[Faith-talk] Prayer class

[daniel strube]

I agree that kids need to learn but the Bible also does dictate that 
children are to obey their parents. so where do you draw the line between 
trying to do your own thing and obeying our parents. especially if you are 
living at home. I was always taught if you are abiding at your parents home 
then you should abide by their rules but talk to them and try to work things 
issues out.  not tryinto start arguments here just stating my thoughts.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Everett Gavel" <EverettG at successfuladaptations.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Prayer class


> Hi Chelsea, and all,
>
> Now Chelsea, first, it's not necessarily your house, is
> it?  If you're living with your mom, it's probably her
> house, right? (smile)
>
> Second, the Catholic versus Protestant thing is an old,
> old, bias.  The reasons for the split from the Catholic
> church, in fact, are at the base, here.
>
> No disrespect to your mom, but, why do you need her
> permission anyway?  You're a college girl.  Just go,
> and trust in God to keep you safe.  If you go in fear,
> thinking you need your mom or anyone else bsides Jesus
> to get through your days and life, you're going to miss
> out on a *lot* of blessings in life that God could
> bestow upon your day, just by you venturing out and
> trusting in Him.
>
> Think of that cliche that many supposedly quote from
> the Bible, which actually isn't in the Bible.  You
> know, the one that says, "God helps those who help
> themselves?"  Well, while it's not in the Bible, it is
> true in many ways.  Meaning that He can bless you much
> easier by you getting out into the world, into society,
> and interacting with others.  By putting your trust in
> Him, and venturing out more, He will, most certainly,
> grow you and bless you more. Because you're opening up
> many more opportunities for Him to do what He does
> best, the way only He can do it.
>
> And no disrespect meant to any parents, but kids,
> teens, and young adults are *supposed* to learn from
> their successes as well as their failures.  It's a part
> of a fuller life, of learning, of growing up properly
> and more successfully.  When a parent does too much for
> their kids, for whatever reason, in the long run it is
> actually hurting the child more than helping.  What it
> is doing more often than not, is simply giving into the
> parent's own fears, and avoiding natural growth for the
> youth. Every kid, absolutely every kid, should get
> bumps and bruises and scratches from venturing out on
> their own.  Every youth should have a chance to make
> decisions for themselves, try what they think is right,
> and learn from it when they find it didn't work that
> way.  But with disabilities, I find more and more (and
> it saddens me) that many parents don't let their
> disabled kiddos go through many such experiences which
> the child's peers, are allowed to go through and learn
> from.
>
> Now, while I don't necessarily recommend the Catholic
> church, which I grew up in, I'm not against it.
> Because I've come to realize thankfully, that it's
> *Jesus* and only Jesus, that truly matters.  And He,
> Jesus, can be found anywhere, in any church, in any
> sort of Christian denomination.  Of course, you need to
> search Him out, because He is missing from many
> churches even while they claim to have Him and know Him
> there.
>
> Chelsea, I'll take a bus over to where you are, my
> friend, and happily walk with you a time or two if you
> would like a friend at first.  No worries there.  It's
> all in God's hands.  Let me know on or off list.  And
> no matter what, keep talking to Jesus, praying to
> Jesus, and doing your best to put your trust in Him.
>
> Lastly, my friend, if you still live over where you did
> back around '02, that's actually near my church, a
> non-denominational Jesus-based, Jesus-loving,
> Christ-centered church with members who'd be happy to
> pick you up and take you home, as they do me most
> times.  (smile)
>
> You can check out my church's site at
> www.changinghistory.org if you'd like to know more.  Or
> just contact me.  God bless your efforts either way,
> Chelsea.  Searrch Him, Jesus Christ, out with your
> heart, not just your noggin, and you'll find Him.
> Definitely.
>
> God bless your efforts!
>
>
> His,
> Everett
> everett at everettgavel.com
> www.everettgavel.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Could you guys pray for me? I'm struggling with my
>> mom. I just asked her if I could go to the Catholic
>> church around the corner, and after a really, really
>> long pause, she said: "Well,  for one, you have to
>> dress up to go to that church." I didn't even ask her
>> what her other reasons were. She was leery even when
>> I was going to that Baptist congregation. I should be
>> able to express myself religiously in my own house.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chelsea
>>
>
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