From gkearney at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 05:26:45 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:26:45 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
Message-ID: <A97A3208-C6C9-443A-B0CC-9E0E1CF72297@gmail.com>

VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been  
produced by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can  
be downloaded from the following URL:

http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip

This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book  
with navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers  
supported.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From sarahandfamily at live.com  Thu Sep  3 18:10:24 2009
From: sarahandfamily at live.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:10:24 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
Message-ID: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>

        Hello. I use the victor reader stream to play books from recording for the blind and dyslexic. approximately how long does it take to download a book? where are the zipped  files placed? Thank you. 
    Sarah 


From evans-lynn at comcast.net  Thu Sep  3 19:23:15 2009
From: evans-lynn at comcast.net (Lynn Evans)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B4AAB1A384D44560AF19003310EEBF9F@lynnPC>

Hello Sarah and others that want to back me up on this one:


Sense I haven't advanced to the RFB&D download service as of yet I will use 
NLS BARD service as my example.

How long does it take to download a book? Well that all depends on quite a 
few factors such as; your download speed cable, DSL or heaven forbid dial up 
on a 56 k modem.  Let us hope you are using a cable or DSL service. NLS 
strongly recommends cable or DSL. If you use a dial up I would think we 
would be talking about hours of download time here. It would be quicker than 
getting them from regional library but not much. Wink.

Another factor is the size of the book. We are talking about megabytes here. 
Small magazines may be 57 megabytes books can be in the hundreds of 
megabytes.  I am happy with my Comcast cable service if I get 329 kilobytes 
per second.

If I download a magazine with a listening time of say three hours it may 
take 5 minutes to download the files.

A book say 11 to 15 hours of listening time would take maybe no more than 6 
to 8 minutes to download.

I download the books to my hard drive. They can go into my download folder 
or I did put them on my desktop at one time because they were easier for me 
to get to for unzipping at the time. It is your choice. Where ever you 
decide to put the little darlings, you can unzip the files to the flash 
card.

There is no download manager used when using the BARD site like with the 
RFB&D site.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD


>        Hello. I use the victor reader stream to play books from recording 
> for the blind and dyslexic. approximately how long does it take to 
> download a book? where are the zipped  files placed? Thank you.
>    Sarah
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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Thu Sep  3 21:07:43 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A9FE9CB.7B8E.00BC.1@ngwmail.des.state.mn.us>

These aren't questions we can't answer.  Your download speed depends on
your connection type, and many other variables that we can't know about.
 It also depends on size of book.  
 
As to where download goes, that depends on your computer, where it puts
them -- I believe RFB&D uses some sort of download manager, so don't
know what that does to process either.  If you know a file name, you can
search for it.  If the standard save dialog comes up, you would normally
hit the save button.  If you tab instead of hitting save, there are
controls to choose where the download is saved.  
 
Dave
 
 
 
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax


>>> "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> 9/3/2009 1:10 PM >>>
        Hello. I use the victor reader stream to play books from
recording for the blind and dyslexic. approximately how long does it
take to download a book? where are the zipped  files placed? Thank you.

    Sarah 
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From burke at mso.umt.edu  Thu Sep  3 21:33:50 2009
From: burke at mso.umt.edu (Burke, Dan (DSS))
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:33:50 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>

 Hi Sarah,

NLS books seem to download a little faster for me than do the RFBD
books.  On our University network -- which is admittedly overtaxed this
first week of school -- it took 20 to 30 minutes yesterday to get a
large, very large, introductory anthropology book.

The other factor that slowed it down was that I have only 1 GB of ram in
my computer, so couldn't have more than one file downloaded at time
without crashing my Download Manager.

When you download and install the Download Manager, two folders are
created in your "My Documents" folder.

	RFBD Downloads

	RFBD Media Files

The actual books are found in the RFBD Media Files folder, and all you
have to do is copy them over to the Stream.

Have fun!






Daniel J. Burke
Assistant Director/Coordinator
Disability Services for Students
Emma B. Lommasson 154
The University of Montana
Missoula, MT 59812

www.umt.edu/dss/

406.243.2243 voice/text
406.243.4424 direct line
406.243.5330 fax

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:10 PM
To: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD

        Hello. I use the victor reader stream to play books from
recording for the blind and dyslexic. approximately how long does it
take to download a book? where are the zipped  files placed? Thank you. 
    Sarah 
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 01:34:58 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:34:58 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
	<A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>
Message-ID: <EFEEE3CF-67FD-4799-8A76-9CDC4DD55364@gmail.com>

While we are on the subject I have been writing a Macintosh Download  
manager for RFB&D books as there seems to be no good solution for Mac  
users. Odd given the preference that dyslexics seem to show twords Macs.

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

On 04/09/2009, at 5:33 AM, Burke, Dan (DSS) wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
>
> NLS books seem to download a little faster for me than do the RFBD
> books.  On our University network -- which is admittedly overtaxed  
> this
> first week of school -- it took 20 to 30 minutes yesterday to get a
> large, very large, introductory anthropology book.
>
> The other factor that slowed it down was that I have only 1 GB of  
> ram in
> my computer, so couldn't have more than one file downloaded at time
> without crashing my Download Manager.
>
> When you download and install the Download Manager, two folders are
> created in your "My Documents" folder.
>
> 	RFBD Downloads
>
> 	RFBD Media Files
>
> The actual books are found in the RFBD Media Files folder, and all you
> have to do is copy them over to the Stream.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Daniel J. Burke
> Assistant Director/Coordinator
> Disability Services for Students
> Emma B. Lommasson 154
> The University of Montana
> Missoula, MT 59812
>
> www.umt.edu/dss/
>
> 406.243.2243 voice/text
> 406.243.4424 direct line
> 406.243.5330 fax
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Sarah
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:10 PM
> To: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
>
>        Hello. I use the victor reader stream to play books from
> recording for the blind and dyslexic. approximately how long does it
> take to download a book? where are the zipped  files placed? Thank  
> you.
>    Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Sep  4 02:42:49 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College Students
Message-ID: <auto-000117245687@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>
> From 
> <http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/28/access>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/28/access 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Textbooks for the Disabled
>
>
>
>August 28, 2009
>
>The Association of American Publishers and the University of Georgia 
>this week unveiled an electronic database aimed at making it easier 
>for blind, dyslexic and otherwise impaired college students to get 
>specialized textbooks in time for classes.
>
>The database, called <http://www.accesstext.org/>AccessText, is 
>designed to centralize the process by which electronic versions of 
>textbooks are requested by colleges and supplied by publishers. 
>Experts say it will allow disabled students to get their textbooks 
>more efficiently, help colleges save money and avoid lawsuits, and 
>protect publishers' copyrights.
>
>For students whose disabilities prevent them from using traditional 
>texts, the normally straightforward task of acquiring books for 
>their courses can be tedious and frustrating. Federal law requires 
>that colleges and universities provide disabled students equal 
>access to educational materials, but this is often easier said than 
>done. College officials have to track down and contact the publisher 
>of every textbook that each of its disabled students buys and 
>request an electronic copy. If such a copy exists -- the likelihood 
>shrinks the older the book and the smaller the publisher -- college 
>officials still have to convert the file to a format that can be 
>read by whatever reading aid the student uses. If not, the college 
>has to wait, sometimes weeks, to obtain permission to scan the book 
>and create its own electronic version.
>
>Once a college has an electronic copy, converting to a readable 
>format can be another complex process, says Sean Keegan, associate 
>director of assistive technology at Stanford University. Math and 
>science texts often arrive as scanned pages, and cannot always be 
>easily read by the character-recognition software the university 
>uses to turn them into standard electronic files, Keegan says. "That 
>can take a longer amount of time to process that material internally 
>and turn it around and give that to the student efficiently," he says.
>
>Meanwhile, delays in the process can make it impossible for disabled 
>students to prepare for and participate in classes. "Students need 
>to have a book in time so they can do the assigned reading and study 
>for tests and papers," says Gaeir Dietrich, interim director of 
>high-tech training for the California Community Colleges system. "So 
>if the book doesn't come until the term has been in session for 
>three or four weeks, that puts that student very far behind." Some 
>students have sued colleges over such delays, she says.
>
>AccessText aims to mitigate these woes by streamlining the request 
>and delivery process, says Ed McCoyd, executive director for 
>accessibility affairs at AAP.
>
>"There's a lot of transactional friction taking place currently," 
>says McCoyd. "What AccessText is trying to do is take some of that 
>out of the transaction by having parties agree to streamlined rules up front."
>
>Having colleges submit requests using the AccessText portal should 
>eliminate the need for the publishers to require endless paperwork 
>with each request to protect its copyrights, McCoyd says. Under the 
>system, the copyright protection agreements can be handled once, 
>during registration, and the requester's bona fides can be verified 
>by a log-in.
>
>Currently, colleges that get tired of waiting for publishers to 
>process the paperwork and procure an electronic copy of a text 
>sometimes just scan a text themselves to try to satisfy the needs of 
>disabled students in a timely fashion, says Dietrich.
>
>AccessText is also set up to eliminate the need for different 
>colleges to convert the same text to a readable format once it is 
>acquired. Currently "numerous schools could be doing the exact same 
>thing, converting the same text," says Bruce Hildebrand, executive 
>director for higher education at the publishers' association. Under 
>the new system, "if one school has already spent the time and the 
>money to convert a file to a format, they could advise the 
>AccessText network, which could then make the info available that it 
>was still available in that format, and that school could share it 
>with another school" -- thereby sparing those colleges the time and 
>resources it would have used to convert the file themselves, he says.
>
>Eight major publishing houses paid a total of just under $1 million 
>to develop the AccessText network and maintain it through its beta 
>phase, which will end next July. From then on, it will sustain 
>itself by billing member colleges between $375 and $500 annually, 
>depending on size.
>
>Dietrich notes that community colleges might not benefit from the 
>AccessText network as much as other institutions, since "we have a 
>lot more vocational classes and basic-skills classes, and a lot of 
>those books don't come through those big publishers, they come 
>through specialized publishers," she says. "It doesn't solve that 
>part of the problem for us."
>
>The network includes 92 percent of all college textbook publishers 
>and is recruiting even more, according to AAP officials.



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 18:09:30 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:09:30 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <EFEEE3CF-67FD-4799-8A76-9CDC4DD55364@gmail.com>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
	<A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>
	<EFEEE3CF-67FD-4799-8A76-9CDC4DD55364@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090904180930.GB80562@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Greg,

Are you doing this for the VR Stream or for use on the Mac?  Without 
defeating DRM or some arrangement with RFB&D, playback isn't going to 
happen on a modern Mac.

Of course, defeating the DRM on WMA is easily enough done.  Nobody 
who has code for decrypting AudioPlus has released it, in the hopes 
that RFB&D will adopt a more reasonable solution now that they 
distribute downloadable books, or at least begin to offer solutions 
for a wider range of playback software.

Joseph

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:34:58AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
> While we are on the subject I have been writing a Macintosh Download  
> manager for RFB&D books as there seems to be no good solution for Mac  
> users. Odd given the preference that dyslexics seem to show twords Macs.
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com



From gkearney at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 23:30:13 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:30:13 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <20090904180930.GB80562@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
	<A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>
	<EFEEE3CF-67FD-4799-8A76-9CDC4DD55364@gmail.com>
	<20090904180930.GB80562@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <00342DE8-0A54-4364-B91E-C9011D4F1539@gmail.com>

There are two issues here. One is dowloading the books and the other  
is playback of the books.

I hope to have sofeware to do the downloading ready soon.

As for playback we plan to support playback of rfbd books in Olearia  
as a closed source plugin which they can distribute. They have  
provided the needed information to us to do this.

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

On 05/09/2009, at 2:09 AM, "T. Joseph Carter"  
<carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Are you doing this for the VR Stream or for use on the Mac?  Without  
> defeating DRM or some arrangement with RFB&D, playback isn't going  
> to happen on a modern Mac.
>
> Of course, defeating the DRM on WMA is easily enough done.  Nobody  
> who has code for decrypting AudioPlus has released it, in the hopes  
> that RFB&D will adopt a more reasonable solution now that they  
> distribute downloadable books, or at least begin to offer solutions  
> for a wider range of playback software.
>
> Joseph
>
> -- 
> How many children in America are not taught how to read?
> If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
> Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:34:58AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
>> While we are on the subject I have been writing a Macintosh  
>> Download  manager for RFB&D books as there seems to be no good  
>> solution for Mac  users. Odd given the preference that dyslexics  
>> seem to show twords Macs.
>>
>> Gregory Kearney
>> Manager - Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 02:01:41 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] downloading books from RFBandD
In-Reply-To: <00342DE8-0A54-4364-B91E-C9011D4F1539@gmail.com>
References: <BLU142-DS30F3FFCEA7CD07454D394B7EF0@phx.gbl>
	<A7D8DAF94B19E448AD667956D846F25701418177@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu>
	<EFEEE3CF-67FD-4799-8A76-9CDC4DD55364@gmail.com>
	<20090904180930.GB80562@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<00342DE8-0A54-4364-B91E-C9011D4F1539@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090905020141.GH80562@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Greg,

As long as it gets implemented at some point, I'm happy with the 
result.  A closed source plugin to manage the DRM is fine as far as 
I'm concerned, so long as you can predict how to futureproof your 
plugin ABI a bit so that I don't need a constant stream of new 
plugins at $20 a pop, along with the delays while RFB&D gets 
themselves set up to distribute the new version.

I considered the closed source plugin solution for that kind of thing 
once before, and considered doing it with an interpreted environment 
so that the resulting plugin could be used on multiple architectures 
and OSes without a recompile.  There wasn't much interest at the 
time, though it was years ago now.

Count me willing to beta test when you're ready for it.  =)  I'm 
already a pretty heavy Olearia user.  I have development experience, 
though I left the industry some years ago because I like to sleep at 
regular intervals.  Still, I'm quite comfortable with SCM tools, know 
how to use gdb well enough to get you useful backtrace information, 
and pretty good at testing edge cases.

Joseph

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 07:30:13AM +0800, Greg Kearney wrote:
> There are two issues here. One is dowloading the books and the other is 
> playback of the books.
>
> I hope to have sofeware to do the downloading ready soon.
>
> As for playback we plan to support playback of rfbd books in Olearia as a 
> closed source plugin which they can distribute. They have provided the 
> needed information to us to do this.
>
> Greg
>
> Sent from my iPhone



From jlineback at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep  6 22:01:25 2009
From: jlineback at austin.rr.com (Jeanine Lineback)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY
	format
In-Reply-To: <A97A3208-C6C9-443A-B0CC-9E0E1CF72297@gmail.com>
References: <A97A3208-C6C9-443A-B0CC-9E0E1CF72297@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001ca2f3d$944179f0$bcc46dd0$@rr.com>

Hello.  When I try going to this link I get the message that Internet
Explorer cannot display the web page.  Do you have another URL for this
file? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:27 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth Janes;
macvisionaries at googlegroups.com; macvoiceover
Subject: [Dtb-talk] VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format

VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been  
produced by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can  
be downloaded from the following URL:

http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip

This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book  
with navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers  
supported.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com


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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Wed Sep  9 17:27:00 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Free DAISY Software Player AMIS Now Available
	in	Afrikaans
References: <LYRIS-389-173726-2009.09.09-18.54.05--dandrews#ssb.state.mn.us@mail.daisy.org>
Message-ID: <4AA79F2D.2EDB.00BC.1@ngwmail.des.state.mn.us>

 
 
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax


>>> Varju Luceno <varju.luceno at gmail.com> 9/9/2009 11:53 AM >>>
Dear Members, Friends and Supporters!

The DAISY Consortium is pleased to announce that thanks to the
volunteer efforts of Ina Gericke, 
AMIS is now also available in Afrikaans. You can download it on the
AMIS project page at
http://www.daisy.org/projects/amis/languages.php 

Translated versions of:

AMIS in Chinese - translation created by Stella Wo,
AMIS in Tamil - translation created by Sreeja Pam, 
AMIS in Australian English - translation created by David Vosnacos and
the Association for the Blind 
AMIS in French - translation created by Adel Degaichia

are also available and can be downloaded as standalone language packs
or as a complete AMIS installer.

Thank you all for your efforts!

Varju Luceno


From gkearney at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 05:56:48 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:56:48 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Mac RFBD Downlaoder
Message-ID: <7B6029F9-8210-4EAF-8425-DD97574FF82F@gmail.com>

I have a simple AppleScript Application that will download and combine  
RFBD books. It asks you for the .rfbd file and then download the  
finished book into your existing downloads directory of your home.

If anyone would like to take a look at this let me know and I'll send  
it to you.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Sep 10 23:07:21 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] National Federation of the Blind Endorses Google Books
 Settlement Before Congress
Message-ID: <auto-000116430425@mailfront1.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org


National Federation of the Blind
Endorses Google Books Settlement Before Congress




Urges Justice Department to Support Settlement



Washington, DC (September 10, 2009): The National Federation of the 
Blind, the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people 
and the leading advocate for access by the blind to digital 
information, testified before the House Judiciary Committee today 
that the proposed settlement between Google and authors and 
publishers regarding the Google Books project should be 
approved.  The Google Books settlement will make millions of titles 
available to the blind and other Americans with print disabilities, 
providing more access to the printed word than the blind have had in 
all of human history.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
told the House Judiciary Committee: "The Google settlement is, for 
the blind and many others, the next step in the democratization of 
knowledge.  That process began with the introduction of the printing 
press and then, for the blind, with the invention of Braille.  Now 
technology is available that transcends the traditional limitations 
of both print and Braille, promising to make millions of titles 
available to the blind in Braille or any other format of our 
choice.  The narrow business interests of Google's competitors must 
not be allowed to block Americans who cannot read print from all of 
the opportunities that greater access to written knowledge will make 
available to them.  It is time for the doors of the world's great 
libraries to be opened and welcome to everyone."



The National Federation of the Blind also urged the United States 
Department of Justice, which is reviewing the terms of the 
settlement, to support the agreement.



"The Google Books settlement is a major step forward in advancing the 
civil rights of blind Americans and others who cannot read print 
because it substantially increases our opportunities for education 
and employment," President Maurer said.  "The Justice Department, 
which is tasked with protecting the civil rights of all Americans, 
should respect the agreement of the parties to the settlement and 
allow its access provisions to be fully implemented.  In doing so, 
the government will send a strong message that it values the 
participation of the blind in society and believes that we should 
have access to all of the information to which our sighted friends 
and colleagues have access."



###


From gkearney at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 02:53:27 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:53:27 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] NIV DAISY  Bible
In-Reply-To: <200909110901.n8B91RdJ059080@time.sector14.net>
References: <200909110901.n8B91RdJ059080@time.sector14.net>
Message-ID: <9B24183C-6DFE-4FE2-B087-158806539435@gmail.com>

I have added new rendering of the complete NIV bible twhich can be  
downloaded from: http://www.cucat.org/books/scriptures/

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From JFreeh at nfb.org  Mon Sep 14 16:29:57 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:29:57 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] National Federation of the Blind and Motorola to
 Cooperate on Making Cell Phones Accessible to the Blind
Message-ID: <auto-000118660622@mailfront2.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Jennifer Erickson

Motorola, Inc.

(847) 435-5320

Jennifer.erickson at motorola.com


National Federation of the Blind and Motorola
  to Cooperate on Making Cell Phones Accessible to the Blind



Baltimore, Maryland and Libertyville, Illinois (September 14, 2009): 
The National Federation of the Blind, the nation's oldest and largest 
organization of blind people and the leading advocate for making 
mainstream devices accessible to the blind, and Motorola Inc., a 
leading manufacturer of cell phones and other mobile communications 
devices, announced today that they have entered into a cooperation 
agreement to promote technologies that improve the accessibility of 
cell phones to blind consumers.



Certain future Motorola cell phones will provide verbal readouts of 
information such as the time and date, battery level, signal 
strength, user's phone number, caller ID information for incoming 
calls, missed and received calls, and voice mail alerts.  Blind users 
will also be able to take advantage of verbal readouts and 
voice-command features for ring tone status, inputting and accessing 
contacts, and various other settings.  Motorola expects these cell 
phones to be available in 2010.  The parties have also agreed to work 
together to make additional phones and features accessible to blind users.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "In an age where productivity and success increasingly depend 
on access to mobile technology such as cellular telephones, it is 
critical that blind Americans have equal access to today's cell 
phones through user interfaces that do not require vision.  The 
National Federation of the Blind appreciates Motorola's commitment to 
making the features of its cell phone products accessible to blind 
users without the need for third-party software, and we look forward 
to working together with Motorola to make future improvements to the 
accessibility of telecommunication technology."



###






From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 05:07:31 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:07:31 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader
Message-ID: <05F10F1A-3ABA-448B-9B6C-BCA8C0210D13@gmail.com>

This AppleScript application will ask you to find a .rfbd file and  
will then download that book into your downloads directory in the  
background. You will find your completed book in your downloads  
directory of your home directory. If you have Growl installed you will  
get a notification when the process is completed.

NOTE: This application will quit after it starts the download. The  
Download itself will continue and may take a considerable amount of  
time depending on the title and the speed of your internet connection.

If you find this program useful please consider making a donation to  
the Association for the Blind of Western Australia at the address below:

Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 05:08:28 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:08:28 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader (with link)
Message-ID: <94C3872E-F10F-4935-8159-6E0B99E0D4B5@gmail.com>


http://www.cucat.org/projects/rfbd/index.php

This AppleScript application will ask you to find a .rfbd file and  
will then download that book into your downloads directory in the  
background. You will find your completed book in your downloads  
directory of your home directory. If you have Growl installed you will  
get a notification when the process is completed.

NOTE: This application will quit after it starts the download. The  
Download itself will continue and may take a considerable amount of  
time depending on the title and the speed of your internet connection.

If you find this program useful please consider making a donation to  
the Association for the Blind of Western Australia at the address below:

Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 07:30:54 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:30:54 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] DAISY version of Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol
Message-ID: <DE6CF725-4546-44A3-81E2-52411D38DA71@gmail.com>

We are working on DAISY digital talking book version of Dan Brown's  
The Lost Symbol snould have it don in about a weeks time.

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From gkearney at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 05:57:06 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:57:06 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] RFB&D Downloader for the Mac
Message-ID: <8A8B72FE-94CD-4299-88AA-E6CB169ED6E5@gmail.com>

I have made a few interface improvements in the RFB&D Downloader  
application and have posted it at the project site: http://www.cucat.org/projects/rfbd/index.php

I have added a notice when the process finished and it will also  
bounce the icon in the Dock as well. I had to remove for now the  
background downloading as it was creating interface issue that I will  
have to deal with in a future version.

I have moved some support file to where they should have been in the  
program's file structure.

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From RWest at nfb.org  Fri Sep 18 15:16:22 2009
From: RWest at nfb.org (West,
	Renee)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] =?iso-8859-1?q?NFB-NEWSLINE=AE_Is_Pleased_to_Announce_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?the__Addition_of_Science_News_magazine?=
Message-ID: <auto-000117700346@mailfront1.g2host.com>

NFB-NEWSLINE? has recently added Science News 
magazine to its roster of over 300 
publications.  Published since 1922, this 
award-winning biweekly news magazine is written 
for science professionals and others interested 
in science, medicine, technology and 
physics.  Content provides new development 
updates and discusses their scientific and 
real-life applications.  Articles cover the 
environment, nutrition, agronomy, chemistry, 
research, development policy, mathematics, 
computers, behavioral sciences, astronomy, 
biology, materials science, biomedicine, life 
sciences, physics and technology.  In print, the 
magazine reaches nearly 130,000 subscribers and more than one million readers.



                                                   ***



With a wide variety of publications available for 
free at any time day or night, to anyone who 
cannot read the printed word, NFB-NEWSLINE? is 
the ready and reliable source for information on 
hometown and global events and breaking news 
stories.  Subscribers can access NFB-NEWSLINE? ?s 
roster of publications as well as TV listings via 
any touch-tone phone, over a secure, text-only 
Web site, or by speedy download to a digital 
talking-book player.  For more information about, 
or to sign up for, NFB-NEWSLINE?, please visit 
<http://www.nfbnewsline.org/>www.nfbnewsline.org. 
To read Science News and over 300 other 
publications online or on your digital 
talking-book player, please visit 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org today!


Renee West
Manager, Marketing and Outreach
Sponsored Technology Programs
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
Baltimore MD 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314 ext. 2411
Fax: (410) 659-5129
Websites: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org; 
www.nfbnewsline.org; 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org

There is a Braille literacy crisis in America.
You can be part of the solution.
<https://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&identifier=4000>Buy 
the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar now!



From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Fri Sep 18 18:22:03 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Alternate Media Specialist opening, Minnesota
References: <4AAFBC01.5068.0029.0@ngwmail.des.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <4AB3898A.2EDB.00BC.1@ngwmail.des.state.mn.us>

 
 
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax


>>> Annette Toews 9/15/2009 4:08 PM >>>
All:
 
The Audio Services section of the Communication Center, Minnesota State
Services for the Blind, St. Paul, Minnesota, has an opening for an
alternate media specialist.   This position has been posted and may be
viewed at  https://statejobs.doer.state.mn.us/JobPosting .  The posting
number is  09DEED000187.
 
Please share this with anyone who may be interested.  Thank you!
 
See below for more info.
 
Annette M. Toews
Audio Services Supervisor
Communication Center
State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
Saint Paul, MN 55114-1840
651-642-0424
 
STATE PROG ADMIN INTER , Alternative Formats $ 17.56-$ 25.51 hourly, $
36,665-$ 53,265 annually 
Apply for this job  
 

Date Posted: 09/15/2009 
Closing Date: 10/05/2009 
Hiring Agency: Employment & Econ Development Dept 
Division/Bureau: State Services for the Blind 
Location: St. Paul 
Who May Apply: Open to all qualified job seekers 
Posting Number: 09DEED000187 
Employment Conditions: Permanent, Full-time 
Work Shift: Day Shift 
Days of Work: Monday-Friday , 08:00 AM-04:30 PM 
Travel Required: yes 
Job Grouping: General Administration 
Classified Status: Classified 
 
Job Description: This position provides technical program oversight,
support, training, and research to the Communication Center Audio
Services Section, primarily in the areas of: 1) creating and
coordinating the creation of digital computer structures of material in
accordance with DAISY standards; 2) recruiting, training, providing
support to and coordinating assignments for structuring volunteers; 3)
providing expertise in the use, testing, and development of the custom
digital DAISY recording program at SSB; 4) researching and monitoring
variables influencing the production of e-texts and other alternate
accessible media for Minnesota students in coming years; 5) providing
specialized assistance to colleges and universities accessing textbooks
through assistive technology; and 6) maintaining current knowledge of
accessible technology, activities, trends , and relevant laws. 

There is some traveling to various educational facilities around the
state, as well as possibly attending some in-state and out-of-state
conferences. 
Minimum Qualifications: Please describe your qualifications, experience
and knowledge in the "Job Specific Questions" portion of Resume Builder
in the following areas: Failure to address these areas may result in
your resume not being considered. 

A Bachelor's degree or higher, in liberal arts, education, library
science, engineering, biological science, physical science, natural
science, mathematics, or related fields. 

Knowledge and understanding of textbook formats, structures, and
taxonomy sufficient to create digital DAISY book structures. 

Working knowledge of and experience with computer fundamentals,
database management, and software programs, including word-processing
and spreadsheets. 

Demonstrated strong problem solving skills. Ability to apply principles
of logical thinking to define problems, collect data, test scenarios,
establish facts and draw valid conclusions, and deal with several
abstract variables. 

Demonstrated excellent organizational, time management, and detail
skills. 

Ability to work on computer tasks for extended periods, up to 8 hours.


Demonstrated excellent human relations skills. 

Demonstrated excellent written and oral communication skills to persons
of varied skills, abilities, and intellect. 

Your resume MUST contain sufficient detail of past experiences to
determine qualifications based on the above criteria. Selection of
interviews will be based on assessment of experience/qualifications.

Preferred Qualifications: Knowledge of and experience with a DAISY
software program to produce alternate media for persons with barriers to
accessing printed materials. 

Ability to apply training theories in the development, implementation
and ongoing support of specialized volunteer programs. 

Experience as a volunteer or volunteer coordinator. 

Experience working with persons who are blind, visually-impaired,
physically disabled and/or learning disabled. 

Knowledge and understanding of educational, vocational, and access
technology needs of persons with barriers to accessing printed
materials. 



Selection Process: The selection process is a resume-based,
skill-matching process. Your resume will be entered into a database. The
software program matches your skills with the skills needed to perform
the duties of the position. If your skills match the required skills for
this position, the department may contact you. 

To ensure consideration for this position, once you submit your resume
through Resume Builder, you must apply directly to posting number
09DEED000187 by checking the "Apply for this job" box found near the top
of this announcement.
How to Apply: You are strongly encouraged to submit your resume through
the online Resume Builder at
<https://statejobs.doer.state.mn.us/ResumeBuilder>. You may copy and
paste in your existing resume or let the software create a resume for
you. You may edit your resume later should your contact information or
experience change. The Resume Builder also collects your work preference
information so we can match you with future job openings that meet your
interests. 

Current State Employees: Please note that employment provisions
(including but not limited to seniority and leave accrual) vary among
the three branches of Minnesota State government. When considering a job
with another branch of state government, you are highly encouraged to
explore these differences. For assistance, please direct questions to
both your current and anticipated Human Resources offices. 

If you wish to apply with a paper copy, submit your resume AND a
completed State of Minnesota Employment Application form to: Minnesota
Management & Budget (MMB), 200 Centennial Office Building, 658 Cedar
Street, St. Paul, MN 55155. Be sure to indicate the posting number of
this job on your application. The paper application is available on the
State Employment Web and MMB web sites, at any state agency HR office,
or by calling 651-259-3637. 
Contact for More Information: Sue Zeches, 651/259-7107
/sue.zeches at state.mn.us. 

 


From chand at connect.com.fj  Sun Sep 20 07:17:41 2009
From: chand at connect.com.fj (Rakesh Chand)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:17:41 +1200
Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader (with link)
References: <94C3872E-F10F-4935-8159-6E0B99E0D4B5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <604F8B3076414BA288D2B1FFB4D46D75@yourb8f65c632b>

Hi Gregory,


Just wondering if this programme will work on Windows XP.


thanks for sharing! Have a great afternoon!


Rakesh


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>; "George 
Kerscher" <kerscher at montana.com>; "macvoiceover" 
<macvoiceover at freelists.org>; <macvisionaries at googlegroups.com>; "Ron and 
Jan Gardner" <ronandjan at qwest.net>; <president at benetech.org>; 
<president at nfbutah.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader (with link)


>
> http://www.cucat.org/projects/rfbd/index.php
>
> This AppleScript application will ask you to find a .rfbd file and  will 
> then download that book into your downloads directory in the  background. 
> You will find your completed book in your downloads  directory of your 
> home directory. If you have Growl installed you will  get a notification 
> when the process is completed.
>
> NOTE: This application will quit after it starts the download. The 
> Download itself will continue and may take a considerable amount of  time 
> depending on the title and the speed of your internet connection.
>
> If you find this program useful please consider making a donation to  the 
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia at the address below:
>
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
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From chand at connect.com.fj  Sun Sep 20 07:20:13 2009
From: chand at connect.com.fj (Rakesh Chand)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:20:13 +1200
Subject: [Dtb-talk] DAISY version of Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol
References: <DE6CF725-4546-44A3-81E2-52411D38DA71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C57F61A5973414B844122EB9C3CB7AF@yourb8f65c632b>

Many thanx,


Looking forward, hope it'll work on my PC.


Rakesh


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:30 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] DAISY version of Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol


> We are working on DAISY digital talking book version of Dan Brown's  The 
> Lost Symbol snould have it don in about a weeks time.
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 08:06:00 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:06:00 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader (with link)
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No it is a Macintosh application. Rfbd already sa a windows program  
for this.

Sent from my iPhone

Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 20/09/2009, at 3:17 PM, "Rakesh Chand" <chand at connect.com.fj> wrote:

> Hi Gregory,
>
>
> Just wondering if this programme will work on Windows XP.
>
>
> thanks for sharing! Have a great afternoon!
>
>
> Rakesh
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>;  
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> >; <macvisionaries at googlegroups.com>; "Ron and Jan Gardner" <ronandjan at qwest.net 
> >; <president at benetech.org>; <president at nfbutah.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:08 PM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] MacOS RFB&D Downloader (with link)
>
>
>>
>> http://www.cucat.org/projects/rfbd/index.php
>>
>> This AppleScript application will ask you to find a .rfbd file and   
>> will then download that book into your downloads directory in the   
>> background. You will find your completed book in your downloads   
>> directory of your home directory. If you have Growl installed you  
>> will  get a notification when the process is completed.
>>
>> NOTE: This application will quit after it starts the download. The  
>> Download itself will continue and may take a considerable amount  
>> of  time depending on the title and the speed of your internet  
>> connection.
>>
>> If you find this program useful please consider making a donation  
>> to  the Association for the Blind of Western Australia at the  
>> address below:
>>
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Gregory Kearney
>> Manager - Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>
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From th404 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 24 03:12:27 2009
From: th404 at comcast.net (Tina Hansen)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:12:27 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Tech Demo Recommendations
Message-ID: <25A25D95536A48CFABD3BED21B821F6B@userbafffee1fc>

I am giving some friends a demo of the Victor Reader Stream and the Book Sense next week. I know that these players are incredibly complex, and while I don't want to overwhelm anyone, I want to show these people what these players can do. If any of you have given tech demos, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what I should include and what I can leave out. I have my ideas, but am open to those of others.

Also, if anyone can recommend good content, I'm open to any suggestions. I have a library I can draw on, but am open for suggestions of materials others may have. Any thoughts? Thanks.

From chand at connect.com.fj  Thu Sep 24 08:17:06 2009
From: chand at connect.com.fj (Rakesh Chand)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:17:06 +1200
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Tech Demo Recommendations
References: <25A25D95536A48CFABD3BED21B821F6B@userbafffee1fc>
Message-ID: <8236EEF230D3493490E18A1B97B78843@yourb8f65c632b>

Hey Tina,


Appreciate, the beautiful thought, I'd certainly be waiting to give it a 
shot!


I actually heard about the VIC-Reader & tried it from a friend who was 
visiting from Canada to Fiji!


An awesome product, hope the prize will go down so we all can afford it! 
Suppose, that's something like a sighted person reading on the go!


Once again, many thanx for the offer for the demo! Im more than excited to 
try...


Have a beautiful evening!


Rakesh
From: Fiji, in the Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
To: <Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Tech Demo Recommendations


>I am giving some friends a demo of the Victor Reader Stream and the Book 
>Sense next week. I know that these players are incredibly complex, and 
>while I don't want to overwhelm anyone, I want to show these people what 
>these players can do. If any of you have given tech demos, I'd be 
>interested to hear your thoughts on what I should include and what I can 
>leave out. I have my ideas, but am open to those of others.
>
> Also, if anyone can recommend good content, I'm open to any suggestions. I 
> have a library I can draw on, but am open for suggestions of materials 
> others may have. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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From mary_watkins at wgbh.org  Thu Sep 24 19:13:41 2009
From: mary_watkins at wgbh.org (Mary Watkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] WGBH Releases Guidelines for Describing STEM Images
 Within Digital Talking Books and on Web Sites
Message-ID: <auto-000118655209@mailfront1.g2host.com>

         September 24, 2009

WGBH's National Center for Accessible Media 
Publishes Free Guidelines for Describing STEM 
Images for Use within Digital Talking Books and on Web Sites

Free Webinars Scheduled

A significant amount of Science, Technology, 
Engineering and Math (STEM) information is 
presented visually, from graphs and tables to 
diagrams and math equations. Students and 
professionals in the STEM fields who are blind or 
have low vision must find methods of accessing 
this data. In many cases, they rely on assistants 
to read and describe images in order to stay 
current with content in their fields of study. 
This creates a dependence that is inefficient, 
expensive and time consuming. Access to text 
through electronic files and digital talking 
books (DTBs) has created a great deal of 
independence for these users. NCAM's publication 
of these new guidelines means that presenting 
meaningful information about the images 
accompanying text can be more readily achieved.

"Effective Practices for Description of Science 
Content within Digital Talking Books" is the 
result of a seminal 4-year effort encompassing 
multiple surveys with describers and with 
students and scientists with vision loss to 
research preferred practices for description of 
visual information in textbooks and journals. 
WGBH's Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family National 
Center for Accessible Media (NCAM) undertook this 
research thanks to a grant (# 04535663) from the 
National Science Foundation (NSF).

WGBH worked in close collaboration with the 
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB), and 
together they assembled a broader network of 
researchers and experts including Recording for 
the Blind and Dyslexic, Inc. (RFB&D); the 
American Printing House for the Blind (APH); 
scientist and former NSF program officer Lawrence 
Scadden, and DAISY (Digital Accessible 
Information System) Consortium Secretary General 
George Kerscher. The DAISY Consortium is the 
world-wide network of libraries, publishers and 
service organizations that developed the DTB 
standard. All project partners contributed to the 
DAISY/NISO standard and all partners were among 
the 40 members of the National File Format Panel, 
which produced the National Instructional 
Materials Accessibility Standard (NIMAS).

Chapters of the new guidelines cover description 
of a variety of information types, including bar 
charts, line graphs, Venn diagrams, tables, pie 
charts, flow charts and complex diagrams and 
illustrations. A resource section is also 
included, providing links to many organizations, 
tools and standards which all contribute to 
generating more accessible STEM materials. The 
guidelines are available online at:

<http://ncam.wgbh.org/publications/stemdx/intro.html>http://ncam.wgbh.org/publications/stemdx/intro.html

NCAM staff will provide training for implementing 
these STEM Description Guidelines through free 
webinars. The dates and times for the webinars, 
which last an hour and a half, appear below.  The 
same training is offered at each webinar; you can 
register for the time most convenient for you by 
sending an email to <stemdescription at wgbh.htm>stemdescription at wgbh.org

Wednesday, September 30 at 10:00 a.m. EST
Monday, October 20 at 1:30 p.m. EST
Thursday, December 3 at Noon EST

Additional dates will be offered in 2010. These 
sessions are available at no cost thanks to 
funding from the National Science Foundation (grant # 0833608).

Comment from a recent webinar participant:

"It was an excellent program and very helpful. I 
will be using what I learned to train my students 
to create more accessible image descriptions. Thank you."

Donna M. Kachlic
Disability Support Services Specialist
The University of Texas at Tyler

"Effective Practices for Description of Science 
Content within Digital Talking Books" joins 
several other NCAM publications and tools that 
enable and promote access to media for all users. Among them:

? "Accessible Digital Media: Design Guidelines 
for Electronic Publications, Multimedia and the Web"
? "A Developer's Guide to Creating Talking Menus for Set-top Boxes and DVDs"
? "IMS Guidelines for Developing Accessible Learning Applications"
? MAGpie, the Media Access Generator (free, 
do-it-yourself software for creating captions and descriptions for multimedia)

Links to all these resources are available at 
NCAM's site, <<http://ncam.wgbh.org>http://ncam.wgbh.org>

About NCAM

The Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family National Center 
for Accessible Media at WGBH is a research, 
development and advocacy entity that works to 
make existing and emerging technologies 
accessible to all audiences. NCAM is part of the 
Media Access Group at WGBH, which also includes 
The Caption Center (est. 1972) and Descriptive 
Video Service? (est. 1990). Follow the Media Access Group on Facebook.

About WGBH

WGBH Boston 
<<http://www.wgbh.org>http://www.wgbh.org> is 
America's preeminent public broadcaster, 
producing such celebrated national PBS series as 
Masterpiece, Antiques Roadshow, Frontline, Nova, 
American Experience, Arthur, Curious George and 
more than a dozen other award-winning primetime, 
lifestyle and children's series. WGBH is the 
leading producer of online content for pbs.org-- 
one of the most-visited dot-org sites on the 
Internet-- a major producer for public radio and 
a pioneer in developing educational multimedia 
and new technologies that make media accessible 
for people with disabilities. For its efforts, 
WGBH has been recognized with hundreds of honors, 
including Oscars, Emmys, Peabodys and duPont-Columbia Journalism Awards.

Contact:

Mary Watkins, WGBH
<mary_watkins at wgbh.htm>mary_watkins at wgbh.org
617 300-3700 voice
617 300-2589 TTY
<http://access.wgbh.org>http://access.wgbh.org

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From evans-lynn at comcast.net  Fri Sep 25 00:40:42 2009
From: evans-lynn at comcast.net (Lynn Evans)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Tech Demo Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <25A25D95536A48CFABD3BED21B821F6B@userbafffee1fc>
References: <25A25D95536A48CFABD3BED21B821F6B@userbafffee1fc>
Message-ID: <A0D72162A472451DBC87D6BB25ECB1DA@lynnPC>

Hello Tina:

I would stay away from the physical description and function of each key. 
This info can be included in your demonstration.

Load up each device with the type of files they are capable of handling. 
Then go from file type to file.

NLS DAISY books choose one with a high level of mark up such as a magazine 
will have three levels to demo navigation and bookmark.

MP3 files both music and audio

Text

Recording notes

If you have favorite features be sure and include them .


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
To: <Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Tech Demo Recommendations


>I am giving some friends a demo of the Victor Reader Stream and the Book 
>Sense next week. I know that these players are incredibly complex, and 
>while I don't want to overwhelm anyone, I want to show these people what 
>these players can do. If any of you have given tech demos, I'd be 
>interested to hear your thoughts on what I should include and what I can 
>leave out. I have my ideas, but am open to those of others.
>
> Also, if anyone can recommend good content, I'm open to any suggestions. I 
> have a library I can draw on, but am open for suggestions of materials 
> others may have. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 05:47:24 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:47:24 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
Message-ID: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>

Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely  
Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text  
only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to  
read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.

One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a  
Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text  
only Daisy titles.

I have developed but have never released a program that will read the  
Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which  
can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will  
play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever  
find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com




From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Sep 29 07:38:35 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:38:35 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Google Books settlement Delayed Indefinitely
Message-ID: <auto-000119239260@mailfront1.g2host.com>




September 24, 2009, 6:34 pm

Google Books Settlement Delayed Indefinitely

By

Miguel Helft

As currently written, the controversial settlement between

Google

and groups representing publishers and authors is officially dead. On
Thursday, a federal judge gave the parties time to negotiate a new deal that
would

address some of the many objections filed by various groups.

Judge Denny Chin of the United States District Court for the Southern
District of New York granted a motion to delay an Oct. 7 hearing on the
settlement,

which would pave the way for Google to create an immense digital library and
bookstore. The motion

was filed earlier this week

by the Authors Guild and the Association of American Publishers, the
plaintiffs in the case, and was unopposed by Google, the defendant.

Judge Chin said that it made no sense to hold a hearing on the current
settlement since the parties have indicated that they are negotiating
significant

changes to it.

In

his order

, Judge Chin indicated that he took seriously the long list of objections
that various parties have raised about the agreement.

"The current settlement agreement raises significant issues, as demonstrated
not only by the number of objections, but also by the fact that the
objectors

include countries, states, nonprofit organizations, and prominent authors
and law professors," Judge Chin wrote. "Clearly, fair concerns have been
raised."

But Judge Chin also echoed comments made by the Justice Department last week
that the settlement, if properly revised, could offer great benefits, most

notably, by providing broad access to millions of out-of-print books that
are largely locked up in a small group of university libraries.

"The settlement would offer many benefits to society, as recognized by
supporters of the settlement as well as D.O.J.," he wrote, referring to the

Department of Justice

, which

filed its own brief in the case

last week. "It would appear that if a fair and reasonable settlement can be
struck, the public would benefit."

The first clear signs that the settlement in its current form would be
derailed came late Friday, when the Justice Department raised a number of
legal and

antitrust objections to it. In its brief, the department also said that the
parties

appeared willing to renegotiate many aspects of the agreement

to overcome its opposition

The decision by the plaintiffs to ask for more time represents a stark
reversal from earlier this year. In April, a group of authors and the heirs
of others,

including representatives of the estate of John Steinbeck, first asked the
court to delay the fairness hearing and deadline for filing objections. The

authors asked for a four-month delay, and the parties, eager to have the
agreement approved quickly, reluctantly recommended a two-month delay. Judge
Chin

sided with the authors.

Observers say the delay provided the time necessary for the many critics of
the deal, including the Justice Department, to come forward. The court
received

more than 400 filings, the majority of them raising issues about various
parts of the agreement.

Instead of the scheduled fairness hearing, Judge Chin asked the parties to
convene in court on Oct. 7 for a status conference. The purpose of the
conference

is to "determine how to proceed with the case as expeditiously as possible,
as this case has now been pending for more than four years," he wrote.

The Authors Guild and the Association of American sued Google in 2005 for
copyright infringement over the company's plan to scan books from major
libraries

and make them available online. The parties announced the settlement, which
took two years to negotiate, in October.

The settlement also appears to be facing another

challenge in a French court.




From jrelton at verizon.net  Tue Sep 29 13:47:21 2009
From: jrelton at verizon.net (Joy Relton)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29C74F113EF54A018784D95D2E9A471E@JoyRelton>

Yes, If it won't play on the NLS players it could be very helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:47 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player


Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely  
Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text  
only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to  
read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.

One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a  
Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text  
only Daisy titles.

I have developed but have never released a program that will read the  
Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which  
can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will  
play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever  
find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com


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From rogernews at mydennis.com  Tue Sep 29 18:14:58 2009
From: rogernews at mydennis.com (Roger Dennis)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:14:58 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
References: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015901ca4130$c2e2a770$48a7f650$@com>

It sounds like a great idea. Would it be Apple based or transportable to
Windows? Could it be done in PHP and put on a server? Just some thoughts.

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:47 AM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player

Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely  
Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text  
only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to  
read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.

One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a  
Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text  
only Daisy titles.

I have developed but have never released a program that will read the  
Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which  
can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will  
play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever  
find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com


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From kmcwhort at uwyo.edu  Tue Sep 29 18:54:32 2009
From: kmcwhort at uwyo.edu (Kathleen Flagg McWhorter)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:54:32 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
References: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
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Yes, yes, yes!!!

Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:47 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player

Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely  
Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text  
only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to  
read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.

One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a  
Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text  
only Daisy titles.

I have developed but have never released a program that will read the  
Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which  
can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will  
play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever  
find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com


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From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 23:25:03 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:25:03 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
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	<015901ca4130$c2e2a770$48a7f650$@com>
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The basic program would be in Perl so yes it would run under any  
platform. I would make a MacOS GUI for it others would be free to do  
Windows and Linux versions as needed.

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

On 30/09/2009, at 2:14 AM, Roger Dennis wrote:

> It sounds like a great idea. Would it be Apple based or  
> transportable to
> Windows? Could it be done in PHP and put on a server? Just some  
> thoughts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
>
> Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely
> Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text
> only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to
> read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.
>
> One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a
> Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text
> only Daisy titles.
>
> I have developed but have never released a program that will read the
> Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which
> can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will
> play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever
> find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.
>
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 23:25:44 2009
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:25:44 +0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <1CCEC29A477B664884E64F670F5C13B790B59264@ponyexpress-mb5.uwyo.edu>
References: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
	<1CCEC29A477B664884E64F670F5C13B790B59264@ponyexpress-mb5.uwyo.edu>
Message-ID: <84B87E85-8C38-4159-9DA0-E8003744374E@gmail.com>

I figured you would be interested given how many audio only devices  
you have there in Wyoming.


Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
Email: gkearney at gmail.com

On 30/09/2009, at 2:54 AM, Kathleen Flagg McWhorter wrote:

> Yes, yes, yes!!!
>
> Kathy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:47 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
>
> Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely
> Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text
> only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to
> read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.
>
> One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a
> Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text
> only Daisy titles.
>
> I have developed but have never released a program that will read the
> Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which
> can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will
> play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever
> find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.
>
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
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From chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 23:39:03 2009
From: chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com (mr. |Chikodinaka)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <84B87E85-8C38-4159-9DA0-E8003744374E@gmail.com>
References: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
	<1CCEC29A477B664884E64F670F5C13B790B59264@ponyexpress-mb5.uwyo.edu>
	<84B87E85-8C38-4159-9DA0-E8003744374E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1528def40909291639g60e38289iff3441d5b9a2dec0@mail.gmail.com>

is my name and email address is on the list? my emailaddress and name
on the cartrije and player list standerd or idvanced call ;
301-879-5881 home or Knfb-reader leve a message on
mobile;240-421-7868! And put my name mr. chikodinaka\oguledo
chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com on the list! 4a Dtb.

On 9/29/09, Greg Kearney <gkearney at gmail.com> wrote:
> I figured you would be interested given how many audio only devices
> you have there in Wyoming.
>
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
> On 30/09/2009, at 2:54 AM, Kathleen Flagg McWhorter wrote:
>
>> Yes, yes, yes!!!
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:47 PM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
>>
>> Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely
>> Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text
>> only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to
>> read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.
>>
>> One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a
>> Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text
>> only Daisy titles.
>>
>> I have developed but have never released a program that will read the
>> Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which
>> can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will
>> play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever
>> find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.
>>
>>
>> Gregory Kearney
>> Manager - Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>
>>
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-- 
Mr. Chikodinaka Nickkindidm Oguledo



From evans-lynn at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 17:02:09 2009
From: evans-lynn at comcast.net (Lynn Evans)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:02:09 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
In-Reply-To: <015901ca4130$c2e2a770$48a7f650$@com>
References: <8E35AE19-0E1C-4171-A74E-5098A9F54408@gmail.com>
	<015901ca4130$c2e2a770$48a7f650$@com>
Message-ID: <3B7CC1EE0FFB4AF998DF77484CE51CFD@lynnPC>

Yes with the great sound quality the mew NLS player along with its simple 
operation you will have a winning combination here.


From: "Roger Dennis" <rogernews at mydennis.com>
To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player


> It sounds like a great idea. Would it be Apple based or transportable to
> Windows? Could it be done in PHP and put on a server? Just some thoughts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Bookshare and the NLS player
>
> Here is a thought for the list to talk over. Many of you are likely
> Bookshare member and have read their books. Bookshare produces text
> only Daisy books which are small and fine if you have a player able to
> read them, for example the VictorReader Stream.
>
> One issue that I can foresee in the future is the need to play a
> Bookshare title on an NLS issued player which does not support text
> only Daisy titles.
>
> I have developed but have never released a program that will read the
> Bookshare XML files and transform them into a DTBook XML file which
> can then be rendered as a full text full audio DAISY book which will
> play in the NLS playback device. Is this something anyone would ever
> find useful? Should I even be bothered with it? What say you all.
>
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
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