From poetlori8 at msn.com  Mon Dec  1 04:53:19 2008
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:53:19 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] a sermon that inspired me!
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Would that be like when I used to call you Seth Nicholas?  LOL! I remember 
how mad you'd get.
Barbara

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From: "Beth Kats" <bethkats at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:40 PM
To: "'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Faith-talk] a sermon that inspired me!

> I heard a sermon one time in church.  I get them on CD.  People put them 
> on
> CD. For me, so I can hear them again.  It inspired me because it talked
> about God's mercy, which we do not deserve.  The Pastor reminded us not to
> hang on to another person's sin against you.  I am guilty of that.  I 
> think
> that is why I am depressed so often.  I am ashamed that I dwell on the 
> past
> and have so much anger with people who said things to me that I continue 
> to
> hold on to.  I will commit to working on it by praying about it.  I would
> appreciate your prayers as well, please!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Beth
>
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From poetlori8 at msn.com  Mon Dec  1 15:23:05 2008
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:23:05 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] "Republican Party Needs to Leave God Behind"
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Yeah, talk about being blind.  Unfortunately, I think we've reached the 
point in passing when all will become willfully blind.  If they'd all just 
read the history at the time it was written instead of someone's rewrite, 
they'd discover the error of their ways.
My husband told me a line that came from the book 1984, "He who controls the 
present, controls the past."  All we can do is try to grab all we can out of 
the handbasket the world is heading for hell in.
Barbara


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From: "Everett Gavel" <everettg at successfuladaptations.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:32 AM
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: [Faith-talk] "Republican Party Needs to Leave God Behind"

> First, "Happy Thanksgiving!"  ;-)
>
> I thought this might be of interest to some of you. There's stats below on 
> the news coverage, or lack of it, in the recent election.  There's also an 
> absolutely ignorant quote by one of the media's leaders.  What a putz. 
> Yet the sentiment is typical from unbelievers. They think God is merely a 
> tool for poolitical posturing.
>
> To that I share this bit of scripture:
>
>
> Romans 1:19-22
> "Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made 
> it plain to them.
> For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal 
> power and divine nature--has been clearly seen, being understood from what 
> has been made, so that men are without excuse.
> For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave 
> thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts 
> were darkened.
> Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
>
>
> Talk about being blind, huh?  Anyway, the summary and link to the stats 
> are below, for anyone interested.
>
>
> Strive On--and God Bless Your Efforts,
> Everett
> www.everettgavel.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "CitizenLink" <citizenlink at family.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:05 PM
> Subject: Nov. 26: Election News Coverage Ignored Religion
>
>
> CITIZENLINK DAILY UPDATE
> Nov. 26, 2008
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Subject line: Election News Coverage Ignored Religion
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> EDITOR'S NOTE
> ----------------------------------------------
> The CitizenLink team will be spending Thursday and Friday with friends
> and family, so your next Daily Update will arrive Monday, Dec. 1. Happy
> Thanksgiving!
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> TURN SIGNAL
> ----------------------------------------------
> Dustup in California Highlights the Plight of Kids in Foster Care
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/NWAPJMKYRL/2669646891
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> TOP STORY
> ----------------------------------------------
> Election News Coverage Largely Ignored Religion
> by Jennifer Mesko, editor
>
> SUMMARY: 'The mainstream media are utterly clueless as to how to cover
> religious issues.'
>
> Just 4 percent of the general election news coverage focused on
> religion. More than half of those stories dealt with Sen. Barack Obama,
> while 8.5 percent featured Sen. John McCain.
>
> Social issues - including abortion, same-sex "marriage" and
> stem-cell research - accounted for less than 1 percent of campaign
> news overall.
>
> These are some of the findings of a new study conducted by the Pew
> Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism and Pew Forum
> on Religion & Public Life. The study examined religion-focused
> election coverage in 48 news outlets between June 1 and Oct. 15.
>
> "The study confirms what was obvious throughout the campaign: the
> mainstream media are utterly clueless as to how to cover religious
> issues," said Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst for Focus on the
> Family Action. "They gravitate to the sensational, ignore or
> misreport the ordinary, and show a propensity for belittling religious
> belief in general. The media's disdain for religion was never more
> apparent than in the coverage of Governor Palin, which ranged from the
> ridiculous to the malicious."
>
> Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker recently concluded that, in
> order to survive, the Republican Party needs to leave God behind.
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/JCVUJMKYRM/2669646891
>
> "Shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party - and
> conservatism with it - eventually will die out unless religion is
> returned to the privacy of one's heart where it belongs," she
> writes.
>
> Dr. James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, said
> Christians will not be silenced - efforts of big media
> notwithstanding.
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/MFWWJMKYRN/2669646891
>
> (NOTE: Referral to Web sites not produced by Focus on the Family is for
> informational purposes only and does not necessarily constitute an
> endorsement of the sites' content.)
>
> (JMM/1 hour/ AP)
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> NEWS
> ----------------------------------------------
> Florida Judge Rules against Gay Adoption Ban
>
> A Florida judge Tuesday ruled that a state law banning homosexuals from
> adopting children is unconstitutional.
>
> Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman said the 31-year-old law
> violates equal protection rights for the children and their prospective
> gay parents.
>
> John Stemberger, president and general counsel for the Florida Family
> Policy Council, called the ruling "classic judicial
> activism."
>
> "Everywhere in the law where children are affected, the standard
> must always be what is in the best interest of the child," he told
> the Associated Press. "What is stunning to me is that when it
> comes to dealing with gays, that standard goes out the window. Children
> do better with a mother and a father."
>
> The Florida Department of Children & Families plans to file an appeal.
> ---------------------------------------------
> Obama Appoints Abortion Activists to His Team
>
> President-elect Barack Obama hasn't wasted any time advancing his
> radical pro-abortion agenda.
>
> Over the weekend, Obama appointed Ellen Moran, executive director of
> Emily's List, as his White House communications director. Emily's List
> is a group that spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding
> pro-abortion Democrat candidates.
>
> Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said it comes
> as no surprise to those who followed Obama's record that he is forming
> such a strongly pro-abortion team:
>
> "Ms. Moran's fealty to abortion is so strong that after the
> Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial-birth abortion, she saw it as a
> call to arms to raise more funds for her group to work towards
> overturning the decision and cut off funding for politicians who voted
> to ban the gruesome practice."
>
> Obama also recently named Melody Barnes, who formerly served on the
> boards of Emily's List and Planned Parenthood, as his director of
> Domestic Policy Council.
>
> "President-elect Obama was arguably the most pro-abortion member
> of the U.S. Senate," said Ashley Horne, federal policy analyst for
> Focus on the Family Action. "As such, his selection of staff who
> share his pro-abortion views is disappointing but not surprising."
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATION
>
> The Susan B. Anthony List is a national Political Action Committee
> dedicated to raising money for pro-life candidates and counterbalance
> Emily's List.
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/ISFQJMKYRO/2669646891/
>
> - Devon Williams
>
> (NOTE: Referral to Web sites not produced by Focus on the Family is for
> informational purposes only and does not necessarily constitute an
> endorsement of the sites' content.)
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Good News: 'Merry Tossmas' Inspires Shoppers to Take a Stand for Christmas
>
> After watching "Merry Tossmas 2008," a video commentary in
> which Stuart Shepard asks retailers to acknowledge Christmas, a
> California shopper was inspired to do her part.
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/EORWJMKYRP/2669646891
>
> Theresa Stinchfield, of Sacramento, was shopping at her favorite
> Raley's grocery store when she noticed a bin of "Holiday
> Wreaths" for sale. Stinchfield respectfully shared her
> disappointment with management and explained that she couldn't spend
> money in stores that avoid use of the word "Christmas."
>
> To Stinchfield's surprise, the store agreed to immediately change the 
> signs.
>
> "When I left out the same door with my $120 worth of Thanksgiving
> groceries, the signs had indeed been changed," she said.
> "They now read: 'Christmas Wreaths $12.99.'
>
> "I can't change the world, but piping up made for a change in one
> tiny corner of mine! Thank you for the inspiration to quit being a
> whiny bench warmer!"
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATION
> Listen to Friday's broadcast about redeeming the Christmas season.
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/IOYFJMKYRQ/2669646891
>
> Join the "I Stand for Christmas" campaign, and let your voice
> be heard.
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/BXGCJMKYRR/2669646891
>
> View our Christmas-Friendly Shopping Guide
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/JTTPJMKYRS/2669646891
>
> - Devon Williams
> ----------------------------------------------
> ALSO OF NOTE
> ----------------------------------------------
> Facing the Holidays after Divorce
>
> A first step is to be honest about your emotional pain and give
> yourself permission to grieve.
>
> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/KEXEJMKYRT/2669646891
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Family News in Focus
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> QUOTEWORTHY
> ----------------------------------------------
> "We can only be said to be alive in those moments when our hearts
> are conscious of our treasures."
>
> - Thornton Wilder, author
>
> =======================================================
>
> ---
>
>
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec  1 15:37:10 2008
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] "Republican Party Needs to Leave God Behind"
References: <001a01c9508c$499ba370$f96aa463@IBMB7D6F383D44>
	<BAY113-DS5FFDE6F63D6C9C5762F8BEB010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4EB8825E73634A7CAC92414A231ED101@Alan>

What we forget sometimes, though, is that things will be all the worse after Jesus returns to rapture His church.  We aren't meant to go through that tribulation if we are believers in Him.  

I can find scripture verses to support this, but I don't remember them off the top of my head.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] "Republican Party Needs to Leave God Behind"


> Yeah, talk about being blind.  Unfortunately, I think we've reached the 
> point in passing when all will become willfully blind.  If they'd all just 
> read the history at the time it was written instead of someone's rewrite, 
> they'd discover the error of their ways.
> My husband told me a line that came from the book 1984, "He who controls the 
> present, controls the past."  All we can do is try to grab all we can out of 
> the handbasket the world is heading for hell in.
> Barbara
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Everett Gavel" <everettg at successfuladaptations.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:32 AM
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] "Republican Party Needs to Leave God Behind"
> 
>> First, "Happy Thanksgiving!"  ;-)
>>
>> I thought this might be of interest to some of you. There's stats below on 
>> the news coverage, or lack of it, in the recent election.  There's also an 
>> absolutely ignorant quote by one of the media's leaders.  What a putz. 
>> Yet the sentiment is typical from unbelievers. They think God is merely a 
>> tool for poolitical posturing.
>>
>> To that I share this bit of scripture:
>>
>>
>> Romans 1:19-22
>> "Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made 
>> it plain to them.
>> For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal 
>> power and divine nature--has been clearly seen, being understood from what 
>> has been made, so that men are without excuse.
>> For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave 
>> thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts 
>> were darkened.
>> Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
>>
>>
>> Talk about being blind, huh?  Anyway, the summary and link to the stats 
>> are below, for anyone interested.
>>
>>
>> Strive On--and God Bless Your Efforts,
>> Everett
>> www.everettgavel.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "CitizenLink" <citizenlink at family.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:05 PM
>> Subject: Nov. 26: Election News Coverage Ignored Religion
>>
>>
>> CITIZENLINK DAILY UPDATE
>> Nov. 26, 2008
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Subject line: Election News Coverage Ignored Religion
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> EDITOR'S NOTE
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> The CitizenLink team will be spending Thursday and Friday with friends
>> and family, so your next Daily Update will arrive Monday, Dec. 1. Happy
>> Thanksgiving!
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> TURN SIGNAL
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Dustup in California Highlights the Plight of Kids in Foster Care
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/NWAPJMKYRL/2669646891
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> TOP STORY
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Election News Coverage Largely Ignored Religion
>> by Jennifer Mesko, editor
>>
>> SUMMARY: 'The mainstream media are utterly clueless as to how to cover
>> religious issues.'
>>
>> Just 4 percent of the general election news coverage focused on
>> religion. More than half of those stories dealt with Sen. Barack Obama,
>> while 8.5 percent featured Sen. John McCain.
>>
>> Social issues - including abortion, same-sex "marriage" and
>> stem-cell research - accounted for less than 1 percent of campaign
>> news overall.
>>
>> These are some of the findings of a new study conducted by the Pew
>> Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism and Pew Forum
>> on Religion & Public Life. The study examined religion-focused
>> election coverage in 48 news outlets between June 1 and Oct. 15.
>>
>> "The study confirms what was obvious throughout the campaign: the
>> mainstream media are utterly clueless as to how to cover religious
>> issues," said Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst for Focus on the
>> Family Action. "They gravitate to the sensational, ignore or
>> misreport the ordinary, and show a propensity for belittling religious
>> belief in general. The media's disdain for religion was never more
>> apparent than in the coverage of Governor Palin, which ranged from the
>> ridiculous to the malicious."
>>
>> Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker recently concluded that, in
>> order to survive, the Republican Party needs to leave God behind.
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/JCVUJMKYRM/2669646891
>>
>> "Shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party - and
>> conservatism with it - eventually will die out unless religion is
>> returned to the privacy of one's heart where it belongs," she
>> writes.
>>
>> Dr. James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, said
>> Christians will not be silenced - efforts of big media
>> notwithstanding.
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/MFWWJMKYRN/2669646891
>>
>> (NOTE: Referral to Web sites not produced by Focus on the Family is for
>> informational purposes only and does not necessarily constitute an
>> endorsement of the sites' content.)
>>
>> (JMM/1 hour/ AP)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> NEWS
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Florida Judge Rules against Gay Adoption Ban
>>
>> A Florida judge Tuesday ruled that a state law banning homosexuals from
>> adopting children is unconstitutional.
>>
>> Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman said the 31-year-old law
>> violates equal protection rights for the children and their prospective
>> gay parents.
>>
>> John Stemberger, president and general counsel for the Florida Family
>> Policy Council, called the ruling "classic judicial
>> activism."
>>
>> "Everywhere in the law where children are affected, the standard
>> must always be what is in the best interest of the child," he told
>> the Associated Press. "What is stunning to me is that when it
>> comes to dealing with gays, that standard goes out the window. Children
>> do better with a mother and a father."
>>
>> The Florida Department of Children & Families plans to file an appeal.
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Obama Appoints Abortion Activists to His Team
>>
>> President-elect Barack Obama hasn't wasted any time advancing his
>> radical pro-abortion agenda.
>>
>> Over the weekend, Obama appointed Ellen Moran, executive director of
>> Emily's List, as his White House communications director. Emily's List
>> is a group that spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding
>> pro-abortion Democrat candidates.
>>
>> Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said it comes
>> as no surprise to those who followed Obama's record that he is forming
>> such a strongly pro-abortion team:
>>
>> "Ms. Moran's fealty to abortion is so strong that after the
>> Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial-birth abortion, she saw it as a
>> call to arms to raise more funds for her group to work towards
>> overturning the decision and cut off funding for politicians who voted
>> to ban the gruesome practice."
>>
>> Obama also recently named Melody Barnes, who formerly served on the
>> boards of Emily's List and Planned Parenthood, as his director of
>> Domestic Policy Council.
>>
>> "President-elect Obama was arguably the most pro-abortion member
>> of the U.S. Senate," said Ashley Horne, federal policy analyst for
>> Focus on the Family Action. "As such, his selection of staff who
>> share his pro-abortion views is disappointing but not surprising."
>>
>> FOR MORE INFORMATION
>>
>> The Susan B. Anthony List is a national Political Action Committee
>> dedicated to raising money for pro-life candidates and counterbalance
>> Emily's List.
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/ISFQJMKYRO/2669646891/
>>
>> - Devon Williams
>>
>> (NOTE: Referral to Web sites not produced by Focus on the Family is for
>> informational purposes only and does not necessarily constitute an
>> endorsement of the sites' content.)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Good News: 'Merry Tossmas' Inspires Shoppers to Take a Stand for Christmas
>>
>> After watching "Merry Tossmas 2008," a video commentary in
>> which Stuart Shepard asks retailers to acknowledge Christmas, a
>> California shopper was inspired to do her part.
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/EORWJMKYRP/2669646891
>>
>> Theresa Stinchfield, of Sacramento, was shopping at her favorite
>> Raley's grocery store when she noticed a bin of "Holiday
>> Wreaths" for sale. Stinchfield respectfully shared her
>> disappointment with management and explained that she couldn't spend
>> money in stores that avoid use of the word "Christmas."
>>
>> To Stinchfield's surprise, the store agreed to immediately change the 
>> signs.
>>
>> "When I left out the same door with my $120 worth of Thanksgiving
>> groceries, the signs had indeed been changed," she said.
>> "They now read: 'Christmas Wreaths $12.99.'
>>
>> "I can't change the world, but piping up made for a change in one
>> tiny corner of mine! Thank you for the inspiration to quit being a
>> whiny bench warmer!"
>>
>> FOR MORE INFORMATION
>> Listen to Friday's broadcast about redeeming the Christmas season.
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/IOYFJMKYRQ/2669646891
>>
>> Join the "I Stand for Christmas" campaign, and let your voice
>> be heard.
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/BXGCJMKYRR/2669646891
>>
>> View our Christmas-Friendly Shopping Guide
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/JTTPJMKYRS/2669646891
>>
>> - Devon Williams
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> ALSO OF NOTE
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Facing the Holidays after Divorce
>>
>> A first step is to be honest about your emotional pain and give
>> yourself permission to grieve.
>>
>> http://capwiz.com/fof/utr/1/OVBSJMKYOO/KEXEJMKYRT/2669646891
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Family News in Focus
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> QUOTEWORTHY
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> "We can only be said to be alive in those moments when our hearts
>> are conscious of our treasures."
>>
>> - Thornton Wilder, author
>>
>> =======================================================
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>> 
> 
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From kk3f at msn.com  Tue Dec  2 02:29:22 2008
From: kk3f at msn.com (Pat Gormley)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] chapter president is recuperating nicely
Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV70CD67F9A8AB276222A7290000@phx.gbl>

A couple of weeks ago, I asked you to pray for our chapter president Ray Jackson on the eastern shore and I'm please to tell you that he's recovering nicely and he's back to his old self.  He had a cyst on his kidney and it burst on him.  They wanted to let the body absorb the infection and eradicate it which it is doing.  

From kk3f at msn.com  Tue Dec  2 02:40:31 2008
From: kk3f at msn.com (Pat Gormley)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] baby ava is home
Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV2236995CFB467113CD03B90000@phx.gbl>

I have an update on baby Ava we were praying for last August who had a hole in her heart and other complications.  She weighed 8 ounces at birth but she's now home and has been home since November 15th.  She was featured in a recent March of Dimes walkathon as the youngest walker.  

From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Tue Dec  2 03:12:32 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] baby ava is home
In-Reply-To: <BAY133-DAV2236995CFB467113CD03B90000@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY133-DAV2236995CFB467113CD03B90000@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BBD43F97247547389B9E2A1C0224B375@Buster>

Praise god for that.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Pat Gormley
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:41 PM
To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: pastorbarry at for-the-people.com
Subject: [Faith-talk] baby ava is home

I have an update on baby Ava we were praying for last August who had a hole
in her heart and other complications.  She weighed 8 ounces at birth but
she's now home and has been home since November 15th.  She was featured in a
recent March of Dimes walkathon as the youngest walker.  
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Tue Dec  2 03:46:19 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:46:19 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] baby ava is home
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Pat, that's good news.  Thanks for the update.

Blessings,

Linda
At 08:40 PM 12/1/2008, you wrote:
>I have an update on baby Ava we were praying for last August who had 
>a hole in her heart and other complications.  She weighed 8 ounces 
>at birth but she's now home and has been home since November 
>15th.  She was featured in a recent March of Dimes walkathon as the 
>youngest walker.
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Tue Dec  2 23:26:11 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:26:11 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] chapter president is recuperating nicely
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Again, Pat, thanks for the update.  That's also good news!

Blessings,

Linda

At 08:29 PM 12/1/2008, you wrote:
>A couple of weeks ago, I asked you to pray for our chapter president 
>Ray Jackson on the eastern shore and I'm please to tell you that 
>he's recovering nicely and he's back to his old self.  He had a cyst 
>on his kidney and it burst on him.  They wanted to let the body 
>absorb the infection and eradicate it which it is doing.
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From rpoire at comcast.net  Thu Dec  4 01:05:08 2008
From: rpoire at comcast.net (Ron Poire)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:05:08 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] thanks everit
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I know I fall victim to this as well.
I thought, Everett, you were very diplomatic in what you said.

I wish I was reading more braille.  It certainly helps.


Ron Poire
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Everett Gavel" <everettg at successfuladaptations.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] thanks everit


> Hello Andrew, and all,
>
> You're welcome, Andrew.  No problem.  Always happy to help if and when I 
> can.
>
> And now, what I'm about to say, I mean respectfully. Please take it only 
> as the help I'm trying to give it as.  If you want to gain someone's 
> respect, we often have to try harder than someone without a disability, I 
> get that.  No worries.  But we have to pay attention to details, quite 
> often, to do a job right.  And so I want to suggest to any who may 
> benefit, not just you here, Andrew, to please begin paying attention to 
> the details of spelling.  Though many people both sighted and blind, are 
> fairly poor spellers, it often seems far more regular among the blind. 
> Too many of us, me included, put too much trust in our automated voices 
> and often don't pay attention to the facts.  This leaves us looking bad in 
> others eyes who may ever read the things we post on e-mail lists, or in 
> messages written to others.  And yes, possible jobs and employers may well 
> look you up online to see what you're involved in, if anything, when 
> considering hiring you.  No, your situation is not a paying job, but more 
> people need to keep this tip in mind, as many of us would like to work 
> regularly.  Anyway, in this instance, I'm just saying to perhaps begin 
> paying more attention to details, including the details of spelling 
> correctly, typing slower or more accurately, etc. Because quite often, the 
> lack of attention to details that shows itself in e-mail can be found in 
> other parts of one's life, too.
>
> Now, the reason I bring this up is that names of people we respond to are 
> easy to check to see how they're spelled.  Most times right after you hit 
> the command to Reply, you just arrow down a couple lines to see the 
> spelling of the person's name to whom you're responding.  And yet few seem 
> to care enough to do that.  For instance, not that it's a big deal other 
> than that this lack of attention to details may hurt you in trying to 
> learn or remember the sound system to run it.  But, my name for instance, 
> is spelled, E-v-e-r-e-t-t, not, Everit.  Though that's better than how 
> some have butchered it (smile).
>
> Anyway, it's just a friendly suggestion, seriously, to simply begin paying 
> more attention to details.  And I'm not talking to just you here Andrew. 
> Like I've said, this is unfortunately an all too common problem among the 
> blind, at least with e-mail.  I do it too.  Just the other day I realized 
> I was spelling someone's name wrong, as 'Kristy' rather than the correct 
> (for her) 'Kristi.'  Ugh.  Anyway, from an occasional hypocrite, there's a 
> tip to try to help.  Take it or leave it. (smile)
>
> Well, only a 'hypocrite' in the same sense that Christians are all too 
> often called hypocrites.  While some foolish people are, most are not. 
> It's just that we, of course, while knowing the correct ways God tells us 
> to live, and God tells us to tell others about His Word, the Holy Bible, 
> while we try day by day, we still fail miserably now and then.  And so 
> we're called hypocrites.  To that I give a hearty Bah Humbug.  We just 
> fail, or make mistakes, and then begin again, anew.  The thing about a 
> Christian is, we never stop trying to do our best and be our best for our 
> Lord. Thank You, Jesus.
>
>
> John 6:28-29 (NIV)
> 28 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
> 29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has 
> sent."
>
>
> Strive On!
> Everett
> ----- 
> "We live by faith, not by sight."
> ~ 2 Cor 5:7 ?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
> To: <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:37 PM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] thanks everit
>
>
>> Hi Everit
>>
>> Thanks for your reply on the sound issue.
>>
>> I do have some support from the  other members in the church that are
>> involved in  music.
>>
>> I  don't know if he would step in and say something or not.
>>
>> One thing he did say to me is basically that he would rather teach
>> somebody else rather than me i fought it was kind of rude of him to
>> say that.
>>
>> Pastors are sapost to  encourrage people not keep putting people out
>> of ministry.
>>
>
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From rpoire at comcast.net  Thu Dec  4 01:06:42 2008
From: rpoire at comcast.net (Ron Poire)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:06:42 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] sound equipment and the blind
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Monitor headphones might help in keeping audio levels constant, in lieu of a 
VU meter.

Ron Poire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stefan Slucki" <sslucki at chariot.net.au>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sound equipment and the blind


> Hi Andrew and list,
>
> Andrew, when you say the worship pastor said "no" it could either be "no 
> absolutely no, never you'll not be able to do it" or it could be "no, not 
> right now, it's expensive and finely-tuned equipment, you'd need training 
> first".
>
> If it was the first kind of "no" then maybe some sort of protest is called 
> for, but if the very cautious, nervously-defensive, protective kind of 
> response then perhaps some patient persistence.
>
> If you can, tell us what the gear used is i.e. the models and what you are 
> trying to achieve.
>
> Dymo-labelling with braille or even marking with glue-dots is useful.
>
> Best wishes;
>
> Stefan Slucki.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WESLEY BURDEN" <wesley.burden at verizon.net>
> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sound equipment and the blind
>
>
>> Andrew does your church stick to a particular format of church services? 
>> I
>> mean is the church service each week usually the same.  Yes it can be 
>> done.
>> All you need is to familiarize yourself with the mixing board and maybe 
>> it
>> can be labeled so that you know where the buttons are.  Now the cd 
>> recorder
>> is another story because the cd recorders usually have a screen that 
>> let's
>> you know when to record but yet again that can be worked around.  Once 
>> you
>> familiarize yourself with the cd recorder you should be fine.  You just 
>> need
>> to know where the stop pause and track button is that way you can create
>> tracks on the cd of the service.  It can be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Andrew Edgcumbe
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:15 PM
>> To: Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] sound equipment and the blind
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I hope all is well with you guys today.
>>
>> I have been wanting to do sound at my church but  my worship pastor said 
>> no
>> because of the visual Q's.
>>
>> Ifirst asked one of the men to do some sound stuff with me and to show me
>> some things.
>> As fr as he has gotten was he showed me what the board felt like.
>> But the worship pastor is not  letting me do anything in sound because of
>> the visual Q's thing.
>>
>> How evera man who does sound and plays guitar with me he said it could be
>> worked around.
>>
>> Do any of you guys know any blind people who are doing sound in churches?
>>
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] everyone here is a christian website to check out
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Living a Legacy


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<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedImages/Broadcasting/Library/SIH_LivingLeg
acy.jpg>  

Living a Legacy is a weekly 24-minute Bible-teaching program featuring Dr.
Crawford Loritts. Each program is full of in-depth teaching, challenging
lessons, and practical applications-all grounded firmly in the Bible. The
goal of this program is to bring about spiritual awakening and maturity in
the body of Christ through a clear message from God's Word.


Host Crawford Loritts
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedImages/Broadcasting/Library/BI2_CrawfordL
orrits.jpg> 


Dr. Crawford Loritts is a nationally known Bible speaker, author, and senior
pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, Georgia. Crawford and his
wife, Karen, have four children and live in Georgia.
 


Resources


*	For books written by Dr. Loritts, please visit the Moody Publishers
Website
<http://www.moodypublishers.com/Publishers/default.asp?SectionID=DA0DB250205
240A3B2D27CB97458709F&action=view_details&subid=867FC1328D779E947F9BC4064123
C44E> . 

*	To purchase CDs or download MP3s, please visit the Moody Audio
Website <http://www.moodyaudio.com/bcc/store/scripts/orderform.asp?id=6159>
. 

Living A Legacy

Date	 Title 	 Series 	 Audio	
November 30, 2008	 Right On Time	 	
Listen
<http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-30_Living_A_Legac
y.asx> 

November 23, 2008	 Under Control, Part 2	 Mark's Gospel	 
Listen
<http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-23_Living_A_Legac
y.asx> 

November 16, 2008	 Under Control	 Mark's Gospel	 
Listen
<http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-16_Living_A_Legac
y.asx> 

November 9, 2008	 No Time To Waste, Part 2	 Mark's Gospel	 
Listen
<http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-09_Living_A_Legac
y.asx> 


November 2, 2008

No Time To Waste	 Mark's Gospel	 Listen
<http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-02_Living_A_Legac
y.asx> 

Legacy Moments

Date	 Transcripts	

December 5, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/a_clear_message.pdf> 


December 4, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/spotlights_on_whom.pdf> 


December 3, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/unlikely_means.pdf> 


December 2, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/division_is_costly.pdf> 


December 1, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/our_dependable_god.pdf> 

 	  	

November 28, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/acting_as_a_representative.pdf> 


November 27, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/the_spirit_the_word.pdf> 


November 26, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/i
nContext/program_0148.pdf> 


November 25, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/i
nContext/program_0147.pdf> 


November 24, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/an_important_condition.pdf> 

 	  	

November 21, 2008

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<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/gods_pruning_shears.pdf> 


November 20, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/true_love.pdf> 


November 19, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/greater_works.pdf> 


November 18, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/a_certain_destination.pdf> 


November 17, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/a_distinguishing_mark.pdf> 

	 	

November 14, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/real_leadership.pdf>  


November 13, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/one_more_chance.pdf> 


November 12, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/what_god_is_proud_of.pdf> 


November 11, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/our_focus_in_storms.pdf> 


November 10, 2008

Transcript
<http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
iving_a_Legacy/all_on_the_altar.pdf> 

  

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 23:39:55 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:39:55 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] everyone here is a christian website to check out
In-Reply-To: <203431D8838B48359AA58F3476DAA422@Buster>
References: <203431D8838B48359AA58F3476DAA422@Buster>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0812041539he1c6972s7f5434c613b35a32@mail.gmail.com>

Is all that of Moody Bible College?  Mary Bethune went there for her
college years, and she founded Bethune-Cookman College, or at least
the Bethune part.
Beth

On 12/4/08, WESLEY BURDEN <wesley.burden at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>  <http://www.moodyministries.net>
>
> Moody
>
>
> >From the Word. To Life.
>
> Search  Broadcasting  Conferences  Corporate  Education for  Login
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/login.aspx?id=30>  | Support
> <javascript:open_window('https://www.moodyministries.net/makeagift/?gvcode=b
> rd','Giving');> Moody
>
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> *	Education <http://www.moody.edu>
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> *	Conferences <http://www.moodyconferences.com/>
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> Word
>
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>
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>
> *	Midday  <http://www.moodyradio.org/middayconnection.aspx> Connection
>
> *	Prime  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=11694>
> Time America
> *	Chris  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=18270>
> Fabry Live!
> *	Talking  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=11642>
> It Over
> *	Music Thru  <http://www.moodyradio.org/musicthruthenight.aspx> the
> Night
> *	Moody Presents <http://www.moodyradio.org/moodypresents.aspx>
> *	More  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_mainpage.aspx?id=10352> >>
> *	Proclaim! <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=11628>
>
> *	Open Line <http://www.moodyradio.org/openline.aspx>
> *	Sound  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=26974> of
> Majesty
> *	Living a  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_programtoday.aspx?id=27036>
> Legacy
>
> More  <http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_mainpage.aspx?id=10352> >>
>
> Living a Legacy
>
>
>  folded hands resting on an open Bible
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedImages/Broadcasting/Library/SIH_LivingLeg
> acy.jpg>
>
> Living a Legacy is a weekly 24-minute Bible-teaching program featuring Dr.
> Crawford Loritts. Each program is full of in-depth teaching, challenging
> lessons, and practical applications-all grounded firmly in the Bible. The
> goal of this program is to bring about spiritual awakening and maturity in
> the body of Christ through a clear message from God's Word.
>
>
> Host Crawford Loritts
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedImages/Broadcasting/Library/BI2_CrawfordL
> orrits.jpg>
>
>
> Dr. Crawford Loritts is a nationally known Bible speaker, author, and senior
> pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, Georgia. Crawford and his
> wife, Karen, have four children and live in Georgia.
>
>
>
> Resources
>
>
> *	For books written by Dr. Loritts, please visit the Moody Publishers
> Website
> <http://www.moodypublishers.com/Publishers/default.asp?SectionID=DA0DB250205
> 240A3B2D27CB97458709F&action=view_details&subid=867FC1328D779E947F9BC4064123
> C44E> .
>
> *	To purchase CDs or download MP3s, please visit the Moody Audio
> Website <http://www.moodyaudio.com/bcc/store/scripts/orderform.asp?id=6159>
> .
>
> Living A Legacy
>
> Date	 Title 	 Series 	 Audio	
> November 30, 2008	 Right On Time	 	
> Listen
> <http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-30_Living_A_Legac
> y.asx>
>
> November 23, 2008	 Under Control, Part 2	 Mark's Gospel	
> Listen
> <http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-23_Living_A_Legac
> y.asx>
>
> November 16, 2008	 Under Control	 Mark's Gospel	
> Listen
> <http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-16_Living_A_Legac
> y.asx>
>
> November 9, 2008	 No Time To Waste, Part 2	 Mark's Gospel	
> Listen
> <http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-09_Living_A_Legac
> y.asx>
>
>
> November 2, 2008
>
> No Time To Waste	 Mark's Gospel	 Listen
> <http://www.mbn.org/ContentStore/ProgAudioArchives/2008-11-02_Living_A_Legac
> y.asx>
>
> Legacy Moments
>
> Date	 Transcripts	
>
> December 5, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/a_clear_message.pdf>
>
>
> December 4, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/spotlights_on_whom.pdf>
>
>
> December 3, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/unlikely_means.pdf>
>
>
> December 2, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/division_is_costly.pdf>
>
>
> December 1, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/our_dependable_god.pdf>
>
>  	  	
>
> November 28, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/acting_as_a_representative.pdf>
>
>
> November 27, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/the_spirit_the_word.pdf>
>
>
> November 26, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/i
> nContext/program_0148.pdf>
>
>
> November 25, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/i
> nContext/program_0147.pdf>
>
>
> November 24, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/an_important_condition.pdf>
>
>  	  	
>
> November 21, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/gods_pruning_shears.pdf>
>
>
> November 20, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/true_love.pdf>
>
>
> November 19, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/greater_works.pdf>
>
>
> November 18, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/a_certain_destination.pdf>
>
>
> November 17, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/a_distinguishing_mark.pdf>
>
> 	 	
>
> November 14, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/real_leadership.pdf>
>
>
> November 13, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/one_more_chance.pdf>
>
>
> November 12, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/what_god_is_proud_of.pdf>
>
>
> November 11, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/our_focus_in_storms.pdf>
>
>
> November 10, 2008
>
> Transcript
> <http://www.moodyradio.org/uploadedFiles/Broadcasting/Programs/Library/PDF/L
> iving_a_Legacy/all_on_the_altar.pdf>
>
>
>
> Find a Station
>
>
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>
>
> Contact Us
>
>
> We would love to hear from you. If you have questions about Living a Legacy,
> we would be happy to help you. Please contact us through the information
> below.
>
> By Email
>
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>
> By Mail
>
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Fri Dec  5 02:04:21 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:04:21 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] everyone here is a christian website to check out
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Yes it is.  You should listen to some of the sermons on there they are very
powerful and challenging beth.
 

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Is all that of Moody Bible College?  Mary Bethune went there for her college
years, and she founded Bethune-Cookman College, or at least the Bethune
part.
Beth

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:13:55 -0500
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Fri Dec  5 23:41:11 2008
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:41:11 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] NLS Reference Circulars: Bibles in Special Media (1999)
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From kk3f at msn.com  Sat Dec  6 03:17:26 2008
From: kk3f at msn.com (Pat Gormley)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] christian radio in Boston
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I did a Google search using webbie and there is only one station. It is weze 590 A.M. Christian talk.  

From tsburdick at cox.net  Sun Dec  7 00:03:24 2008
From: tsburdick at cox.net (Timothy Burdick)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Faith-talk] hello
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Hi everyone, 
My name is Pastor Timothy, and I would like you all to pray for NEW VISION MINISTRIES. We have a conference call at 10 A. M. Az time, and every Thursday at 7. The first is a general meeting talking about we as people who face all kinds of disabilities, can overcome them through Christ. The second is a bible study. Please pray for the ministry, and pray about joining us. The number is, 1.218.936.7979, and remember that God can see better than any of us.

Contact FRIDAY STUDY/NEW VISION MINISTRIES at mynvm at cox.net cor call.652.2179 or go to www.fridaystudy.org and remember, Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me.


From jcvogt at pressenter.com  Sun Dec  7 00:26:31 2008
From: jcvogt at pressenter.com (Julie C. Vogt)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:26:31 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] hello
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Hey, Pastor Timothy, that phone number is in my area code.


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] hello


> Hi everyone,
> My name is Pastor Timothy, and I would like you all to pray for NEW VISION 
> MINISTRIES. We have a conference call at 10 A. M. Az time, and every 
> Thursday at 7. The first is a general meeting talking about we as people 
> who face all kinds of disabilities, can overcome them through Christ. The 
> second is a bible study. Please pray for the ministry, and pray about 
> joining us. The number is, 1.218.936.7979, and remember that God can see 
> better than any of us.
>
> Contact FRIDAY STUDY/NEW VISION MINISTRIES at mynvm at cox.net cor 
> call.652.2179 or go to www.fridaystudy.org and remember, Philippians 4:13 
> I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me.
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sat Dec 13 16:10:42 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:42 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Alliance Defense Fund - Defending Our First Liberty
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http://alliancedefensefund.org/main/default.aspx




From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sat Dec 13 17:35:11 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Search my heart oh lord
Message-ID: <B968F6017C934FCBAAC56DBC7D4B5CA9@Buster>


Search My Heart, O God

David prays a very admirable prayer in Psalm 139:23-24 saying, "Search me, O
God, and know my heart; Try me and know my anxious thoughts; And see if
there be any hurtful way in me, And lead me in the everlasting way." David
is quick to understand and admit that he is prone (as we all are) to hidden
sins (see Psalm 19:12), errors of heart of which we are not yet aware. Once
we become aware of them, we need to deal with them, and it is David who sets
an example of being proactive in this process. Rather than waiting for sin
to happen and the consequences to result, David asks God to show him where
his faults might lie. If he can be made aware of them before they hurt him
or others, why wouldn't he prefer to be changed ahead of time? This is
exactly what a person with a tender heart toward God ought to do. He ought
to ask God to search his heart so that he can be made aware of anything that
needs to be dealt with.
The wonderful thing is that David has already acknowledged in verse one of
this same chapter that God has already searched him and known him. God
already knows the errors in David's heart and makeup. It is once David
realizes just how much God knows about him and how much God thinks about him
that David comes to welcome God's searching out of his heart so that he can
benefit from the knowledge which God possesses about him. It is a privilege
as a child of God to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), part of
which, is to be made aware of our weaknesses and sin.

God has given us as the body of Christ a specific time to be introspective,
though His desire is that we should deal with sin as quickly as possible all
the time. The Lord's Supper is a fixed time to meditate upon the work of
Christ on the cross, a large part of which involves doing what David did in
asking God to search and know his heart. When we partake in communion, we
ought to ask God to try us and see if there are any wicked ways within us.
If there are, we ought not to partake until we repent or make an issue right
with a brother or sister whom we might have sinned against. This is the
sanctifying part of this ordinance instituted by Christ. It is a time to
reflect upon the blood of Christ shed for us and the body of Christ broken
for us such that we remember who we are in Christ to the extent that we want
to honor Him fully with our lives. Paul is adamant in 1 Corinthians 11:29
that we be introspective about sin and "judge the body rightly." Verses
28-30 say the
following: "But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of
the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks
judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason
many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep." When we let sin go
unchecked in our lives, it can bring decay to our bodies (Psalm 32:3), and
it certainly brings decay to our souls (Galatians 5:9). God doesn't take
lightly to blatant blasphemy and hypocrisy during such a solemn occasion.
The highest honor we can give Christ Who died for us is to die to self and
live for Him. The greatest insult we can cast upon Him is to refuse the
grace and sanctifying power for which He died so that we could freely
receive. When we hide sin in our hearts, we insult Christ by refusing His
gift and blaspheming His redemptive work.
It is not that we lose our salvation when we harden our hearts, but we
certainly grieve the heart of God greatly. It delights God's heart when we
purify ourselv! es as He is pure during the time of communion or at any
other time (1 John 3:3). May we not forget the importance of introspection
and self-examination when taking of the Lord's Table.

One of the best ways to keep walking in the straight and narrow way is to be
regularly introspective. This involves being sensitive to the Holy Spirit's
conviction, being humble in reading the Word, and praying proactively for
God to reveal character flaws that need to be rectified and sanctified. May
we take it upon ourselves to pray as David did that God would search us and
know us so that we could be sanctified and changed.


Stu
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sun Dec 14 20:17:18 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:17:18 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Week 16 of devotional
Message-ID: <E5C1CC75F22E4E44A410FE382238C361@Buster>



Week 16



We really are changing from the inside out---together!



Do you realize that your life is changing for the better, just as the Bible
said it would?  We are being TRANSFORMED by the renewing of our minds, and
we

are coming into the perfect will of God.



Last week we continued our fast from wrong thinking by eliminating the
thought of: "I guess this is all there is.  I'll just have to settle."



This week I want to build upon that.  Many times our mind (and the 
devil) tells us that if things don't go our way, that must be God's 
will.  "God must not

want me to have this." Or "Whatever happens must be God's will".



Please note, I realize many of us reading this know theologically 
that God's will is for good.  But in our lives, when we face 
resistance or it seems like

God is not responding, we're tempted to give up and let whatever 
happens happen.



Not anymore!



Let's replace this wrong thinking with right thinking:



(Read) Mark 10:46-52. Blind Bartimaeus heard about Jesus, and began 
to cry out "Jesus, have mercy on me".  MANY PEOPLE TOLD HIM TO BE 
QUIET, but he cried

out even more.



1. You must stop listening to the many voices trying to keep you the

     way you are. There are voices in your head saying, "keep 
quiet".  There are

     voices from others saying, "Stay the way you are".  There are 
voices saying,

     "God must not want you to have this".



2. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. Say "no" to those voices and keep going after

what God has promised in His Word.



3. In verse 48, when people tried to shut Bartimaeus up, he cried out

     EVEN MORE.  When you face resistance, add persistence! Press

     through!



4. When Jesus heard Bartimaeus crying out, HE STOOD STILL.  (Now I'm

     preaching here!) If you don't give up, you will get Jesus' attention!



5. BELIEVE God wants to fulfill your desires, not just your needs. In

     verse 51, Jesus said, "What do you WANT Me to do for you?"



     (Bartimaeus didn't NEED to see.  He could still live without 
sight.  But Jesus

     asked him what he WANTED.)  God doesn't just meet our needs. He
fulfills

     our desire.  (Provided that our desires are founded in scriptural

     promises.)



6. Make up your mind that you will not be denied.  The woman with the

     issue of blood would not be denied.  The mother of the demon-possessed

    daughter would not be denied.  Bartimaeus would not be denied.  You and
I

    will not be denied.



7. WE MUST RECOGNIZE that our acceptance and tolerance of our present

      condition is the result of our acceptance of this wrong thinking.



THINK IT & SAY IT:



I decide today that I will stop listening to the voices in my head 
and around me that are telling me to stay the way I am.



I will not be quiet when asking God to fulfill His promises.  My 
prayers will not be silenced by doubt, fear or opposition.



At times when I may feel God is not answering, I will stick to His 
Word, which says, "Call unto Me and I will answer."  God says "Yes" 
to what He has already

promised, therefore I will stand on His promises in all areas of my 
life. And I will not be denied. I will not tolerate a life of 
mediocrity or status



I believe that God wants to give me the desires of my heart, and not 
just my needs.  When I face resistance I will add persistence.



I will not give up or give in to my present condition.  I will press 
through the opposition and not be denied. I will not tolerate a 
present condition of

discouragement, sickness, poverty or mediocrity, NOT ANOTHER DAY OF MY LIFE.

Psalm 37:4 says, "He will give me the desires of my hear".  I will 
keep thinking this, believing this, and expecting this until 
something changes for my

good, in Jesus' Name!


Stu
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From braille at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 14 20:23:16 2008
From: braille at sbcglobal.net (Mary Donahue)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:23:16 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Two Prayers and a Praise Report
Message-ID: <000901c95e29$cd7ef750$220110ac@your96fc0aa548>

Good afternoon everyone,

    As the message states, it's about two prayers and a praise. Let me state 
the praise first, and that is that my supervisor, Vivian Seki, gets her cast 
off tomorrow morning, and will start using a walker. She will start
undergoing physical therapy, too. For the past month, Vivian has been using 
a wheelchair to get around, but has been at work faithfully, and plans to
come into work tomorrow after her cast is off. Unfortunately, she'll have to 
miss
our staff meeting, and she is one of the people with a December birthday who
will be honored.

    Now, it's on to the two prayers. The first is for my dad, Richard (Dick)
Jeatran, who has been hooked up to tubes for his kidneys since August. My
brother Bill called this afternoon about quarter to one this afternoon to 
let me know that Dad had to go into the hospital Wednesday because one of
the tubes in his side got infected. He is home now, but will have to go in
for emergency bladder surgery on Friday morning. Once I know what time the
surgery is, I will post another message to have people pray some more.

    The second prayer request is for Vivian's assistant, Jes`us (Jesse) 
Bonilla, who is having jaw surgery tomorrow morning at Wilfred Hall Medical 
Center, which is a part of Lackland Air Force Base. (Jesse is retired 
military, so he is entitled to have surgeries at Wilfred Hall.) He told us 
the other day that his jaw was pulled out during a football injury in high 
school, and the surgery sounds like it will be quite detailed. Needless to 
say, he will have to eat ground-up food and drink liquids through a straw 
for six weeks because his jaw will be wired up. He will be out all week, so 
he will miss our end-of-year celebration on Friday. This past Thursday was 
his last day of work for this calendar year. He claims that, when he comes 
back to work in January, that he will be able to answer the phone in spite 
of his wired jaw.

    In any case, those are the two prayer requests and the praise report. I 
neglected to mention that my dad's surgery will be at Mayo Clinic, 
Scottsdale, Arizona, where my mother had her cancer treatments. Whatever 
praying you can do will be very much appreciated both for my dad and for 
Jesse. Thank you in advance.

Mary Donahue






From jcvogt at pressenter.com  Sun Dec 14 20:55:29 2008
From: jcvogt at pressenter.com (Julie C. Vogt)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:55:29 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Two Prayers and a Praise Report
References: <000901c95e29$cd7ef750$220110ac@your96fc0aa548>
Message-ID: <8517E9B7FDC9452CAD4610BCCADDC32D@your4dacd0ea75>

Will definitely pray.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Donahue" <braille at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:23 PM
Subject: [Faith-talk] Two Prayers and a Praise Report


> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>    As the message states, it's about two prayers and a praise. Let me 
> state
> the praise first, and that is that my supervisor, Vivian Seki, gets her 
> cast
> off tomorrow morning, and will start using a walker. She will start
> undergoing physical therapy, too. For the past month, Vivian has been 
> using
> a wheelchair to get around, but has been at work faithfully, and plans to
> come into work tomorrow after her cast is off. Unfortunately, she'll have 
> to
> miss
> our staff meeting, and she is one of the people with a December birthday 
> who
> will be honored.
>
>    Now, it's on to the two prayers. The first is for my dad, Richard 
> (Dick)
> Jeatran, who has been hooked up to tubes for his kidneys since August. My
> brother Bill called this afternoon about quarter to one this afternoon to
> let me know that Dad had to go into the hospital Wednesday because one of
> the tubes in his side got infected. He is home now, but will have to go in
> for emergency bladder surgery on Friday morning. Once I know what time the
> surgery is, I will post another message to have people pray some more.
>
>    The second prayer request is for Vivian's assistant, Jes`us (Jesse)
> Bonilla, who is having jaw surgery tomorrow morning at Wilfred Hall 
> Medical
> Center, which is a part of Lackland Air Force Base. (Jesse is retired
> military, so he is entitled to have surgeries at Wilfred Hall.) He told us
> the other day that his jaw was pulled out during a football injury in high
> school, and the surgery sounds like it will be quite detailed. Needless to
> say, he will have to eat ground-up food and drink liquids through a straw
> for six weeks because his jaw will be wired up. He will be out all week, 
> so
> he will miss our end-of-year celebration on Friday. This past Thursday was
> his last day of work for this calendar year. He claims that, when he comes
> back to work in January, that he will be able to answer the phone in spite
> of his wired jaw.
>
>    In any case, those are the two prayer requests and the praise report. I
> neglected to mention that my dad's surgery will be at Mayo Clinic,
> Scottsdale, Arizona, where my mother had her cancer treatments. Whatever
> praying you can do will be very much appreciated both for my dad and for
> Jesse. Thank you in advance.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
>
>
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 16:02:03 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:02:03 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] There did we rejoice in him
Message-ID: <33661E661E7B43F6BAA9824336089F7E@Buster>


THERE DID WE REJOICE IN HIM

"He turned the sea into dry land: they went through the flood on
foot: there did we rejoice in Him." Psalm 66:6

Throughout Scripture God intervenes, leads, protects, provides, and shows
His care and concern for His own. The children of Israel graphically
illustrate this as God dealt with them. His desire was that they would be a
people that would glorify His name and be a radiant testimony to Him. 
He made a covenant
with them that was simple yet profound. If they would obey His commandments
and walk in His ways He would be their God and bless them immeasurably.

How miraculous was their deliverance when they were "boxed in" at the Red
Sea: Pharaoh's hosts pursued them from behind, the Red Sea was before them.
What did Moses say to these unbelieving, complaining Israelites? "Fear ye
not, stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, which He will show to
you today:
for the Egyptians you have seen today, you will see them no more for ever"
(Exodus 14:13).

Often when we are in such a predicament, we need to heed the same words from
Moses. From frustration, fear and stress, we need to turn from the false
security of our way and place unwavering faith and unrelenting trust in our
Almighty God. If we have been learning to trust God, the crises we face will
reveal that we are willing to go to the breaking point and not turn our
confidence from Him, but quietly wait for His gracious interceding.

In God's time He told Moses to tell the people to "go forward." To allow the
time necessary for these two million plus Israelites to go through the Red
Sea on "dry" ground, the angel of God removed the pillar of the cloud from
before them "And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of
Israel, and it was a cloud of darkness to them, but it gave light by night
to
these: so that the one camp came not near the other" (Exodus 14:19-20).
There is a time to wait that our faith may be steadfast and sure, but then
there is the time to go forward in confident faith and see God do what we
cannot do, and bring glory to His name.

Israel did this under the leadership of Moses. They dared to believe and God
parted the waters, destroyed the enemy and brought about a great deliverance
and victory. This experience can be repeated time and again in our lives if
we get our eyes off the circumstances, focus them upon Christ and move
forward boldly trusting in God.

"...There did they rejoice in Him." There on the banks of the Red Sea they
rejoiced greatly in what God had done. Their victory came because they
trusted God in the crisis. How much greater our lives are enriched, our
faith strengthened and our union with the Lord strengthened when we go
through the crises with Him, rather than being delivered from the crises by
Him.

"Israel saw the great work which the Lord did upon the Egyptians, and the
people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD and served his servant Moses"
(Exodus 14:31). Look at their response..."they sang...I will sing unto the
Lord, for He hath triumphed gloriously" (Exodus 15:1).

Whatever the crises we encounter, God wants us to trust Him without
reservation. "Be still and know that I am God." Then in faith go forward,
knowing "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world" (1 John
4:4). Then we can say as they, "There did we rejoice in Him." Wherever
"there" 
may be in our
life, it is an occasion to see the mighty works of the Lord in putting down
the enemy and to see God triumph gloriously. May this be true in each of our
lives. Dare to believe!


Stu
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 20:16:38 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
Message-ID: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>

http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/D
iscipleship_Teachings/Christmas_Mourning.aspx




From mentink at frontiernet.net  Mon Dec 15 23:35:13 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:35:13 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
In-Reply-To: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>
References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>
Message-ID: <20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.

At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/D
>iscipleship_Teachings/Christmas_Mourning.aspx
>
>
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From ej_buhrke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 16 02:36:33 2008
From: ej_buhrke at hotmail.com (EJ Buhrke)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:36:33 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
In-Reply-To: <20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>
	<20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV62D91AE001ADD915659189CF50@phx.gbl>

The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it for
you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.

 

http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
tmas_Mourning.aspx
<http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysministries.o
rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
tmas_Mourning.aspx> 

 

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On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:35 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning

 

Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.

 

At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:

>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/
Discipleship_Teachings/Christmas_Mourning.aspx

> 

> 

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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 03:09:02 2008
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:09:02 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>
	<20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <285122EB20854E7EB0AB65FB8C6A1003@bassclef>

did you concatenate the 2 lines of the link and paste the whole link in your 
web browser? I'm about to do that right now. If it doesn't work I'll write 
back.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning


Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.

At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/D
>iscipleship_Teachings/Christmas_Mourning.aspx
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Tue Dec 16 04:31:53 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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It broke it up still, and said the article requested can't be 
found.  I can't seem to copy and paste anything of that length 
successfully.  Thanks.

Blessings,

Linda

At 08:36 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it for
>you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.
>
>
>
>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
>tmas_Mourning.aspx
><http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysministries.o
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Tue Dec 16 04:50:09 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster>
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It seems to be adding to itself every time I copy it to the 
clipboard, even though I edit it in notepad first.

At 08:36 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it for
>you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.
>
>
>
>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
>tmas_Mourning.aspx
><http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysministries.o
>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
>tmas_Mourning.aspx>
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>Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.
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>At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
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From ej_buhrke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:02:18 2008
From: ej_buhrke at hotmail.com (EJ Buhrke)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:02:18 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster><20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><BAY116-DAV62D91AE001ADD915659189CF50@phx.gbl>
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I shortened the link name, but the link is still attached in its entirety.
Hopefully this will work for you.  EJ

 

 

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From ej_buhrke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:38:45 2008
From: ej_buhrke at hotmail.com (EJ Buhrke)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:38:45 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster><20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><BAY116-DAV62D91AE001ADD915659189CF50@phx.gbl>
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Bummer!  I see that our messages are transfered in plain text rather than HTML.  The link actually showed up my message between the words I tried to shorten the link to.  Sorry.  Maybe someone who knows a little more than me can be more helpful.
 
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Tue Dec 16 14:35:05 2008
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:35:05 -0500
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Christmas Mourning



Keith Green 

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I'll never forget the incredible joy and expectation of Christmas. Our house
smelled like a Douglas fir. The tinsel and ornaments sparkled in the colored
lights. Friends and relatives came to visit... all with smiles and
laughter... and all with presents!! The season was full of life, warmth, and
giving. They are the very best memories of my childhood. The air outside was
cold and crisp. And inside, always the smell of something baking. If anyone
asked me to describe "joy" in one word, it would have been Christmas.

I remember taking a drive to an area of town where a whole street prided
itself on their Christmas displays and lights. The whole neighborhood spent
thousands of dollars to light up their front lawns with scenes of snow,
Santas, reindeer, and mangers. I always used to wonder what the manger had
to do with Santa, candy canes, and jingle bells, but it didn't bother me
enough to ask.

When I was about 10 or 11, I noticed the word "Xmas." I wondered what the
"X" was for. I concluded it meant "criss," as in "crisscross." It never even
entered my mind that it replaced "Christ"! Yes, there were school Christmas
plays and other things that talked about the birth of Jesus having something
to do with Christmas, but it never really was the main emphasis in my young
mind. I only wished that it would be Christmas all year, and Jesus had
nothing to do with it! But when I was 21, I met Jesus, and since then it has
been Christmas all year... and Jesus has had everything to do with it!


The Origin Of Christmas

In the third century A.D., a wonderful thing happened. Constantine, the
Roman emperor, became a Christian. For almost 300 years the Christians had
been praying for their emperor's salvation. Nobody believed it was true! But
then came the royal decree... Christianity was made the religion of the
state. Everyone was strongly urged to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and
only deity. At the risk of seeming uncooperative (and believing that it
would be safest politically and sociaially), almost everyone in the empire
made "professions of faith" in the new religion. This, of course, delighted
Constantine.

After a while there arose a great problem. What were they to do with all
their other gods? And what about all the great feasts and celebrations,
especially the winter solstice and the spring equinox? Before Constantine's
conversion, the whole empire would lustily celebrate these festivals to
their gods and goddesses. What would they do now? Constantine knew that,
although almost everyone had outwardly confessed Christianity, they were in
no way prepared to give up their cherished celebrations. What he had on his
hands was a kingdom full of "unconverted converts"!

As the restlessness and dissatisfaction of his people grew, the emperor knew
something had to be done. So, in desperation, he declared two major
"religious" holidays. They would correspond exactly to the times of the old
great celebrations. He declared December 25 (for centuries celebrated as
Saturnalia, the birthday of the sun) as the celebration of the birthday of
Christ. (Although historians say that Jesus was probably born sometime in
October.) A great mass or religious service would be held in honor of Jesus'
birth on that day (hence, Christ-mas). He also declared the old holiday of
the spring equinox to be the celebration of Christ's resurrection. (The old
emphasis of the festival was the worship of the goddess of fertility-which
is where we get the Easter Bunny.) The grumbling masses were thus quieted
when they realized that they could once again celebrate their great
holidays. Oh yes, the festivals might be called something different, and
they might have to go to some "religious ceremonies," but for the most part,
things could get back to normal, and their old festivities could again be
heartily resumed.


St. Nick

The history of the man Nicholas (who was later made a saint by the Roman
Church) is vague and sketchy. But one thing stands out about his character -
he loved the poor and needy, and at every Christmas he used to give gifts to
the widows and orphans. He was loved by all, especially children. This is
how the tradition and practice of gift-giving was started. The folklore
fantasy called Santa Claus grew over the centuries and now is the central
image of a secular Christmas, where an average of over $150 each is spent on
gifts for every man, woman, and child in the United States alone!


The True Meaning Of Christmas

I've heard a lot of talk (especially by Christians) about the true meaning
of Christmas. I've seen Christians go in for all the trappings and
trimmings. They spend hours, even days, in department stores trying to
figure out what to buy for friends and relatives who already have everything
they need ... sitting around the tree and watching nervously while someone
opens up the present you got them, as they try to look surprised and squeal
with delight... parents teaching their young what they call "a harmless
fairy tale" - the story of Santa and how "he's gonna bring you lots of
presents, so you better be good." And all the while, a world full of
starving, deprived people are silently, invisibly looking in through your
living room window begging for a scrap of food, a rag to keep them from
shivering to death, and an answer to their misery, suffering, and
oppression.

When we consider all the money spent by all of us, during a season that's
reatest meaning is the Father giving us His only Son to come live and die
for us, we must cry out against the injustice of an American, Christian
people, who have so much and do so little. The true meaning of this season
should be to give ourselves to the work of spreading the Gospel. Proclaiming
freedom to the captives! Giving them bread to eat, then pointing them to the
Bread of Life, to fill their hungry souls.


Some Suggetsions

As a part of your Christmas celebration this year, we suggest taking your
children to a ghetto, to a hospital, to an orphanage, to an old-age home.
Teach them the meaning of giving. Teach them it is foolish for us to spend
money on things we don't need, and on things that others don't need. Let
them spread joy to those who are miserable! Let them give a smile to an old
woman's face, whose own children have forgotten and abandoned her in a
convalescent hospital. Let them empty their piggy banks and send the money
to missions and the poor. Let there be giving! Costly giving! Let us give
our Lord Jesus the whole world for His birthday! The world and the Lord
await our response...




Keith Green, 2/21/2007 

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Jaime (Guest)	 6/24/2008, 12:34 AM	 	
WOW.....thank you....
I was posting my own warnings and ideas
on my apartment complexes Cork News Board.
This is even better....

A good description of how Christmas came about....
and the paganism behind most of the celebration of it.
	

 	




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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Tue Dec 16 17:20:04 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:20:04 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
In-Reply-To: <8955EEB496354121917799CFD54500BC@Buster>
References: <8955EEB496354121917799CFD54500BC@Buster>
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Hi Elizabeth and Wesley,

Elizabeth, I did get to the web site, but couldn't find the 
story.  Thanks, Wesley, for sending it.  There are some interesting 
characters in the text, but I'm glad to have read it.  Very interesting.

Blessings,

Linda




From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Tue Dec 16 18:10:58 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:10:58 -0500
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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 20:19:55 2008
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:19:55 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
References: <6A74762654134A18B411EB9C958206B5@Buster><20081215233513.E7A491A041A@relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net><BAY116-DAV62D91AE001ADD915659189CF50@phx.gbl>
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Linda -- what you need to do when your mail program splits a link into 
multiple lines is to coppy the lines to notepad and get rid of the newlines. 
Notepad won't chop up the link. Then copy the result into the address box of 
your web browser. I got the original link to work with no problem.
There is no avoiding the notepad step, sorry to say. It's a known problem 
with email on the net.
I personally think the browser should automatically concatenate lines in its 
address fields, but at present for some reason it doesn't.

Oh and the link is a good one. and there's a place to leave a response, 
although I couldn't find other people's responses.
--le

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From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning


It broke it up still, and said the article requested can't be
found.  I can't seem to copy and paste anything of that length
successfully.  Thanks.

Blessings,

Linda

At 08:36 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it for
>you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.
>
>
>
>http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
>tmas_Mourning.aspx
><http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysministries.o
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>Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.
>
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>
>At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
>
> >http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/
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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Wed Dec 17 01:42:21 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:42:21 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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Hi Laura,

I did that.  I was able to get on the site, but I couldn't find the 
article once I got there.  I went to the Disciple Teaching place, or 
whatever it is, but didn't find the article; guess I didn't know 
where to look, and there seemed to be a lot of things I wasn't 
looking for.  It was late, and I needed sleep!  Smile.  Thanks.

Blessings,

Linda

At 02:19 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
>Linda -- what you need to do when your mail program splits a link into
>multiple lines is to coppy the lines to notepad and get rid of the newlines.
>Notepad won't chop up the link. Then copy the result into the address box of
>your web browser. I got the original link to work with no problem.
>There is no avoiding the notepad step, sorry to say. It's a known problem
>with email on the net.
>I personally think the browser should automatically concatenate lines in its
>address fields, but at present for some reason it doesn't.
>
>Oh and the link is a good one. and there's a place to leave a response,
>although I couldn't find other people's responses.
>--le
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
>
>
>It broke it up still, and said the article requested can't be
>found.  I can't seem to copy and paste anything of that length
>successfully.  Thanks.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Linda
>
>At 08:36 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
> >The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it for
> >you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.
> >
> >
> >
> >http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
> >rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
> >tmas_Mourning.aspx
> ><http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysmin 
> istries.o>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
> >tmas_Mourning.aspx>
> >
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> >On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:35 PM
> >To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
> >
> >
> >
> >Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > >http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Minis 
> tries/LDM/
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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 17 15:02:39 2008
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:02:39 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
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You have to arrow down a bit past a lot of links.   I don't remember if I 
arrowed the whole way or used the navigation commands in jaws. Are you a 
jaws user? If so, type h and see if it skips to the next header on the page.
Enjoy.
--le

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From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning


Hi Laura,

I did that.  I was able to get on the site, but I couldn't find the
article once I got there.  I went to the Disciple Teaching place, or
whatever it is, but didn't find the article; guess I didn't know
where to look, and there seemed to be a lot of things I wasn't
looking for.  It was late, and I needed sleep!  Smile.  Thanks.

Blessings,

Linda

At 02:19 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote:
>Linda -- what you need to do when your mail program splits a link into
>multiple lines is to coppy the lines to notepad and get rid of the 
>newlines.
>Notepad won't chop up the link. Then copy the result into the address box 
>of
>your web browser. I got the original link to work with no problem.
>There is no avoiding the notepad step, sorry to say. It's a known problem
>with email on the net.
>I personally think the browser should automatically concatenate lines in 
>its
>address fields, but at present for some reason it doesn't.
>
>Oh and the link is a good one. and there's a place to leave a response,
>although I couldn't find other people's responses.
>--le
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
>
>
>It broke it up still, and said the article requested can't be
>found.  I can't seem to copy and paste anything of that length
>successfully.  Thanks.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Linda
>
>At 08:36 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
> >The link is getting cut apart because it is so long.  I tried to fix it 
> >for
> >you here.  Otherwise you can try to copy and past it.
> >
> >
> >
> >http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http://lastdaysministries.o
> >rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
> >tmas_Mourning.aspx
> ><http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518http:/lastdaysmin
> istries.o>rg/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Chris
> >tmas_Mourning.aspx>
> >
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> >
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> >[mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:35 PM
> >To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christmas Mourning
> >
> >
> >
> >Wesley, the article requested cannot be found.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 02:16 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > >http://lastdaysministries.org/Articles/1000008518/Last_Days_Minis
> tries/LDM/
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Thu Dec 18 15:47:26 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Renew your strength
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Renew Your Strength

If you have ever felt restless in your spirit, this message is for you.
Perhaps you sense spiritually that something is just wrong or off, but you
are not yet sure what it is. There is a strange lack of peace, perhaps
combined with an increasing sense of internal panic and anxiety. 
"Where are all of these
feelings coming from?" you might wonder. Well, I have been there myself too
many times to count, and I want to proclaim to you the truth of God's Word
that has repeatedly led me to freedom when this internal quandary develops.
May God speak freedom, life, joy, and peace into our hearts through His
enduring and perfect Word.

A verse that is often misquoted and misapplied is Psalm 46:10. We hear "Be
still, and know that I am God" and think that God just wants us to tune out,
calm down of our own accord, or be silent. Others imply some mind-numbing
mystical experience which is not at all what God wants in this passage or
anywhere in Scripture. These are fleshly, man-made, or pagan ways to find
peace and rejuvenate. True solace is not an earthly quantum, but it is a
spiritual experience driven by faith in the Word of God which draws us into
the arms of God. It is not a mystical out-of-body vision, but it is a
ministry of the Holy Spirit, God in our hearts, speaking comfort to us. What
God is really getting at in Psalm 46:10 is better received and understood
when it is more accurately translated "Cease striving, and know that I am
God." Striving implies a feverish toiling on our own power to fix a problem
or situation. Panic and anxiety enter into our being when we realize that
our efforts are like running faster and faster on a treadmill. The belt can
go around that machine at whatever speed we run, and we get nowhere fast.
Solving problems by our own intellectual acumen, willpower, and skill never
works. Let me repeat, never. God hates pride, but He gives grace to the
humble. The humble are the ones which bow the knee to God (1 Peter 5:5),
cast their cares upon Him (1 Peter 5:7), and trust Him with the result. We
are to pray because prayer is an acknowledgement that it is God Who must fix
our situation rather than we ourselves. 
Perhaps He might
choose to fix it in and through us as we act as instruments of His working,
but there is a landmark difference in letting God work in and through us as
He desires versus problem solving our own way and on our own power. 
When we feel this internal striving and fumbling around, we need to pause
and simply stop. The Spirit's exhortation to us is "Cease!"

We need to stop the fussing and the pride trip and just let God speak and
lead. Not letting the Spirit lead in our hearts creates friction and takes
more energy and effort on our parts because we have to resist God. We are
not to resist the Spirit (Acts 7:51), grieve the Spirit (Ephesians 4:30), or
quench the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19). We must yield to the Spirit by
letting Him lead (Romans 8:14). This is a willful act of obedience whereby
we let God take our burdens, our stress, and our pain. We must call to Him
in earnest telling Him that we need help, that we are out of ideas, that we
need guidance, and that we need a provision. He knows even before we ask
what we need. Sadly, too often He knows that we need to learn the lesson of
our inability before we can be reminded of His ability. The whole of Psalm
46:10 says, "Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among
the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." When we act in our own power,
our success would be our own exaltation and boast, rather than God's. He
will have none of that. But we can take heart that He gently calls to us
with comfort, longing to take on our cares and burdens, and looking and
waiting for us to exalt the only One Who deserves to be exalted.

The fact of the matter is that there is only one way to have strength
renewed. Isaiah 40:31 says, "Yet those who wait for the Lord will gain new
strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not
get tired, They will walk and not become weary." The way to be truly
rejuvenated, refreshed, re energized, and re strengthened is to wait upon
God. As we cease striving on our own accord and direction, we can then come
to rest in God. This is a process of waiting upon God. This waiting does not
mean just sitting idly by passing the time, but it is from the Hebrew word
"Qavah," meaning to "wait, hope, look for, or expect." Waiting on God is an
active, exciting, dramatic, and hopeful faith experience. Just as we eagerly
await the return of Christ when we can finally escape this body of death and
be with Jesus, we are eagerly to long for, look for, and hope for His
deliverance and ministry in this life.
Wherever we are, God is there to comfort. We don't know what form His
deliverance or provision will take, but that is not the issue as far as our
joy, peace, and sustenance is concerned. The issue is the state of our
hearts. It is those who choose by faith to wait upon God, longing, hoping,
and expecting, who will run and not grow tired and walk and not become
weary. 
Sometimes the pace of life is a stroll in the park; at other times it is a
sprint. But it is not the circumstances which dictate strength; rather, it
is the heart of the person within the circumstances. When we have hope in
our hearts, strength is quick behind it, leading to the joy and peace we
know that God provides.

Want to mount up with wings like eagles and feel what it is to spiritually
fly with joy and peace and strength from God? Cease striving in your own
strength, cast your cares upon God, and hopefully and expectantly wait upon
Him. He will renew your strength.


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From jcvogt at pressenter.com  Thu Dec 18 16:01:11 2008
From: jcvogt at pressenter.com (Julie C. Vogt)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:01:11 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Prayer Request
Message-ID: <39B4E1E737354F40B302453189ABBBE5@your4dacd0ea75>

Please continue to pray for the wife of the pastor at the church I play for, God's Way Temple.  She is in stage one of serosis of the liver.  There are four stages.  She also has a hernia in her stomach.  She is the sweetest person, always thinking of the lives of people in the church, even from her hospital bed.  She was never a drinker, but she's been on heavy, heavy pain meds for well over 30 years.  She's been sick every day of her life for at least that long.



"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain

"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind

"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV

"Opportunity is missed by most because it is dressed up in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Edison.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other one thing." Abraham Lincoln
  
"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)

"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push, 1976.

"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic," the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation of the Blind.

Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com 





From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Thu Dec 18 20:09:06 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:09:06 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] But I Can't Forgive Myself
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But I Can't Forgive Myself


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We've all done things we regret. Sometimes, once we recognize our mistakes,
we can go back and correct them. Other times we can't. The damage has been
done. Memories and accusations flood our minds and we go through mental
gymnastics with all the "if onlys." Sometimes we plunge into a pit of
despair and the weight of our sin seems to literally crush the breath out of
us. Christians know the forgiveness of Jesus, but sometimes we've only
accepted that truth in our minds - deep inside there's a nagging doubt that
it really applies to our situation. 

What can you do with those feelings of guilt? Are they from God or the
devil? Are you forgiven or just fooling yourself? Perhaps your struggles are
with ongoing failures in your attitudes or actions. Or maybe your situation
is so terribly painful you've thought, "Even if God has forgiven me - I'll
never forgive myself!" 

The following letter, sent to me anonymously, tells a familiar story. 


"In June of 1982 I found out 1 was pregnant. I was 18 years old and two
months away from college. My boyfriend was a backslidden Christian like me
and we chose abortion because we didn't want to face our family and friends.
We took the "easy" way out. 

After my abortion I faced mental heartaches, shed many tears, and regretted
the whole decision. To this day I still get on my knees and cry - asking the
Lord for His loving forgiveness because I know I was so wrong! 

I struggle a lot, wondering if God will ever give me a second chance. He is
such a loving God and I believe with all my heart that He is God, and yet I
always carry a conscience full of guilt. I feel like God has abandoned me
and I get so discouraged because of the nightmare of my past. Does God
forgive me? I believe He does, yet I feel this sin was just too great." 




The Weight Of Guilt 

You may think your sins are too big and too terrible for God's forgiveness -
that there's no hope for you. I'm not talking about abortion only. There are
many things that leave guilty scars upon our hearts. 

Some of you are haunted by things in your past like fornication, adultery,
homosexuality, pimping, prostitution, or perversion. Maybe you've committed
crimes like rape, molestation, or incest. Some of you have been thieves,
gang members, drug addicts, or even murderers. Many of you have caused, or
been the victims of, painful divorces. Some of you have emotionally
tormented others through verbal abuse, or injured them through physical
abuse - maybe your marriage partner or your children. And some of you carry
false feelings of guilt and condemnation because you were on the receiving
end of the wrong choices of others. 

Some of you have been careless, selfish, disobedient, or missed God
altogether, and now irreparable damage has been done. A tragedy might have
been averted had you acted differently. But now you or someone else has been
hurt or left handicapped... maybe a life was lost. Perhaps your problems
aren't as devastating as those mentioned, but all the same you live with
continual feelings of discouragement and failure. Whatever your situation
may be, if you are feeling the weight of guilt, the forgiveness of Jesus can
be known. 


Amazing Grace 

The act of "forgiving ourselves" has value only after we have obtained God's
forgiveness. One reason some of you can't forgive yourself is because God
hasn't forgiven you. And if God hasn't forgiven you, it's because you
haven't ever taken your guilt and shame to Him. Jesus Christ is the only One
who can truly cleanse your heart from guilt. "For He delivered us from the
domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in
whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."1 The Bible is full of
this truth. 

Approaching God's throne of grace in sincere humility is your first step in
receiving forgiveness. Not just "going forward and saying a prayer," but
admitting your own guilt, making no excuses, and wholeheartedly turning away
from the things that have broken God's heart. It's giving Him full control
of your life. You can no longer be your own boss - your own god. Jesus longs
for an intimate relationship with you. He is waiting for you to come. You
may find a temporary "cure" for your guilt, but there will be no lasting
inner peace or healing apart from Jesus Christ. 

When we see our sins through the eyes of God, we don't see how we could ever
be forgiven. But that's the wonder and the miracle of His grace. We receive
what we don't deserve - forgiveness. We owe Him everything. He owes us
nothing - yet gives us all. That's what makes His grace truly amazing. 



Loving Relationship 

Many of you may already have a fairly good knowledge of the Lord. You may
even go to church regularly - but for you it's "religion" not relationship.
Jesus doesn't honor outward forms of godliness. He sees our hearts. Don't
try to seek forgiveness for specific areas of your life without yielding
your whole life to Him. We can't send just our sin to the foot of the cross
- we need to take ourselves there as well. God's grace is not a bandage to
slap over an unclean life. A complete cleansing is needed first, and it can
only come through totally giving your life to Jesus. 

Is there any sin too terrible for God to forgive? There's only one that I
know of - the ultimate rejection of God's Son, Jesus. Our refusal to live in
loving relationship with Him blocks us not only from entering into God's
forgiveness, but from entering into eternity with Him as well. Anything and
everything else committed against God and man, once put under the precious
blood of Jesus, can be forgiven. 


God Or the Devil? 

But for many of you, your problem isn't that you don't know God. You do know
Him. You love Him and you're making a consistent effort to be more like Him.
Even though you know King David was probably referring to his sin of
adultery and murder when he said, "As far as the east is from the west, so
far has He removed our transgressions from us,"2 it doesn't help you feel
forgiven in some areas. 

If you have gone to the cross, but still feel guilty, it's probably Satan
who is accusing you. One of his favorite tactics is to bring up your past
sins and failures. Things he knows you feel bad about. Actually, he talks to
you in a religious tone of voice making you wonder if it could be God. He
brings up your past as "evidence" that you are not totally forgiven. He
tells you you're a second-class Christian - that you should be content with
just being saved because you're unworthy of being used by God in any
significant way. 

Of course, we all do well to remember that not one of us is worthy of God's
grace. We need to continually guard our hearts against pride and walking in
our own strength. But I'm not talking here about our need to acknowledge
God's awesome greatness and our bankruptcy before Him. I am talking about an
attack of the enemy that keeps us looking inward instead of upward, full of
guilt instead of full of peace, bound instead of free. 


Conviction vs. Condemnation 

Sometimes we aren't sure just who is talking to us. If it's God, we
certainly don't want to rebuke Him. But we need to be equally careful not to
confuse the attack of the enemy with the voice of God. Let's look at who is
speaking, what is being said, and the motive behind it. 

WHO: First, clarify your exact feelings. Take a moment, condense them into a
few sentences and say them out loud to yourself or a friend. Does it sound
like God? Does it fit His character? Is it an area of sin? Does it line up
with the Bible? 

WHAT: God's conviction is usually specific. He will let you know, "You just
told a lie," or "Fred, I want you to take more responsibility at home."
Specific. On the other hand, condemnation is usually more general in nature.
The enemy says things like, "You're a lousy Christian," "Why don't you just
give up?" or "God could never forgive you for that." 

It could be a vague feeling that everything is wrong, but you can't put your
finger on anything. For example, you may get the feeling that you're a
hypocrite. If so, just say, "Lord, if that's You, please show me exactly
what I've said or done so I can get it right." If it's the Lord, and if you
are open to being corrected, guaranteed He will tell you. 

WHY: When I discipline my children I'm specific because I'm training them. I
want them to learn - to do better next time. I want them to grow into
healthy maturity, not lose heart in defeat. If I spank my daughter I may
say, "Mommy is spanking you because you just hit your sister." I would never
grab her and say, "You're getting this spanking because you're not gonna
make it as my daughter. You're a wreck. You may never grow up right!" 

Many times God speaks a hard word to us. His discipline may hurt for a time,
but His motive is always love. The surgeon carefully cuts out the cancer,
but the robber slashes us in the alleyway. One uses a knife for healing
purposes, the other for destruction. Look at the desired outcome. The goal
of God's conviction is to draw us closer to Him - our lives bearing good
fruit. The devil's condemnation is designed to drive us away from God into a
fruitless, hopeless existence. 

Satan wants us to give up - God just wants us to shape-up! 


A Double Standard? 

This is a test: If someone else with a situation just like yours came to you
for counsel, what advice would you give them? Is it easier for you to grab
onto God's forgiveness for someone else than it is to believe it for
yourself? Perhaps you are harder on yourself than you are on others. 

Remember that God is no respecter of persons. To believe one thing for
someone else, and another thing for yourself is inconsistent. Beliefs like
that are based on feelings not on truth. Sometimes when I "blow it" I feel
so hurt and disappointed in myself that it's hard to receive forgiveness,
yet I would firmly tell someone else in my position to stand on the truth of
the Bible. It's humbling to receive God's forgiveness, but James reminds us
that, "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble."3 Pride
must take a back seat when it comes to receiving something we know we don't
deserve. If God has forgiven us, we set ourselves above Him when we reject
His gift. I must learn to minister the same truth and compassion to myself
that I so freely give to others. 


Receiving Forgiveness 

Here's an example of someone who is forgiven, but doesn't believe it.
Three-year-old Billy has just flushed his mommy's pearl earrings down the
toilet, along with his pet frog. Billy cried out a tearful repentance and
mommy assured him he was forgiven. But Billy felt so bad about what he had
done that he wouldn't eat dinner and the next morning said, "Mommy, I'm not
gonna eat today because I think you're still mad at me." Now, what if his
parents couldn't convince him they weren't angry with him? What if they
couldn't get him to eat at all! 

If Billy was your son, you'd do anything to convince him he was forgiven.
You'd tell him that he was more important to you than a pair of earrings, or
any other possession for that matter. You would be hurt and desperate as you
begged him to please, please eat before he got sick! 

Just like Billy, if you don't receive God's forgiveness, you will get sick
spiritually. Your whole Christian life will suffer. Your lack of confidence
before the Lord does not change the fact that you are forgiven, but it
hinders you from achieving the freedom and victory that is yours in Jesus. 


Present Ongoing Failures 

You've repented time and time again for your temper, selfishness, pride,
irresponsibility, impatience, immaturity, insecurities, and fears, etc. Once
again you slink into God's presence expecting to hear Him say, "You again?
Another bad attitude? You said you'd change but you haven't. That's it - no
more forgiveness for you!" Perhaps you've had other people treat you that
way when you've humbled yourself - but God won't. 

Sometimes we have a misconception about Christianity. We think that once we
gain some maturity in the Lord, all of our conflicts and struggles will end.
But that happens in heaven, not here. God is fine-tuning us. He's sanding
and shaping our characters into better images of Himself. Stop thinking
there's an easier way and realize that life is often very difficult - even
when we are walking with Jesus. 

If you see your failures as opportunities to grow... you will! If you fall,
pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse. "A righteous
man falls seven times, and rises again."4 You're afraid you'll fall again?
Keep your eyes on Jesus, "who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to
make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy."5
You're in training, remember? If you fall, throw yourself on the mercy of
God and try again with the strength He provides. That's what God's mercy is
for. 

Repentance is a change of heart. A change of mind concerning sin. It's more
than just "being sorry." It's honestly saying, "If I could do it over, I'd
do it differently. I would honor God." That's what repentance is all about.
"If MY PEOPLE, which are called by my name, shall HUMBLE THEMSELVES, and
PRAY, AND SEEK MY FACE, and TURN from their wicked ways; THEN will I hear
from heaven, and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN."6 Whether you're a mass-murderer or
the "nice guy down the street," you need to come to God in the same way. But
once you have given your life to God, and turned away from all ungodliness,
you can be sure of His forgiveness whether you feel forgiven or not!7 

If you're still having trouble feeling forgiven, ask God if there's
something He wants you to do. Many times there's someone you need to forgive
or ask forgiveness of. If you've stolen a book from the library, you won't
have a peace while it's at home on your shelf. Do you need to repay someone?
Ask Him to show you anything you've left undone. 


Consequences And Compensation 

Although many of our wrong choices leave us with unpleasant consequences,
these things have nothing to do with the fact that we are forgiven. Some of
you are in jail. If you've had an abortion you must deal with the death of
your baby and sometimes sterility as well . The key is walking in gratitude.
Be thankful for your salvation and for all the good things God has done for
you. Jesus points to a former prostitute and tells us that those forgiven of
the greatest debts will also have the greatest love for Him. A wonderful
promise of hope!8 

God is just. If you must live with difficult circumstances, He will
compensate you in ways that the average person may never know. Our deepest
times with God usually come while passing through the fire. We can get hard
and bitter from our hurts, or we can draw closer to God and allow Him to
break open a vial of compassion in our hearts . In our brokenness we can
comfort others, maybe in similar situations, with the same comfort God has
given to us.9 We have a new understanding of God's grace - a soothing
ointment to apply to the wounds of others. God wants us to use it. 


Renewing Your Mind 

This is very important. Becoming a new creature isn't just a fairy tale that
God made up to help us feel better about ourselves. It is a spiritual truth.
The Bible doesn't lie. 

Paul says, "Therefore, if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the
old things passed away; behold, new things have come."10 When you come to
Jesus something supernatural happens. You become a new person. You have the
same body, the same hands, and even some of the same clothes you had when
you were sinning. But you are different. You are a NEW CREATION. 

In Ezekiel, the Lord says, "I will sprinkle clean water on you and YOU WILL
BE CLEAN." He doesn't say you might be clean or I hope you'll be clean, but
you will be clean. "I will cleanse you from ALL your filthiness and from ALL
your idols. Moreover, I WILL give you a NEW HEART and put a NEW SPIRIT
within you; and I WILL REMOVE the heart of stone from your flesh and GIVE
YOU a heart of flesh. And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU and cause you to
walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe my ordinances." 11 

God has given us a new heart and a new spirit. We need to walk in the
newness of that life. "Therefore we have been buried with Him through
baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through
the glory of the Father, so we too might WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. Knowing
this, that our OLD SELF WAS CRUCIFIED with Him, that our body of sin might
be DONE AWAY WITH, that we should NO LONGER be slaves to sin; for He who has
died is FREED FROM SIN."12 


You Are A New Creature 

Walking in the newness of life involves training our thinking to accept -
not reject - that newness. I recently heard someone say, "I'm new in Christ.
I've got a new heart and I've got a new spirit. My only problem is that I've
got an old brain." There is a battle on for our mind and we need to
continually feed it on the Truth of God - flushing out the junk. It's a
process and you need to diligently apply yourself to it. lay aside the OLD
SELF . . . BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND."13 

Now, gird your mind for action and discipline your thinking. "For the mind
set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and
peace."14 The following are a few practical steps towards renewing your
mind. 

SPEAKING THE TRUTH: Self-esteem is a popular topic right now. The world says
"take pride in yourself," a thought contrary to the Bible - and yet the
Christlike response is not "belittle yourself." Many people continually
downgrade themselves with their words and their thoughts believing it's
biblical humility. It's not. We need to see ourselves through God's eyes and
speak honestly about ourselves - acknowledging the good and the bad. When we
are really honest, we can't help but be humble before God. 

THINKING THE TRUTH: "... whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is
lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if
anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things."15 Meditate
on the special Scriptures the Lord gives you regarding your forgiveness,
your strength in Jesus, your new heart, and all the riches of Christ. Tape
them on your bathroom mirror, underline them in your Bible, memorize them.
This is the truth, and "the truth will make you free."16 

LIVING THE TRUTH: "But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely
hearers who delude themselves."17 Don't fan the flames of old feelings and
desires. If you don't want to struggle with lust, don't go to enticing
movies. Be careful about the influence you receive from television and
books. Practice the simple things the Lord shows you in rebuilding your life
and you won't hurt the Lord and come under the same guilt again. "Put on the
NEW SELF, which in the likeness of God has been created in RIGHTEOUSNESS and
HOLINESS OF THE TRUTH."18 


Forgiving Yourself 

After God has forgiven you, you have to forgive yourself. This will release
you to walk in the fullness of Christ. Satan loves to tell you that you
haven't changed. That the blood of Jesus is useless in the cleansing of sin.
These are lies. Once you have given your life to God and placed your sins
under His blood you are forgiven. Period! You must believe this truth if
you're going to have any joy in your Christian life. You've been bound by
the enemy's chains and Jesus wants to set you free right now. Cry out like
David saying, "bring my soul out of prison, so that I may give thanks to Thy
Name."19 The door is wide open. Walk through it in confidence! Get off alone
somewhere and say this out loud. You are speaking to yourself, to God, and
to the devil. 

l AM NOT THE SAME as I used to be. I WOULD NOT DO the same things if I could
do them over. I am more than sorry. I believe GOD HAS FORGIVEN ME and I'm
going to live like it. I will SPEAK and THINK the truth about myself and
God. I REJECT THE LIES of the enemy. And, I FORGIVE MYSELF. Say it louder, I
FORGIVE MYSELF! Insert your name in here and say, " _____________ I FORGIVE
YOU!!" Now spend some time thanking Jesus for the new start He's giving you.


There are some things that just have to be nailed to the cross once and for
all. Don't take the list down and examine it anymore. Jesus wants to do a
new thing in your life. You need to let Him. It's time to get on with your
life and tackle the opportunities and challenges that lie ahead. You'll miss
them if you keep looking back over your shoulder. Jesus wants to use you. He
loves you and He wants to see you released to be all He's made you to be.
Forget what lies behind and look ahead, walking forward in the wisdom and
power of God. Jesus has not only given you a future, He's given you a hope
as well! "`For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the Lord,
`plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.'"
(Jeremiah 29:11) 



1) Col. 1:13-14
2) Psalm 103:12
3) James 4:6
4) Proverbs 24:16
5) Jude 24
6) II Chron. 7:14
7) I John 1:9
8) Luke 7:42-48
9) II Cor. 1:4
10) II Cor. 5:17
11) Ezek. 36:25-27
12) Rom. 6:4,6-7
13) Eph. 4:22-23
14) Rom 8:6
15) Phil. 4:8
16) John 8:32
17) James 1:22
18) Eph. 4:24
19) Psalm 142:






Melody Green, 2/19/2007 





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From mentink at frontiernet.net  Fri Dec 19 04:34:50 2008
From: mentink at frontiernet.net (Linda Mentink)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Prayer Request
In-Reply-To: <39B4E1E737354F40B302453189ABBBE5@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <39B4E1E737354F40B302453189ABBBE5@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <20081219043450.42233ACC49@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Hi Julie,

I'm continuing to pray for her.  I'm a-thinkin' she can't wait to go 
Home to her Lord, since she has suffered for so long!

Blessings,

Linda
At 10:01 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote:
>Please continue to pray for the wife of the pastor at the church I 
>play for, God's Way Temple.  She is in stage one of serosis of the 
>liver.  There are four stages.  She also has a hernia in her 
>stomach.  She is the sweetest person, always thinking of the lives 
>of people in the church, even from her hospital bed.  She was never 
>a drinker, but she's been on heavy, heavy pain meds for well over 30 
>years.  She's been sick every day of her life for at least that long.
>
>
>
>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a 
>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>
>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>
>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and 
>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>
>"Opportunity is missed by most because it is dressed up in overalls 
>and looks like work." Thomas Edison.
>
>"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more 
>important than any other one thing." Abraham Lincoln
>
>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>
>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push, 1976.
>
>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can 
>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic," 
>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation 
>of the Blind.
>
>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>
>
>
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From jcvogt at pressenter.com  Fri Dec 19 13:29:37 2008
From: jcvogt at pressenter.com (Julie C. Vogt)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:29:37 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] Prayer Request
References: <39B4E1E737354F40B302453189ABBBE5@your4dacd0ea75>
	<20081219043450.42233ACC49@relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <4F93D108A65D421390F312175F2E39C2@your4dacd0ea75>

Well, she hasn't said that and she maintains hope, since she's only in stage 
one.  This is a fairly new church and she's very concerned about everyone in 
the church and the workings of the church, but she can't do anything to help 
right now.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Prayer Request


> Hi Julie,
>
> I'm continuing to pray for her.  I'm a-thinkin' she can't wait to go
> Home to her Lord, since she has suffered for so long!
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
> At 10:01 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote:
>>Please continue to pray for the wife of the pastor at the church I
>>play for, God's Way Temple.  She is in stage one of serosis of the
>>liver.  There are four stages.  She also has a hernia in her
>>stomach.  She is the sweetest person, always thinking of the lives
>>of people in the church, even from her hospital bed.  She was never
>>a drinker, but she's been on heavy, heavy pain meds for well over 30
>>years.  She's been sick every day of her life for at least that long.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>
>>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>
>>"Opportunity is missed by most because it is dressed up in overalls
>>and looks like work." Thomas Edison.
>>
>>"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more
>>important than any other one thing." Abraham Lincoln
>>
>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>
>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push, 
>>1976.
>>
>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>of the Blind.
>>
>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Faith-talk mailing list
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>
>
>
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Fri Dec 19 19:02:53 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] traditions
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Tradition



"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the

Thessalonians, for they received the message with great

eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see

if what Paul said was true."



       I have read how, as a boy in the Midwest, Dale

Carnegie used to amuse himself by holding a stick

across a gateway that the sheep had to pass through.



       After the first few sheep jumped over the stick,

Dale would take it away. Oddly enough, all of the

remaining sheep would also leap through the gateway

over the imaginary barrier. The only reason for their

jumping was that those in front of them had jumped.



       Sheep are not the only ones with this tendency.

Many of us are prone to do what we have seen others

do, believe what others believe, and often accept

without question what our leaders teach.



       Traditions can be a blessing or a bane. Some

religious traditions are good and help keep healthy

ties to the past. Other traditions, especially

man-made religious traditions, can keep people in

bondage and stop them from seeing the truth. For one

example ... take the music in today's Christian

churches. It is one of the biggest areas of conflict.

Some want to cling only to the old hymns; others want

to do away with much of the past and sing only "praise

choruses." The interesting thing about the latter, I

have recently read how some of the younger generation

are now wanting to go back to the old hymns as they

already see "praise choruses" as being traditional and

don't want to be singing the same music in church that

they hear in the secular world every day!



       I know of one church where some members rebelled

not against singing praise choruses in their Sunday

morning worship service, but against having a screen

on which to view the words. They said they couldn't

worship God with a screen in the front of the church

sanctuary! That church clung so tightly to tradition

that it was unable to move from the old ways to any of

the new, and died. It no longer exists.



       There's much truth in what Gloria Steinem is

credited as having said: "The first problem for all of

us, men and women, is not to learn, but to unlearn."



        Saddest thing of all was that the religious people

of Jesus day, while they were waiting for the promised

Messiah, didn't recognize or accept him when he came.

Tradition blinded them to reality.



        But there are also good traditions that we need to

keep. Accepting Jesus as your Savior and Lord is a

2,000-year-old tradition. It has never changed. It

never will. Jesus is still the only way to God. As

Jesus himself said, "I am the way and the truth and

the life. No one comes to the Father [God] except

through me."



        As today's Bible verse points out, the early

Christians in Berea constantly examined the Scriptures

to make sure that Paul's teachings were in harmony with

the Word of God. We need to do the same--and cling to

that which is true and discard that which is untrue or

no longer relevant. As the Apostle himself taught,

"Test everything. Hold on to the good." Besides,

have you ever noticed how silent the New Testament is

on methodology? I think God had a good reason for

that.



        Suggested prayer. "Dear God, please help me to keep

a healthy balance between the old and the new, to

discern the difference between traditions that are in

harmony with your Word and those which are man-made

irrelevant traditions. Please give me the wisdom to

know the difference between the two, the courage to

cling to that which is true, and the willingness to

discard that which is not of you. Thank you for

hearing and answering my prayer. Gratefully, in Jesus'

name, amen."


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From everettg at successfuladaptations.com  Fri Dec 19 21:01:58 2008
From: everettg at successfuladaptations.com (Everett Gavel)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] The Book of Titus (All 3 Chapters)
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Titus - Chapters 1-3
New International Version (NIV)

Titus 1

1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ 
for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the 
truth that leads to godliness-- 
2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal 
life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the 
beginning of time,
3 and at his appointed season he brought his word to 
light through the preaching entrusted to me by the 
command of God our Savior,

4 To Titus, my true son in our common faith:
      Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ 
Jesus our Savior.

Titus' Task on Crete

5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might 
straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint[a] 
elders in every town, as I directed you.
6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one 
wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to 
the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer[b] is entrusted with God's work, he 
must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, 
not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing 
dishonest gain.
8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is 
good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and 
disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it 
has been taught, so that he can encourage others by 
sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers 
and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision 
group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining 
whole households by teaching things they ought not to 
teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
12 Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans 
are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."
13 This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them 
sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the 
commands of those who reject the truth.
15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who 
are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In 
fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they 
deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit 
for doing anything good.

Footnotes:
Titus 1:5 Or ordain
Titus 1:7 Traditionally bishop



Titus 2

What Must Be Taught to Various Groups

1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
2 Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of 
respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love 
and in endurance.
3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the 
way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much 
wine, but to teach what is good.
4 Then they can train the younger women to love their 
husbands and children,
5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, 
to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so 
that no one will malign the word of God.

6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be 
self-controlled.
7 In everything set them an example by doing what is 
good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness
8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so 
that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they 
have nothing bad to say about us.

9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in 
everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to 
them,
10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they 
can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will 
make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has 
appeared to all men.
12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly 
passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and 
godly lives in this present age,
13 while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious 
appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all 
wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are 
his very own, eager to do what is good.

15 These, then, are the things you should teach. 
Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let 
anyone despise you.



Titus 3

Doing What is Good

1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and 
authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever 
is good,
2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, 
and to show true humility toward all men.
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, 
deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and 
pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and 
hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior 
appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had 
done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the 
washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus 
Christ our Savior,
7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might 
become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to 
stress these things, so that those who have trusted in 
God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what 
is good. These things are excellent and profitable for 
everyone.

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and 
arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are 
unprofitable and useless.
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a 
second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and 
sinful; he is self-condemned.

Final Remarks

12 As soon as I send Artemas or Tychicus to you, do 
your best to come to me at Nicopolis, because I have 
decided to winter there.
13 Do everything you can to help Zenas the lawyer and 
Apollos on their way and see that they have everything 
they need.
14 Our people must learn to devote themselves to doing 
what is good, in order that they may provide for daily 
necessities and not live unproductive lives.
15 Everyone with me sends you greetings. Greet those 
who love us in the faith.
      Grace be with you all.


New International Version (NIV)
Copyright ? 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible 
Society






From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sat Dec 20 16:10:37 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:10:37 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] perseverance
Message-ID: <C20BB894AB7D44FA941C0029753BA4D7@Buster>


Perseverance



  "If you wait for perfect conditions, you will never

get anything done. Keep on sowing your seed, for you

never know which will grow--perhaps it all will."



        At the turn of the last century, Julia Woodward

went to Ecuador as a missionary to minister to a tribe

of some 15,000 Indians. In her half-century of work,

she saw only a handful of these people accept the

gospel and come to Christ. However, she taught the

people to read and write and began to translate some

of the Bible into their language. After 50 years of

faithful service, she retired and was replaced by Mr.

and Mrs. Henry Clawson who, after a relatively short

time, saw almost this entire tribe embrace the

Christian faith and become Christians. This was made

possible because of the seed sown by Julia Woodward.



         As another has said, "Don't ever underestimate the

power of a seed. In 1959, there were one-million Roman

Catholics and 600,000 Protestants in China. That may

sound like a lot, but when you compare it to a

population that is rapidly approaching one billion,

you understand what a tiny seed that represented. Then

in 1959 China closed its doors to the outside world.

Many people began to wrap a burial shroud around the

Christian church in China. They said that it would

never survive. Then in 1979 China again opened its

doors to the West and to the rest of the world. And a

strange thing had happened. That tiny seed 20 years

earlier had taken root. The number of Roman Catholics

during those dark years rose from one-million to

three-million and the number of Protestants rose from

600,000 to three-million. The church in a time of

persecution and hardship had grown 53% in a

twenty-year period!"



         You and I may never be a Paul or a Julia Woodward,

but we can keep sowing seeds of the gospel and of God's

love. Here an encouraging word ... there an encouraging

word to a friend in need ... little acts of kindness

all along the way ... praying with one who is

discouraged and/or hurting ... being as Christ to

every life we touch.... Such seeds are never

wasted--only God knows the eternal influence and

impact of such. As Solomon wrote, "Keep on sowing your

seed, for you never know which will grow--perhaps it

all will."



         Suggested prayer. "Dear God, please help me to

keep on sowing the seed of your Word and the gospel in

the way that I live and act, and through well spoken

and timely words. Please use me to help others to find

you and/or come closer to you. Use my life as a living

investment in eternity. Thank you for hearing and

answering my prayer. Gratefully, in Jesus' name,

amen."


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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sun Dec 21 20:53:41 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:53:41 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Week 17 of devotional
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Week 17



This week we are fasting from the thought that says:

"I'm limited by my financial status".



I know that as you replace this wrong thinking, with RIGHT THINKING, you are
going to see things change quickly in your finances and your peace of mind!



This week we deal with what I call a "limitation mentality".



The mind set that always tells you that you are limited; that you don't have
enough; that if you only had more money you could be happy or do more for
God.



All those thoughts actually keep us from doing more, and from being happy.



   Be happy NOW. "Happy is the man who fears the Lord." (Psalm 112:1).



When you THINK that you need more to be happy, you program yourself to stay
unhappy until you have more.  This is a dangerous attitude.  The truth is
when

you are grateful for what you have, you will become magnetic to more.  More
will come.



  We need to recognize that God is not limited by money, therefore 
you do not need to be.  You are made in God's image.  He fed them 
manna from heaven.

  He commanded water out of a rock.  He sent a raven to feed Elijah 
and a prominent family to take care of Elisha.



  Believe in the God of ideas!



Proverbs 8 says He will give us witty inventions.  These are 
ideas.  When God opens up the windows of heaven, He is raining ideas, 
not $100 bills.



  GET WISDOM.



When offered one request from God, Solomon asked for wisdom.  God was 
so impressed, that He gave Solomon wisdom, and with it came wealth, 
power, answers.

James 1:5 says, "If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of God who 
gives to ALL men generously."



  Don't underestimate the power of imagination.



We are to cast down "imaginations" THAT EXALT themselves above the 
knowledge of God.  But God-given imagination is a MUST.  Ephesians 
3:20 says, "He is

able to do exceeding abundantly above and beyond all that you can 
ask, think or imagine."  Note the emphasis on: "YOU CAN ASK, THINK 
AND IMAGINE".  You

CAN and you MUST!



  Expect open heavens.



When God said, He would open the windows of heaven, He wasn't saying 
He would just dump money in your lap.  Heaven has a supply of so much 
more than money.

  Expect the heavens to open to you with angelic intervention, 
wisdom, ideas, hope, words of knowledge, etc.



  Be "provision conscious", not "need conscious".



Make your mind expect that God will provide.  Put your thoughts on 
His generosity and provision, rather than on what YOU NEED or what 
don't have.  EVERY

time we give something valuable to God, we prove we are "provision 
conscious", not "money conscious".

THINK IT & SAY IT:



I fear, reverence and respect God,   therefore I AM happy now.



I don't need any more to be happy.  I am happy already.  This present 
happiness will attract more of what I need,  to my life.



God can work in my life, regardless of my financial status.  He is 
not limited by money, therefore neither am I.



When He needed bread, He multiplied the 5 loaves He had been 
given.  When He needed tax money, He got it out of a fish's 
mouth.  When He needed wine, He

used water!  I believe God is a God of ideas.  He has put His Spirit 
in me, therefore I expect ideas.  Ideas are worth more than 
money.  And I will be

a vessel of God-given ideas.



I think wisdom, and ask for wisdom.  God richly supplies me with 
wisdom, every time I ask for it.  I will ask, think and imagine what 
God can do, and He

will exceed my expectations and imaginations!



I do believe that the heavens will open over my life.  I choose to be 
"provision conscious" rather than "need conscious".



I believe by changing the way I think, I become a magnet that 
attracts God's provision for my life.


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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Mon Dec 22 16:08:12 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:08:12 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Strength from storms
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Strength from Storms



"Is your life full of difficulties and temptations?

Then be happy, for when the way is rough, your

patience has a chance to grow. So let it grow, and

don't try to squirm out of your problems. For when

your patience is finally in full bloom, then you will

be ready for anything, strong in character, full and

complete."



     "The strongest trees grow not beneath the glass of a

conservatory or in the sheltered and sunny valleys.

The stoutest timber stands on Norwegian rocks, where

tempests rage and long, hard winters reign."



        I've never been to Norway nor have I felt the hard,

long winters there, but I have lived where winds blow

furiously. When planting young trees, it was important

not to stake them too tightly. Staking them loosely

(when they were little), the winds caused them to

develop and deepen a strong root system they needed to

stand the powerful winds when they had grown. We had

some trees break, but none ever fell. And where they

were broken, they grew again, strong and healthy.



        Life's like that. If we overprotect our children

when they are young, they will not be equipped to

withstand the challenges of life when the winds of

adversity strike. And, as adults all of us need the

storms of life to help us grow and become healthy and

strong in character--or we can allow them to make us

bitter rather than better--but that choice is ours.



         Suggested prayer: "Dear God, thank you for the

trials and tribulations that you have allowed me to go

through. Please help me to always allow them to deepen

the roots of my faith in you, and help me to grow in

love and every grace. Thank you for hearing and

answering my prayer. Gratefully, in Jesus' name,

amen."


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From tsburdick at cox.net  Mon Dec 22 19:48:08 2008
From: tsburdick at cox.net (Timothy Burdick)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Faith-talk] MAKE SOMEBODYS CHRISTMAS
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Make some bodies Christmas

 

While this isn't a traditional scripture usually used around Christmas, in every season of the year, we need to meditate on it much more than we do. Mathew 25-40 says, "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

 

 

 

Have you ever thought about all of the lonely people that comprise this season? If all of us would pitch in and do something, these numbers would decrease dramatically.  Many times, we have the wrong concept when it comes to ministry. Ministry isn't just for  a chosen few, it is for all. Ministry isn't comprised of only the big and sensational, more importantly, it is made up of little building blocks that may go unnoticed, and an act of kindness on your part, may open the door to someone's heart. So let your actions be the gate way  to words, and tell some one about the savior today. For just as He walked down a lonely road, He will walk with them down their path. I hope that all of you have a merry Christmas.  Pastor Timothy,


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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Thu Dec 25 19:16:04 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] The parable of the birds
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Parable of the Birds

Once upon a time, there was a man who looked upon Christmas as a lot of
humbug. He wasn't a Scrooge. He was a very kind and decent person, generous
to his family, upright in all his dealings with other men. But he didn't
believe all that stuff about an incarnation which churches proclaim at
Christmas.
And he was too honest to pretend that he did. "I am truly sorry to distress
you," he told his wife, who was a faithful churchgoer, "but I simply cannot
understand this claim that God became man. It doesn't make any sense to me."

On Christmas Eve, his wife and children went to church for the midnight
service. He declined to accompany them. "I'd feel like a hypocrite," he
explained.
"I'd much rather stay at home. But I'll wait up for you."

Shortly after his family drove away in the car, snow began to fall. 
He went to his family room window and watched the flurries getting heavier
and heavier.


"If we must have a Christmas," he reflected, "it's nice to have a white
one."

He went back to his chair by the fireside and began to read his 
newspaper. A few minutes later, he was startled by a thudding sound. 
It was quickly followed
by another, then another. He thought that someone must be throwing 
snow balls at his living room window.

When he went to the front door to investigate, he found a flock of 
birds huddled miserably in the snow. They had been caught in the 
storm, and in a desperate
search for shelter had tried to fly through his window.

I can't let those poor creatures lie there and freeze, he thought. 
But how can I help them?

Then he remembered the barn where the children's pony was stabled. It 
would provide a warm shelter. He quickly put on his coat and galoshes 
and tramped
through the deepening snow to the barn. He opened the doors wide and 
turned on the light. But the birds didn't come in.

Food will bring them in, he thought. So he hurried back to the house 
for bread crumbs, which he sprinkled on the snow to make a trail into 
the barn.

To his dismay, the birds ignored the bread crumbs and continued to 
flop around helplessly in the snow. He tried shooing them into the 
barn by walking around
and waving his arms. They scattered in every direction - except into 
the warm, lighted barn.

"They think I'm a strange and terrifying creature," he said to 
himself, "and I can't seem to think of any way to let them know they 
can trust me. If only
I could be a bird myself for a few minutes, perhaps I could lead them 
to safety. If I could just talk bird talk - speak bird language - 
they would listen
to me, because they would understand me. Maybe if I put on my 
daughter's 'Big-Bird' costume, I would look like a bird and they 
would trust me because I
would look like them."

"If I could just become a bird for a few minutes...
      if I could just walk like a bird...
      if I could just talk like a bird...
      if I could just look like a bird...
           they would trust me and I could save them...
           they would trust me and I could save them...
           they would trust me and I could save them..."

Just at that moment, the church bells began to ring. He stood 
silently for a while, listening to the bells pealing the glad tidings 
of Christmas. Then
he sank to his knees in the snow.

"Now I understand," he whispered. "Now I know why you had to come to 
earth. Now I know why you became one of us. Thank you, Jesus, for 
coming to earth
to save sinners like me."

"Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being 
in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to 
be grasped, but
made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made 
in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled 
himself and
became obedient to death - even death on a cross! Therefore God 
exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above 
every name, that at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and 
under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, 
to the glory of
God the Father. (Philip. 2:5-11)


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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Fri Dec 26 23:58:00 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] The gift
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                                                                         THE
GIFT

A poor orphan girl named Maria,
Was walking to market one day,
She stopped for to rest by the roadside, Where a bird with a broken wing
lay.
A few moments passed till she saw it,
For its feathers were covered with sand, But soon clean and wrapped it was
travelling, In the warmth of Maria's small hand.

She happily gave her last peso,
On a cage made of rushes and twine,
She fed it lose corn from the market,
And watched it grow stronger with time.
Now the Christmas Eve service was coming, And the church shown with tinsel
and light, And all of the town folk brought presents, To lay by the manger
that night.

There were diamonds and incense and perfume, In packages fir for a king, But
for one ragged bird in a small cage, Maria had nothing to bring.
She waited till just before midnight,
So no one would see her go in,
And crying she knelt by the manger,
For her gift was unworthy of Him.

Then a voice spoke to her through the darkness, Maria what brings you to me,
If the bird in the cage is your offering, Open the door let me see.
Though she trembled she did what He asked her, And out of the cage the bird
flew, Soaring up into the rafters, On a wing that had healed good as new.

Just then the midnight bells rang out,
And the little bird started to sing,
A song that no words could recapture,
Whose beauty was fit for a king.
Now Maria felt blessed just to listen,
To that cascade of notes sweet and long, As her offering was lifted to
heaven, By the very first Nightingale song.
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From jcvogt at pressenter.com  Sat Dec 27 11:53:49 2008
From: jcvogt at pressenter.com (Julie C. Vogt)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:53:49 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] The gift
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You know what Wesley?  There was a radio station that always played that 
song and this year I didn't hear it on any radio station once.  It's a 
wonderful story.


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Subject: [Faith-talk] The gift


>
> 
> THE
> GIFT
>
> A poor orphan girl named Maria,
> Was walking to market one day,
> She stopped for to rest by the roadside, Where a bird with a broken wing
> lay.
> A few moments passed till she saw it,
> For its feathers were covered with sand, But soon clean and wrapped it was
> travelling, In the warmth of Maria's small hand.
>
> She happily gave her last peso,
> On a cage made of rushes and twine,
> She fed it lose corn from the market,
> And watched it grow stronger with time.
> Now the Christmas Eve service was coming, And the church shown with tinsel
> and light, And all of the town folk brought presents, To lay by the manger
> that night.
>
> There were diamonds and incense and perfume, In packages fir for a king, 
> But
> for one ragged bird in a small cage, Maria had nothing to bring.
> She waited till just before midnight,
> So no one would see her go in,
> And crying she knelt by the manger,
> For her gift was unworthy of Him.
>
> Then a voice spoke to her through the darkness, Maria what brings you to 
> me,
> If the bird in the cage is your offering, Open the door let me see.
> Though she trembled she did what He asked her, And out of the cage the 
> bird
> flew, Soaring up into the rafters, On a wing that had healed good as new.
>
> Just then the midnight bells rang out,
> And the little bird started to sing,
> A song that no words could recapture,
> Whose beauty was fit for a king.
> Now Maria felt blessed just to listen,
> To that cascade of notes sweet and long, As her offering was lifted to
> heaven, By the very first Nightingale song.
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Sat Dec 27 19:51:39 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Delight yourself in the lord
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DELIGHT YOURSELF IN THE LORD



"Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your
heart." Psalm 37:4



Too often we read Scripture without concentrating on what we are 
reading and therefore miss completely what God has to say to us. We 
read quickly without

delving into the depths of what has been written. We need to read 
God's Word slowly, thoughtfully, incisively with a desire, not only 
to understand what

is being said, but to seek to apply to our lives the truth or 
principle before us. With this, we need to have eyes to see, ears to 
hear and hearts open

to respond to all God wants to reveal to us. The Holy Spirit has been 
given to us, not simply to dwell within our hearts, but to teach and 
give us discernment

to understand His Word and make it a reality in our daily walk.



What do you think it means to "delight yourself in the Lord?" We 
quickly read the following words "and he will give you the desires of 
your heart" without

realizing this promise is to those who "delight themselves in the 
Lord." So let us see what it means to delight ourselves in the Lord.



First, "delight" means to find great joy and pleasure in someone or 
something. If we are to delight ourselves in the Lord we will have to 
withdraw from

the base desires we have in the things of this world that hinder, 
distract, and impede the focus of our hearts on Christ. Paul 
admonished the believers

in Corinth to "Come out from among them and be separate...touch no 
unclean thing, and I will receive you" (2 Corinthians 6:17). We 
cannot delight in the

Lord when a divided heart contaminates our lives. God responds to a 
clean heart and pure spirit that is bent to being filled to 
overflowing with His Spirit.





The major thrust of our heart must be to fix our desires on HIM. We 
must cultivate the habit of a holy intimacy with the Lord. This takes 
discipline on

our part responding to the Holy Spirit as He seeks to draw us unto 
the Lord. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you a hunger and thirst to know 
the Lord in a

new and living way that will bring you into this personal intimate 
relationship. It will be the joy of your heart and the love of your 
life. When we are

receptive and responsive to the Holy Spirit, He will create in us a 
peace that passes human understanding, a joy that is unspeakable and 
full of glory

with a desire for the Lord that will enable HIM to give us the 
desires of our heart.



When God is the desire of our hearts, our seeming disappointments 
will be His appointments to prove anew His grace and mercy to us. He 
becomes the sufficiency

for all our need "according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus" 
(Philippians 4:19). Fear, anxiety, and apprehension are lost as we 
rest and abide in

His care and compassion.



God wants to encompass our life with His presence and power. His 
virtues, attributes and works should be ever before us and spur us on 
to an abandoned

faith in the One who is "the same yesterday, today and forever." 
Looking steadfastly to Jesus will create a deeper admiration of who 
He is and elicit our

allegiance, reverence, and respect. It is then we will know the joy 
and peace from finding our delight in the Lord. The resources of His 
grace are infinite.





To delight in the Lord is to find the desires of our heart the very 
expression of His will, plan, and purpose in our life. His desires 
for us become our

desires. He delights to give us what will be for our good, for His 
glory, and to magnify His name. "Delight yourself in the Lord and he 
shall give you

the desires of your heart."


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From poetlori8 at msn.com  Sun Dec 28 04:33:42 2008
From: poetlori8 at msn.com (Barbara Hammel)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:33:42 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] The gift
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I have a Christmas CD of Garth Brooks that has that song on it.
Barbara

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Julie C. Vogt" <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:53 AM
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The gift

> You know what Wesley?  There was a radio station that always played that 
> song and this year I didn't hear it on any radio station once.  It's a 
> wonderful story.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WESLEY BURDEN" <wesley.burden at verizon.net>
> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 5:58 PM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] The gift
>
>
>>
>>
>> THE
>> GIFT
>>
>> A poor orphan girl named Maria,
>> Was walking to market one day,
>> She stopped for to rest by the roadside, Where a bird with a broken wing
>> lay.
>> A few moments passed till she saw it,
>> For its feathers were covered with sand, But soon clean and wrapped it 
>> was
>> travelling, In the warmth of Maria's small hand.
>>
>> She happily gave her last peso,
>> On a cage made of rushes and twine,
>> She fed it lose corn from the market,
>> And watched it grow stronger with time.
>> Now the Christmas Eve service was coming, And the church shown with 
>> tinsel
>> and light, And all of the town folk brought presents, To lay by the 
>> manger
>> that night.
>>
>> There were diamonds and incense and perfume, In packages fir for a king, 
>> But
>> for one ragged bird in a small cage, Maria had nothing to bring.
>> She waited till just before midnight,
>> So no one would see her go in,
>> And crying she knelt by the manger,
>> For her gift was unworthy of Him.
>>
>> Then a voice spoke to her through the darkness, Maria what brings you to 
>> me,
>> If the bird in the cage is your offering, Open the door let me see.
>> Though she trembled she did what He asked her, And out of the cage the 
>> bird
>> flew, Soaring up into the rafters, On a wing that had healed good as new.
>>
>> Just then the midnight bells rang out,
>> And the little bird started to sing,
>> A song that no words could recapture,
>> Whose beauty was fit for a king.
>> Now Maria felt blessed just to listen,
>> To that cascade of notes sweet and long, As her offering was lifted to
>> heaven, By the very first Nightingale song.
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMen4Christ mailing list
>> BlindMen4Christ at morales-family.lljfm.net
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Tue Dec 30 15:27:54 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] You are changing from inside out
Message-ID: <6754EAEE4C6547E9929F434A51418F73@Buster>



Thought 18



You are changing from the inside out!



This week we are fasting from the thought:

"I could succeed if I had the right surroundings, the right people or the
right breaks."

Nonsense!  Yet many people believe that if their surroundings were better
they would succeed. If they just moved to a different city or had a better
boss

or if someone gave them a chance, they would prosper. They use these
thoughts as excuses for why things don't get better, or why they don't reach
their

goals and improve their life.  This way of thinking makes people blame
others and their circumstances for why they don't change.



Replace that thought with this thought:



  It's not what surrounds you, but what's inside you that causes success!

2 Corinthians 4:16  says, "Therefore, we do not lose heart. For 
though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed 
day by day."  Notice,

Paul is saying, even when things go the opposite direction on the 
outside, something good can be happening on the inside.



When things go wrong on the outside, deal with the inside!  This is 
the key to success.  And what does God say we should do on the 
inside? Be renewed, day

by day.  Be filled with the Word day by day!   Absorb these 
scriptures day by day, and the INSIDE with OVERTAKE the OUTSIDE!



  Success or failure in life is created by how you think.



Joshua 1:8 says "...but you shall meditate on the Word of God day and 
night...for THEN you shall make your way prosperous and THEN you 
shall have good SUCCESS."



   Understand the source of blessing.



Psalm 1:1-3 says, "Blessed is the man that does not walk in the 
counsel of the ungodly...but he meditates on the Word day and 
night.  He will be like a

tree firmly planted by streams of water, whose leaf does not wither, 
who bears fruit in his season, and whatever he does, prospers!"



  The root to true success is a prosperous soul.



3 John 2 says, "Beloved I wish above all things that you would 
prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers."



  Remember Joseph...thrown into a pit by his brothers and sold into slavery.



Genesis 39:2 says, "But the Lord was with Joseph, and so he became a 
successful man."  Notice, even though his surroundings were terrible, 
HE STILL BECAME

A SUCCESSFUL MAN.  He had bad surroundings, bad breaks, was 
surrounded by bad people, and yet still succeeded BECAUSE GOD WAS WITH HIM.



  We create our surroundings and we create our breaks by the thoughts 
we think and the choices we make.  Deut. 30:15, 19 says, "I have set before
you

life and prosperity; or death and adversity.  Choose life!"



THINK IT & SAY IT:

It's not what surrounds me that determines my success.  It's what's 
inside me.



I will not lose heart.  Even when things go wrong on the outside, I 
am being renewed on the inside by the Word of God, which will bring 
success in every

areas of my life.



My success is created by how I think.  I agree with God's thoughts, 
and meditate on God's Word day and night.  Success follows me.  I 
prosper in my soul, in

my mind.  I fill my mind with the richness of God's Word, and 
therefore it spills over into every area of my life.



Like Joseph, I will not allow my negative circumstances to determine 
my success or failure. I AM A SUCCESSFUL and PROSPEROUS MAN OR WOMAN, 
because God is

with me.  I create positive surroundings and I create good breaks by 
choosing life today!


Stu
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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 02:48:57 2008
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:48:57 -0600
Subject: [Faith-talk] You are changing from inside out
References: <6754EAEE4C6547E9929F434A51418F73@Buster>
Message-ID: <8B1D6D3F44E745E989A6DEAAF5834EE9@bassclef>

This is a nice thought, as are all the thoughts you have posted... I have a 
quote to append to it: The National Braille Press sells a variety of 
refrigerator magnets with brailled quotes on them. One of my favorite ones 
reads "What lies behind us and what lies beefore us are small matters 
compared to what lies within us." (Emerson)
Enjoy and have a happy and safe new year!
--le

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To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: [Faith-talk] You are changing from inside out




Thought 18



You are changing from the inside out!



This week we are fasting from the thought:

"I could succeed if I had the right surroundings, the right people or the
right breaks."

Nonsense!  Yet many people believe that if their surroundings were better
they would succeed. If they just moved to a different city or had a better
boss

or if someone gave them a chance, they would prosper. They use these
thoughts as excuses for why things don't get better, or why they don't reach
their

goals and improve their life.  This way of thinking makes people blame
others and their circumstances for why they don't change.



Replace that thought with this thought:



  It's not what surrounds you, but what's inside you that causes success!

2 Corinthians 4:16  says, "Therefore, we do not lose heart. For
though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed
day by day."  Notice,

Paul is saying, even when things go the opposite direction on the
outside, something good can be happening on the inside.



When things go wrong on the outside, deal with the inside!  This is
the key to success.  And what does God say we should do on the
inside? Be renewed, day

by day.  Be filled with the Word day by day!   Absorb these
scriptures day by day, and the INSIDE with OVERTAKE the OUTSIDE!



  Success or failure in life is created by how you think.



Joshua 1:8 says "...but you shall meditate on the Word of God day and
night...for THEN you shall make your way prosperous and THEN you
shall have good SUCCESS."



   Understand the source of blessing.



Psalm 1:1-3 says, "Blessed is the man that does not walk in the
counsel of the ungodly...but he meditates on the Word day and
night.  He will be like a

tree firmly planted by streams of water, whose leaf does not wither,
who bears fruit in his season, and whatever he does, prospers!"



  The root to true success is a prosperous soul.



3 John 2 says, "Beloved I wish above all things that you would
prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers."



  Remember Joseph...thrown into a pit by his brothers and sold into slavery.



Genesis 39:2 says, "But the Lord was with Joseph, and so he became a
successful man."  Notice, even though his surroundings were terrible,
HE STILL BECAME

A SUCCESSFUL MAN.  He had bad surroundings, bad breaks, was
surrounded by bad people, and yet still succeeded BECAUSE GOD WAS WITH HIM.



  We create our surroundings and we create our breaks by the thoughts
we think and the choices we make.  Deut. 30:15, 19 says, "I have set before
you

life and prosperity; or death and adversity.  Choose life!"



THINK IT & SAY IT:

It's not what surrounds me that determines my success.  It's what's
inside me.



I will not lose heart.  Even when things go wrong on the outside, I
am being renewed on the inside by the Word of God, which will bring
success in every

areas of my life.



My success is created by how I think.  I agree with God's thoughts,
and meditate on God's Word day and night.  Success follows me.  I
prosper in my soul, in

my mind.  I fill my mind with the richness of God's Word, and
therefore it spills over into every area of my life.



Like Joseph, I will not allow my negative circumstances to determine
my success or failure. I AM A SUCCESSFUL and PROSPEROUS MAN OR WOMAN,
because God is

with me.  I create positive surroundings and I create good breaks by
choosing life today!


Stu
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From wesley.burden at verizon.net  Wed Dec 31 14:51:34 2008
From: wesley.burden at verizon.net (WESLEY BURDEN)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:51:34 -0500
Subject: [Faith-talk] Use it or loose it
Message-ID: <459BB74484874190A6A0C52448089B71@Buster>



Use It or Lose It



"The LORD said to him [Moses], 'What is that in your

hand?' And he said, 'A staff.'"



     I have read how in 1872, at the age of 16, Booker

T. Washington (born a slave and then became the

foremost black educator of the late 19th and early

20th centuries) decided he wanted to go to school. He

walked 500 miles to Hampton Institute in Virginia, and

presented himself to the head teacher. Washington later

recalled, "Having been so long without proper food, a

bath, and change of clothing, I did not make a very

favorable impression upon her, and I could see at once

that there were doubts in her mind about me."



     Finally she said to him, "The adjoining recitation

room needs cleaning. Take the broom and do it." A

lesser person might have been insulted by being

assigned menial work. But Washington recognized

immediately that this was his big chance. He swept

that room three times and dusted it four times. He

even cleaned the walls and the closets. Then he

reported to the head teacher that the job was

finished. She examined that room like a drill

sergeant. She even took a handkerchief and rubbed it

across the top of a door. When she could not find a

particle of dirt, she said, "I guess you will do to

enter this institution."



     As a 16-year-old, Washington could not do many

things. But he could clean a room. And he did it

gloriously. Extraordinary living begins with using

what we have. What gifts and graces do you have that

you have not fully activated?



     Suggested prayer: "Dear God, thank you that you

use ordinary people to do ordinary things in

extraordinary ways as well as using ordinary people to

do extraordinary things. Please use me for whatever it

is you have gifted me to do and want me to do, be it

large or small--and thereby help make my world a

better place in which to live. Thank you for hearing

and answering my prayer. Gratefully, in Jesus' name,

amen."


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