From gkearney at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:47:11 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:47:11 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Web interface to experimental union catalog
Message-ID: <840D39B5-FB33-4BFC-A151-311B5D883772@gmail.com>

For those of you unfamiliar with z39.50 clients I have added a web  
interface to the experimental union catalogue z39.50 server here:

http://targettest.indexdata.com/full.html?id=Z39.50%3Awww.cucat.org%3A210%2Fusmarc

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org




From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 23 23:53:28 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Server Report
Message-ID: <auto-000072090130@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear NFBNET.ORG users:

I am pleased to be able to tell you that we have successfully gotten 
the new nfbnet.org server to work and switched services over to 
it.  There are still a few things to clean up, but most things are as 
they were previously, or as you would expect them to be with the new software.

We still need to process the message archives to adjust some links, 
which have changed.  Otherwise our mailing lists should function as 
they did before.  This processing may not take place until early next 
week, but otherwise the lists should function normally.

For you web masters, the sites are up and running.  We are going to 
try and sync content once more tonight, to capture the changes that 
some of you made last weekend or earlier this week.  That should 
happen this evening, hopefully.  I will write web masters separately 
with new instructions.

If you have any problems, or find something that doesn't work, please 
contact me at dandrews at visi.com

Once again I thank everybody for your patience.  Because of the 
complexity, the process was somewhat messier then we would have 
liked.  It turns out that there was a bug in the software that IBM 
uses to control the RAID array for our disk drives.  They 
characterized it as a "code issue," but it was a bug if you ask 
me.  Once we got the firmware updated things happened as expected.

Happy computing!

David Andrews,  SysOp and List Owner




From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Sun Oct 26 03:39:22 2008
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:39:22 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Call to IMMEDIATE ACTION by DAISY Members and
	Friends
Message-ID: <auto-000071348529@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The U.S. representatives are as follows:


?TATS-UNIS D?AM?RIQUE/UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

David O. CARSON, Associate Register for Policy 
and International Affairs, United States 
Copyright Office, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.

Michael SHAPIRO, United States Patent and 
Trademark Office, Alexandria, Virginia

Jacqueline MORALES (Ms.), Attorney Advisor, 
United States Patent and Trademark Office, Alexandria, Virginia


 >>> kerscher at montana.com 10/22/2008 3:37 PM >>>
Dear DAISY Members and Friends,

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) will be considering a
copyright treaty proposed by the World Blind Union (WBU) at the WIPO
November 3 Standing Committee Meeting. The treaty, called "WIPO Treaty for
Improved Access for Blind, Visually Impaired and other Reading Disabled
Persons" is available online at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_en.html.>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_en.html. 


We are asking all of you to contact your country's representative who will
be attending the WIPO Standing Committee meeting and advocate in favor of
this draft treaty. We need you to act now, because the meeting will take
place in ten days.

Information and links to supporting documents are provided immediately below
in this email. We also offer some guidance on who to contact in your country
and some assistance finding the right person.

1. On the front page of the DAISY Website under "Recent News" is the link to
an article that provides further detail. It also contains links to the draft
treaty in HTML, DAISY 2.02, and in DAISY 3. DAISY home page:
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Direct link to the news entry:
<http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=458>http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=458

2. The WIPO Standing Committee will be meeting November 3-7, 2008 and the
WBU proposed treaty is the first substantive item on the agenda. The agenda
can be found at:
<http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=108373>http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=108373

3. DAISY Members and Friends should send their email letter in support of
the proposed treaty to the department/minister that is going to represent
their government in the SCCR/WIPO meeting. This information can normally be
found within the department of foreign affairs and education in your
country. If anybody has difficulties finding their SCCR representative we
have provided names of those who attended the last meeting. This can be
found at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/wipo_delegates_sccr16.html#toc17>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/wipo_delegates_sccr16.html#toc17

If you are unable to find the name of the representative in your country at
the link provided above, please contact Judit Rius Sanjuan
[judit.rius at keionline.org] and/or Thiru Balasubramaniam
[thiru at keionline.org].

4. The treaty proposal put forward by the WBU is an extremely important
document which addresses information access on an international level. We
suggest you familiarize yourself with the proposal, and ask that each of you
contact the government representative in your country who will attend the
SCCR/WIPO meeting. Background and talking points are available at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_memo_en.html>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_memo_en.html

Best
George Kerscher, Secretary General, DAISY Consortium


George Kerscher Ph.D.
Access to information is a fundamental human right in our Information Age.
Senior Officer, Accessible Information
Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
<http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
Secretary General, DAISY Consortium
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Co-chair Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C
<http://www.w3c.org/wai>http://www.w3c.org/wai
Board Representative to the International Digital Publishing Forum    (IDPF)
<http://www.idpf.org>http://www.idpf.org
Phone: +1 406/549-4687
Email: kerscher at montana.com





From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 19:08:28 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:08:28 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Olearia first public release (version 0.90b)
Message-ID: <88A45A0A-E226-4D3B-A3A7-1B055F4DC137@gmail.com>

Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh  
computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and DAISY/NISO  
2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will play audio only and  
full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia will support  
text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports VoiceOver. Olearia  
requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.

Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia 
  Source code can be downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org




From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Tue Oct 28 20:40:42 2008
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Dorina Daisy Reader (DDReader) 1.0,
 a new DAISY 3.0  software player
Message-ID: <auto-000072686796@mailfront1.g2host.com>

 >>> Pedro Milliet <pedro at milliet.org> 10/27/2008 1:08 PM >>>
Hi all,

we are very happy to announce the 1.0 version of 
DDReader (for Windows). It is a software 
developed by Dorina Nowill Foundation for the 
Blind from Brazil. It is available in three 
languages: Portuguese, Spanish and English and is free to use and share.
It is the first free Portuguese DAISY 3.0 reader!
DDR is a Firefox add-on, so you must have Firefox to install it.
You can download DDReader from:
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en 
(english page), 
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es 
(en espa?ol)
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br 
(em portugu?s).

It is also available from the Firefox add-on 
site, but it will remain in sandbox till it has 
been reviewed by the Firefox editors.
You will find links to DDReader tutorials in each 
language on the download page. It is also 
included in the add-on (press T for tutorial on any DDR mode).

We have included many functions in this version, 
and we expect to have more coming in the near 
future. We also plan to have Linux and Mac versions soon.

Please, feel free to contact us at 
<mailto:daisy at caracol.com.br>daisy at caracol.com.br 
to any issue related to DDReader. All comments are welcome.

Best Regards,

Pedro Milliet & Eduardo Perez.
DDReader development team.
Funda??o Dorina Nowill para os Cegos.




From gkearney at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 21:09:56 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:09:56 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public release
	(version 0.90b)
In-Reply-To: <178F9F58-F11D-4372-996C-E5761494D9D8@verizon.net>
References: <88A45A0A-E226-4D3B-A3A7-1B055F4DC137@gmail.com>
	<42A0F3E1-B76C-4D42-A12C-85AF6C3E829A@aol.com>
	<178F9F58-F11D-4372-996C-E5761494D9D8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <61EE520A-7EDF-463A-B3BF-C2C0E9BD4E60@gmail.com>

An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software  
based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS refusing  
to approve software players to have access to their encryption.

We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books and  
expect a solution to that soon.

If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their books  
I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org

On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:

> Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does  
> this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would  
> play them on this machine if that were an option.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>
>> Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep  
>> up the good work.
>>
>> Randy
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>
>>> Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh  
>>> computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and DAISY/ 
>>> NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will play audio  
>>> only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia  
>>> will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports  
>>> VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>
>>> Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia 
>>>  Source code can be downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney
>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>> www.cucat.org
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>
>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link  
>>>> below.
>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>
>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the  
>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>
>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link  
>>> below.
>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>
>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the  
>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>
>
>>
>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>
>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link  
>> below.
>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>
>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the  
>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>




From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 28 23:00:05 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public release
 (version 0.90b)
In-Reply-To: <61EE520A-7EDF-463A-B3BF-C2C0E9BD4E60@gmail.com>
References: <88A45A0A-E226-4D3B-A3A7-1B055F4DC137@gmail.com>
	<42A0F3E1-B76C-4D42-A12C-85AF6C3E829A@aol.com>
	<178F9F58-F11D-4372-996C-E5761494D9D8@verizon.net>
	<61EE520A-7EDF-463A-B3BF-C2C0E9BD4E60@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000072708332@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I would urge people not to contact Congress.  They have more 
important things to worry about, like saving the country.  And ... 
they are NLS's books and they can decide how the books should be accessed.

Dave

         At 04:09 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software
>based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS refusing
>to approve software players to have access to their encryption.
>
>We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books and
>expect a solution to that soon.
>
>If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their books
>I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.
>
>Greg Kearney
>Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>www.cucat.org
>
>On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
>
>>Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does
>>this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would
>>play them on this machine if that were an option.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep
>>>up the good work.
>>>
>>>Randy
>>>On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>
>>>>Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh
>>>>computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and 
>>>>DAISY/ NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will play audio
>>>>only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia
>>>>will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports
>>>>VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>>
>>>>Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded from 
>>>>http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia  Source code can be 
>>>>downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>>
>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>>www.cucat.org
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>below.
>>>>>http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>
>>>>>Users can subscribe to this list by sending email 
>>>>>to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>>with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>>Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>
>>>>Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>below.
>>>>http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>
>>>>Users can subscribe to this list by sending email 
>>>>to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>
>>>
>>>Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>
>>>Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>below.
>>>http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>
>>>Users can subscribe to this list by sending email 
>>>to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>
>
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From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 29 00:05:33 2008
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Dorina Daisy Reader (DDReader) 1.0,
	a new DAISY 3.0  software player
References: <auto-000072686796@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <002301c9395a$11b193a0$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good evening everyone,

    I wonder if a similar player will be developed for Internet Explorer 
allowing one to read DTBS from within that browser as one can do with other 
audio and video content?

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David B Andrews (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)" 
<David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us>
To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Fwd: Dorina Daisy Reader (DDReader) 1.0, a new DAISY 3.0 
software player


>>> Pedro Milliet <pedro at milliet.org> 10/27/2008 1:08 PM >>>
Hi all,

we are very happy to announce the 1.0 version of
DDReader (for Windows). It is a software
developed by Dorina Nowill Foundation for the
Blind from Brazil. It is available in three
languages: Portuguese, Spanish and English and is free to use and share.
It is the first free Portuguese DAISY 3.0 reader!
DDR is a Firefox add-on, so you must have Firefox to install it.
You can download DDReader from:
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en
(english page),
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es
(en espa?ol)
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br
(em portugu?s).

It is also available from the Firefox add-on
site, but it will remain in sandbox till it has
been reviewed by the Firefox editors.
You will find links to DDReader tutorials in each
language on the download page. It is also
included in the add-on (press T for tutorial on any DDR mode).

We have included many functions in this version,
and we expect to have more coming in the near
future. We also plan to have Linux and Mac versions soon.

Please, feel free to contact us at
<mailto:daisy at caracol.com.br>daisy at caracol.com.br
to any issue related to DDReader. All comments are welcome.

Best Regards,

Pedro Milliet & Eduardo Perez.
DDReader development team.
Funda??o Dorina Nowill para os Cegos.


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From randy_stegall at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 29 00:08:18 2008
From: randy_stegall at bellsouth.net (Randy Stegall)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:08:18 -0400
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public release
	(version 0.90b)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000072708332@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <88A45A0A-E226-4D3B-A3A7-1B055F4DC137@gmail.com>
	<42A0F3E1-B76C-4D42-A12C-85AF6C3E829A@aol.com>
	<178F9F58-F11D-4372-996C-E5761494D9D8@verizon.net>
	<61EE520A-7EDF-463A-B3BF-C2C0E9BD4E60@gmail.com>
	<auto-000072708332@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <5D2A55D9-B699-4310-B0B5-999373C46831@bellsouth.net>

Why not, Congress oversees NLS, doesn't it?  Isn't that one of the  
things we pay them to do through our taxes?

Randy
On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM, David Andrews wrote:

> I would urge people not to contact Congress.  They have more  
> important things to worry about, like saving the country.  And ...  
> they are NLS's books and they can decide how the books should be  
> accessed.
>
> Dave
>
>        At 04:09 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>> An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software
>> based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS refusing
>> to approve software players to have access to their encryption.
>>
>> We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books and
>> expect a solution to that soon.
>>
>> If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their books
>> I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.
>>
>> Greg Kearney
>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>> www.cucat.org
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does
>>> this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would
>>> play them on this machine if that were an option.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep
>>>> up the good work.
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh
>>>>> computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and  
>>>>> DAISY/ NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will  
>>>>> play audio
>>>>> only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia
>>>>> will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports
>>>>> VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia 
>>>>>   Source code can be downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>>> www.cucat.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>> below.
>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>
>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>
>>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 29 01:11:08 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:11:08 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public release
 (version 0.90b)
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What I said was just my opinion, but it seems to me that this 
specific an issue belongs elsewhere, not in the halls of 
congress.  Now, if you wish to take up a larger issue of copyright, 
or intellectual property, that makes sense.

Dave

At 07:08 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>Why not, Congress oversees NLS, doesn't it?  Isn't that one of the
>things we pay them to do through our taxes?
>
>Randy
>On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>>I would urge people not to contact Congress.  They have more
>>important things to worry about, like saving the country.  And ...
>>they are NLS's books and they can decide how the books should be
>>accessed.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>        At 04:09 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>>>An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software
>>>based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS refusing
>>>to approve software players to have access to their encryption.
>>>
>>>We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books and
>>>expect a solution to that soon.
>>>
>>>If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their books
>>>I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.
>>>
>>>Greg Kearney
>>>Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>www.cucat.org
>>>
>>>On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>>Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does
>>>>this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would
>>>>play them on this machine if that were an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep
>>>>>up the good work.
>>>>>
>>>>>Randy
>>>>>On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh
>>>>>>computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and
>>>>>>DAISY/ NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will
>>>>>>play audio
>>>>>>only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia
>>>>>>will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports
>>>>>>VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded 
>>>>>>from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia   Source code can be 
>>>>>>downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greg Kearney
>>>>>>Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>>>>www.cucat.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>>>http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>below.
>>>>>>>http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 01:46:48 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:46:48 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public release
	(version 0.90b)
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They are not he NLS's books they are the property of the people of the  
United States who paid for them to be produced. An interesting  
question is this, why can not the public get copies of out of  
copyright books recorded by the NLS? For example the works of Mark  
Twain are no longer under copyright what is the justification for  
restricting access to the NLS recordings of such works?

In Western Australia wel are developing a library which has both  
restricted content for the disabled and public out of copyright which  
anyone can access. This approach seems to be unique in the world as  
far as we can tell.

Every citizen of a liberal democracy has a right, and to some degree a  
duty, to communicate their concerns to their elected representatives.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org

On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:

> Why not, Congress oversees NLS, doesn't it?  Isn't that one of the  
> things we pay them to do through our taxes?
>
> Randy
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>> I would urge people not to contact Congress.  They have more  
>> important things to worry about, like saving the country.  And ...  
>> they are NLS's books and they can decide how the books should be  
>> accessed.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>       At 04:09 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>>> An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software
>>> based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS  
>>> refusing
>>> to approve software players to have access to their encryption.
>>>
>>> We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books  
>>> and
>>> expect a solution to that soon.
>>>
>>> If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their  
>>> books
>>> I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney
>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>> www.cucat.org
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does
>>>> this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would
>>>> play them on this machine if that were an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep
>>>>> up the good work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh
>>>>>> computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and  
>>>>>> DAISY/ NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will  
>>>>>> play audio
>>>>>> only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia
>>>>>> will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports
>>>>>> VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded  
>>>>>> from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia  Source code can be  
>>>>>> downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>>>> www.cucat.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to  macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>
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From rforetjr at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 04:00:20 2008
From: rforetjr at comcast.net (Ray Foret jr)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public
	release(version 0.90b)
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References: <88A45A0A-E226-4D3B-A3A7-1B055F4DC137@gmail.com><42A0F3E1-B76C-4D42-A12C-85AF6C3E829A@aol.com><178F9F58-F11D-4372-996C-E5761494D9D8@verizon.net><61EE520A-7EDF-463A-B3BF-C2C0E9BD4E60@gmail.com><auto-000072708332@mailfront1.g2host.com><5D2A55D9-B699-4310-B0B5-999373C46831@bellsouth.net>
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Simple.  You're overlooking the fact that the NLS program was set up for the 
blind; not for sighted people to use.  Here's another fact for you.  These 
books (or rather I should say the talking book versions of them) do belong 
to NLS; which, as you very well know, is an arm of the United states 
Government.  The NlS has a perfect right to protect access to their 
productions.  The public can always use such services as:
www.audible.com
to get their audio books.  I use it myself.  The reason NLS has such a right 
to protect the recordings they produce is that
1.  Most of the books they record are still in copy right.

2.  Even if a book or set of recordings is not held by copy right, there may 
still be restrictions placed on how those recordings are used.

    It is principally the legal question of copy right which gives NLS the 
right to restrict access to the material they produce.  Just because you, or 
I or f(or for that matter anyone else) is a tax paying member of the public, 
that does not give us the right to just take what NLS does and use it for 
hour own purposes.  You need to understand that when the program was set up, 
the copy right laws were not as lenient as they are nowadays as a 
consequence of the copy right act of 1996.  The holders of the copy rights 
to the books gave their permission to NLS (it was then known as "The 
Division for the blind and physically handicapped of the Library of 
Congress" in those days) on the understanding that only the blind would have 
access to and be able to use the books.

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
Phone:
985-360-3375
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To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] [macvoiceover] Re: Olearia first public 
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They are not he NLS's books they are the property of the people of the
United States who paid for them to be produced. An interesting
question is this, why can not the public get copies of out of
copyright books recorded by the NLS? For example the works of Mark
Twain are no longer under copyright what is the justification for
restricting access to the NLS recordings of such works?

In Western Australia wel are developing a library which has both
restricted content for the disabled and public out of copyright which
anyone can access. This approach seems to be unique in the world as
far as we can tell.

Every citizen of a liberal democracy has a right, and to some degree a
duty, to communicate their concerns to their elected representatives.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org

On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:

> Why not, Congress oversees NLS, doesn't it?  Isn't that one of the
> things we pay them to do through our taxes?
>
> Randy
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>> I would urge people not to contact Congress.  They have more
>> important things to worry about, like saving the country.  And ...
>> they are NLS's books and they can decide how the books should be
>> accessed.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>       At 04:09 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote:
>>> An important note: Olearia, and for that matter no other software
>>> based player, can not play NLS books. THis is due to the NLS
>>> refusing
>>> to approve software players to have access to their encryption.
>>>
>>> We are working with RFB&D to be able to ply their encrypted books
>>> and
>>> expect a solution to that soon.
>>>
>>> If you are bothered by the NLS restriction on playback of their
>>> books
>>> I would urge you to contact your representatives in congress.
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney
>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>> www.cucat.org
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which format are the DTBs from the NLS Digital program, and does
>>>> this program play them?  I normally play them on my Icon, but would
>>>> play them on this machine if that were an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Greg.  It plays any of the dtbs I have tried so far.  Keep
>>>>> up the good work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Olearia is a DAISY digital talking book player for the Macintosh
>>>>>> computer platform. Olearia will play DAISY version 2.02 and
>>>>>> DAISY/ NISO 2005 digital talking book. This version 0.90b will
>>>>>> play audio
>>>>>> only and full text full audio books. The final version of Olearia
>>>>>> will support text only DAISY books as well. Olearia supports
>>>>>> VoiceOver. Olearia requires MacOS X version 10.5 or better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olearia is free open source software and  can be downloaded
>>>>>> from http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia  Source code can be
>>>>>> downloaded from: http://code.google.com/p/olearia/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
>>>>>> www.cucat.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to 
>>>>>>> macvoiceover-request at freelists.org
>>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
>>>>>>> Webinterface at http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to 
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>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the
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>>>>>
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 02:57:56 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:57:56 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Olearia beta update
Message-ID: <5EC3C11F-175C-400D-AF90-D4DC4A0890DC@gmail.com>

We have updated Olearia fixing a few issue which have been found  
dealing with remembering where you left off in a book.

We have also done the user guide as a DAISY book and placed it onto  
the project page.

http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/

We are looking for people willing to do localizations of the  
interface. Please contact me if you are interested.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org




From tkaren at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 17:55:34 2008
From: tkaren at san.rr.com (tim karen)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:55:34 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD 
will play the NLS digital download books?  If not, is there any software 
that can?

Thank you.

Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Oct 31 17:53:34 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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No.  NLS is not authorizing any software programs to play there 
books.  You will need a hardware player like the Stream or the 
Icon/Braille Plus, at this time, or the free machine from NLS itself 
coming next year.

Dave

At 12:55 PM 10/31/2008, tim karen wrote:
>Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from 
>RFBD will play the NLS digital download books?  If not, is there any 
>software that can?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
>

David Andrews and white cane Harry.





From hmseverin at clearwire.net  Fri Oct 31 18:28:55 2008
From: hmseverin at clearwire.net (H.Michael Severin)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:28:55 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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There is no computer based software that can play the NLS dtb books, nor
will there ever likely be, according to NLS.


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Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads


Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD 
will play the NLS digital download books?  If not, is there any software 
that can?

Thank you.

Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen

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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Oct 31 19:28:12 2008
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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Nope. NLS has decided as a matter of policy that the encryption algorithm will not be made available for software players due to the danger of "reverse engineering" the books, thus violating the copyright laws.

Mike Freeman

#- Original Message #-
From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: 2008/10/31 18:44:48
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads

>
>
> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD 
> will play the NLS digital download books? If not, is there any software 
> that can?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
> 
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From rforetjr at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 19:56:37 2008
From: rforetjr at comcast.net (Ray Foret jr)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:56:37 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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In a word, no, to both quesstion; and, I doubt  there will ever be either.

Sincerely,
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Cc: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads


Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD
will play the NLS digital download books?  If not, is there any software
that can?

Thank you.

Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen

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From tkaren at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 21:03:16 2008
From: tkaren at san.rr.com (tim karen)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:03:16 -0800
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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But what is to stop the same thing with the hard player? If it has an 
earphone plug, it can do the same.

Tim Karen

Mike Freeman wrote:
> Nope. NLS has decided as a matter of policy that the encryption algorithm will not be made available for software players due to the danger of "reverse engineering" the books, thus violating the copyright laws.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> #- Original Message #-
> From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 2008/10/31 18:44:48
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
>
>   
>> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD 
>> will play the NLS digital download books? If not, is there any software 
>> that can?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
>>
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From gkearney at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 20:53:35 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:53:35 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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The NLS has stated that they will never approve software based readers  
for their books. NLS books are severely encrypted and use a audio  
format that is all but unknown. This is do to the , mistaken in my  
opinion, beliefe that these actions will prevent piracy of the books  
or revers engineering of the decryption and playback.

The only problem with this is that anyone with access to an authorized  
player can make a digital perfect copy to the MP3 or any other format  
with nothing more than a computer and a patch cord. Think that people  
will not have access to player? Think again the current 1/2 speed four  
track players show up all the time on ebay and in thrift stores.  
Grandma dies and people just sell off her stuff including that odd  
thing she used to play her books. The new players will be even more  
prone to this as the sighted will have no idea what it is.

So if you want software based playback of NLS book you should contact  
your congressional  representatives and tell them so.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org

On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:55 AM, tim karen wrote:

> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from  
> RFBD will play the NLS digital download books?  If not, is there any  
> software that can?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
>
> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Oct 31 23:02:03 2008
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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The thinking is that such Rube Goldberg engineering jobs wouldn't be as marketable, not to mention the fact that one would lose abbl the Daisy navigation.


Mike


#- Original Message #-
From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: 2008/10/31 21:22:30
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads

>
>
> But what is to stop the same thing with the hard player? If it has an 
> earphone plug, it can do the same.
> 
> Tim Karen
> 
> Mike Freeman wrote:
> > Nope. NLS has decided as a matter of policy that the encryption algorithm will not be made available for software players due to the danger of "reverse engineering" the books, thus violating the copyright laws.
> >
> > Mike Freeman
> >
> > #- Original Message #-
> > From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
> > To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: 2008/10/31 18:44:48
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
> >
> > 
> >> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from RFBD 
> >> will play the NLS digital download books? If not, is there any software 
> >> that can?
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Fri Oct 31 23:29:24 2008
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Google Settlement with Authors,
 Publishers Will Have Positive  Results for the Blind
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           FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:
Chris Danielsen

Public Relations Specialist

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
(410) 262-1281 (cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org



Google Settlement with Authors, Publishers
Will Have Positive Results for the Blind





Terms of Proposed Settlement Agreement
Will Revolutionize Blind People's Access to Books

Baltimore, Maryland (October 31, 2008): The National Federation of 
the Blind, the nation's leading advocate for access to information by 
the blind, announced today that the recent settlement between Google 
and authors and publishers over the Google Books project, if approved 
by the courts, will have a profound and positive impact on the 
ability of blind people to access the printed word.  The terms of the 
settlement that was reached on October 28, among Google, the Authors 
Guild, and the Association of American Publishers, on behalf of a 
broad class of authors and publishers, allow Google to provide the 
material it offers users "in a manner that accommodates users with 
print disabilities so that such users have a substantially similar 
user experience as users without print disabilities."  A user with a 
print disability under the agreement is one who is "unable to read or 
use standard printed material due to blindness, visual disability, 
physical limitations, organic dysfunction, or dyslexia."  Blind 
people, like other members of the public, will be able to search the 
texts of books in the Google Books database online; purchase some 
books in an accessible format; or access accessible books at 
libraries and other entities that have an institutional subscription 
to the Google Books database.  Once the court approves the 
settlement, Google will work to launch these services as quickly as possible.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "Access to the printed word has historically been one of the 
greatest challenges faced by the blind.  The agreement between Google 
and authors and publishers will revolutionize access to books for 
blind Americans.



Blind people will be able to search for books through the Google 
Books interface and purchase, borrow, or read at a public library any 
of the books that are available to the general public in a format 
that is compatible with text enlargement software, text-to-speech 
screen access software, and refreshable Braille devices.  With 7 
million books already available in the Google Books collection and 
many more to come, this agreement means that blind people will have 
more access to print books than we have ever had in human 
history.  The blind, just like the sighted, will have a world of 
education, information, and entertainment literally at our 
fingertips.  The National Federation of the Blind commends the 
parties to this agreement for their commitment to full and equal 
access to information by the blind."



"Among the most monumental aspects of the settlement agreement," said 
Jack Bernard, assistant general counsel at the University of 
Michigan, "are the terms that enable Google and libraries to make 
works accessible to people who have print disabilities.  This 
unprecedented opportunity to access the printed word will make it 
possible for blind people to engage independently with our rich 
written culture.  Moreover, it is refreshing to find accessibility 
for people with disabilities explicitly included upfront, rather than 
begrudgingly added as an afterthought."



  "One of the great promises of the settlement agreement is improving 
access to books for the blind and for those with print disabilities," 
said Dan Clancy, engineering director for Google Book 
Search.  "Google is committed to extending all of the services 
available under the agreement to the blind and print disability 
community, making it easier to access these books through screen 
enlargement, reader, and Braille display technologies."



###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our 
Web site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.




From gkearney at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 23:58:47 2008
From: gkearney at gmail.com (Greg Kearney)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:58:47 -0600
Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
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A couple of points.

First once you have the recording you would have a perfect digital  
master and every copy you make would itself be perfect. This is not  
like making a tape copy from a tape where quality degrades with each  
copy. Further these player will play be book unattended from start to  
finish. Once you start the recording process you could let it run by  
itself and when your software detect say a minute of silence it can be  
set to stop recording. It's not like tapes where you have to be  
tending it all the time turning the tape over putting in new ones and  
so on.

Second anyone wanting to copy books this way does not care about the  
DAISY navigation because they will be selling them to the general  
public who don't have DAISY playback devices. Anyone who did want the  
DAISY navigation would have a player anyway and legal access to the  
book so there is no market there.

This whole "we will not authorize software playback" is a solution  
looking for a problem. There has never been a serious problem with  
pirated NLS recordings and tape player for those recording have been  
sold to anyone for many years.

A simple DAISY book with the audio file and smil file names randomized  
would keep all but the most determined from gaining access to the book  
and meet the demands of the copyright act.

The NLS has spent untold amount of time and money, which has delayed  
the introduction of digital talking books in the U.S. by a decade, on  
an ineffective digital rights management sceme that can be defeated  
with a $2 patch cord.

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org

On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

> The thinking is that such Rube Goldberg engineering jobs wouldn't be  
> as marketable, not to mention the fact that one would lose abbl the  
> Daisy navigation.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> #- Original Message #-
> From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 2008/10/31 21:22:30
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
>
>>
>>
>> But what is to stop the same thing with the hard player? If it has an
>> earphone plug, it can do the same.
>>
>> Tim Karen
>>
>> Mike Freeman wrote:
>>> Nope. NLS has decided as a matter of policy that the encryption  
>>> algorithm will not be made available for software players due to  
>>> the danger of "reverse engineering" the books, thus violating the  
>>> copyright laws.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>> #- Original Message #-
>>> From: tim karen <tkaren at san.rr.com>
>>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: 2008/10/31 18:44:48
>>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] Listening to DTB Downloads
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you know if the EasyReader Software that can be purchased from  
>>>> RFBD
>>>> will play the NLS digital download books? If not, is there any  
>>>> software
>>>> that can?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Karen for Dorothy Karen
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>>>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
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>>>
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>> ?
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