did that with one of the versions I 
>>have.
>>Barbara
>>
>>If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of whom 
>>you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:22 PM
>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
>>
>>>I love the optasia books and Bibles.  But one that I would like to use, 
>>>why, I just can't.  it is in one file, if I am not mistaken.  It's the 
>>>one I most want to use: the  Amplified, published by the Lockman 
>>>Foundation.
>>>Tom, if I have your ear for a moment.  Could some of these huge Bibles be 
>>>split somehow.  Perhaps the OT into 3 and the NT left as one, so that 
>>>there is some hope of loading and using them in a refreshable note-taker?
>>>
>>>I have no complaints with Optasia; this is simply a request.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Fri Aug 28 22:32:38 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS708B6249145F5D7E12B98EBF50@phx.gbl>
References: <20090827.124110.776.4.optasiaministry@juno.com>
	<20090827222206.8346F10FA38@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<BAY113-DS29C3CFF7293BDED8C3626EBF50@phx.gbl>
	<20090828172423.97AE010F7DD@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<BAY113-DS708B6249145F5D7E12B98EBF50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090828223239.6A40118E2D9@relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Yes. It makes sense.   But I don't know if I could really manage 
it.  Now I see that they're going to make these Bibles into smaller parts.
So I guess I can wait for that to be done.  If this sounds like a 
cop-out, maybe it is.
Blessings, Penny.
At 01:36 PM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>Well, you have to open the whole Bible in one file, minimize it and 
>open another file.  Name that file say Genesis.  Then copy Genesis 
>from the Bible file and paste it in the Genesis file.  When you see 
>it's done, you delete that part.
>Does this make any sense?
>Barbara
>
>If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of 
>whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:24 PM
>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] optasia
>
>>I don't know how to do it.  I could if I knew what I was doing.
>>Best, Penny.
>>At 09:13 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>>>Couldn't you put the file on your PC and break it up yourself 
>>>before you put it on the notetaker?  I know I did that with one of 
>>>the versions I have.
>>>Barbara
>>>
>>>If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with 
>>>care:  of whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>From: "Penny Golden" <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:22 PM
>>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Subject: [Faith-talk] optasia
>>>
>>>>I love the optasia books and Bibles.  But one that I would like 
>>>>to use, why, I just can't.  it is in one file, if I am not 
>>>>mistaken.  It's the one I most want to use: the  Amplified, 
>>>>published by the Lockman Foundation.
>>>>Tom, if I have your ear for a moment.  Could some of these huge 
>>>>Bibles be split somehow.  Perhaps the OT into 3 and the NT left 
>>>>as one, so that there is some hope of loading and using them in a 
>>>>refreshable note-taker?
>>>>
>>>>I have no complaints with Optasia; this is simply a request.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Faith-talk mailing list
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From goldpen at frontiernet.net  Fri Aug 28 22:30:56 2009
From: goldpen at frontiernet.net (Penny Golden)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Optasia and Concordance questions
In-Reply-To: <20090828.132205.3420.0.optasiaministry@juno.com>
References: <20090828.132205.3420.0.optasiaministry@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090828223058.8E04710FA3C@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Tom, as long as it is in the works, I'm not in the least trying to 
rush you.  I'm thrilled you're considering it.
I use the stream and the booksense.   I'll be glad to wait for a 
bit.  And I thank you for taking these long Bible portions apart.
It's a wonderful thing.
Thanks so much.
Blessings, Penny.
At 01:22 PM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>Regarding the concordance and other versions.
>The NIV Study Bible Concordance has been designed with some references in
>it specifically tuned to the KJV.  I havin't made the comparison, but the
>editors tried to make a concordance that would be helpful for KJV users
>as well.
>
>Here's an option.  We'll send you the King James Version in the Optasia
>Format.  It will run in Internet Explorer and you can use the find
>feature of your screen reader to search for words or phrases.
>This does not allow for wild card searches.
>
>Penny,
>Splitting up the Amplified Bible is a project on my list, but not at the
>top.
>I could send you the Amplified Bible in html format, which should work
>very well on your desk top, and on a Braille note taker as well.  This
>will give you the Bible in 66 books.
>Or, I will soon have the Amplified Bible in the Optasia format, which
>would make it even easier to use on either machine.  This last option may
>be a couple weeks off, but it will be available.
>We will soon have 13 versions available as a package, or individually, or
>as html files.  The last set is designed to work well on the Victor
>Stream Reader.
>Blessings,
>Tom, Director
>Optasia Ministry
>____________________________________________________________
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From eric at pmpmail.com  Sat Aug 29 20:02:30 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:02:30 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Saturday August 29th
Message-ID: <20090829200436.834D72AF62F@node77.smtp.com>

You're welcome for the devotional.  Here's one on joy.


Original Message: 
From: "christine_792005" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Saturday August 29th
Date: 
Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:41:23 -0000

Somewhere in this very moment there is joy. Choose to let it touch you.
You do not have to arrange for joy to appear, or coax it out of life. All
you have to do is allow it, and joy will be. Joy does not need a special
circumstance or elaborate condition. It only needs for you to let it arise.
In the tiny, unremarkable moments, joy is always ready and waiting. In the
magnificent, dramatic times it is there as well. Joy will be if you will
let it. Think back, and you'll see how often you've known this to be true.
Relax your defenses, open and expose your most authentic self to life. Joy
will surely reach and fill you. Ralph Marston 



From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 22:40:16 2009
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (qubit)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Saturday August 29th
References: <20090829200436.834D72AF62F@node77.smtp.com>
Message-ID: <4B2526DAB9164FAA9EF166FD78615316@bassclef>

Hi -- and thanks for this thought. I just wanted to add that I have learned 
this the hard way, and know it to be true. (Not all bad feelings are bad, or 
else we'd never be motivated to avoid pitfalls and extract bad things from 
your life, but when little general things get you down or depressed, it 
really is possible to think a positive thought and ignore the distractors 
that try to bring you down. I am not saying medical intervention is never 
necessary for depression, but just that we have this wonderful agency or 
free will to start thoughts moving in our mind that can move mountains.)
Have a good Sunday.
--le


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Saturday August 29th


You're welcome for the devotional.  Here's one on joy.


Original Message:
From: "christine_792005" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Saturday August 29th
Date:
Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:41:23 -0000

Somewhere in this very moment there is joy. Choose to let it touch you.
You do not have to arrange for joy to appear, or coax it out of life. All
you have to do is allow it, and joy will be. Joy does not need a special
circumstance or elaborate condition. It only needs for you to let it arise.
In the tiny, unremarkable moments, joy is always ready and waiting. In the
magnificent, dramatic times it is there as well. Joy will be if you will
let it. Think back, and you'll see how often you've known this to be true.
Relax your defenses, open and expose your most authentic self to life. Joy
will surely reach and fill you. Ralph Marston





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From optasiaministry at juno.com  Sun Aug 30 11:56:09 2009
From: optasiaministry at juno.com (Thomas j Vos)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 11
Message-ID: <20090830.065610.3768.0.optasiaministry@juno.com>

Penny,
If you want to use the Amplified Bible on the Stream, the best option
will be the Amplified Bible in html format, which I already have
available.
This format will give you options of jumping to various headings easily
on the stream.
Blessings,
Tom Vos, director
Optasia Ministry

> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:30:56 -0500
> From: Penny Golden <goldpen at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Optasia and Concordance questions
> To: "Faith-talk,        for the discussion of faith and religion"
>         <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
>         <20090828223058.8E04710FA3C at relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Tom, as long as it is in the works, I'm not in the least trying to 
> rush you.  I'm thrilled you're considering it.
> I use the stream and the booksense.   I'll be glad to wait for a 
> bit.  And I thank you for taking these long Bible portions apart.
> It's a wonderful thing.
> Thanks so much.
> Blessings, Penny.
> At 01:22 PM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
> >Regarding the concordance and other versions.
> >The NIV Study Bible Concordance has been designed with some 
> references in
> >it specifically tuned to the KJV.  I havin't made the comparison, 
> but the
> >editors tried to make a concordance that would be helpful for KJV 
> users
> >as well.
> >
> >Here's an option.  We'll send you the King James Version in the 
> Optasia
> >Format.  It will run in Internet Explorer and you can use the find
> >feature of your screen reader to search for words or phrases.
> >This does not allow for wild card searches.
> >
> >Penny,
> >Splitting up the Amplified Bible is a project on my list, but not 
> at the
> >top.
> >I could send you the Amplified Bible in html format, which should 
> work
> >very well on your desk top, and on a Braille note taker as well.  
> This
> >will give you the Bible in 66 books.
> >Or, I will soon have the Amplified Bible in the Optasia format, 
> which
> >would make it even easier to use on either machine.  This last 
> option may
> >be a couple weeks off, but it will be available.
> >We will soon have 13 versions available as a package, or 
> individually, or
> >as html files.  The last set is designed to work well on the 
> Victor
> >Stream Reader.
> >Blessings,
> >Tom, Director
> >Optasia Ministry
> >____________________________________________________________
> >Instant Medical Insurance
> >Get fast, free medical insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes.
>
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> 
 
 
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From eric at pmpmail.com  Sun Aug 30 15:39:23 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:39:23 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [ChristianChit-Chat] Destiny Helpers
Message-ID: <20090830154129.89EC42AF63E@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "Tina Krause" <TinasCollections at comcast.net>
To: "Christian Chit Chat" <ChristianChit-Chat at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ChristianChit-Chat] Destiny Helpers
Date: 
Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:15:04 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

Destiny Helpers are people God had pre positioned on your way, even
before

Your vision or assignment was made known to you. They have the word of

Encouragement to keep you going. They will be there for you when you
needed

To take a crucial decision. Standing or falling they will always be there

For you. They are ready to spend or be spent to see you succeed. Many a

Times, they are angels from God who takes the form of a servant working
for

You. Examples abound in the Bible. Saul had a servant with him, when he
was

Looking for his father?s lost Asses (1Samuel 9:5-6). Naaman had such
servant

With him when he went to seek solution for his leprosy (2Kings.5:10-12).

Elisha was that to Elijah likewise Joshua was to Moses. I pray the Lord
will

Grant us the grace to recognize these helpers from God when we meet them.

 

People come into your life for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you

Know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person.

 

When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need
you

Have expressed.

They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with

Guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually.

They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason
you

Need them to be.

 

Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time,
this

Person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end.

Sometimes they die. Sometimes they walk away. Sometimes they act up and

Force you to take a stand.

 

What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled,

Their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it
is

Time to move on.

 

Some people come into your life for a SEASON, because your turn has come
to

Share, grow or learn. They bring you an experience of peace or make you

Laugh. They may teach you something you have never done. They usually
give

You an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it, it is real. But only for a

Season. Those who are in your life for a season, will leave when the
season

Is over and spent - They are your buddies or classmates in college many
you

Will never see or hear from when the college is over - you don?t sit down
at

Home brooding over lost school mates. Release them and let them go. You
let

Them go until the Lord allow you to meet again.

 

 

 

LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons, things you must build

Upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept

The lesson, love the person and put what you have learned to use in all

Other relationships and areas of your life. But those that are in your
life

For a lifetime. No matter what happens, they will still be there for you
-

You may travel, quarrel, standing or falling - they will always be there
for

You. They have accepted you, they will never disown you, and to them you
are

Like their shadow.

 

 

 

It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant. Thank you
for

Being a part of my life, whether you were a reason, a season or a
lifetime.

May God grant us the grace to identify our lifetime destiny helpers in
Jesus

Do have a wonderful week.

 

I lift up my eyes to the hills -- where does my help come from? My help

Comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth.

(Psalm 121:1-2)

From eric at pmpmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:27:46 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [F-I-D] This is a great thought for the day and
	especially on Sunday!
Message-ID: <20090830162952.8EFDE2AF632@node77.smtp.com>

Did I send this?


Original Message: 
From: "Mark Marvel of Blind Ambitions"
<mark.marvel at blindambitionsgroups.org>
To: "Mark Marvel of Blind Ambitions"
<mark.marvel at blindambitionsgroups.org>
Subject: [F-I-D] This is a great thought for the day and especially on
Sunday!
Date: 
Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:45:00 -0500

Somewhere in this very moment there is joy. Choose to let it touch you.
You
do not have to arrange for joy to appear, or coax it out of life. All you
have to do is allow it, and joy will be. Joy does not need a special
circumstance or elaborate condition. It only needs for you to let it
arise.
In the tiny, unremarkable moments, joy is always ready and waiting. In
the
magnificent, dramatic times it is there as well. Joy will be if you will
let
it. Think back, and you'll see how often you've known this to be true.
Relax
your defenses, open and expose your most authentic self to life. Joy will
surely reach and fill you. Ralph Marston 

Have a great Sunday.


Mark Marvel
Blind Ambitions Groups
"We may have lost our sight, but we have not lost our VISION"





From eric at pmpmail.com  Mon Aug 31 20:19:46 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [PFS] Quote of the day for Monday August 31st
Message-ID: <20090831202153.50AA02AF646@node77.smtp.com>



Original Message: 
From: "christine_792005" <christine_792005 at yahoo.com>
To: PrayingFriendsSupport at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PFS] Quote of the day for Monday August 31st
Date: 
Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:07:04 -0000

The very best of who you are is always somewhere within you. Choose often
to connect with it, and to let it resonate throughout the details of your
life. As each moment unfolds, remember the good and valuable things of
which you are capable. Pay attention to that longing for goodness, and
follow where it leads. Hold in your heart those times when you've
experienced how beautiful and blessed life can be. Treasure and strengthen
the part of you that draws pure joy from those moments. You have known the
goodness of life and you know that it is as close to you as you wish to
make it. Choose to keep it ever close by.



From eric at pmpmail.com  Mon Aug 31 22:51:50 2009
From: eric at pmpmail.com (Eric Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] FW: [friendsfellowship] devotional from E-Mail Ministry
Message-ID: <20090831225357.211622AFA5C@node77.smtp.com>

Please know that I feel this is timely, as we're dealing with fires right
now.

Eric


Original Message: 
From: "Steph" <smathews at hctc.net>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: [friendsfellowship] devotional from E-Mail Ministry
Date: 
Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:55:08 -0500

Don't Look Back

As you travel through life there are always those times When decisions
just have to be made, When the choices are hard, and solutions seem scarce,
And the rain seems to soak your parade. 

There are some situations where all you can do Is simply let go and move
on, Gather your courage and choose a direction That carries you toward a
new dawn. 

So pack up your troubles and take a step forward - The process of change
can be tough, But think about all the excitement ahead If you can be
stalwart enough! 

There might be adventures you never imagined Just waiting around the next
bend, And wishes and dreams just about to come true In ways you can't yet
comprehend! 

Perhaps you'll find friendships that spring from new things As you
challenge your status quo, And learn there are so many options in life, And
so many ways you can grow! 

Perhaps you'll go places you never expected And see things that you've
never seen, Or travel to fabulous, faraway worlds And wonderful spots in
between! 

Perhaps you'll find warmth and affection and caring And somebody special
who's there To help you stay centered and listen with interest To stories
and feelings you share. 

Perhaps you'll find comfort in knowing your friends Are supportive of all
that you do, And believe that whatever decisions you make, They'll be the
right choices for you. 

So keep putting one foot in front of the other, And taking your life day
by day... There's a brighter tomorrow that's just down the road - Don't
look back! You're not going that way! 

Author Unknown

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