[Faith-talk] Fwd: Today's Turning Point with David Jeremiah

Fri Jan 11 15:16:06 CST 2008

Lisa,

Sorry for the delay in responding--I read this list basically only when I
have time, and I am a graduate student, so I have very little of that.

When I do, I read pretty much everything that's posted.  Some of it I read
pretty quickly and it digests later.  The side-effect is that I don't
always know who posted what several days later.  That's one major reason I
don't post often to this list--hard to carry on a conversation that way.
*grin*  As it's been a few days, I am no longer sure which message you're
asking me about.

I am Catholic, yes, an adult convert.  I like to think that I am Christian
first.  I don't try like to waste a whole lot of time on the distinction
of Catholic vs.  Baptist vs. most anything else because it is clear to me
that holiness lies in most every denomination of our faith.  (I can sadly
find at least one exception..)

This says to me that even if we cannot agree on some of the finer points
of theology, God works through each of us if we are willing to let him.
And to those who do, those differences are very.  Certainly they are in
comparison to those who claim to share the belief of our respective faiths
and do not allow God to work through them.  Those are the ones who need
our prayer, because Jesus has warned that a time will come that they will
call upon him and he will say to them, "I do not know you."

I think, were I in that position, I would rather have been an atheist who
might at least have had the excuse of ignorance rather than tell he who
gave so much that I might be spared that I just didn't care enough.
Yikes, may I never fall into that trap!

On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:12:43PM -0700, Lisa Felix wrote:
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> Hi Joseph,
>  
> No, I didn't ask you, and I hoped to hear from Eric on the subject.  Eric, where are you???
> However, I appreciate your response!  Smile.  Thank you for sharing what was on your heart upon reading that devotional that Eric sent.  I love to hear how God has touched the hearts of others.
>  
> Now, to you, Joseph, I ask:  Did you read the devotional I sent?  If so, what did you think of that one upon reading it?  What were your thoughts?  Did God minister to your heart in any special way?
>  
> Also, are you Catholic?  Do you attend church?  If so, what denomination, or perhaps, is it non-denominational?
>  
> Warmly,
> Lisa
>  
> > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:51:09 -0800
> > From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com
> > To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Fwd: Today's Turning Point with David Jeremiah
> >
> > Well, you didn't ask me, but I'll take a stab at it all the same...
> >
> > To reject what is wrong is pleasing to God, even if it is not pleasing to
> > men. I cannot help when I read that but be reminded that we are all
> > sinners, and by that measure have all done wickedness. And to be quite
> > honest, we will again assuming we live long enough.
> >
> > I've never heard it said any better than I first heard from a Baptist
> > minister now more than a decade ago: We love the sinner, but we hate the
> > sin. That applies to all people, including ourselves.
> >
> > What this verse of Psalm 45 tells us is that we can expect little earthly
> > reward for this practice. It isn't going to be easy, and people aren't
> > going to appreciate it when we say to them that something is wrong, and
> > recognizing that it is so, we can neither condone nor participate in it.
> > It is, however, pleasing to God, and that is what truly matters.
> >
> > I think people should do the same in examining their own conscience. We
> > should look at the things we have done and ask ourselves, was that wrong?
> > If so, I believe three things are appropriate. First, whatever can be
> > done after the fact to rectify what we've done ought to be done.
> > Secondly, we should will ourselves to not do that again. Third, we should
> > pray for the grace that would allow us to accept that our sins are
> > forgiven through Jesus Christ, and to sin no more.
> >
> > This is something that Catholics are required to do in the Sacrament of
> > Reconciliation, but it seems to me that it's a good idea for anyone to do
> > now and then. In fact, I find that if I haven't done it for awhile, it
> > can be really hard to stand up against some things. The right thing is
> > sometimes controversial or even downright unpopular. I mean, I live in
> > Oregon, and when the subject of euthanasia comes up, I am morally
> > obligated to say that it's wrong. It would be so much easier to keep my
> > mouth shut, knowing that Oregonians overwhelmingly support it.
> >
> > That probably goes a bit beyond what you were hoping for.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 06:11:33PM -0700, Lisa Felix wrote:
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> > > Hi Eric,
> > >  
> > > Wow, that scripture verse, Psalm 45:7 is quite interesting.  What do you think about it?  What does it mean to you?  I'm curious, what did you get out of this devotional, or what thoughts came to mind when you read it.  Please share.
> > >  
> > > Lisa
> > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:07:00 -0800
> > > > From: chargerdodger at yahoo.com
> > > > To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > > Subject: [Faith-talk] Fwd: Today's Turning Point with David Jeremiah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Turning Point
> > > > <turningpoint at turningpointonline.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:00:36 -0600 (CST)
> > > > > From: Turning Point
> > > > > <turningpoint at turningpointonline.org>
> > > > > To: chargerdodger at yahoo.com
> > > > > Subject: Today's Turning Point with David Jeremiah
> > > > >
> > > > > Today's Turning Point
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday, January 9
> > > > >
> > > > > An Unnatural Choice
> > > > >
> > > > > You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
> > > > > therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the
> > > > > oil of gladness more than Your companions.
> > > > > Psalm 45:7
> > > > >
> > > > > Recommended Reading
> > > > > Matthew 3:16-17
> > > > >
> > > > > People who live exclusively in one culture live much
> > > > > of their life subconsciously. That is, they are so
> > > > > used to the ways and traditions of their homeland
> > > > > that they don't have to think before acting. But
> > > > > when they go to another culture to visit or to live,
> > > > > every choice is a conscious one because everything
> > > > > is new. They have left their natural state and are
> > > > > living in an unnatural one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus' "culture" was one of intimate fellowship with
> > > > > the Holy Spirit. From eternity past, He had lived
> > > > > with the Father and the Spirit in heaven; and when
> > > > > He came to earth, that relationship continued. He
> > > > > was human and had to submit to the Spirit, but He
> > > > > had no sin nature that battled against the Spirit.
> > > > > Not so with us. Our sinful, fleshly nature is not
> > > > > naturally at home with the Spirit. So, moment by
> > > > > moment, we have to choose to obey Paul's command to
> > > > > "be filled with the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18). Jesus
> > > > > is our example, but the choice is ours.
> > > > >
> > > > > Choose today to be filled with the Spirit. It is a
> > > > > humanly unnatural choice, but one that your new,
> > > > > Christlike nature will gladly agree with.
> > > > >
> > > > > God commands us to be filled with the Spirit; and if
> > > > > we are not filled, it is because we are living
> > > > > beneath our privileges.
> > > > > D. L. Moody
> > > > >
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> > > > > Genesis 27:18 - 29:35
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