From gkearney at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 09:29:36 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:29:36 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
Message-ID: <3A200F75-F902-466F-9E1E-1E5A4CA9AD5D@gmail.com>

Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on Saturday. 

Thank you. 

Greg Kearney

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov  4 17:00:51 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:00:51 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.

Dave

At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went 
>on Saturday.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Greg Kearney
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>Greg Kearney
>Association for the Blind of Western Australia




From r.d.t.prater at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 17:10:04 2012
From: r.d.t.prater at gmail.com (Roger devin Prater)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:10:04 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and all 
that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and iPods 
and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math easily as I 
could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and the 
"ation" sign.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>Saturday.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Greg Kearney
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>Greg Kearney
>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov  4 17:25:06 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:25:06 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use 
UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and 
Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?

Dave

At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes 
>and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille 
>notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not 
>do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to 
>miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>
>
>>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went 
>>>on Saturday.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>Greg Kearney
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>Greg Kearney
>>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia




From r.d.t.prater at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 17:33:10 2012
From: r.d.t.prater at gmail.com (Roger devin Prater)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:33:10 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire purpose 
of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB for 
> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know 
> either way if this is what they did?
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and 
>>all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and 
>>iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math easily 
>>as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and 
>>the "ation" sign.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>
>>
>>>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>>>Saturday.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov  4 18:09:10 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:09:10 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <361311937EA44387B85C1B0EFC2C5792@DevinPC>
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It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that 
UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.

Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!

David Andrews, Moderator

At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire 
>purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>
>
>>Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use 
>>UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and 
>>Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath 
>>>codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about 
>>>braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I 
>>>could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm 
>>>going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. 
>>>>>went on Saturday.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia




From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Nov  4 18:20:32 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:20:32 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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Because its math implementation sucks big-time!

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger devin
Prater
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote

Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire purpose 
of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB for

> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know 
> either way if this is what they did?
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and 
>>all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and 
>>iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math easily 
>>as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and 
>>the "ation" sign.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>
>>
>>>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>>>Saturday.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Nov  4 18:21:39 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:21:39 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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It would appear that you've not done calculus, differential equations or
complex analysis recently. Nemeth is far superior to UEB for that kind of
math.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger devin
Prater
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:10 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote

Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and all 
that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and iPods 
and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math easily as I 
could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and the 
"ation" sign.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>Saturday.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Greg Kearney
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>Greg Kearney
>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 19:25:37 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:25:37 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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I agree, Nemeth is vastly better than the weak UEB math code. They are correct in retaining it while using UEB for literary works. 

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 05/11/2012, at 2:20 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> Because its math implementation sucks big-time!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger devin
> Prater
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire purpose 
> of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> 
>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB for
> 
>> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know 
>> either way if this is what they did?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and 
>>> all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and 
>>> iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math easily 
>>> as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and 
>>> the "ation" sign.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 
>> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Nov  4 23:16:58 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:16:58 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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IMO the problem is that too many who are highly involved in working with
Braille codes are math-phobic. <grin>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:26 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote

I agree, Nemeth is vastly better than the weak UEB math code. They are
correct in retaining it while using UEB for literary works. 

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 05/11/2012, at 2:20 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> Because its math implementation sucks big-time!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger
devin
> Prater
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
purpose 
> of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> 
>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB
for
> 
>> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know 
>> either way if this is what they did?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and 
>>> all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and 
>>> iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math
easily 
>>> as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and

>>> the "ation" sign.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 
>> 
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 23:46:33 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:46:33 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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The UEB math codes fundamental problem in my opinion is that it seeks to describe math rather than be a true representation of math itself. A Nementh math expression is just that an expression not a description of math. It is further aided by being developed by a mathmetition a world known expert in the field of math independent of his background in Braille.


Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
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On 05/11/2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> IMO the problem is that too many who are highly involved in working with
> Braille codes are math-phobic. <grin>
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:26 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> I agree, Nemeth is vastly better than the weak UEB math code. They are
> correct in retaining it while using UEB for literary works. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Greg Kearney
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 
> On 05/11/2012, at 2:20 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> 
>> Because its math implementation sucks big-time!
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger
> devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> 
>> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
> purpose 
>> of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> 
>> 
>>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB
> for
>> 
>>> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know 
>>> either way if this is what they did?
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and 
>>>> all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and 
>>>> iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math
> easily 
>>>> as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and
> 
>>>> the "ation" sign.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on 
>>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>>> 
>>> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Nov  5 00:28:35 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:28:35 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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It isn't just people who work with Braille codes that are Math 
phobic, it is most of the population!

Dave


At 05:16 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>IMO the problem is that too many who are highly involved in working with
>Braille codes are math-phobic. <grin>
>
>Mike
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
>Kearney
>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:26 AM
>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>
>I agree, Nemeth is vastly better than the weak UEB math code. They are
>correct in retaining it while using UEB for literary works.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>Greg Kearney
>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>On 05/11/2012, at 2:20 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
> > Because its math implementation sucks big-time!
> >
> > Mike Freeman
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger
>devin
> > Prater
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
> > To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> >
> > Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
>purpose
> > of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> >
> >
> >> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB
>for
> >
> >> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't know
> >> either way if this is what they did?
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
> >>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes and
> >>> all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes and
> >>> iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math
>easily
> >>> as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign and
>
> >>> the "ation" sign.
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> >>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
> >>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went on
> >>>>> Saturday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg Kearney
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg Kearney
> >>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia




From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 02:02:53 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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On 11/4/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> It isn't just people who work with Braille codes that are Math
> phobic, it is most of the population!
>
> Dave
>
>
> At 05:16 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>IMO the problem is that too many who are highly involved in working with
>>Braille codes are math-phobic. <grin>
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
>>Kearney
>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:26 AM
>>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>
>>I agree, Nemeth is vastly better than the weak UEB math code. They are
>>correct in retaining it while using UEB for literary works.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>Greg Kearney
>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>>
>>On 05/11/2012, at 2:20 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Because its math implementation sucks big-time!
>> >
>> > Mike Freeman
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roger
>>devin
>> > Prater
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:33 AM
>> > To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> >
>> > Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
>>purpose
>> > of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> >
>> >
>> >> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use UEB
>>for
>> >
>> >> literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and Science.  Don't
>> >> know
>> >> either way if this is what they did?
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>> >>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath codes
>> >>> and
>> >>> all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about braille notes
>> >>> and
>> >>> iPods and things like that, that in US braille I could not do math
>>easily
>> >>> as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm going to miss the "to" sign
>> >>> and
>>
>> >>> the "ation" sign.
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no
>> >>>> details.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>> >>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. went
>> >>>>> on
>> >>>>> Saturday.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Greg Kearney
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Greg Kearney
>> >>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>
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From MoranJ at wawm.k12.wi.us  Mon Nov  5 02:58:18 2012
From: MoranJ at wawm.k12.wi.us (Moran, Jane)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:58:18 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
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I'm trying to find somewhere that lists the changes (additions and drops) as it stands right now. 

Jane Moran
Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired, 
West Allis- West Milwaukee School District
414 604 4000 x1119



-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk on behalf of David Andrews
Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 12:09 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
 
It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that 
UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.

Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!

David Andrews, Moderator

At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire 
>purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>
>
>>Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use 
>>UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and 
>>Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath 
>>>codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about 
>>>braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I 
>>>could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm 
>>>going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. 
>>>>>went on Saturday.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>>Association for the Blind of Western Australia


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From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 03:24:04 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:24:04 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <0B047242C2686D49A3C54A1BFAA15AF50A853809@svrxch1.wawm.k12.wi.us>
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Here is a link to a UEB chart: http://www.duxburysystems.com/images/ueb_black.pdf

Contractions removed are: BLE, COM, dd, ALLY, o'c, to, by, INOT, ATION
Sequencing discontinued: AND, FOR, OF, THE, WITH, a, to, INto, by

The Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative www.cbtbc.org will have some resources as does the Braille Authority of Western Australia www.braillewa.org


Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights

On 05/11/2012, at 10:58 AM, "Moran, Jane" <MoranJ at wawm.k12.wi.us> wrote:

> I'm trying to find somewhere that lists the changes (additions and drops) as it stands right now. 
> 
> Jane Moran
> Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired, 
> West Allis- West Milwaukee School District
> 414 604 4000 x1119
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk on behalf of David Andrews
> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 12:09 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that 
> UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.
> 
> Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!
> 
> David Andrews, Moderator
> 
> At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire 
>> purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> 
>> 
>>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use 
>>> UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and 
>>> Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath 
>>>> codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about 
>>>> braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I 
>>>> could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm 
>>>> going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. 
>>>>>> went on Saturday.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 
> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Nov  5 04:07:03 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:07:03 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <31F546DC-4F24-4713-AF63-3735948AF4A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000010245184@mailback4.g2host.com>

Here is the text of today's BANA press release on this:

Press Release
November 2012

For Immediate Release
________________________________
CONTACT: Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair

Braille Authority of North America
Phone: 412-521-5797
Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com<mailto:literacy2 at mindspring.com>

BANA Adopts Unified English Braille (UEB) for United States

On November 2, 2012, the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) set a new course for the future of braille in the United States (U.S.) when it adopted 
Unified English Braille (UEB). The motion, which passed decisively, specifies that UEB will eventually replace the current English Braille American Edition 
and that the U.S. will retain the Nemeth Code for Mathematics and Science Notation.

The transition to UEB will not be immediate and will follow a carefully crafted timeline. Implementation plans will be formulated with the input and 
participation of stakeholders from the consumer, education, rehabilitation, transcription, and production communities. Plans will take into consideration the 
various aspects of creating, teaching, learning, and using braille in a wide variety of settings. The plans will be designed to provide workable transitions for 
all involved in braille use and production and to minimize disruption for current braille readers.

UEB is based on the current literary braille code and was developed with input from many people, primarily braille readers, who worked to achieve an 
optimal balance among many key factors. Those factors include keeping the general-purpose literary code as its base, allowing the addition of new 
symbols, providing flexibility for change as print changes, reducing the complexity of rules, and allowing greater accuracy in back translation.



Letters and numbers will stay the same as they are in the current literary code. There will be some changes to punctuation, but most will remain the same. 
Some rules for the use of contractions will change. Nine contractions will be eliminated, and some contractions will be used more often. A FAQ providing 
more detail about changes is available on the BANA website.

After implementation, the official braille codes for the United States will be Unified English Braille; Nemeth Code for Mathematics and Science Notation, 
1972 Revision and published updates; Music Braille Code, 1997; and The IPA Braille Code, 2008.

More detailed information about UEB and the motion that BANA passed can be found on the BANA website at www.brailleauthority.org
<http://www.brailleauthority.org/>.


The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from fifteen member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, and consumers.

The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or 
tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the use, teaching, and production of braille. It publishes rules, interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to 
braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. 
In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by 
various methods; and acceptability to readers.


		On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:24:04 +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:

>Here is a link to a UEB chart: http://www.duxburysystems.com/images/ueb_black.pdf

>Contractions removed are: BLE, COM, dd, ALLY, o'c, to, by, INOT, ATION
>Sequencing discontinued: AND, FOR, OF, THE, WITH, a, to, INto, by

>The Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative www.cbtbc.org will have some resources as does the Braille Authority of Western Australia 
www.braillewa.org


>Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>Email: gkearney at gmail.com

>Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and 
impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
>Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights

>On 05/11/2012, at 10:58 AM, "Moran, Jane" <MoranJ at wawm.k12.wi.us> wrote:

>> I'm trying to find somewhere that lists the changes (additions and drops) as it stands right now. 
>> 
>> Jane Moran
>> Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired, 
>> West Allis- West Milwaukee School District
>> 414 604 4000 x1119
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk on behalf of David Andrews
>> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 12:09 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>> 
>> It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that 
>> UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.
>> 
>> Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!
>> 
>> David Andrews, Moderator
>> 
>> At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire 
>>> purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use 
>>>> UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and 
>>>> Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath 
>>>>> codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about 
>>>>> braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I 
>>>>> could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm 
>>>>> going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S. 
>>>>>>> went on Saturday.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 
>> 
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From mota1252 at samobile.net  Mon Nov  5 04:29:37 2012
From: mota1252 at samobile.net (Milton Ota)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
Message-ID: a9fcec90-2816-4e2c-a8f5-e99e491d72c9@samobile.net

You can find more information on the Braille Authority of North America 
website at:

http://www.brailleauthority.org/

The site has been updated with information on the UEBC.


Original message:
> I'm trying to find somewhere that lists the changes (additions and 
> drops) as it stands right now.

> Jane Moran
> Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired,
> West Allis- West Milwaukee School District
> 414 604 4000 x1119



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk on behalf of David Andrews
> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 12:09 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote

> It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that
> UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.

> Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!

> David Andrews, Moderator

> At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
>> purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


>>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use
>>> UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and
>>> Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?

>>> Dave

>>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath
>>>> codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about
>>>> braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I
>>>> could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm
>>>> going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote


>>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.

>>>>> Dave

>>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S.
>>>>>> went on Saturday.

>>>>>> Thank you.

>>>>>> Greg Kearney

>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia


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From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 06:13:34 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:13:34 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <50974128.855b320a.40c5.ffffb120SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <50974128.855b320a.40c5.ffffb120SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0F142291-A500-4884-8986-F8F36B173223@gmail.com>

Here is a chart done by the Braille Authority of Western Australia http://www.cbtbc.org/ueb/chart.php it might be of some help.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights

On 05/11/2012, at 12:29 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252 at samobile.net> wrote:

> You can find more information on the Braille Authority of North America website at:
> 
> http://www.brailleauthority.org/
> 
> The site has been updated with information on the UEBC.
> 
> 
> Original message:
>> I'm trying to find somewhere that lists the changes (additions and drops) as it stands right now.
> 
>> Jane Moran
>> Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired,
>> West Allis- West Milwaukee School District
>> 414 604 4000 x1119
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk on behalf of David Andrews
>> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 12:09 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
>> It may partially, but not completely.  There are those who feel that
>> UEB doesn't do as well for Math and Science -- so Nemeth should still be used.
> 
>> Further -- this list probably isn't the best place for this discussion!
> 
>> David Andrews, Moderator
> 
>> At 11:33 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>> Why use UEB for just literary stuff? That defeats the whole, entire
>>> purpose of UEB, to be a Unified English Braille code.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> 
>>>> Well, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.  One proposal was to use
>>>> UEB for literary stuff, and still allow Nemeth for Math and
>>>> Science.  Don't know either way if this is what they did?
> 
>>>> Dave
> 
>>>> At 11:10 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> Oh, this is wonderful! Now I won't have to worry about Nimath
>>>>> codes and all that anymore? That's what I've always hated about
>>>>> braille notes and iPods and things like that, that in US braille I
>>>>> could not do math easily as I could with UEB. But my goodness I'm
>>>>> going to miss the "to" sign and the "ation" sign.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:00 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
> 
> 
>>>>>> I just read on Twitter that BANA voted to adopt UEB, have no details.
> 
>>>>>> Dave
> 
>>>>>> At 03:29 AM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Does anyone know how BANAs vote on the use of UEB in the U.S.
>>>>>>> went on Saturday.
> 
>>>>>>> Thank you.
> 
>>>>>>> Greg Kearney
> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 
> 
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From dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Nov  5 15:02:49 2012
From: dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu (Dan Rossi)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:02:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <auto-000010245184@mailback4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000010245184@mailback4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64-044.1211050959080.19472@acs-unix-01.andrew.cmu.edu>

So, I took a quick look at the BraiileAuthority.org page.  Just want to 
confirm that I am looking at the right information.  I found a document 
that says it is the UEB code but is dated June 17 2010.  Is this the final 
code that we can expect?  With the caveat that the U.S. is adopting the 
literary portion and keeping Nemeth as the mathematical code?


Basically, I am looking for whatever the code is that I can expect to be 
reading in the future in the U.S.

Thanks.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Senior Oracle Database Administrator
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail:	dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:	(412) 268-9081



From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:06:30 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:06:30 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64-044.1211050959080.19472@acs-unix-01.andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <auto-000010245184@mailback4.g2host.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64-044.1211050959080.19472@acs-unix-01.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <A2B6792D-3398-471B-AA92-E115B642EF16@gmail.com>

UEB is governed by the International Council on English Braille the ICEB will have links to the current code. 

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 05/11/2012, at 11:02 PM, Dan Rossi <dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> So, I took a quick look at the BraiileAuthority.org page.  Just want to confirm that I am looking at the right information.  I found a document that says it is the UEB code but is dated June 17 2010.  Is this the final code that we can expect?  With the caveat that the U.S. is adopting the literary portion and keeping Nemeth as the mathematical code?
> 
> 
> Basically, I am looking for whatever the code is that I can expect to be reading in the future in the U.S.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Blue skies.
> Dan Rossi
> Senior Oracle Database Administrator
> Carnegie Mellon University.
> E-Mail:    dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu
> Tel:    (412) 268-9081
> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Nov  5 15:42:05 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] BANA UEB code vote
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64-044.1211050959080.19472@acs-unix-01.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <auto-000009264447@mailback3.g2host.com>

Dan,

Partly, it depends upon what you are looking for.  The basic UEB code has been pretty well stable for a while now, but I believe 
there have been minor revisions since 2010.  However, I would caution anyone against looking at the code definition for any code 
to get a sense of what it will be like.  The UEB code definition is very long, as are the definitions for our current codes, 
Nemeth code, or even NUBS for that matter.  I am fairly certain there will be better summary level documents out soon.  Also keep 
in mind that we are still a long way off from having UEB being an everyday occurrence here as there has to be an implementation 
plan developed and there are still issues to resolve.  One reason I felt that the UEB/Nemeth approach was a pretty good one to 
follow is that most people will be able to read UEB for literary braille without much work.  I think if you give this a few weeks, 
there will probably be additional samples and guidance on this.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:02:49 -0500 (EST), Dan Rossi wrote:

>So, I took a quick look at the BraiileAuthority.org page.  Just want to 
>confirm that I am looking at the right information.  I found a document 
>that says it is the UEB code but is dated June 17 2010.  Is this the final 
>code that we can expect?  With the caveat that the U.S. is adopting the 
>literary portion and keeping Nemeth as the mathematical code?


>Basically, I am looking for whatever the code is that I can expect to be 
>reading in the future in the U.S.

>Thanks.

>-- 
>Blue skies.
>Dan Rossi
>Senior Oracle Database Administrator
>Carnegie Mellon University.
>E-Mail:	dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu
>Tel:	(412) 268-9081

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Nov 10 01:33:21 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:33:21 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
Message-ID: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Hello list members,
>
>BARD will be shut down for maintenance purposes tonight, November 9 
>2012, at 6:00 PM Eastern Standard time. Service will not be 
>available until BARD returns no later than 6:00 AM on November 13 
>2012. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
>
>Best,
>The BARD Support Team




From gkearney at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 01:39:58 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:39:58 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
In-Reply-To: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <F6AF9976-66DA-4D8B-B8E9-A23ECA606DEC@gmail.com>

Gosh that's a long outage. One would think the Bard service would be replicated on other servers around the country so it would not have to go down. 

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 10/11/2012, at 9:33 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

> 
>> 
>> Hello list members,
>> 
>> BARD will be shut down for maintenance purposes tonight, November 9 2012, at 6:00 PM Eastern Standard time. Service will not be available until BARD returns no later than 6:00 AM on November 13 2012. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
>> 
>> Best,
>> The BARD Support Team
> 
> 
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 02:27:51 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:27:51 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
References: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<F6AF9976-66DA-4D8B-B8E9-A23ECA606DEC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cdbeea$fc1917a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Greg and everyone,

    I believe they're integrating BARD and Web Braille this weekend hence 
the outage.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage


Gosh that's a long outage. One would think the Bard service would be 
replicated on other servers around the country so it would not have to go 
down.

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 10/11/2012, at 9:33 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Hello list members,
>>
>> BARD will be shut down for maintenance purposes tonight, November 9 2012, 
>> at 6:00 PM Eastern Standard time. Service will not be available until 
>> BARD returns no later than 6:00 AM on November 13 2012. We apologize for 
>> any inconvenience this may cause.
>>
>> Best,
>> The BARD Support Team
>
>
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From jbar at barcore.com  Sat Nov 10 02:32:23 2012
From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 18:32:23 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
In-Reply-To: <001b01cdbeea$fc1917a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<F6AF9976-66DA-4D8B-B8E9-A23ECA606DEC@gmail.com>
	<001b01cdbeea$fc1917a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <20121110023222.GJ25043@barcore.com>

This is true, but I agree that you'd expect them to have a service
that can be upgraded/maintained without taking the service offline.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 08:27:51PM -0600, Peter Donahue wrote:
> Hello Greg and everyone,
> 
>     I believe they're integrating BARD and Web Braille this weekend hence 
> the outage.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
> 
> 
> Gosh that's a long outage. One would think the Bard service would be 
> replicated on other servers around the country so it would not have to go 
> down.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Greg Kearney
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 
> On 10/11/2012, at 9:33 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >>
> >> Hello list members,
> >>
> >> BARD will be shut down for maintenance purposes tonight, November 9 2012, 
> >> at 6:00 PM Eastern Standard time. Service will not be available until 
> >> BARD returns no later than 6:00 AM on November 13 2012. We apologize for 
> >> any inconvenience this may cause.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> The BARD Support Team
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov 11 03:01:54 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:01:54 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: [BARD-Support] BARD outage
In-Reply-To: <F6AF9976-66DA-4D8B-B8E9-A23ECA606DEC@gmail.com>
References: <auto-000084905502@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<F6AF9976-66DA-4D8B-B8E9-A23ECA606DEC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000085646149@mailfront3.g2host.com>

I believe the outage is primarily due to Library of Congress -- they 
are a small part of a very large system -- I presume it would be too 
expensive to replicate the entire system.  And ... no one will die if 
they can't get books for 3 days.

Dave

At 07:39 PM 11/9/2012, you wrote:
>Gosh that's a long outage. One would think the Bard service would be 
>replicated on other servers around the country so it would not have 
>to go down.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>Greg Kearney
>Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
>On 10/11/2012, at 9:33 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Hello list members,
> >>
> >> BARD will be shut down for maintenance purposes tonight, 
> November 9 2012, at 6:00 PM Eastern Standard time. Service will not 
> be available until BARD returns no later than 6:00 AM on November 
> 13 2012. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> The BARD Support Team




From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:19:53 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:19:53 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] UEB resources
Message-ID: <A572FEBA-C051-4951-AC83-ED258B466793@gmail.com>

I know that this is not about talking book but rather about Braille but given the recent vote at the BANA meeting in LA some here might find the following link to some Unified English Braille code resources useful. 

www.cbtbc.org/ueb  

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia


From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Nov 23 16:25:52 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:25:52 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
Message-ID: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Among other things, NLS is putting the B in 
BARD.  The following information went out today 
-- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.

Dave


Hello, List Members,

We are excited to tell you that a major update to 
BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27. 
Here is what will happen before the update and 
what to expect once the update is complete.

As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up 
to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio 
Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least 
twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on 
Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new 
system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new 
BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish 
list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.

BARD users will receive a message summarizing the 
new materials and features the first five times 
they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.

Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to 
log in with the same email address and password 
you use now. You'll notice the following differences:

Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page 
containing books or magazines, you'll find links 
to both audio and braille titles. These links are 
always at heading 1, so you can easily find the 
book format you want. Audiobooks are always 
listed first. Also, if you only want to see one 
type of book, you can set this up by choosing the 
Account Settings link on the BARD main page and 
then making your choice in the Display Results 
combo box. This page also gives you the option to 
display the site in color or black and white, 
which may help some of you to see it better.

Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file 
contains all the volumes of that book. So to read 
a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy 
that unzipped folder?s contents to a 
braille-aware notetaker or computer with a 
braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.

Braille music scores and audio music instruction 
courses are now on BARD. So are books, both 
braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.

BARD book listings are formatted as they always 
were, except that each book title is now a link. 
If you choose that link, you go to a page with 
several new features. These include:

?	The author?s name is a link that takes you to a 
page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
?	If the book is part of a series, there is a 
Series link that will take you to a page listing 
all the books on BARD in the series. Note that 
this section is still under development, so not 
all books in the series may be listed.
?	If the book is listed under more than one 
subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is 
a link to all the books on BARD with that 
subject. This also means that if you browse by 
subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all 
books with the subject Bestseller.
?	The narrator's name is a link that will take 
you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
?	There is a link that will add the book to a 
wish list. This is handy if you don't want to 
download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
?	There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.

You can now see a list of all the books and 
magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow 
the My Previous Downloads link on the main page. 
The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are 
level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.

For a more detailed description of the changes, visit

https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html

Since these are major changes, you may experience 
some problems with the site at first. If so, 
please be patient and know that NLS is working to 
fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem 
doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your library.

We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.

Sincerely,
The BARD Technical Support Team
NLS BARD Technical Support
e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html




From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 16:53:53 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:53:53 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello everyone,

    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
BARD.  The following information went out today
-- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.

Dave


Hello, List Members,

We are excited to tell you that a major update to
BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
Here is what will happen before the update and
what to expect once the update is complete.

As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.

BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
new materials and features the first five times
they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.

Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to
log in with the same email address and password
you use now. You'll notice the following differences:

Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page
containing books or magazines, you'll find links
to both audio and braille titles. These links are
always at heading 1, so you can easily find the
book format you want. Audiobooks are always
listed first. Also, if you only want to see one
type of book, you can set this up by choosing the
Account Settings link on the BARD main page and
then making your choice in the Display Results
combo box. This page also gives you the option to
display the site in color or black and white,
which may help some of you to see it better.

Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file
contains all the volumes of that book. So to read
a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy
that unzipped folder's contents to a
braille-aware notetaker or computer with a
braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.

Braille music scores and audio music instruction
courses are now on BARD. So are books, both
braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.

BARD book listings are formatted as they always
were, except that each book title is now a link.
If you choose that link, you go to a page with
several new features. These include:

. The author's name is a link that takes you to a
page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
. If the book is part of a series, there is a
Series link that will take you to a page listing
all the books on BARD in the series. Note that
this section is still under development, so not
all books in the series may be listed.
. If the book is listed under more than one
subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is
a link to all the books on BARD with that
subject. This also means that if you browse by
subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all
books with the subject Bestseller.
. The narrator's name is a link that will take
you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
. There is a link that will add the book to a
wish list. This is handy if you don't want to
download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
. There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.

You can now see a list of all the books and
magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow
the My Previous Downloads link on the main page.
The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are
level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.

For a more detailed description of the changes, visit

https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html

Since these are major changes, you may experience
some problems with the site at first. If so,
please be patient and know that NLS is working to
fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem
doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
library.

We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.

Sincerely,
The BARD Technical Support Team
NLS BARD Technical Support
e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html


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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Nov 23 17:53:00 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>

Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> 
> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
> BARD.  The following information went out today
> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Hello, List Members,
> 
> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
> Here is what will happen before the update and
> what to expect once the update is complete.
> 
> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> 
> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
> new materials and features the first five times
> they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.
> 
> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to
> log in with the same email address and password
> you use now. You'll notice the following differences:
> 
> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page
> containing books or magazines, you'll find links
> to both audio and braille titles. These links are
> always at heading 1, so you can easily find the
> book format you want. Audiobooks are always
> listed first. Also, if you only want to see one
> type of book, you can set this up by choosing the
> Account Settings link on the BARD main page and
> then making your choice in the Display Results
> combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> display the site in color or black and white,
> which may help some of you to see it better.
> 
> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file
> contains all the volumes of that book. So to read
> a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy
> that unzipped folder's contents to a
> braille-aware notetaker or computer with a
> braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.
> 
> Braille music scores and audio music instruction
> courses are now on BARD. So are books, both
> braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.
> 
> BARD book listings are formatted as they always
> were, except that each book title is now a link.
> If you choose that link, you go to a page with
> several new features. These include:
> 
> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a
> page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
> . If the book is part of a series, there is a
> Series link that will take you to a page listing
> all the books on BARD in the series. Note that
> this section is still under development, so not
> all books in the series may be listed.
> . If the book is listed under more than one
> subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is
> a link to all the books on BARD with that
> subject. This also means that if you browse by
> subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all
> books with the subject Bestseller.
> . The narrator's name is a link that will take
> you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
> . There is a link that will add the book to a
> wish list. This is handy if you don't want to
> download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> 
> You can now see a list of all the books and
> magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow
> the My Previous Downloads link on the main page.
> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are
> level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.
> 
> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> 
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> 
> Since these are major changes, you may experience
> some problems with the site at first. If so,
> please be patient and know that NLS is working to
> fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem
> doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
> library.
> 
> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The BARD Technical Support Team
> NLS BARD Technical Support
> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pratikp1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 17:56:12 2012
From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:56:12 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
Message-ID: <006e01cdc9a3$d3f5b580$7be12080$@gmail.com>

Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> 
> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
> BARD.  The following information went out today
> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Hello, List Members,
> 
> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
> Here is what will happen before the update and
> what to expect once the update is complete.
> 
> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> 
> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
> new materials and features the first five times
> they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.
> 
> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to
> log in with the same email address and password
> you use now. You'll notice the following differences:
> 
> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page
> containing books or magazines, you'll find links
> to both audio and braille titles. These links are
> always at heading 1, so you can easily find the
> book format you want. Audiobooks are always
> listed first. Also, if you only want to see one
> type of book, you can set this up by choosing the
> Account Settings link on the BARD main page and
> then making your choice in the Display Results
> combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> display the site in color or black and white,
> which may help some of you to see it better.
> 
> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file
> contains all the volumes of that book. So to read
> a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy
> that unzipped folder's contents to a
> braille-aware notetaker or computer with a
> braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.
> 
> Braille music scores and audio music instruction
> courses are now on BARD. So are books, both
> braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.
> 
> BARD book listings are formatted as they always
> were, except that each book title is now a link.
> If you choose that link, you go to a page with
> several new features. These include:
> 
> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a
> page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
> . If the book is part of a series, there is a
> Series link that will take you to a page listing
> all the books on BARD in the series. Note that
> this section is still under development, so not
> all books in the series may be listed.
> . If the book is listed under more than one
> subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is
> a link to all the books on BARD with that
> subject. This also means that if you browse by
> subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all
> books with the subject Bestseller.
> . The narrator's name is a link that will take
> you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
> . There is a link that will add the book to a
> wish list. This is handy if you don't want to
> download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> 
> You can now see a list of all the books and
> magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow
> the My Previous Downloads link on the main page.
> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are
> level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.
> 
> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> 
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> 
> Since these are major changes, you may experience
> some problems with the site at first. If so,
> please be patient and know that NLS is working to
> fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem
> doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
> library.
> 
> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The BARD Technical Support Team
> NLS BARD Technical Support
> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Nov 23 18:52:43 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:52:43 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <006e01cdc9a3$d3f5b580$7be12080$@gmail.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
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True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length limits.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>> 
>> 
>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, List Members,
>> 
>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>> 
>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>> 
>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>> new materials and features the first five t



From pratikp1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 19:01:10 2012
From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <4F2AE775-052B-4528-9F0E-9CAF3F736E06@panix.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
	<006e01cdc9a3$d3f5b580$7be12080$@gmail.com>
	<4F2AE775-052B-4528-9F0E-9CAF3F736E06@panix.com>
Message-ID: <007d01cdc9ac$e768b7d0$b63a2770$@gmail.com>

Only problematic for operating systems that  only support 8.3 file name convention. A part of the book title could be helpful. The current system is not user friendly.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:53 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length limits.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>> 
>> 
>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, List Members,
>> 
>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>> 
>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>> 
>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>> new materials and features the first five t

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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 19:10:25 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:10:25 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com><001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
Message-ID: <001f01cdc9ae$31e4c0a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Mike and everyone,

    Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in 
which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular 
Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this 
for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post PDF 
documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille books. 
The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or 
article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the 
article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a 
user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this 
configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when 
downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to appear 
in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need to 
be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we 
download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded so 
we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in 
the file name. Different strokes ...

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 
> 01234567891.brf,
> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's 
> hoping
> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done 
> so
> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the 
> Donahue's.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
>
> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
> BARD.  The following information went out today
> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Hello, List Members,
>
> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
> Here is what will happen before the update and
> what to expect once the update is complete.
>
> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>
> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
> new materials and features the first five times
> they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.
>
> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to
> log in with the same email address and password
> you use now. You'll notice the following differences:
>
> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page
> containing books or magazines, you'll find links
> to both audio and braille titles. These links are
> always at heading 1, so you can easily find the
> book format you want. Audiobooks are always
> listed first. Also, if you only want to see one
> type of book, you can set this up by choosing the
> Account Settings link on the BARD main page and
> then making your choice in the Display Results
> combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> display the site in color or black and white,
> which may help some of you to see it better.
>
> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file
> contains all the volumes of that book. So to read
> a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy
> that unzipped folder's contents to a
> braille-aware notetaker or computer with a
> braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.
>
> Braille music scores and audio music instruction
> courses are now on BARD. So are books, both
> braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.
>
> BARD book listings are formatted as they always
> were, except that each book title is now a link.
> If you choose that link, you go to a page with
> several new features. These include:
>
> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a
> page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
> . If the book is part of a series, there is a
> Series link that will take you to a page listing
> all the books on BARD in the series. Note that
> this section is still under development, so not
> all books in the series may be listed.
> . If the book is listed under more than one
> subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is
> a link to all the books on BARD with that
> subject. This also means that if you browse by
> subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all
> books with the subject Bestseller.
> . The narrator's name is a link that will take
> you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
> . There is a link that will add the book to a
> wish list. This is handy if you don't want to
> download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
>
> You can now see a list of all the books and
> magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow
> the My Previous Downloads link on the main page.
> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are
> level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.
>
> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
>
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
>
> Since these are major changes, you may experience
> some problems with the site at first. If so,
> please be patient and know that NLS is working to
> fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem
> doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
> library.
>
> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
>
> Sincerely,
> The BARD Technical Support Team
> NLS BARD Technical Support
> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Nov 23 19:23:25 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:23:25 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
	<006e01cdc9a3$d3f5b580$7be12080$@gmail.com>
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I disagree profoundly!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:01, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Only problematic for operating systems that  only support 8.3 file name convention. A part of the book title could be helpful. The current system is not user friendly.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length limits.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>> 
>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>>  This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book 
>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of 
>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 01234567891.brf, 
>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf 
>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an 
>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping 
>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so 
>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
>>> 
>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, List Members,
>>> 
>>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>>> 
>>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>> 
>>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>>> new materials and features the first five t
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Nov 23 19:29:53 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:29:53 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <001f01cdc9ae$31e4c0a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
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	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
	<001f01cdc9ae$31e4c0a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
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Just use those computer skills and rename those files!

BTW, Learning Ally is worse!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:10, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike and everyone,
> 
>    Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in 
> which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular 
> Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this 
> for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post PDF 
> documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille books. 
> The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or 
> article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the 
> article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a 
> user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this 
> configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when 
> downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to appear 
> in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need to 
> be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we 
> download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded so 
> we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> 
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in 
> the file name. Different strokes ...
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 
>> 01234567891.brf,
>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's 
>> hoping
>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done 
>> so
>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the 
>> Donahue's.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Da



From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 19:34:25 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:34:25 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com><001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn><9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com><001f01cdc9ae$31e4c0a0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<FBC6E5A6-F3AA-41D2-8DB5-2BDE4CA8E26C@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cdc9b1$8cb1a860$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Mike and everyone,

    We can rename files but having it done for us is a wonderful 
convenience. As pointed out previously there are others who prefer 
user-friendly filenames and have taken steps to address the issue making the 
process convenient for everyone.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


Just use those computer skills and rename those files!

BTW, Learning Ally is worse!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:10, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
>    Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in
> which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular
> Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this
> for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post 
> PDF
> documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille books.
> The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or
> article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the
> article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a
> user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this
> configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when
> downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to 
> appear
> in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need 
> to
> be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we
> download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded so
> we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>> 01234567891.brf,
>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>> hoping
>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>> so
>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>> Donahue's.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Da

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From braille at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 20:01:03 2012
From: braille at satx.rr.com (Mary Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:01:03 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
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Hello Mike and everyone,

	Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD files would not be any different.

Mary Donahue


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the 
> book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the 
> case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 
> 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read: 
> Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's 
> collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently 
> downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be 
> implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> 
> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following 
> information went out today
> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Hello, List Members,
> 
> We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be 
> released next Tuesday, November 27.
> Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the 
> update is complete.
> 
> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone 
> that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at 
> least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25, 
> while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new 
> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other 
> additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> 
> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and 
> features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday, 
> November 27.
> 
> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same 
> email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following 
> differences:
> 
> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or 
> magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These 
> links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format 
> you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want 
> to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account 
> Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the 
> Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to 
> display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of 
> you to see it better.
> 
> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes 
> of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, 
> copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or 
> computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start 
> reading.
> 
> Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on 
> BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS 
> network libraries.
> 
> BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each 
> book title is now a link.
> If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features. 
> These include:
> 
> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all 
> the books on BARD by that author.
> . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will 
> take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note 
> that this section is still under development, so not all books in the 
> series may be listed.
> . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects 
> are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that 
> subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD, 
> Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing 
> other books read by that narrator.
> . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy 
> if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able 
> to locate it later.
> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> 
> You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have 
> downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the 
> main page.
> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making 
> it easy to find them.
> 
> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> 
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> 
> Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with 
> the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is 
> working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't 
> go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
> library.
> 
> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The BARD Technical Support Team
> NLS BARD Technical Support
> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Nov 24 01:19:39 2012
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:19:39 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <000301cdc9b5$446ead60$cd4c0820$@satx.rr.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
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I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

Hello Mike and everyone,

	Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD files would not be any different.

Mary Donahue


-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the 
> book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the 
> case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 
> 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read: 
> Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's 
> collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently 
> downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be 
> implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> 
> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following 
> information went out today
> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Hello, List Members,
> 
> We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be 
> released next Tuesday, November 27.
> Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the 
> update is complete.
> 
> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone 
> that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at 
> least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25, 
> while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new 
> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other 
> additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> 
> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and 
> features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday, 
> November 27.
> 
> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same 
> email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following 
> differences:
> 
> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or 
> magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These 
> links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format 
> you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want 
> to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account 
> Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the 
> Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to 
> display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of 
> you to see it better.
> 
> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes 
> of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, 
> copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or 
> computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start 
> reading.
> 
> Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on 
> BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS 
> network libraries.
> 
> BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each 
> book title is now a link.
> If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features. 
> These include:
> 
> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all 
> the books on BARD by that author.
> . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will 
> take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note 
> that this section is still under development, so not all books in the 
> series may be listed.
> . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects 
> are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that 
> subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD, 
> Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing 
> other books read by that narrator.
> . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy 
> if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able 
> to locate it later.
> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> 
> You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have 
> downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the 
> main page.
> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making 
> it easy to find them.
> 
> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> 
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> 
> Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with 
> the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is 
> working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't 
> go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
> library.
> 
> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The BARD Technical Support Team
> NLS BARD Technical Support
> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 02:22:39 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:22:39 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Early attempt at a UEB table for NFBtrans
Message-ID: <A466FD26-50E2-4DC4-A448-A9BA85B7742B@gmail.com>

The Braille Authority of Western Australia in cooperation with the Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative has released a early trial version of a Unified English Braille table for the NFBtrans and WinBT braille translating programs.

Information on this and other UEB resource from the Braille Authority of Western Australia in cooperation with the Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative can be found at www.cbtbc.org/ueb/


Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights




From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 09:13:28 2012
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:13:28 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Accessible Format Books from Scribe Publishing Fast
	Tracked for Equal Access
Message-ID: <7880CC93-36D7-41F8-8A84-FAD4F38629FB@gmail.com>

27 November 2012

Accessible Format Books Fast Tracked for Equal Access

On Monday 26 November, the Association for the Blind of WA ? Guide Dogs WA made two books available in accessible alternative formats at the same time as the conventional print version was released to the general public.

Copies of The Last Refugee by Yemen al-Qaeda and America?s War in Arabia by Gregory Johnsen were provided to the Association by Scribe Publications in advance of their official release. This allowed the Association?s Accessible Information Service to fast-track production of alternative formats, which would usually be released many months after the print copy is published.

Through this historic partnership between a publisher and the Association, the simultaneous publishing of these books allows people who are blind or vision impaired, or those who have a print disability, the same access to newly published books as the rest of the community.

?It?s fantastic that we?re able to make these books accessible at the same time as they?re released,? said Chris Whitelock, Director of Information Services. ?This is an important step in our pursuit of equal access to information for people who are blind or vision impaired.?

The books have been produced as DAISY (Digital Accessible Information System) talking books which include a full-text, full-audio version, and digital Braille file version of the books.

The Association is currently converting a further six Scribe books into accessible formats. Scribe Publications will continue to submit books to the Association for conversion to ensure accessibility for people who are blind or vision impaired, or those who have a print disability.

The Association relies on the support of the community to provide life changing services to people who are blind or vision impaired. For more information, visit www.guidedogswa.com.au.

ENDS

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Contact

For more information please contact

Prue Kraft, Public Relations and Bequests Administration Officer, Community Relations Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
Tel: 08 9311 8241 | Email: prue.kraft at guidedogswa.com.au

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Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights


From jbar at barcore.com  Tue Nov 27 22:58:55 2012
From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:58:55 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <00af01cdc9e1$c6ee8f40$54cbadc0$@panix.com>
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com>
	<000301cdc9b5$446ead60$cd4c0820$@satx.rr.com>
	<00af01cdc9e1$c6ee8f40$54cbadc0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20121127225854.GD26170@barcore.com>

So, the bard site is back up.  However, I'm curious if anyone has
successfully downloaded and unzipped a book?

I've downloaded two books several times and they both are invalid zip
files.

I plan to let NLS know, but I was curious if this is a systemic
problem.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19:39PM -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Donahue
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> Hello Mike and everyone,
> 
> 	Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD files would not be any different.
> 
> Mary Donahue
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> 
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in the file name. Different strokes ...
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> >    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the 
> > book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the 
> > case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of 
> > 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read: 
> > Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's 
> > collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently 
> > downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be 
> > implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> > 
> > Peter Donahue
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> > 
> > 
> > Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following 
> > information went out today
> > -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > 
> > Hello, List Members,
> > 
> > We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be 
> > released next Tuesday, November 27.
> > Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the 
> > update is complete.
> > 
> > As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone 
> > that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at 
> > least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25, 
> > while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new 
> > BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other 
> > additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> > 
> > BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and 
> > features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday, 
> > November 27.
> > 
> > Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same 
> > email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following 
> > differences:
> > 
> > Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or 
> > magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These 
> > links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format 
> > you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want 
> > to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account 
> > Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the 
> > Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to 
> > display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of 
> > you to see it better.
> > 
> > Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes 
> > of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, 
> > copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or 
> > computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start 
> > reading.
> > 
> > Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on 
> > BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS 
> > network libraries.
> > 
> > BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each 
> > book title is now a link.
> > If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features. 
> > These include:
> > 
> > . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all 
> > the books on BARD by that author.
> > . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will 
> > take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note 
> > that this section is still under development, so not all books in the 
> > series may be listed.
> > . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects 
> > are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that 
> > subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD, 
> > Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> > . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing 
> > other books read by that narrator.
> > . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy 
> > if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able 
> > to locate it later.
> > . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> > 
> > You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have 
> > downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the 
> > main page.
> > The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making 
> > it easy to find them.
> > 
> > For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> > 
> > https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> > 
> > Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with 
> > the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is 
> > working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't 
> > go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your 
> > library.
> > 
> > We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > The BARD Technical Support Team
> > NLS BARD Technical Support
> > e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> > Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> > 
> > 
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From gabias at telus.net  Wed Nov 28 00:55:25 2012
From: gabias at telus.net (Mary Ellen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:55:25 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] new BARD
Message-ID: <EE1B68713F954022A2D00F5DF54C8668@bytz6cfd11aa06>

The structure of the new BARD site will make it much easier to find NLS
materials.  It's superior to the "Search the Catalog" feature on the NLS
home page, particularly where Braille is concerned.
 
Like all new programs, this one has bugs that need fixing.  I'm sure NLS is
receiving quite a flood of e-mails from people with suggestions.  Problems
notwithstanding, NLS has done a fine job.  It's great to have Braille as the
B in BARD.


From jbar at barcore.com  Wed Nov 28 00:59:33 2012
From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:59:33 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] new BARD
In-Reply-To: <EE1B68713F954022A2D00F5DF54C8668@bytz6cfd11aa06>
References: <EE1B68713F954022A2D00F5DF54C8668@bytz6cfd11aa06>
Message-ID: <20121128005932.GO25560@barcore.com>

I agree that the new site will be great once it's working.

As a engineer, however, I tend to define "a fine job" as one
where the released product actually works.

Since no books can be downloaded at the moment, I'm afraid the bard folks are failing this test.

Jim

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:55:25PM -0800, Mary Ellen wrote:
> The structure of the new BARD site will make it much easier to find NLS
> materials.  It's superior to the "Search the Catalog" feature on the NLS
> home page, particularly where Braille is concerned.
>  
> Like all new programs, this one has bugs that need fixing.  I'm sure NLS is
> receiving quite a flood of e-mails from people with suggestions.  Problems
> notwithstanding, NLS has done a fine job.  It's great to have Braille as the
> B in BARD.
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From ivanfeg at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 01:43:27 2012
From: ivanfeg at gmail.com (Ivan Fegundez)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:43:27 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
In-Reply-To: <20121127225854.GD26170@barcore.com>
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	<20121127225854.GD26170@barcore.com>
Message-ID: <BB6AEA1EBF0B47078286D536B98DD607@audioPC>

I've tryed to download a few books, it'll reach about 1 percent of the 
download, then stop.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


So, the bard site is back up.  However, I'm curious if anyone has
successfully downloaded and unzipped a book?

I've downloaded two books several times and they both are invalid zip
files.

I plan to let NLS know, but I was curious if this is a systemic
problem.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19:39PM -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
> Donahue
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
> Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the 
> volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD 
> files would not be any different.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in 
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the
> > book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the
> > case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
> > 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read:
> > Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's
> > collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently
> > downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be
> > implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the 
> > best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> >
> >
> > Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following
> > information went out today
> > -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > Hello, List Members,
> >
> > We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be
> > released next Tuesday, November 27.
> > Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the
> > update is complete.
> >
> > As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone
> > that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at
> > least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25,
> > while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> > BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other
> > additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> >
> > BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and
> > features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday,
> > November 27.
> >
> > Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same
> > email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following
> > differences:
> >
> > Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or
> > magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These
> > links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format
> > you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want
> > to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account
> > Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the
> > Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> > display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of
> > you to see it better.
> >
> > Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes
> > of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder,
> > copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or
> > computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start
> > reading.
> >
> > Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on
> > BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS
> > network libraries.
> >
> > BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each
> > book title is now a link.
> > If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features.
> > These include:
> >
> > . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all
> > the books on BARD by that author.
> > . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will
> > take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note
> > that this section is still under development, so not all books in the
> > series may be listed.
> > . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects
> > are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that
> > subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD,
> > Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> > . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing
> > other books read by that narrator.
> > . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy
> > if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able
> > to locate it later.
> > . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> >
> > You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have
> > downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the
> > main page.
> > The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making
> > it easy to find them.
> >
> > For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> >
> > https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> >
> > Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with
> > the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is
> > working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't
> > go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
> > library.
> >
> > We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > The BARD Technical Support Team
> > NLS BARD Technical Support
> > e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> > Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> >
> >
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From ahighlandpiper at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 02:16:54 2012
From: ahighlandpiper at gmail.com (Alexandria Davis, Professional Bagpiper)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Dtb-talk Digest, Vol 87, Issue 6
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I love the new changes, but when I went to change my email address I
got locked out and can no longer log in because when I tried to use my
teporary password it sais it doesn't recognize the new ID. I emailed
support and I am hoping they will get back to me as there are things I
want to read.

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:52:43 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
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> True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length
> limits.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
>> the file name. Different strokes ...
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>>> 01234567891.brf,
>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>>> hoping
>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>>> so
>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>>> Donahue's.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>>
>>>
>>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello, List Members,
>>>
>>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>>>
>>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>>
>>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>>> new materials and features the first five t
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:01:10 -0500
> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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> Only problematic for operating systems that  only support 8.3 file name
> convention. A part of the book title could be helpful. The current system is
> not user friendly.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length
> limits.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
>> the file name. Different strokes ...
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>>> 01234567891.brf,
>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>>> hoping
>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>>> so
>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>>> Donahue's.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>>
>>>
>>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello, List Members,
>>>
>>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>>>
>>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>>
>>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>>> new materials and features the first five t
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:10:25 -0600
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
>     Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in
> which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular
> Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this
> for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post PDF
>
> documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille books.
> The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or
> article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the
> article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a
> user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this
> configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when
> downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to appear
>
> in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need to
>
> be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we
> download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded so
> we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>> 01234567891.brf,
>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>> hoping
>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>> so
>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>> Donahue's.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>>
>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Hello, List Members,
>>
>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>>
>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>
>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>> new materials and features the first five times
>> they log in to BARD after Tuesday, November 27.
>>
>> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to
>> log in with the same email address and password
>> you use now. You'll notice the following differences:
>>
>> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page
>> containing books or magazines, you'll find links
>> to both audio and braille titles. These links are
>> always at heading 1, so you can easily find the
>> book format you want. Audiobooks are always
>> listed first. Also, if you only want to see one
>> type of book, you can set this up by choosing the
>> Account Settings link on the BARD main page and
>> then making your choice in the Display Results
>> combo box. This page also gives you the option to
>> display the site in color or black and white,
>> which may help some of you to see it better.
>>
>> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file
>> contains all the volumes of that book. So to read
>> a braille book, unzip the book to a folder, copy
>> that unzipped folder's contents to a
>> braille-aware notetaker or computer with a
>> braille display, open the volume you want, and start reading.
>>
>> Braille music scores and audio music instruction
>> courses are now on BARD. So are books, both
>> braille and audio, that are produced by NLS network libraries.
>>
>> BARD book listings are formatted as they always
>> were, except that each book title is now a link.
>> If you choose that link, you go to a page with
>> several new features. These include:
>>
>> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a
>> page displaying all the books on BARD by that author.
>> . If the book is part of a series, there is a
>> Series link that will take you to a page listing
>> all the books on BARD in the series. Note that
>> this section is still under development, so not
>> all books in the series may be listed.
>> . If the book is listed under more than one
>> subject, all the subjects are listed, and each is
>> a link to all the books on BARD with that
>> subject. This also means that if you browse by
>> subject on BARD, Bestseller will now include all
>> books with the subject Bestseller.
>> . The narrator's name is a link that will take
>> you to a page listing other books read by that narrator.
>> . There is a link that will add the book to a
>> wish list. This is handy if you don't want to
>> download the book now but would like to be able to locate it later.
>> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
>>
>> You can now see a list of all the books and
>> magazines you have downloaded. To do this, follow
>> the My Previous Downloads link on the main page.
>> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are
>> level 3 headings, making it easy to find them.
>>
>> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
>>
>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
>>
>> Since these are major changes, you may experience
>> some problems with the site at first. If so,
>> please be patient and know that NLS is working to
>> fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem
>> doesn't go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
>> library.
>>
>> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The BARD Technical Support Team
>> NLS BARD Technical Support
>> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
>> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:23:25 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> Message-ID: <82685CAA-5D7C-4E02-9DD3-417AF15A54DB at panix.com>
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> I disagree profoundly!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:01, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Only problematic for operating systems that  only support 8.3 file name
>> convention. A part of the book title could be helpful. The current system
>> is not user friendly.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:53 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>> True enough. But there's the potential of running into file name length
>> limits.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:56, "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing to say that the book number can't be included as well.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>> Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>>
>>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
>>> the file name. Different strokes ...
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>>  This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>>>> 01234567891.brf,
>>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>>>>
>>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>>>>
>>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>>>> hoping
>>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>>>> so
>>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>>>> Donahue's.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in
>>>> BARD.  The following information went out today
>>>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello, List Members,
>>>>
>>>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to
>>>> BARD will be released next Tuesday, November 27.
>>>> Here is what will happen before the update and
>>>> what to expect once the update is complete.
>>>>
>>>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up
>>>> to remind everyone that The Braille and Audio
>>>> Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at least
>>>> twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on
>>>> Sunday, November 25, while we migrate to the new
>>>> system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>>>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish
>>>> list, and other additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>>>
>>>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the
>>>> new materials and features the first five t
>>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:29:53 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> Message-ID: <FBC6E5A6-F3AA-41D2-8DB5-2BDE4CA8E26C at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Just use those computer skills and rename those files!
>
> BTW, Learning Ally is worse!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:10, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mike and everyone,
>>
>>    Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in
>> which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular
>>
>> Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this
>>
>> for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post
>> PDF
>> documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille books.
>>
>> The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or
>> article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the
>> article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a
>> user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this
>> configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when
>> downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to
>> appear
>> in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need
>> to
>> be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we
>> download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded so
>>
>> we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>>
>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
>>
>> the file name. Different strokes ...
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>>> 01234567891.brf,
>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>>> hoping
>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>>>
>>> so
>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>>> Donahue's.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Da
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:34:25 -0600
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> Message-ID: <000b01cdc9b1$8cb1a860$df1fbf48 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
>     We can rename files but having it done for us is a wonderful
> convenience. As pointed out previously there are others who prefer
> user-friendly filenames and have taken steps to address the issue making the
>
> process convenient for everyone.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
>
> Just use those computer skills and rename those files!
>
> BTW, Learning Ally is worse!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:10, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mike and everyone,
>>
>>    Bookshare.org all ready does this. This is not the only situation in
>> which "User-Friendly" file names are desired to the point that particular
>> Web languages such as ColdFusion have components to automatically do this
>> for those who download files from the Internet. There are those who post
>> PDF
>> documents using long filenames such as those of the NLS Web Braille
>> books.
>> The component matches the long filename with the title of the book or
>> article being downloaded and automatically renames the file using the
>> article or book's title giving the person downloading the file a
>> user-friendly filename. Perhaps Web Braille/BARD could make this
>> configurable to allow those that prefer the book files numbered when
>> downloaded that choice and to allow those who want the book title to
>> appear
>> in the filename instead. In both cases the volume number would also need
>> to
>> be included. We enjoy downloading content from NLS but want the files we
>> download to be easier to find and ready for use when they're downloaded
>> so
>> we won't need to host a renaming party each time we download a book.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>>
>> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
>> the file name. Different strokes ...
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>   This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the book
>>> title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the case of
>>> multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>>> 01234567891.brf,
>>> 01234567892.brf the titles could read: Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf
>>> making them easier to find in one's collection. I used ThunderDog as an
>>> example because Mary recently downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's
>>> hoping
>>> this suggestion will be implemented in the future if it hasn't been done
>>> so
>>> all ready. All the best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the
>>> Donahue's.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Da
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:01:03 -0600
> From: "Mary Donahue" <braille at satx.rr.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> Message-ID: <000301cdc9b5$446ead60$cd4c0820$@satx.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
> 	Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the
> volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD
> files would not be any different.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the
>> book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the
>> case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>> 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read:
>> Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's
>> collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently
>> downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be
>> implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the
>> best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>>
>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following
>> information went out today
>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Hello, List Members,
>>
>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be
>> released next Tuesday, November 27.
>> Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the
>> update is complete.
>>
>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone
>> that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at
>> least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25,
>> while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other
>> additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>
>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and
>> features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday,
>> November 27.
>>
>> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same
>> email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following
>> differences:
>>
>> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or
>> magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These
>> links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format
>> you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want
>> to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account
>> Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the
>> Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to
>> display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of
>> you to see it better.
>>
>> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes
>> of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder,
>> copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or
>> computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start
>> reading.
>>
>> Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on
>> BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS
>> network libraries.
>>
>> BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each
>> book title is now a link.
>> If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features.
>> These include:
>>
>> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all
>> the books on BARD by that author.
>> . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will
>> take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note
>> that this section is still under development, so not all books in the
>> series may be listed.
>> . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects
>> are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that
>> subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD,
>> Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
>> . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing
>> other books read by that narrator.
>> . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy
>> if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able
>> to locate it later.
>> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
>>
>> You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have
>> downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the
>> main page.
>> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making
>> it easy to find them.
>>
>> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
>>
>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
>>
>> Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with
>> the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is
>> working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't
>> go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
>> library.
>>
>> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The BARD Technical Support Team
>> NLS BARD Technical Support
>> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
>> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:19:39 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> Message-ID: <00af01cdc9e1$c6ee8f40$54cbadc0$@panix.com>
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> I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Donahue
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
> 	Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the
> volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD
> files would not be any different.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the
>> book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the
>> case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
>> 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read:
>> Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's
>> collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently
>> downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be
>> implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the
>> best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>>
>>
>> Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following
>> information went out today
>> -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Hello, List Members,
>>
>> We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be
>> released next Tuesday, November 27.
>> Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the
>> update is complete.
>>
>> As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone
>> that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at
>> least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25,
>> while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
>> BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other
>> additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
>>
>> BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and
>> features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday,
>> November 27.
>>
>> Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same
>> email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following
>> differences:
>>
>> Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or
>> magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These
>> links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format
>> you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want
>> to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account
>> Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the
>> Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to
>> display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of
>> you to see it better.
>>
>> Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes
>> of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder,
>> copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or
>> computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start
>> reading.
>>
>> Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on
>> BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS
>> network libraries.
>>
>> BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each
>> book title is now a link.
>> If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features.
>> These include:
>>
>> . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all
>> the books on BARD by that author.
>> . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will
>> take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note
>> that this section is still under development, so not all books in the
>> series may be listed.
>> . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects
>> are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that
>> subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD,
>> Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
>> . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing
>> other books read by that narrator.
>> . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy
>> if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able
>> to locate it later.
>> . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
>>
>> You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have
>> downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the
>> main page.
>> The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making
>> it easy to find them.
>>
>> For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
>>
>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
>>
>> Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with
>> the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is
>> working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't
>> go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
>> library.
>>
>> We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The BARD Technical Support Team
>> NLS BARD Technical Support
>> e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
>> Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
>>
>>
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 02:39:57 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
References: <auto-000087326812@mailfront3.g2host.com><001401cdc99b$1f637ce0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn><9874ACA1-EC9E-4D98-AEF1-FC14C214994F@panix.com><000301cdc9b5$446ead60$cd4c0820$@satx.rr.com><00af01cdc9e1$c6ee8f40$54cbadc0$@panix.com>
	<20121127225854.GD26170@barcore.com>
Message-ID: <002c01cdcd11$a80488e0$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good evening everyone,

    We're experiencing the same thing here. I'd like to know what happened 
to sandboxing a Web site under development before the production version is 
launched to troubleshoot problems like this? This is not good.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


So, the bard site is back up.  However, I'm curious if anyone has
successfully downloaded and unzipped a book?

I've downloaded two books several times and they both are invalid zip
files.

I plan to let NLS know, but I was curious if this is a systemic
problem.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19:39PM -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
> Donahue
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
> Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the 
> volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD 
> files would not be any different.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in 
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the
> > book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the
> > case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
> > 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read:
> > Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's
> > collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently
> > downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be
> > implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the 
> > best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> >
> >
> > Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following
> > information went out today
> > -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > Hello, List Members,
> >
> > We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be
> > released next Tuesday, November 27.
> > Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the
> > update is complete.
> >
> > As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone
> > that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at
> > least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25,
> > while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> > BARD?featuring Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other
> > additions?will be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> >
> > BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and
> > features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday,
> > November 27.
> >
> > Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same
> > email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following
> > differences:
> >
> > Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or
> > magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These
> > links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format
> > you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want
> > to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account
> > Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the
> > Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> > display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of
> > you to see it better.
> >
> > Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes
> > of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder,
> > copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or
> > computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start
> > reading.
> >
> > Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on
> > BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS
> > network libraries.
> >
> > BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each
> > book title is now a link.
> > If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features.
> > These include:
> >
> > . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all
> > the books on BARD by that author.
> > . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will
> > take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note
> > that this section is still under development, so not all books in the
> > series may be listed.
> > . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects
> > are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that
> > subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD,
> > Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> > . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing
> > other books read by that narrator.
> > . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy
> > if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able
> > to locate it later.
> > . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> >
> > You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have
> > downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the
> > main page.
> > The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making
> > it easy to find them.
> >
> > For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> >
> > https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> >
> > Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with
> > the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is
> > working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't
> > go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
> > library.
> >
> > We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > The BARD Technical Support Team
> > NLS BARD Technical Support
> > e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> > Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html
> >
> >
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 02:41:29 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:41:29 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] new BARD
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Good evening Jim and everyone,

    Perhaps they forgot what a development server is.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] new BARD


I agree that the new site will be great once it's working.

As a engineer, however, I tend to define "a fine job" as one
where the released product actually works.

Since no books can be downloaded at the moment, I'm afraid the bard folks 
are failing this test.

Jim

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:55:25PM -0800, Mary Ellen wrote:
> The structure of the new BARD site will make it much easier to find NLS
> materials.  It's superior to the "Search the Catalog" feature on the NLS
> home page, particularly where Braille is concerned.
>
> Like all new programs, this one has bugs that need fixing.  I'm sure NLS 
> is
> receiving quite a flood of e-mails from people with suggestions.  Problems
> notwithstanding, NLS has done a fine job.  It's great to have Braille as 
> the
> B in BARD.
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From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us  Wed Nov 28 15:05:28 2012
From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:05:28 +0000
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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I would urge people to not speculate about things when there is a lack of information.  Yes, we all wish for a smoother implementation -- but NLS folks aren't idiots.  There was a test site, which must have worked or they wouldn't have tried to go into production.  Give them the benefit of the doubt.  I am sure they don't like the situation any better than us.  

Sometimes things are beyond our control -- and I am sure they will get it up and working.  In the greater scheme of things this is no big deal!

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:40 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD

Good evening everyone,

    We're experiencing the same thing here. I'd like to know what happened to sandboxing a Web site under development before the production version is launched to troubleshoot problems like this? This is not good.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD


So, the bard site is back up.  However, I'm curious if anyone has
successfully downloaded and unzipped a book?

I've downloaded two books several times and they both are invalid zip
files.

I plan to let NLS know, but I was curious if this is a systemic
problem.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19:39PM -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I think only the Braille files will have this "problem" anyway.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
> Donahue
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:01 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Hello Mike and everyone,
>
> Agreed. I am always renaming files downloaded from Web Braille, and the 
> volume number is always included. I usually delete the book number. BARD 
> files would not be any different.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Freeman
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
>
> Have you forgotten how to rename a file? I rather like the book number in 
> the file name. Different strokes ...
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:53, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >    This is great news. Our only wish for the future is to have the
> > book title used in the filename followed by a volume number in the
> > case of multiple volume books for easier identification. Instead of
> > 01234567891.brf, 01234567892.brf the titles could read:
> > Thunderdog1.brf, Thunderdog2.brf making them easier to find in one's
> > collection. I used ThunderDog as an example because Mary recently
> > downloaded it from Web Braille. Here's hoping this suggestion will be
> > implemented in the future if it hasn't been done so all ready. All the 
> > best for a belated Happy Thanksgiving from the Donahue's.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:25 AM
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
> >
> >
> > Among other things, NLS is putting the B in BARD.  The following
> > information went out today
> > -- the site will change next Tuesday, the 27th of November.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > Hello, List Members,
> >
> > We are excited to tell you that a major update to BARD will be
> > released next Tuesday, November 27.
> > Here is what will happen before the update and what to expect once the
> > update is complete.
> >
> > As you may have noticed, there's a BARD alert up to remind everyone
> > that The Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD) will be down for at
> > least twenty-four hours beginning at midnight on Sunday, November 25,
> > while we migrate to the new system. On Tuesday, November 27, the new
> > BARDfeaturing Web-Braille materials, the wish list, and other
> > additionswill be available at https//nlsbard.loc.gov.
> >
> > BARD users will receive a message summarizing the new materials and
> > features the first five times they log in to BARD after Tuesday,
> > November 27.
> >
> > Once BARD has been updated, you will be able to log in with the same
> > email address and password you use now. You'll notice the following
> > differences:
> >
> > Web-Braille is now part of BARD. On every page containing books or
> > magazines, you'll find links to both audio and braille titles. These
> > links are always at heading 1, so you can easily find the book format
> > you want. Audiobooks are always listed first. Also, if you only want
> > to see one type of book, you can set this up by choosing the Account
> > Settings link on the BARD main page and then making your choice in the
> > Display Results combo box. This page also gives you the option to
> > display the site in color or black and white, which may help some of
> > you to see it better.
> >
> > Braille books are in zip files. Each zip file contains all the volumes
> > of that book. So to read a braille book, unzip the book to a folder,
> > copy that unzipped folder's contents to a braille-aware notetaker or
> > computer with a braille display, open the volume you want, and start
> > reading.
> >
> > Braille music scores and audio music instruction courses are now on
> > BARD. So are books, both braille and audio, that are produced by NLS
> > network libraries.
> >
> > BARD book listings are formatted as they always were, except that each
> > book title is now a link.
> > If you choose that link, you go to a page with several new features.
> > These include:
> >
> > . The author's name is a link that takes you to a page displaying all
> > the books on BARD by that author.
> > . If the book is part of a series, there is a Series link that will
> > take you to a page listing all the books on BARD in the series. Note
> > that this section is still under development, so not all books in the
> > series may be listed.
> > . If the book is listed under more than one subject, all the subjects
> > are listed, and each is a link to all the books on BARD with that
> > subject. This also means that if you browse by subject on BARD,
> > Bestseller will now include all books with the subject Bestseller.
> > . The narrator's name is a link that will take you to a page listing
> > other books read by that narrator.
> > . There is a link that will add the book to a wish list. This is handy
> > if you don't want to download the book now but would like to be able
> > to locate it later.
> > . There are additional details, such as the book's ISBN.
> >
> > You can now see a list of all the books and magazines you have
> > downloaded. To do this, follow the My Previous Downloads link on the
> > main page.
> > The My Wish List link is there, too. Both are level 3 headings, making
> > it easy to find them.
> >
> > For a more detailed description of the changes, visit
> >
> > https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/NewBARDOverview.html
> >
> > Since these are major changes, you may experience some problems with
> > the site at first. If so, please be patient and know that NLS is
> > working to fix problems as quickly as possible. If a problem doesn't
> > go away after a day or two, however, feel free to contact your
> > library.
> >
> > We hope you enjoy this new version of BARD.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > The BARD Technical Support Team
> > NLS BARD Technical Support
> > e-mail: NLSDownload at loc.gov
> > Read the BARD FAQ at: https://nlsbard.loc.gov/NLS/FAQ.html




From dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Nov 28 15:51:03 2012
From: dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu (Dan Rossi)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:51:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
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I work in the IT industry.  We always do development on identical hardware 
and software as our production systems.  In many cases we even have a test 
system in conjunction with a development and production system.

Having said that, we have certainly had issues where after months of 
testing, we go live only to find that our estimates for user actions fell 
short of reality and unexpected performance issues appear with wildly 
unpredictable results.

Also, when we do testing, we have a team of a dozen or so people trying to 
create every possible scenario that a user might encounter.  When we go 
live, we have on the order of 10,000 users creating all kinds of scenarios 
that we never could have expected.

I work on Oracle, one of the top 5 largest I T companies in the world. 
Somehow, they manage to release software with bugs and it is partly my job 
to patch those bugs on a regular basis.

I know it is frustrating to end users who believe that everything should 
just work the first time, and believe that the programmers are a bunch of 
idiots for releasing software that they obviously didn't even test.  But 
that is not the reality of the situation.  I am certain that NLS engineers 
did a lot of testing on this software before releasing it, and they are 
probably franticly trying to figure out just what unexpected bug they hit 
when they went live.

  -- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Senior Oracle Database Administrator
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail:	dr25 at andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:	(412) 268-9081



From jbar at barcore.com  Wed Nov 28 15:59:17 2012
From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:59:17 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Changes to BARD
Message-ID: <1C4BF1E3-6D57-40B1-8C52-C5CADF7FE70F@barcore.com>

Dan,

I could not agree more. I'm pretty sure that they did testing, and when released found  bugs.

What I was objecting to, was the assertion  that the release went fine, when it absolutely did not.

Hoping it gets fixed soon,

Jim

Sent from my iPhone



From jbar at barcore.com  Thu Nov 29 15:34:20 2012
From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:34:20 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] new BARD
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By the way, the site is back up and all of my issues seem to be behind
me.

One thing I did notice is that searches in the main search box do not
seem to bring up magazines.  I am assuming this is by design.

Jim

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:59:32PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote:
> I agree that the new site will be great once it's working.
> 
> As a engineer, however, I tend to define "a fine job" as one
> where the released product actually works.
> 
> Since no books can be downloaded at the moment, I'm afraid the bard folks are failing this test.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:55:25PM -0800, Mary Ellen wrote:
> > The structure of the new BARD site will make it much easier to find NLS
> > materials.  It's superior to the "Search the Catalog" feature on the NLS
> > home page, particularly where Braille is concerned.
> >  
> > Like all new programs, this one has bugs that need fixing.  I'm sure NLS is
> > receiving quite a flood of e-mails from people with suggestions.  Problems
> > notwithstanding, NLS has done a fine job.  It's great to have Braille as the
> > B in BARD.
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